0:00:00.910,0:00:07.280 It is so that I distanced myself from the topic "refugees" for some time. 0:00:08.121,0:00:12.121 My first thought was that we must help these people. 0:00:13.761,0:00:19.431 I'm a humanist, and of the opinion that when someone is in need, he should be helped. 0:00:19.497,0:00:31.087 That's why my first reflex was to be pro-refugees and to say that we must help all and everyone of them. 0:00:31.583,0:00:43.613 I didn't reflect much on this, but at some point I had the need to see for myself how things were. 0:00:45.200,0:00:56.040 Then, I went to one of the refugee centers and joined a organization, in which I could do voluntary service. 0:00:56.991,0:01:03.681 This way, I took care of three refugees during the past 9 months. 0:01:04.834,0:01:08.834 I was supposed to help one of them with his school homework. 0:01:08.871,0:01:11.031 The second one needed a job. 0:01:11.031,0:01:16.551 The third one had just recently arrived from Syria and I was a kind of language coach for him. 0:01:17.358,0:01:24.198 But I also helped him with other things, like bringing his things in place, and trying to integrate him. 0:01:26.252,0:01:34.452 Like I said before, my position was fundamentally pro-refugees, before I started working with them. 0:01:35.934,0:01:42.414 Nowadays, after gaining personal experience with them, I'm very skeptical. 0:01:42.749,0:01:53.179 Of course I still believe we should help people in need, but the things I have experienced, unfortunately overlap with that being said by many 0:01:53.391,0:02:09.541 - and I'm trying to be apolitical here and objectively narrate the experience I have made without being judgmental or putting myself in either political corner - 0:02:12.708,0:02:17.898 also, at first I took care of a refugee that came from Afghanistan 0:02:18.410,0:02:20.010 he was still pretty young 0:02:20.575,0:02:22.785 and, I didn't work with him for long 0:02:22.914,0:02:25.684 he started an apprenticeship here in Germany 0:02:26.288,0:02:28.808 and needed help with his homework 0:02:28.882,0:02:30.862 I met him 0:02:31.545,0:02:36.875 and, offered him my help to do his homework periodically together 0:02:38.691,0:02:41.211 but he didn't commit himself to that 0:02:41.615,0:02:43.535 and didn't contact me anymore 0:02:43.568,0:02:50.888 That can happen. Perhaps he didn't like me, or had better things to do. It doesn't matter. 0:02:50.927,0:02:52.717 The second refugee 0:02:54.451,0:02:58.451 At this point I was a little bit disillusioned to be honest 0:02:58.895,0:03:01.825 He comes from Syria and is married with two kids. 0:03:02.291,0:03:06.621 He has been living here for ten years now. Also, he is no current refugee. 0:03:06.824,0:03:10.514 Apparently, he studied Mathematics back in Syria 0:03:10.893,0:03:16.693 He's a Mathematics Professor, but never really had a job in Germany 0:03:16.830,0:03:21.000 always some sort of non-skilled job, when he actually did something 0:03:21.199,0:03:23.399 I don't know why it was this way. 0:03:23.520,0:03:26.300 Anyways, my task was to help him finding a job. 0:03:26.659,0:03:29.949 The first thing to attract my attention was that he doesn't speak any German. 0:03:30.226,0:03:34.226 After ten years in the country he still has lots of problems to formulate sentences. 0:03:34.481,0:03:36.361 I looked for jobs with him 0:03:37.075,0:03:39.625 and I was always confronted with resistance 0:03:39.711,0:03:41.971 he couldn't do this, he couldn't do that 0:03:42.265,0:03:44.195 he is a mathematics professor 0:03:44.270,0:03:52.510 I kind of understood that. He was a highly qualified man, at least on paper, so I can understand when he doesn't want to do a dirty job 0:03:52.551,0:04:02.861 I tried to explain to him that he has to learn German, he needs German, he must be able to speak German to get a job according to his qualifications 0:04:04.978,0:04:11.548 He must do something about it, attend language classes, private classes or whatever 0:04:11.682,0:04:14.362 He refused to all my proposals: 0:04:14.519,0:04:20.919 German classes are too expensive, he cannot go to work because his wife is sick, or he can't do the job because he's overqualified. 0:04:21.170,0:04:26.550 I was always a struggle against his will 0:04:26.903,0:04:30.903 I found some language classes for him at the adult education center 0:04:31.273,0:04:34.323 that were very cheap 0:04:34.747,0:04:38.747 and with his social ID he would have paid even less 0:04:39.322,0:04:43.322 a course would have costed him 10 or 20€ 0:04:44.091,0:04:47.621 and he could have done different levels 0:04:47.771,0:04:51.171 and achieved a good qualification 0:04:51.234,0:04:54.394 for a total cost of perhaps 150 or 200€ 0:04:54.615,0:04:56.805 - complete, all the courses - 0:04:56.853,0:04:59.273 - they would have been 8 or 9 courses - 0:04:59.273,0:05:02.273 - offered by the adult education center - 0:05:03.686,0:05:05.836 I really did all the research for him 0:05:05.836,0:05:08.856 and put effort putting the information together 0:05:09.291,0:05:16.021 I looked for all the courses, the prices, what he would in fact pay with his social ID 0:05:17.436,0:05:24.086 I also looked for jobs for him, made the appointments, explained him when and how to apply for the positions 0:05:25.262,0:05:33.322 I told him I could correct the language of his application forms if he sent me them per email 0:05:33.806,0:05:37.806 Also, I did everything in my power to help him find a job 0:05:39.065,0:05:40.395 or to get a job 0:05:40.395,0:05:43.535 I would have attended the job interview with him 0:05:43.544,0:05:46.364 But he made every imaginable excuse 0:05:46.967,0:05:50.967 and at the end he stop contacting me 0:05:51.395,0:05:54.945 This was a experience in which I was a little disillusioned 0:05:55.419,0:05:59.419 I tried to rationalize it. It doesn't mean anything. 0:05:59.750,0:06:03.070 It was an isolated thing. 0:06:03.487,0:06:06.187 I also somewhat understood him. 0:06:06.266,0:06:08.366 His wife was sick and he had kids 0:06:08.374,0:06:10.054 It's not so easy 0:06:10.054,0:06:14.884 I can understand that in such situations people just don't want anything anymore. He was already in his 50s or so 0:06:14.922,0:06:18.322 I was disillusioned and perhaps also a little disappointed 0:06:18.427,0:06:20.077 But I wasn't a big deal 0:06:21.002,0:06:23.752 I granted myself some time off 0:06:24.470,0:06:27.010 and then I contacted this organization again 0:06:27.034,0:06:30.634 They appointed my to a third refugee 0:06:32.416,0:06:36.416 and the experience with this refugee 0:06:36.512,0:06:39.292 made me make this video 0:06:39.423,0:06:47.973 the range of feeling goes from fear, to rage and perplexity 0:06:48.032,0:06:54.412 It was so that this refugee, he comes from Syria 0:06:54.448,0:06:58.448 22 years old, I think, but I'm not sure anymore 0:06:58.710,0:07:00.560 In any case in his early 20s 0:07:00.594,0:07:07.964 The first impression was already a little... I thought to myself, well, perhaps he's traumatized or has been through a lot of shit. 0:07:08.040,0:07:09.860 We met a couple of times 0:07:10.007,0:07:17.777 He was... very disrespectful all the time 0:07:17.805,0:07:23.675 He was continuously on his mobile phone during our meetings, talking to people 0:07:24.606,0:07:27.136 or sending messages 0:07:27.199,0:07:28.919 and received friends 0:07:28.952,0:07:31.792 I felt like the 3rd wheel 0:07:37.030,0:07:39.670 He wanted my help, my support 0:07:39.678,0:07:44.998 but gave me to understand, that I have to follow him 0:07:45.149,0:07:46.569 It's difficult to explain 0:07:46.569,0:07:51.309 I wasn't in the center - I didn't ask for that either - 0:07:51.562,0:07:58.972 but if we have a meeting, and you spend time together in this context 0:07:59.055,0:08:03.055 then you expect the other person not to be continuously on the phone 0:08:03.293,0:08:08.733 and that his attentions is with the person that is offering his time to help 0:08:09.850,0:08:16.190 Anyways, with talked a lot, went hiking, he had a shot wound on his leg 0:08:18.112,0:08:24.232 and I thought, ok, this is exactly the kind of refugees we hear from in the media 0:08:24.355,0:08:26.655 one of those who really need help 0:08:26.670,0:08:29.580 At some point we started talking about religion 0:08:29.655,0:08:31.705 He was a Muslim 0:08:33.825,0:08:36.255 but he drank alcohol 0:08:36.794,0:08:38.074 and smokes 0:08:39.262,0:08:45.092 and, when I told him that I am an atheist and don't believe in a god 0:08:46.733,0:08:48.203 then 0:08:48.717,0:08:51.007 the mood changed 0:08:51.255,0:08:55.255 you could clearly see how he tried to pull himself together 0:08:55.256,0:08:56.406 and stay calm 0:08:56.787,0:09:00.787 but as the conversation progressed, he got more and more aggresive 0:09:00.840,0:09:03.430 I was having a totally normal conversation 0:09:03.574,0:09:04.534 and tried to explain to him 0:09:04.687,0:09:05.807 that in Germany 0:09:05.807,0:09:07.367 and generally in Europe 0:09:07.634,0:09:08.944 and all over the world 0:09:09.029,0:09:10.059 there are people that don't believe in god 0:09:10.074,0:09:13.394 and I tried to explain to him that I just don't believe in a god 0:09:13.434,0:09:22.804 and that there are very good reasons, in my opinion, in favor of atheism 0:09:23.377,0:09:27.377 He got aggressive and tried to convince me that there is a god 0:09:27.531,0:09:31.241 and specially the Muslim god, Allah 0:09:32.250,0:09:40.280 and asked how it could be that I'm alive when I don't belive in any god 0:09:40.857,0:09:51.537 He meant, that I haven't died in an accident, or because of misfortune, since there is no god to protect me 0:09:52.691,0:09:56.691 The situation turned very scary, he got aggressive and mean 0:09:56.881,0:09:58.051 I felt threatened 0:09:58.051,0:10:01.291 because I could realize he couldn't come to terms with that 0:10:01.291,0:10:04.541 I am an atheist, so I quickly ended the conversation 0:10:06.290,0:10:10.290 This was the first situation where I thought, ok, 0:10:11.758,0:10:14.378 I have to be careful with what I say 0:10:14.378,0:10:20.278 My freedom of speech was actually constrained 0:10:20.372,0:10:23.062 Nobody prohibited me to say something, but 0:10:23.109,0:10:26.309 it was... somehow threatening 0:10:26.797,0:10:29.657 I cannot say more about it. This was how I felt. 0:10:33.372,0:10:36.852 Then I remember a situation 0:10:37.022,0:10:44.502 He had a process going on... it was about his residence permit 0:10:44.639,0:10:49.119 I don't know the details, but it was about whether he could stay in Germany or not. 0:10:49.422,0:10:51.762 He came through Italy 0:10:51.791,0:10:54.321 and he got registered there 0:10:54.321,0:10:56.731 and that's why this process was going on 0:10:56.844,0:10:59.074 I think it's called Schengen Agreement 0:10:59.076,0:11:01.816 As I said, I don't really know the details 0:11:02.007,0:11:14.927 In any case it wasn't clear if he could stay in Germany because of his registration in Italy, which is a safe country 0:11:16.573,0:11:19.523 Anyway, the legal action went well for him 0:11:19.649,0:11:22.529 and he got the approval for staying in Germany 0:11:23.092,0:11:30.462 eventually he got a letter stating he owed 600€ in legal fees 0:11:30.630,0:11:32.520 this letter was from his lawyer 0:11:32.575,0:11:34.665 and he got incredibly upset about it 0:11:34.665,0:11:38.135 he turned really mean because he had to pay the 600€ 0:11:38.331,0:11:48.261 he didn't understand, I tried to explain to him that when he hires a private lawyer he has to pay him 0:11:49.341,0:11:56.591 his reasoning was that he had won the legal action and now is here in Germany 0:11:59.273,0:12:01.283 I didn't understand what he meant by that 0:12:01.315,0:12:02.595 What does it mean that "he's now here" 0:12:03.029,0:12:11.659 he said, that if we won the case, than it's because everyone wants to have him here, so he shouldn't have to pay for the lawyer. 0:12:12.205,0:12:15.245 That was very confusing for him 0:12:15.426,0:12:22.216 Eventually he accepted it and paid the lawyer 0:12:22.313,0:12:32.553 This wasn't a problem a for me, I though, ok, he just doesn't understand how things work here. Perhaps it's different in Syria or so. 0:12:32.763,0:12:34.313 I didn't think much about it 0:12:34.450,0:12:42.380 But when he started talking about his expectations in Germany 0:12:43.994,0:12:50.684 He expects, literally... he thought that in Germany nobody has to work 0:12:52.435,0:12:56.435 He was irritated about having to work 0:12:58.669,0:13:01.049 He said he though that nobody has to work in Germany 0:13:01.109,0:13:05.109 That's what people say in Syria and along the refugee routes. 0:13:05.543,0:13:13.703 I explained to him that in Germany people have to work and that people in Germany have to gain their sustenance and prosperity 0:13:15.788,0:13:23.398 Then I thought again that it was a misunderstanding created by some rumors and I shouldn't overestimate it. 0:13:23.966,0:13:27.266 However, his statement was important later on 0:13:27.322,0:13:30.762 when he spoke to me about his family after a couple of days 0:13:30.774,0:13:37.414 What I understood was that he was a kind of pawn for the family 0:13:37.456,0:13:45.266 He's the family's lackey and has to jump whenever his father snaps his fingers 0:13:45.646,0:13:47.346 There is a clear hierarchy 0:13:47.346,0:13:57.586 The father... better said the family, the father has the last word but the whole family sent this refugee to Germany 0:13:59.589,0:14:14.459 Then I asked him why he was sent, because after wall he was the family's servant 0:14:14.608,0:14:16.858 he told me it was so that he can earn money 0:14:16.871,0:14:23.581 Now it's important to recall that he thought nobody has to work in Germany 0:14:24.345,0:14:30.485 He told me his family sent him to Germany so that he can collect this free money 0:14:30.554,0:14:34.054 Because everyone was assuming that in Germany nobody has to work 0:14:34.838,0:14:42.488 Since he was the idiot in the family, who was willing to travel to Germany, he was the one they sent. 0:14:42.489,0:14:45.329 He had to do it. 0:14:45.568,0:14:48.388 It wasn't an escape from Syria, but a mission 0:14:48.695,0:14:54.085 His mission was to find money for the family 0:14:54.148,0:15:02.968 so I asked him if his family was in danger or doing bad, because he was always talking to them on his mobile 0:15:03.551,0:15:08.191 I asked him how they were doing and if they are going to come to Germany too 0:15:08.346,0:15:12.736 He said "no, no, they aren't coming to Germany". They are doing fine and have no worries. 0:15:12.763,0:15:15.003 I started being skeptical. 0:15:15.035,0:15:19.035 Because I imagine Syria as a big war zone. 0:15:19.586,0:15:23.586 Perhaps there are regions now in which there are no wars going on 0:15:23.887,0:15:27.127 at least this family didn't have any problems there 0:15:27.577,0:15:34.747 and sent their son to Germany to procure money for them, because they thought there is free money here, without working 0:15:35.474,0:15:37.874 then when talked about his qualifications 0:15:37.961,0:15:41.421 he told me he studies computer science in Syria 0:15:41.729,0:15:47.999 I was really excited and told him he would have a wonderful future here 0:15:48.097,0:15:53.567 and the injure in your leg won't be a problem, since you just sit in front of a computer 0:15:53.699,0:15:56.739 I told him, nice, we need people like you! 0:15:56.948,0:16:00.948 We need skilled workers, that's what we are always getting told 0:16:01.468,0:16:03.118 and I told him just that 0:16:03.138,0:16:05.418 I was really happy about him 0:16:05.632,0:16:08.562 Now, it is so that I also have a degree in computer science 0:16:08.608,0:16:12.608 I studied technical computer science and financial computer science 0:16:14.276,0:16:17.906 and I thought to myself: "ok, here is something we can have good discussions about" 0:16:17.943,0:16:21.943 unfortunately I realized after just 3 minutes that he didn't know anything 0:16:22.856,0:16:26.856 I was pretty obvious that he had never attended a computer science class 0:16:27.126,0:16:31.126 This means he lied about his qualifications 0:16:31.306,0:16:34.046 or the standards in Syria are extremely low 0:16:34.095,0:16:36.395 I don't know, but I'd bet it's the former. 0:16:37.017,0:16:44.417 He also told me that young girls and boys come to the refugee center on the evenings. 0:16:44.511,0:16:46.321 and I asked him what are they doing there 0:16:46.342,0:16:48.512 and he says, yeah, they buy drugs 0:16:48.529,0:16:50.569 marihuana and things like that 0:16:51.913,0:16:55.913 and I asked him, how so? In the refugee center or at the refugee center? 0:16:56.425,0:16:58.015 he said, yes, every evening 0:16:58.760,0:17:01.310 That irritated me a little bit 0:17:01.367,0:17:04.047 and I asked him if he does it too 0:17:04.114,0:17:06.844 he replied no no, he doesn't do that 0:17:07.353,0:17:09.513 I tried to frighten him a little 0:17:09.584,0:17:16.274 I tried to explain to him that the police is protecting the refugee centers and the officers will realize drugs are being sold there 0:17:16.369,0:17:18.049 He was irritated about this 0:17:18.106,0:17:22.586 he said, "really? In our refugee center nobody has been arrested, ever" 0:17:23.188,0:17:26.438 Apparently they have been doing this for months now 0:17:26.479,0:17:33.379 I was irritated, I tried to explain that the police is observing this 0:17:33.470,0:17:36.380 and taking notes 0:17:36.427,0:17:42.117 and waiting for enough delicts to be committed in order to act 0:17:43.658,0:17:49.178 it's always difficult in isolated acts, so they collect them for a while 0:17:50.903,0:17:54.903 and I showed him were the police car was 0:17:55.026,0:17:57.456 it was parked near the refugee center 0:17:57.547,0:18:00.037 when I pointed with my finger he got a panic attack 0:18:00.037,0:18:01.847 and told "stop pointing at the police!" 0:18:01.900,0:18:03.660 "they could arrest us!" 0:18:03.660,0:18:05.500 they won't do such a thing, I told him 0:18:05.500,0:18:08.910 "they'll ask us to take our pants down, and they'll search us and so" 0:18:09.097,0:18:11.107 I don't know from which source he got that 0:18:11.115,0:18:17.325 but he had a strong fear to get the attention of the police 0:18:17.721,0:18:21.721 I have to be honest, I was very irritated 0:18:22.001,0:18:26.571 because they have been selling drugs for months right under the nose of the police 0:18:27.980,0:18:29.920 and nothing happens 0:18:29.953,0:18:35.333 the problem is that there is a vocational school less than 20 meters away 0:18:35.997,0:18:38.967 a big vocational school is there 0:18:39.175,0:18:49.115 where about 800 pupils ranging from 14 to 21 years old attend school 0:18:49.134,0:18:56.014 and 20 meters away there is a refugee center that is well-known as a place where you can get drugs without any problems. 0:18:56.034,0:19:00.034 and the police haven't done anything for months 0:19:00.099,0:19:05.579 I was really.... I must say stunned, I was really stunned 0:19:06.444,0:19:11.754 I didn't understand how can someone come here as a refugee and the first thing this person does is to sell drugs. 0:19:11.842,0:19:15.842 I thought this was just a rumor. I thought it was just right-wing propaganda 0:19:15.870,0:19:19.170 But it wasn't. It is the reality. Just the reality. 0:19:20.837,0:19:26.337 For the refugees it's a relieve that there is no action by the police 0:19:26.583,0:19:29.383 The police don't do anything. 0:19:30.161,0:19:33.231 This is obviously a free ticket for them. 0:19:33.379,0:19:38.909 And the word gets around that nothing happens if they sell drugs 0:19:39.002,0:19:43.002 and if their client attend to school 20 meters away, then it's even better 0:19:43.529,0:19:46.179 it's good for the business 0:19:48.775,0:19:51.565 Personally, something that really upset me was 0:19:51.570,0:19:54.870 when he got the residence permit 0:19:54.870,0:19:57.280 and the legal action was over 0:19:57.280,0:20:01.280 when it was clear to him that he was allowed to stay in Germany 0:20:02.179,0:20:06.179 I asked when what his plans were 0:20:06.187,0:20:08.977 if he was going to look for an apartment, or so. 0:20:09.047,0:20:11.097 I don't know, I haven't done this very often with refugees 0:20:11.169,0:20:13.279 He told me he was going to look for an apartment 0:20:13.601,0:20:15.151 but then he got really angry. 0:20:15.151,0:20:16.731 I asked him why he was so furious 0:20:16.976,0:20:24.206 And he told me he gets an apartment paid for up to 50m². 0:20:27.431,0:20:31.431 I asked him if he was being serious. If he was angry because of that. 0:20:31.693,0:20:39.163 He gets an apartment for free, up to 50m², paid for in this size. 0:20:40.287,0:20:42.697 And he told me, "yes, it's very small". 0:20:42.721,0:20:46.721 and that it was an infamy to put him in such a small apartment. 0:20:48.015,0:20:58.355 It was hard to swallow. I live still live in 23m², this is my old student apartment, also I live in 23m² with two cats. I don't even have my own kitchen, just a kitchenette 0:21:00.715,0:21:05.825 and been living here for 6 years. I paid for the apartment myself. 0:21:06.926,0:21:10.926 That was really upsetting. These demands all the time. 0:21:11.328,0:21:25.268 Free lawyer, getting money for not working, free apartment and then complain about it being too small with 50m², and then they are selling drugs in the refugee center, and the police don't care 0:21:25.753,0:21:39.223 I tried without prejudice - I make this for 9 months now - and each time I had a bad experience I tried to interpret it in the context of each individual and each separate story 0:21:40.833,0:21:43.243 I thought, ok, next time it will be better 0:21:43.285,0:21:53.755 what is comming from the center, the fear of the so-called "concerned citizens" that are pushed to the right corner, I can understand them now because I have just experience it first hand. 0:21:54.083,0:21:55.743 I had to deal with these refugees 0:21:55.743,0:21:58.533 I was there. I saw it. I talked to them. 0:21:58.533,0:22:08.543 My experiences with the 3rd refugee fulfill the negative picture we have about the refugees. I didn't want to believe it. 0:22:11.483,0:22:13.413 But it's just the reality. 0:22:13.413,0:22:17.413 I was furious. I was angry. And I drew consequences. 0:22:18.941,0:22:26.601 If I have to have fear about my own security and the security of my family and friends. 0:22:26.638,0:22:30.118 or I am confronted with these demands 0:22:30.238,0:22:32.678 and them I am the one helping them 0:22:32.678,0:22:35.718 for example I invited them to the cinema 0:22:35.730,0:22:37.520 I invested time in them 0:22:37.520,0:22:45.200 I gave to, shared with, invested in a person who didn't need it 0:22:45.200,0:22:49.200 at the end I asked myself why I was helping them 0:22:49.765,0:22:55.375 the fact is that the demands of these people are completely disproportionate. 0:22:55.375,0:23:02.015 The notion of these people about Germany, and the rights in Germany, and the possibilities here were completely disproportionate. 0:23:02.015,0:23:11.435 and that reality, my reality, my life, my experience, my money, my apartment, my whole living standard 0:23:11.484,0:23:15.484 lie well below their expectations and demands 0:23:16.177,0:23:23.417 and that what's already above my living standard, it's for these people too little. 0:23:23.417,0:23:32.687 I'm not insinuating bad intentions. Of course they were falsely informed and they got the wrong expectations. 0:23:32.687,0:23:46.407 But if you don't inform yourself in advance, or you don't let people explain things to you, and maintain the stubborn attitude that e.g. 50m² is too small and you want more 0:23:46.407,0:23:53.797 and these people don't care that a lot of people in Germany live under much worse conditions than themselves 0:23:53.797,0:23:56.727 than things turn personal 0:23:56.727,0:23:59.197 and eventually I took it personally too 0:23:59.202,0:24:03.202 and stopped helping this person and wrote a letter to this organization 0:24:03.728,0:24:07.728 in which I clearly stated that I didn't have the impression that this person was in need for help 0:24:07.953,0:24:11.233 I wrote about the three bad experiences I've had. 0:24:11.245,0:24:13.025 that I was really disillusioned 0:24:13.025,0:24:17.025 that I was disappointed 0:24:17.090,0:24:20.810 and confronted with an unexpected reality 0:24:20.877,0:24:24.107 We are being told something completely different 0:24:24.107,0:24:26.277 We see in the media something completely different 0:24:26.277,0:24:29.707 And we are gagged every time we try to speak about these things 0:24:29.799,0:24:38.891 The argument always goes like "but have you experienced this first-hand or you have this information from people that just want to agitate against refugees?" 0:24:39.591,0:24:43.441 Yes, I have experienced this.