0:00:06.038,0:00:11.067 My name is Kiran, I am the chair of In Our[br]Own Words 0:00:11.067,0:00:14.999 and a health psychologist by background. 0:00:15.002,0:00:20.809 And I am Rachel and I have recently come[br]on board with In Our Own words and I am 0:00:20.973,0:00:25.243 newly qualified as a clinical psychologist 0:00:25.243,0:00:29.644 It’s nice to meet you all by the way. 0:00:29.644,0:00:34.074 So just to explain what In Our Own Words[br]is. 0:00:34.163,0:00:38.213 It is a wiki essentially, to 0:00:38.222,0:00:49.335 build up a knowledge resource around [br]distress, suffering, pain fatigue, those 0:00:49.355,0:00:56.290 kind of symptoms or experiences people[br]might struggle with from ethnic minorities 0:00:56.474,0:01:03.204 as they may describe them in everyday[br]terms. 0:01:03.254,0:01:08.034 So moving away from clinical disorders 0:01:08.044,0:01:12.504 and moving away from looking at the[br]Western equivalents of anxiety and 0:01:12.536,0:01:18.746 depression, but really looking at how[br]people describe it in an everyday sense 0:01:18.783,0:01:23.223 in order to try and help people to get[br]earlier access to support 0:01:23.223,0:01:26.253 when they need it from psychological[br]services. 0:01:26.406,0:01:30.498 And as part of that we are building a[br]resource section 0:01:30.739,0:01:33.989 for different communities under different 0:01:33.989,0:01:38.919 languages where we link to papers- sorry, 0:01:38.919,0:01:44.039 not papers-research done by different 0:01:44.093,0:01:47.863 researchers, you know, trainee 0:01:47.909,0:01:51.328 psychologists, early career psychologists, 0:01:51.409,0:01:55.869 with ethnic minorities around 0:01:55.869,0:02:02.041 some of their sense-making when they have[br]mental and physical health difficulties, 0:02:02.041,0:02:05.161 particularly work that might not have been 0:02:05.244,0:02:07.424 published before. 0:02:08.841,0:02:12.962 [Rachel] This is often called a preprint 0:02:13.033,0:02:14.693 [Kiran] That's it, yeah 0:02:15.225,0:02:20.595 [Rachel] When I was possibly thinking[br]about publishing my thesis 0:02:20.665,0:02:25.015 so yeah it's basically a term in academic[br]publishing which is like a version of 0:02:25.165,0:02:29.275 your scientific paper that precedes a[br]formal peer review and actually 0:02:29.325,0:02:31.684 it doesn't have to, a formal peer review 0:02:31.684,0:02:34.063 doesn't have to follow on. And you can 0:02:34.115,0:02:39.398 just complete a dissertation[br]or a piece of work, or a even a service 0:02:39.398,0:02:43.236 evaluation for example, and you can- 0:02:43.243,0:02:45.953 there's a number of places you can upload 0:02:45.968,0:02:49.558 them. Yeah and you, and you make 0:02:49.558,0:02:51.527 the pre-print available, how it's 0:02:51.568,0:02:55.911 described [the process]. People can view[br]hat, it's searchable, people can download 0:02:55.911,0:03:01.047 it. And yeah, others go on to publish it. 0:03:02.838,0:03:06.378 Yep. And One of the nice things about it 0:03:06.390,0:03:08.890 is you can actually see how many people 0:03:08.890,0:03:11.649 download your paper and you can create 0:03:11.650,0:03:17.494 citable links of your research paper from 0:03:17.508,0:03:20.938 there. Erm so we'll talk a bit about who 0:03:20.938,0:03:24.552 might actually benefit from this, and talk 0:03:24.552,0:03:27.506 about some of the caveats, like who 0:03:27.506,0:03:31.745 might not be so-who might want to think 0:03:31.763,0:03:34.853 about it before they share their pre- 0:03:34.853,0:03:38.899 prints with us. And so, this is possibly 0:03:38.899,0:03:43.359 going to appeal more to people who train 0:03:43.371,0:03:48.787 and go in to practicing, erm psychology in 0:03:48.787,0:03:52.986 applied settings, clinical settings so for 0:03:52.986,0:03:57.101 example, erm clinical psychologists, 0:03:57.101,0:04:00.441 counselling psychologists and perhaps some 0:04:00.447,0:04:02.997 practitioner health psychologists, you 0:04:02.997,0:04:06.291 know, amongst some others. The 0:04:06.291,0:04:09.078 reason why we say that is that there's 0:04:09.078,0:04:12.864 less pressure to publish in academic 0:04:12.864,0:04:17.094 outlets when you are oriented towards 0:04:17.094,0:04:23.093 those services because-and that-that is an 0:04:23.093,0:04:27.488 advantage because, some journals-a number 0:04:27.488,0:04:31.260 of journals don't really accept pre-prints 0:04:31.260,0:04:33.799 or you know reviewers may comment that 0:04:33.799,0:04:37.517 this-that this has been a pre print else- 0:04:37.517,0:04:41.948 where and that can actually impede chances 0:04:41.948,0:04:44.957 of success at those journals. On the 0:04:44.957,0:04:47.614 other hand some open access journals that 0:04:47.614,0:04:50.675 tend to be, you know, higher impact or 0:04:50.706,0:04:55.011 you know, harder to get in to as well, 0:04:55.011,0:04:59.314 they don’t mind having-accepting 0:04:59.314,0:05:01.191 pre-prints, in fact they may 0:05:01.191,0:05:06.916 encourage it. Erm so that-We would ask you 0:05:06.916,0:05:10.252 to consider that, you know before 0:05:10.252,0:05:14.916 uploading your work on a pre print 0:05:14.916,0:05:17.985 server because we don’t want to stop you[br]from doing that 0:05:17.985,0:05:20.374 if that's-if publishing academically, if 0:05:20.374,0:05:23.491 that's what you want to do first. That 0:05:23.491,0:05:26.251 said, you know, we know it can be 0:05:26.251,0:05:29.866 difficult and a lot of really good work 0:05:29.866,0:05:33.517 never gets out there in academic journals 0:05:33.517,0:05:36.803 and we want to help people-make that 0:05:36.803,0:05:42.062 accessible, and you know get the exposure 0:05:42.062,0:05:44.671 and the credit they deserve for doing that 0:05:44.671,0:05:47.600 work. And we know that those working with 0:05:47.600,0:05:50.526 ethnic minorities can sometimes find it 0:05:50.526,0:05:52.755 really difficult to get their work 0:05:52.755,0:05:56.375 published in an academic outlet but 0:05:56.375,0:06:00.283 we really need to hear about that stuff 0:06:00.283,0:06:02.002 [their research]. 0:06:02.329,0:06:03.919 [inaudible] 0:06:03.990,0:06:06.769 With regards to how it works on our Wiki, 0:06:06.769,0:06:09.974 as I say we have a resources section under 0:06:09.974,0:06:12.793 each language and the idea is people can 0:06:12.793,0:06:16.079 click through and visit and download it 0:06:16.079,0:06:19.105 and have a look. The first thing they 0:06:19.105,0:06:22.964 see is, like you know a page of terms and 0:06:23.800,0:06:26.220 recordings of phrases but 0:06:26.220,0:06:28.685 sometimes people might actually want to 0:06:28.685,0:06:31.230 understand a particular community more 0:06:31.330,0:06:33.713 and understand how they make sense of 0:06:33.731,0:06:36.241 you know, struggle, physical and 0:06:36.241,0:06:40.076 emotional struggle, and their-you know 0:06:40.076,0:06:42.650 when their health needs aren’t being 0:06:42.650,0:06:46.565 quite met, so they can either get 0:06:46.565,0:06:49.105 more support, you know or they can-or if 0:06:49.105,0:06:51.893 they are a professional, figure out how 0:06:51.893,0:06:54.693 to support a member of the community 0:06:54.693,0:07:00.223 better. Obviously we do welcome work 0:07:00.223,0:07:02.710 from any psychologist that has worked with 0:07:02.710,0:07:05.866 an ethnic minority but we are particularly 0:07:05.866,0:07:08.640 welcoming ethnic minority psychologists, 0:07:08.640,0:07:12.303 as that is part of our ethos, it's our 0:07:12.303,0:07:15.955 focus to try and help get ethnic minority 0:07:15.955,0:07:18.471 psychologists to get their work recognised 0:07:18.471,0:07:21.504 to counteract some of the barriers that 0:07:21.504,0:07:26.204 we can sometimes face as ethnic minorities 0:07:26.464,0:07:30.264 [Kiran] So yeah with regards- 0:07:30.285,0:07:32.025 [Rachel] Can I give an example? 0:07:32.025,0:07:32.934 [Kiran] Oh go on- 0:07:32.934,0:07:36.794 [Rachel] An example might be-you 0:07:36.794,0:07:39.317 might be a-a practicing health [br]psychologist 0:07:39.317,0:07:42.780 Perhaps you are a few years down the line 0:07:42.780,0:07:46.128 after study, but actually like you had 0:07:46.128,0:07:48.708 a really incredible dissertation or thesis 0:07:48.714,0:07:51.749 that was on, for example the experiences 0:07:51.749,0:07:54.939 of barriers to help in the South 0:07:54.939,0:07:59.885 Asian community in relation to eating[br]disorders 0:07:59.885,0:08:02.524 That-and say it was a qualitative piece 0:08:02.527,0:08:04.787 and you interviewed like 8 people 0:08:04.787,0:08:07.444 and it's-you might not have had 0:08:07.444,0:08:12.034 the support, the time, the energy to- 0:08:12.034,0:08:14.594 perhaps or the interest to go down 0:08:14.594,0:08:16.944 that peer review process, cos it is - as 0:08:16.944,0:08:19.144 Kiran said there are any barriers for 0:08:19.144,0:08:22.385 lots of different reasons, perhaps then 0:08:22.385,0:08:25.446 a preprint could be really useful cos that 0:08:25.446,0:08:28.819 would mean that information-that knowledge 0:08:28.819,0:08:33.865 can be picked up and used by [br]practitioners, just by the public, by 0:08:33.865,0:08:37.508 people of the South Asian community[br]specifically and that is exactly the 0:08:37.508,0:08:40.090 sort of thing we would absolutely love in 0:08:40.090,0:08:42.294 the resources section and we can 0:08:42.294,0:08:46.114 actually put that in-under the certain 0:08:46.114,0:08:49.022 languages that that would be-that that 0:08:49.022,0:08:52.282 would be relevant to, so yeah that's just[br]an example. 0:08:52.282,0:08:55.906 [Kiran] Yeah thank you, that's always 0:08:55.906,0:08:58.982 helpful for people to have that, you know, 0:08:58.982,0:09:01.072 cos it can seem a bit abstract. 0:09:01.072,0:09:05.137 So when we say we link to it, a popular 0:09:05.137,0:09:10.067 repository that we talk about--that [br]accepts a lot of preprints is called 0:09:10.082,0:09:13.802 PsyArXiv. We'll go over how to upload 0:09:13.802,0:09:16.477 things onto PsyArXiv and one of the 0:09:16.477,0:09:18.769 lovely things about that is that you can 0:09:18.769,0:09:23.147 create a permanent link which is easy to 0:09:23.147,0:09:27.537 publish to-well link to, also should you 0:09:27.537,0:09:30.317 then later on publish it, you can create a 0:09:30.317,0:09:33.367 link to the final published version-and 0:09:33.367,0:09:35.750 you can even choose whether to make it 0:09:35.750,0:09:38.708 private or public, update the version 0:09:38.708,0:09:43.595 if you choose to re-write it a little bit.[br]You have all these options 0:09:43.595,0:09:45.987 And one of these things that we hope 0:09:45.987,0:09:49.526 that could happen is if we-this site 0:09:49.526,0:09:52.906 builds and you know becomes a real key 0:09:52.906,0:09:55.448 -leading resource amongst professionals 0:09:55.448,0:09:58.678 and service user groups, we could end up 0:09:58.678,0:10:01.051 attracting some editors who would love to 0:10:01.051,0:10:03.684 publish your work, who may approach you 0:10:03.684,0:10:07.518 as a result. So, that's-kind of the other 0:10:07.518,0:10:11.328 hope really by doing it this way, and of 0:10:11.328,0:10:13.728 course to make sure we credit people 0:10:13.728,0:10:16.986 appropriately for the work that they do. 0:10:16.986,0:10:20.742 So what we do particularly welcome 0:10:20.742,0:10:23.434 is-in terms of the types of research 0:10:23.448,0:10:26.028 we-we are looking for original empirical 0:10:26.033,0:10:30.313 research studies, qualitative, indepth 0:10:30.313,0:10:32.900 studies with an ethnic minority 0:10:32.900,0:10:37.589 participant group and sometimes 0:10:37.589,0:10:44.038 quantitative measures, to see where 0:10:44.038,0:10:46.317 someone might be struggling with their 0:10:46.317,0:10:49.517 physical or mental health as that can help 0:10:49.517,0:10:51.758 [to] identify people in clinical practice 0:10:51.760,0:10:54.840 who might need some support, so those are 0:10:54.840,0:10:57.693 the kind of the studies that we're 0:10:57.693,0:11:02.181 looking for. So if that you know sounds 0:11:02.181,0:11:04.454 like it might be of relevance to you-I'm 0:11:04.454,0:11:06.735 just gonna check that I haven't missed 0:11:06.735,0:11:08.862 anything [laughs]- if that sounds like 0:11:08.862,0:11:10.847 it could be something you would 0:11:10.847,0:11:14.024 be interested in, and you know 0:11:14.024,0:11:17.209 you'd like to hear more and see more of 0:11:17.209,0:11:19.701 our projects then, you know you're more 0:11:19.701,0:11:22.529 than welcome and we'd love to hear 0:11:22.529,0:11:23.547 from you. 0:11:23.547,0:11:27.454 Thank you-thank you very much for your 0:11:27.454,0:11:30.100 attention and we look forward to speaking 0:11:30.100,0:11:32.640 to you soon.