1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,220 [Ellen Gallagher: Cutting] 2 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:16,700 I grew up in New England 3 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:19,680 and I live now between Rotterdam and New York. 4 00:00:22,130 --> 00:00:26,500 I'm actually a big bird watcher in Rotterdam now 5 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:29,320 because it's a great migratory space 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,910 and I'm there with my binoculars, 7 00:00:30,910 --> 00:00:33,090 and hiking around there. 8 00:00:33,090 --> 00:00:34,730 And I'm looking very precisely 9 00:00:34,730 --> 00:00:38,550 at these fleeting glimpses of birds. 10 00:00:40,559 --> 00:00:42,550 You try to remember what you've seen, 11 00:00:42,550 --> 00:00:46,270 it's gone, and then you try to find it again. 12 00:00:50,820 --> 00:00:52,820 In the bird paintings, 13 00:00:52,829 --> 00:00:56,850 I start with a more precise drawing, 14 00:00:56,850 --> 00:00:58,129 and then from that drawing, 15 00:00:58,129 --> 00:01:00,339 I abstract the form. 16 00:01:00,339 --> 00:01:01,449 And it has to be abstract. 17 00:01:01,449 --> 00:01:03,600 It wouldn't work if it was really like 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,280 a completely believable, detailed, 19 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,580 precise rendering of the bird. 20 00:01:10,980 --> 00:01:13,880 I like radically cutting into the painting, 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,050 inserting these paper birds, 22 00:01:17,050 --> 00:01:19,670 and then trying to figure out how to believe in it. 23 00:01:19,670 --> 00:01:21,550 I'd have to somehow, then, 24 00:01:21,550 --> 00:01:24,310 weave them back into the paintings. 25 00:01:28,090 --> 00:01:29,950 The things that separates the planes 26 00:01:29,950 --> 00:01:34,570 are the incisions and the edges of the matter. 27 00:01:35,750 --> 00:01:39,130 Each separate layer of cutting or painting 28 00:01:39,130 --> 00:01:40,420 is visible 29 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:43,180 and readable as an edge. 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,020 It is interesting to see 31 00:01:54,030 --> 00:01:57,000 the way content surfaces over time, 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,520 both in my mind and in the skin of the work. 33 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,520 ["Watery Ecstatic Series" (2001--2009)] 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,119 The "Watery Ecstatic" works were more kind of 35 00:02:08,119 --> 00:02:11,519 narrative--literary--relationship to the sea. 36 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,129 The cut drawings were about 37 00:02:15,129 --> 00:02:18,140 bringing that biological surface 38 00:02:18,140 --> 00:02:21,240 into the form of the drawing. 39 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,290 I used to get these air bubbles that annoyed me. 40 00:02:28,290 --> 00:02:30,310 The slice I made when the paper was wet, 41 00:02:30,310 --> 00:02:31,790 just to release air bubbles, 42 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:36,240 opened up and became this sort of 43 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,090 cut that was fleshy. 44 00:02:39,090 --> 00:02:39,930 And it's funny, then, 45 00:02:39,930 --> 00:02:41,980 as you move into the "Watery Ecstatic" works 46 00:02:41,980 --> 00:02:44,959 to see that cut become so conscious. 47 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,080 For me, I found that to be a surprise. 48 00:02:50,660 --> 00:02:53,420 Cutting a graphic edge from the earlier works 49 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:54,560 into the newer works 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,080 has been, I think, consistent.