1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,060 2 00:00:19,060 --> 00:00:25,090 Heraldo: OK! Vamos a la charla. Así que.., la siguiente es Andrea Jungaberle. Ella es 3 00:00:25,090 --> 00:00:35,050 hablar de las drogas y de cómo estas afectan la psiquiatría. Oh, esa es una palabra difícil. 4 00:00:35,050 --> 00:00:43,700 ¿Por qué no lo haces? Ahora lo sé. Y la pregunta es, después de la... 5 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:46,600 es "Verbot" en inglés? Andrea Jungaberle: Prohibición. 6 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,480 Prohibición, correcto, después de la prohibición en los años 70, no se piensa mucho 7 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:58,589 sobre cómo funcionan estas drogas y cómo podrían mejorar la psiquiatría, así que 8 00:00:58,589 --> 00:01:04,109 ahora todo el mundo se pregunta, ¿Es está la cura magica ? No lo creo. Pero más 9 00:01:04,109 --> 00:01:07,713 de esto por Andrea. Bueno, una cálida bienvenida, por favor. 10 00:01:07,713 --> 00:01:14,110 11 00:01:14,110 --> 00:01:19,550 Hola a todos. Estoy muy feliz de estar aquí y de poder hablar con ustedes 12 00:01:19,550 --> 00:01:23,470 sobre un tema que es importante para mí y creo que es muy importante para muchas personas 13 00:01:23,470 --> 00:01:28,660 ahora y en el futuro. Así que el tema de hoy es la Medicina Psicodélica, ¿Hackeando 14 00:01:28,660 --> 00:01:33,150 la psiquiatría? Y sólo para remarcar el titular, no es una cura mágica y 15 00:01:33,150 --> 00:01:36,910 nunca lo será. Pero por otro lado, hay muchas cosas que saber y pensar 16 00:01:36,910 --> 00:01:40,950 en este contexto que me gustaría presentarles. Pero primero, unos cuantas 17 00:01:40,950 --> 00:01:46,000 palabras acerca de mí. Soy médico, especializada en medicina de emergencia 18 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,320 y cuidados intensivos. Trabajo y vivo en Berlín. Y también soy una de los fundadoras de MIND, 19 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:56,280 Fundación Europea para la Psicodelia Ciencia, y soy su actual directora médica. 20 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,590 Eso es nuestro equipo principal. Así que MIND es un equipo basado en miembros 21 00:02:01,590 --> 00:02:07,560 de la Asociación de Ciencia Psicodélica. Contamos con 450 miembros en todo el mundo y un equipo 22 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:13,250 principal de 50 personas. Eso es un núcleo de personal remunerado, muchos muy dedicados, 23 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:17,040 muy buenos voluntarios y grandes internos de diferentes disciplinas como la 24 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,240 neurociencia, psiquiatría, psicología, y farmacología , por ejemplo. Así que trabajamos para 25 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,630 establecer la ciencia psicodélica como un método basado en la evidencia y también educar 26 00:02:27,630 --> 00:02:34,489 sobre ello en Alemania y en Europa. Bien, vamos a comenzar por la parte más profunda. 27 00:02:34,489 --> 00:02:42,230 Psicodélicos. ¿Qué son los psicodélicos?, el término viene del griego Psique Delos 28 00:02:42,230 --> 00:02:46,909 que podría traducirse como "manifestando la mente de la psique". Así que 29 00:02:46,909 --> 00:02:52,535 muchos hablaban de las sustancias psicoactivas con una cierta capacidad 30 00:02:52,535 --> 00:02:57,629 de transformar la percepción de uno, la introspección, las cualidades sensoriales en una 31 00:02:57,629 --> 00:03:03,009 manera típica que a veces se describe como como un sueño, pero no necesariamente. 32 00:03:03,009 --> 00:03:07,260 Los psicodélicos clásicos que también se llaman alucinógenos, que no me gustan el 33 00:03:07,260 --> 00:03:12,340 termino porque no inducen alucinaciones. Lo que hacen es inducir 34 00:03:12,340 --> 00:03:17,959 pseudo-alucinaciones; así que alguien en sustancias psicodélicas, generalmente el 99% 35 00:03:17,959 --> 00:03:21,369 de las veces es consciente de que ha tomado una sustancia y lo que lo que 36 00:03:21,369 --> 00:03:25,080 experienta se debe a la sustancia. Así que no es un alucinógeno, sino un pseudo... 37 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:30,938 alucinógeno. Pero estas sustancias, clásicas como el LSD, psilocibina o DMT- 38 00:03:30,938 --> 00:03:37,340 funcionan de una manera muy específica y todos ellos están trabajando en el sistema serotoninérgico. 39 00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:41,510 Así que la serotonina es uno de los neurotransmisores claves y hay un receptor 40 00:03:41,510 --> 00:03:47,029 que es el receptor 5-HT2A, que es, como, el más pequeño común denominador de 41 00:03:47,029 --> 00:03:51,390 todas esas sustancias, lo que no quiere decir que todas trabajan sólo con este, pero 42 00:03:51,390 --> 00:03:56,119 afectan a toda una plétora de neurotransmisores y receptores. Pero este 43 00:03:56,119 --> 00:04:00,780 la clave donde todos trabajan. Hay otras sustancias que se clasifican como, 44 00:04:00,780 --> 00:04:04,930 psicodélicos, de alguna manera, tal como el éxtasis, el MDMA es uno de los 45 00:04:04,930 --> 00:04:09,840 que también funciona en el sistema de serotonina. Disociativos, como la ketamina, 46 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,079 que trabaja más en el receptor NMDA y algunos otros; son básicamente químicos 47 00:04:14,079 --> 00:04:20,120 como la Amanita, que es el hongo matamoscas, o Datura, o la Salvia. 48 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,085 Esta es la única diapositiva con la que voy a molestar con informaciòn de tipo de cientifico. Pero yo 49 00:04:24,085 --> 00:04:29,050 creo que es importante ser claro sobre esto porque aunque los psicodélicos son 50 00:04:29,050 --> 00:04:34,170 un meme cultural pop, casi nadie sabe algo al respecto, para ser honesto. La mayoría 51 00:04:34,170 --> 00:04:41,290 los asocian con ser drogas de el mismo perfil de peligro que la metanfetamina 52 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:45,950 o los opiáceos. Piensan que hay un factor adicción adictivo que de hecho no existe con 53 00:04:45,950 --> 00:04:51,390 los psicodélicos clásicos.Y básicamente han sido el rincón sucio de la percepción para 54 00:04:51,390 --> 00:04:57,296 mucha gente durante mucho tiempo. Recientemente, las cosas han cambiado un poco. Los Psicodélicos 55 00:04:57,296 --> 00:05:03,120 han llegado a ser mainstream. En primer lugar, porque hay un cambio de percepción sobre las drogas en 56 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:09,510 general debido a la percepción de la cannabis y su prescripción medicación. Y también porque 57 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:13,440 gente como, por ejemplo, Michael Pollan, que es un autor bestseller que escribe 58 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:19,020 sobre cocina y nutrición, ha recurrido a escribir sobre psicodélicos. Y otro 59 00:05:19,020 --> 00:05:23,485 factor que ha ayudado a los psicodélicos por un lado, y al mismo tiempo los ha perjudicado es el 60 00:05:23,485 --> 00:05:28,870 tema de la microdosificación que hemos visto, especialmente en la escena de la tecnología 61 00:05:28,870 --> 00:05:36,530 y especialmente en el área de la bahía y Silicon Valley. Pero ¿De dónde vienen? 62 00:05:36,530 --> 00:05:43,000 En esta charla, no voy a hablar de psicodélicos,ni de sustancias 63 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,160 psicoativas en otros marcos culturales. Hay culturas como la del Amazonas 64 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:54,260 o algunos pueblos aztecas de México que han estado usando psicoactivos 65 00:05:54,260 --> 00:06:00,750 66 00:06:00,750 --> 00:06:05,760 67 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:12,510 68 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:19,390 69 00:06:19,390 --> 00:06:26,820 70 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:32,620 71 00:06:32,620 --> 00:06:36,780 72 00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:42,180 73 00:06:42,180 --> 00:06:46,291 74 00:06:46,291 --> 00:06:51,170 75 00:06:51,170 --> 00:06:59,000 76 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,251 77 00:07:03,251 --> 00:07:09,020 78 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:14,890 79 00:07:14,890 --> 00:07:20,360 80 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,610 81 00:07:25,610 --> 00:07:29,690 82 00:07:29,690 --> 00:07:37,100 83 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:42,400 84 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:48,270 85 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:52,290 86 00:07:52,290 --> 00:07:57,250 87 00:07:57,250 --> 00:08:01,430 88 00:08:01,430 --> 00:08:06,400 89 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:13,000 90 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:20,110 91 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