WEBVTT 00:00:07.500 --> 00:00:14.369 the 2015 polyglot gathering is brought 00:00:10.860 --> 00:00:16.670 to you by I talkie become fluent in any 00:00:14.369 --> 00:00:16.670 language 00:00:16.820 --> 00:00:24.660 ever Gaja on more games non mahir nobody 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:30.929 gets people going actually when I start 00:00:24.660 --> 00:00:32.250 singing my dulcet tones okay so thank 00:00:30.929 --> 00:00:34.170 you all for for coming 00:00:32.250 --> 00:00:37.440 I feel very lucky to have so many people 00:00:34.170 --> 00:00:38.430 in the room and so some of you are 00:00:37.440 --> 00:00:40.260 probably sitting in this audience 00:00:38.430 --> 00:00:42.750 thinking I'm not I need to finger of 00:00:40.260 --> 00:00:45.000 English what the hell am I doing here 00:00:42.750 --> 00:00:51.060 hands are fifty fall into that category 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:52.500 Oh actually okay not as many as I 00:00:51.060 --> 00:00:57.120 thought so they probably all gone to 00:00:52.500 --> 00:01:00.920 somewhere else more interesting so in 00:00:57.120 --> 00:01:00.920 case you didn't recognize me this is me 00:01:01.430 --> 00:01:06.960 my name is Richardson cop for those of 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:09.509 you don't know who I am and then I quite 00:01:06.960 --> 00:01:13.380 like languages and that's why I'm here 00:01:09.509 --> 00:01:15.630 today and these are a few the things 00:01:13.380 --> 00:01:17.580 that I'm engaged in online speaking 00:01:15.630 --> 00:01:20.370 fluently actually the Facebook page is 00:01:17.580 --> 00:01:22.170 probably more active and the polyglot 00:01:20.370 --> 00:01:23.790 workshops and polyglot conference which 00:01:22.170 --> 00:01:27.510 I'm sure some of you in the room may 00:01:23.790 --> 00:01:28.979 have heard of and but my story today 00:01:27.510 --> 00:01:30.510 about learning language is a native 00:01:28.979 --> 00:01:34.380 English speaker that doesn't actually 00:01:30.510 --> 00:01:38.070 just hold true for speakers of English 00:01:34.380 --> 00:01:39.690 as a native language it actually goes 00:01:38.070 --> 00:01:42.510 beyond the borders of other countries as 00:01:39.690 --> 00:01:44.780 well where there's a dominant single 00:01:42.510 --> 00:01:47.340 language and they don't tend to learn 00:01:44.780 --> 00:01:50.159 many of the languages or any of the 00:01:47.340 --> 00:01:52.920 languages so hopefully they'll be 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:54.930 relevance in this for other people the 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:57.590 idea and the goal for me is to actually 00:01:54.930 --> 00:02:00.750 explain some of the difficulties in 00:01:57.590 --> 00:02:02.580 learning languages for people from these 00:02:00.750 --> 00:02:03.860 countries particularly from my 00:02:02.580 --> 00:02:05.990 experience as a native English speaker 00:02:03.860 --> 00:02:10.340 that from the United Kingdom 00:02:05.990 --> 00:02:12.720 and I hope that it will help to make 00:02:10.340 --> 00:02:16.290 people and/or understand and be more 00:02:12.720 --> 00:02:18.510 aware of of those difficulties so they 00:02:16.290 --> 00:02:19.569 can help language learners when they're 00:02:18.510 --> 00:02:21.400 speaking to them 00:02:19.569 --> 00:02:25.959 so that's the the goal for me for this 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:29.560 talk but let me just demonstrate what I 00:02:25.959 --> 00:02:31.750 mean by this not being true just for 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:36.700 native English speakers and for other 00:02:31.750 --> 00:02:39.489 people with a little story so a Spanish 00:02:36.700 --> 00:02:42.989 man walks into a clothes shop in London 00:02:39.489 --> 00:02:46.510 and he goes he wants to buy some socks 00:02:42.989 --> 00:02:48.340 so he walks in he says I'll allow one at 00:02:46.510 --> 00:02:51.420 the EM get a comparable didn't I put 00:02:48.340 --> 00:02:55.359 forward he's from the south of Spain and 00:02:51.420 --> 00:02:58.359 then the shopkeeper looks for in case 00:02:55.359 --> 00:02:59.019 I'm sorry I don't understand what you're 00:02:58.359 --> 00:03:03.370 talking about 00:02:59.019 --> 00:03:06.090 it's red posh and Spanish guys like 00:03:03.370 --> 00:03:09.209 quiero comprar una cadena sport for 00:03:06.090 --> 00:03:12.700 speaking out a little more clearly and 00:03:09.209 --> 00:03:14.650 the English guys well it's a closed shop 00:03:12.700 --> 00:03:17.139 so it's gonna want clothes isn't he so 00:03:14.650 --> 00:03:19.629 comes back with a shirt he goes no no no 00:03:17.139 --> 00:03:20.639 no no es una camisa yo quiero calafate 00:03:19.629 --> 00:03:23.560 Ynez por favor 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:25.299 see okay pop see wrong so comes back 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.040 with a pair of trousers no no no no no 00:03:25.299 --> 00:03:30.849 es un pantalones 00:03:27.040 --> 00:03:32.169 yo quiero calcetines por favor see Chris 00:03:30.849 --> 00:03:35.440 back again eventually comes back with a 00:03:32.169 --> 00:03:37.090 pair of socks he goes s o ck s because 00:03:35.440 --> 00:03:38.109 we bloody knew how to spell it in 00:03:37.090 --> 00:03:48.549 English why don't you do that in the 00:03:38.109 --> 00:03:50.199 first place so as you can see this isn't 00:03:48.549 --> 00:03:56.109 a thing just for the native English 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:58.569 speakers so one thing that we always 00:03:56.109 --> 00:04:02.709 hear is what you call somebody who 00:03:58.569 --> 00:04:06.849 speaks many languages what we call them 00:04:02.709 --> 00:04:08.769 oh yeah first one up that was very good 00:04:06.849 --> 00:04:10.510 who would have known you'd have said 00:04:08.769 --> 00:04:16.199 that first Oh 00:04:10.510 --> 00:04:18.430 multilingual or Luxembourgish right 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:22.889 representing the looks and burgers how 00:04:18.430 --> 00:04:24.120 many in the room there we go 00:04:22.889 --> 00:04:28.110 they don't need to be here they're 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:32.189 already experts what you call somebody 00:04:28.110 --> 00:04:33.330 who speaks two or three languages well 00:04:32.189 --> 00:04:34.680 there we go look at this 00:04:33.330 --> 00:04:38.430 bilingual it's like you wrote these 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:43.349 flies it's amazing okay I'll go thinking 00:04:38.430 --> 00:04:44.939 man thana but saying Apple and what do 00:04:43.349 --> 00:04:51.740 you call someone who speaks one language 00:04:44.939 --> 00:04:51.740 I love it it's like you really seriously 00:04:52.370 --> 00:05:02.400 oestrogen and there's a lovely flag that 00:04:56.819 --> 00:05:04.349 I found thank you google okay so but why 00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:06.060 why do English natives find it so hard 00:05:04.349 --> 00:05:08.819 to learn language why why is that a 00:05:06.060 --> 00:05:10.500 problem well through this presentation I 00:05:08.819 --> 00:05:16.069 wanted to discuss the following things 00:05:10.500 --> 00:05:21.210 grammar vocab accent pronunciation 00:05:16.069 --> 00:05:22.650 practice picking a language oops and 00:05:21.210 --> 00:05:24.349 we'll start with grammar but let's just 00:05:22.650 --> 00:05:29.460 look through that quickly 00:05:24.349 --> 00:05:30.990 whoa so these are all aspects of what 00:05:29.460 --> 00:05:32.460 makes it difficult and as I say this 00:05:30.990 --> 00:05:33.779 applies not just to native English 00:05:32.460 --> 00:05:35.580 speakers but to other people as well 00:05:33.779 --> 00:05:39.020 people who are native speakers of other 00:05:35.580 --> 00:05:41.430 languages but why why is this problem 00:05:39.020 --> 00:05:43.710 well from my point of view speaking as a 00:05:41.430 --> 00:05:46.339 native English speaker born and raised 00:05:43.710 --> 00:05:46.339 in the United Kingdom 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:51.899 grama is a problem because in English we 00:05:49.169 --> 00:05:54.120 don't have gender in the same way as we 00:05:51.899 --> 00:05:57.689 do in other languages so when you get to 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:59.729 Loula in French lessons and people say 00:05:57.689 --> 00:06:01.050 the wrong gender and then you get to 00:05:59.729 --> 00:06:05.849 German you think okay I've cracked this 00:06:01.050 --> 00:06:08.520 gender with French okay it's lawful as 00:06:05.849 --> 00:06:09.629 you see nota an old form yep a problema 00:06:08.520 --> 00:06:14.009 Mia 00:06:09.629 --> 00:06:15.779 duh skinned vow home why is it neuter 00:06:14.009 --> 00:06:18.750 why is it then change gender in German 00:06:15.779 --> 00:06:20.399 all of this is kind of weird for native 00:06:18.750 --> 00:06:21.479 English speakers and you often hear that 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.419 they'll make mistakes with the gender 00:06:21.479 --> 00:06:26.669 because it's for this reason but this 00:06:24.419 --> 00:06:28.680 also applies to finish speakers to 00:06:26.669 --> 00:06:33.150 Turkish speakers who don't have gender 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:35.850 as well in their languages verbs 00:06:33.150 --> 00:06:37.680 English speakers fluff the verbs that 00:06:35.850 --> 00:06:40.020 they already have and they don't change 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:44.160 that much anyway and through the the 00:06:40.020 --> 00:06:48.660 pronoun so you know I see you see he 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:50.730 sees oh wow big change but you know then 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:54.780 you get to some of the Latin languages 00:06:50.730 --> 00:06:56.400 and the changes are huge they are 00:06:54.780 --> 00:07:02.639 there's beer very much 00:06:56.400 --> 00:07:07.020 etc etc etc in case oh I love the 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:12.470 reaction in the roof who likes cases you 00:07:07.020 --> 00:07:14.520 sick sick sick individuals seriously 00:07:12.470 --> 00:07:16.500 there is something we can do for you 00:07:14.520 --> 00:07:18.810 later it's in the back room I think 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:20.610 there's a talk on Esperanto it's only 00:07:18.810 --> 00:07:24.210 got one case so you'll be quite happy 00:07:20.610 --> 00:07:27.840 but it will make it a lot easier ok 00:07:24.210 --> 00:07:30.479 grammatical rules and terminology when I 00:07:27.840 --> 00:07:33.419 went to university in the UK I went to 00:07:30.479 --> 00:07:35.600 study languages so who here thinks that 00:07:33.419 --> 00:07:38.460 language students tend to be quite good 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:41.910 at grammatical terminology and what 00:07:38.460 --> 00:07:43.680 things mean and getting nods you see 00:07:41.910 --> 00:07:44.970 it's the wrong audience for these things 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:48.360 people going yeah definitely they're all 00:07:44.970 --> 00:07:50.430 fantastic one of the first things that 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:53.510 they did is took us all aside and said 00:07:50.430 --> 00:07:55.590 ok we need to teach you English grammar 00:07:53.510 --> 00:07:57.780 because you don't get taught it in the 00:07:55.590 --> 00:07:59.970 school in the UK you're not taught 00:07:57.780 --> 00:08:02.130 English grammar in the same way as you 00:07:59.970 --> 00:08:03.660 you're taught French grammar or German 00:08:02.130 --> 00:08:05.970 grammar so often you have a better 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:09.210 understanding of of a foreign languages 00:08:05.970 --> 00:08:11.970 grammar than you will of your own but 00:08:09.210 --> 00:08:13.650 that isn't that actually is is it is a 00:08:11.970 --> 00:08:16.080 problem because when you get to things 00:08:13.650 --> 00:08:19.110 like cases if you don't know what a 00:08:16.080 --> 00:08:21.660 direct object is then the accusative 00:08:19.110 --> 00:08:24.840 sounds really strange or an indirect 00:08:21.660 --> 00:08:28.889 object or who here is taught and what a 00:08:24.840 --> 00:08:31.039 verb is by saying it's a doing word what 00:08:28.889 --> 00:08:34.130 does that mean 00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:37.589 none of these or nouns and naming word 00:08:34.130 --> 00:08:38.760 ok and then you give a few examples that 00:08:37.589 --> 00:08:42.360 you need to write down in a test right 00:08:38.760 --> 00:08:48.780 that's it then you get to the vocabulary 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:49.860 and it's vast it's often exotic unless 00:08:48.780 --> 00:08:54.720 you're talking about French and then 00:08:49.860 --> 00:08:55.770 it's basically 60% of English ok and 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:59.370 this is my picture that I took in 00:08:55.770 --> 00:09:02.880 Albania just want to show you and such 00:08:59.370 --> 00:09:04.800 an attention [ __ ] that's terrible but 00:09:02.880 --> 00:09:07.800 it there the idea is the vastness you 00:09:04.800 --> 00:09:10.230 get me yet the imagery right but it is 00:09:07.800 --> 00:09:12.990 its vast I mean if you look at language 00:09:10.230 --> 00:09:14.490 and who has had people come up to you 00:09:12.990 --> 00:09:19.230 say ok I speak French or I speak German 00:09:14.490 --> 00:09:21.839 they go oh so you know everything right 00:09:19.230 --> 00:09:23.520 I get that all the time so so what's the 00:09:21.839 --> 00:09:26.730 word for this and then they'd like to 00:09:23.520 --> 00:09:27.810 test you so you can translate it but 00:09:26.730 --> 00:09:29.190 actually what they don't realize and 00:09:27.810 --> 00:09:31.100 what you don't realize yourself as a 00:09:29.190 --> 00:09:33.270 native speaker of a language is that 00:09:31.100 --> 00:09:35.130 sometimes what you need to do is a sort 00:09:33.270 --> 00:09:37.589 of a mind flip when you talk about 00:09:35.130 --> 00:09:39.030 vocabulary so you don't always have the 00:09:37.589 --> 00:09:40.459 words in the language that you're 00:09:39.030 --> 00:09:42.959 learning or language you're speaking 00:09:40.459 --> 00:09:45.060 just to give you an example I live in 00:09:42.959 --> 00:09:48.030 the Republic of Macedonia Macedonian is 00:09:45.060 --> 00:09:52.400 my home language but there's no word for 00:09:48.030 --> 00:09:55.380 bookmark they sell them they have them 00:09:52.400 --> 00:09:58.500 but there's no real word that people 00:09:55.380 --> 00:10:01.550 that use for bookmark there's no real 00:09:58.500 --> 00:10:03.810 word that everybody uses for chives 00:10:01.550 --> 00:10:05.550 there are these kind of bits of 00:10:03.810 --> 00:10:09.060 vocabulary that you want to say and then 00:10:05.550 --> 00:10:13.200 you don't really have a word so you have 00:10:09.060 --> 00:10:14.790 to bend your mind to express things in a 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.000 way that the natives will understand and 00:10:14.790 --> 00:10:20.130 that is one of the big stumbling blocks 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.470 for native English speakers because 00:10:20.130 --> 00:10:24.660 we're used to dominating with exact 00:10:22.470 --> 00:10:26.430 precision what we want to say and how we 00:10:24.660 --> 00:10:30.360 want to say it and you can't always do 00:10:26.430 --> 00:10:33.750 it the exotic thing relates to the 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:35.520 sounds or how the word is made and and 00:10:33.750 --> 00:10:37.050 and whether it trips off the tongue 00:10:35.520 --> 00:10:39.089 whether it's easy to pronounce it can 00:10:37.050 --> 00:10:41.370 just sound weird to native English 00:10:39.089 --> 00:10:44.400 speakers and it can be confusing because 00:10:41.370 --> 00:10:46.680 sometimes very small change 00:10:44.400 --> 00:10:48.320 in a word means something completely 00:10:46.680 --> 00:10:50.670 different 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.500 there's anyone got any good examples of 00:10:50.670 --> 00:10:54.450 words that they've heard there's a word 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:55.710 for Cheers in Hungarian and a word that 00:10:54.450 --> 00:11:01.470 means something very different that's 00:10:55.710 --> 00:11:04.500 very close yes what is it come over and 00:11:01.470 --> 00:11:06.360 speak a con come on I take I take active 00:11:04.500 --> 00:11:09.210 volunteers you can come up you've just 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:16.710 volunteered by saying it now here we go 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:19.860 I know you love this I guess you gather 00:11:16.710 --> 00:11:22.940 - eggy zeg editor I guess sugar is 00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:22.940 choosing their gates check out those 00:11:23.210 --> 00:11:36.660 like to spank your ass person like that 00:11:28.070 --> 00:11:38.040 so look that's one Thank You Vlad okay 00:11:36.660 --> 00:11:41.940 thank you very much kissing him seven 00:11:38.040 --> 00:11:43.800 and one of the typical things I used to 00:11:41.940 --> 00:11:47.490 hear when I was at school as a school 00:11:43.800 --> 00:11:51.990 boy and in French was merci beaucoup 00:11:47.490 --> 00:11:55.620 instead of merci beaucoup so one is 00:11:51.990 --> 00:11:59.250 thank you beautiful bum and this leads 00:11:55.620 --> 00:12:01.730 me on to accent to pronunciation so 00:11:59.250 --> 00:12:05.310 especially for native English speakers 00:12:01.730 --> 00:12:08.310 but also again for other speakers of 00:12:05.310 --> 00:12:10.920 other languages this is true and there's 00:12:08.310 --> 00:12:13.110 kind of a sounding weird saying these 00:12:10.920 --> 00:12:16.410 things like saying these weird sounds 00:12:13.110 --> 00:12:18.839 that you sound it sounds a bit strange 00:12:16.410 --> 00:12:20.459 and to go and get it into the right word 00:12:18.839 --> 00:12:22.940 at the right time and then not 00:12:20.459 --> 00:12:25.890 overcompensate and say Mel C book you is 00:12:22.940 --> 00:12:28.680 not always easy for for a native English 00:12:25.890 --> 00:12:31.650 speaker because they don't always relate 00:12:28.680 --> 00:12:34.920 to okay how do I actually use this and 00:12:31.650 --> 00:12:35.670 make it sound normal and then when 00:12:34.920 --> 00:12:37.560 you're in a classroom environment 00:12:35.670 --> 00:12:40.800 especially at school you can be seen as 00:12:37.560 --> 00:12:43.260 putting on the talk so if you're the 00:12:40.800 --> 00:12:45.270 only child well where I grew up there's 00:12:43.260 --> 00:12:46.920 kind of a mix of accents but if you 00:12:45.270 --> 00:12:49.200 imagine a school in Liverpool with a 00:12:46.920 --> 00:12:51.900 learning French and they say yeah 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:54.279 bonjour je m'appelle Richards and just 00:12:51.900 --> 00:12:57.519 SWE's to Liverpool 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.720 your pal fronts area beyond and I've 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:01.089 just gone over to Yorkshire by the way 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.920 sorry but then the point is you've got 00:13:01.089 --> 00:13:04.959 this local accent and then you're the 00:13:02.920 --> 00:13:07.569 only kid that goes boardroom a perfect 00:13:04.959 --> 00:13:09.999 shot and the other kids can start 00:13:07.569 --> 00:13:12.430 laughing at you because they think oh my 00:13:09.999 --> 00:13:15.370 god what are you doing it's it's like 00:13:12.430 --> 00:13:17.559 you're giving up your identity so when I 00:13:15.370 --> 00:13:18.309 talk about prestige accents and keeping 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.740 your identity 00:13:18.309 --> 00:13:22.629 it doesn't mean you sound posh and you 00:13:20.740 --> 00:13:24.579 sounds sort of all highfalutin in your 00:13:22.629 --> 00:13:26.879 language what it actually refers to is 00:13:24.579 --> 00:13:30.430 the group language the pack language and 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:32.079 that is the accent and that's the 00:13:30.430 --> 00:13:33.999 vocabulary that you use so as soon as 00:13:32.079 --> 00:13:36.879 you move away from that especially in a 00:13:33.999 --> 00:13:40.360 language society like the English 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:42.339 language in the world where we very much 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:46.240 judge people on their accents from the 00:13:42.339 --> 00:13:48.370 standard to where they're from it can 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.559 take you away from that group and it can 00:13:48.370 --> 00:13:52.360 it can make you feel isolated or people 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:55.120 can make you feel isolated because of it 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:58.629 so sometimes it's a badge that you wear 00:13:55.120 --> 00:14:01.240 with pride this strong accent and you 00:13:58.629 --> 00:14:04.120 think it's fun to do it especially as 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:06.759 kids when we will learn the numbers in 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:08.589 French I remember I had to go through 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:11.050 the basics of French even though I'd 00:14:08.589 --> 00:14:12.670 studied it as a smaller child I had to 00:14:11.050 --> 00:14:15.189 go through it with with my peers and 00:14:12.670 --> 00:14:17.819 they were they got through the numbers 00:14:15.189 --> 00:14:23.370 and they were going on dicks twice, 00:14:17.819 --> 00:14:23.370 Quattro Cinque six 00:14:23.630 --> 00:14:36.740 tweet nerf dicks and that was hilarious 00:14:31.569 --> 00:14:38.509 still is actually my mum came over to 00:14:36.740 --> 00:14:41.240 actually talking on this my mum came 00:14:38.509 --> 00:14:44.300 over to visit me in Poland when I was 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:45.649 staying there in Poznan and I've got 00:14:44.300 --> 00:14:47.449 into this really weird mindset if I 00:14:45.649 --> 00:14:50.600 don't see the natural English link 00:14:47.449 --> 00:14:54.199 always straight away so who here knows 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:56.779 polish okay so it was a place where you 00:14:54.199 --> 00:14:59.089 sell alcohol in Poland and it will have 00:14:56.779 --> 00:15:06.110 written alcohol oh yeah 00:14:59.089 --> 00:15:08.120 in Polish my 24 alcoholic yeah and my 00:15:06.110 --> 00:15:11.480 mum came over he's a native speaker of 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:12.860 English too and monolingual and she said 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:22.519 I wasn't that really clever they've 00:15:12.860 --> 00:15:24.199 called it the alcohol so then practicing 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:25.880 the language so you know this is a thing 00:15:24.199 --> 00:15:29.269 that native English speakers have a real 00:15:25.880 --> 00:15:31.639 issue with everybody speaks English 00:15:29.269 --> 00:15:34.310 everyone I mean that they want to speak 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:37.819 it they want to practice and this can be 00:15:34.310 --> 00:15:41.259 an issue and the level of English in the 00:15:37.819 --> 00:15:45.500 target languages language etiquette and 00:15:41.259 --> 00:15:49.130 reactions so just to explain some of 00:15:45.500 --> 00:15:51.380 what I've written on on here and who 00:15:49.130 --> 00:15:53.000 here has been in a situation where you 00:15:51.380 --> 00:15:56.750 want to learn the language you go to the 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:59.509 country and then it goes and yeah you 00:15:56.750 --> 00:16:01.550 get your your Dutch is very good sir 00:15:59.509 --> 00:16:03.920 sure it's really where were you from in 00:16:01.550 --> 00:16:07.040 England I 00:16:03.920 --> 00:16:10.639 okay explain a longsword this curve a 00:16:07.040 --> 00:16:13.189 fairly man a Lanza and the but they look 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.529 in the game yes but I think is probably 00:16:13.189 --> 00:16:20.630 easier in English right 00:16:15.529 --> 00:16:22.759 and then it's not that they always want 00:16:20.630 --> 00:16:24.860 to force you to speak English it's that 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.930 they enjoy it and sometimes it's native 00:16:24.860 --> 00:16:28.639 English because we forget this and you 00:16:26.930 --> 00:16:30.680 can get offended as I need to English 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:33.199 speaker as well because you think oh god 00:16:30.680 --> 00:16:35.449 they won't even let me speak but it's 00:16:33.199 --> 00:16:37.370 not always the case so from the one side 00:16:35.449 --> 00:16:38.900 they're trying to make your life easier 00:16:37.370 --> 00:16:41.540 by speaking English because they know 00:16:38.900 --> 00:16:44.060 that you're not going to stress but from 00:16:41.540 --> 00:16:46.520 the other side you're seeing is Wow is 00:16:44.060 --> 00:16:48.110 it really that bad that I can't even 00:16:46.520 --> 00:16:49.520 speak to you for more than five minutes 00:16:48.110 --> 00:16:53.210 without you turning this conversation 00:16:49.520 --> 00:16:56.180 into English and it leaves the English 00:16:53.210 --> 00:17:01.070 speaker feeling very sad disappointed 00:16:56.180 --> 00:17:03.200 and bit embarrassed and oh dear maybe I 00:17:01.070 --> 00:17:06.290 should just not bother everyone speaks 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.610 English and the level of English does 00:17:06.290 --> 00:17:10.550 play a part because sometimes when you 00:17:07.610 --> 00:17:13.670 go when I went to Poland the level of 00:17:10.550 --> 00:17:15.260 English is generally quite low compared 00:17:13.670 --> 00:17:17.270 to say the Netherlands or Sweden or 00:17:15.260 --> 00:17:20.140 Norway or Iceland or somewhere like that 00:17:17.270 --> 00:17:23.120 where I'd say the average level is a b2 00:17:20.140 --> 00:17:24.890 upper echelons of a b2 whereas in 00:17:23.120 --> 00:17:27.020 somewhere like Poland it's probably an 00:17:24.890 --> 00:17:29.240 a2 level the functional they get by is 00:17:27.020 --> 00:17:31.490 you can go to Poland n' and talk to 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:34.130 people generally but you can quite 00:17:31.490 --> 00:17:36.110 quickly overcome like Alex was talking 00:17:34.130 --> 00:17:37.790 about yesterday you know when you get to 00:17:36.110 --> 00:17:39.980 that level you can then quite easily 00:17:37.790 --> 00:17:41.510 just speak in the target language that's 00:17:39.980 --> 00:17:45.770 more difficult for some languages than 00:17:41.510 --> 00:17:47.030 others and that can be intimidating but 00:17:45.770 --> 00:17:48.500 as a native English speaker as well 00:17:47.030 --> 00:17:51.170 we're always very used to having the 00:17:48.500 --> 00:17:54.170 upper hand and we use this to our 00:17:51.170 --> 00:17:55.460 advantage of course because you can 00:17:54.170 --> 00:17:57.940 dominate a conversation very easily 00:17:55.460 --> 00:18:00.110 because you have a rich vocabulary 00:17:57.940 --> 00:18:02.480 automatically because you is you're an 00:18:00.110 --> 00:18:04.700 educated native speaker of English you 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:07.010 know you you're used to learning how to 00:18:04.700 --> 00:18:10.820 debate or or talk or put your points 00:18:07.010 --> 00:18:12.020 across in a very eloquent way whereas if 00:18:10.820 --> 00:18:14.420 you've learned English as a foreign 00:18:12.020 --> 00:18:16.610 language then naturally it's more of a 00:18:14.420 --> 00:18:18.410 struggle to get to that stage so as a 00:18:16.610 --> 00:18:20.570 native English speaker you can get 00:18:18.410 --> 00:18:22.520 complacent with this ability to express 00:18:20.570 --> 00:18:25.250 yourself without any boundaries and 00:18:22.520 --> 00:18:28.150 sometimes actually the practicing the 00:18:25.250 --> 00:18:30.770 language is an issue internally because 00:18:28.150 --> 00:18:32.510 you feel restricted for all the reasons 00:18:30.770 --> 00:18:34.960 we talked about before of grammar 00:18:32.510 --> 00:18:36.830 vocabulary that you don't have the same 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:40.310 domination of the language that you do 00:18:36.830 --> 00:18:42.380 in English but then also some of the 00:18:40.310 --> 00:18:43.910 things come into place language 00:18:42.380 --> 00:18:47.559 etiquette has anybody heard me talk 00:18:43.910 --> 00:18:49.749 about language etiquette before no 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:53.110 for me there is a real strict language 00:18:49.749 --> 00:18:54.580 etiquette that goes on with learning a 00:18:53.110 --> 00:18:57.159 language or speaking a language and 00:18:54.580 --> 00:18:59.470 practicing a language and it relates to 00:18:57.159 --> 00:18:59.950 where you are and what you're doing in 00:18:59.470 --> 00:19:03.220 who it's with 00:18:59.950 --> 00:19:06.340 so for me personally if I'm sitting at 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:09.279 home in the United Kingdom and a German 00:19:06.340 --> 00:19:13.120 or a Spaniard or whoever else walks up 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:16.570 to me and speaks to me in English maybe 00:19:13.120 --> 00:19:17.679 a low level of English but my instant 00:19:16.570 --> 00:19:19.899 reaction is not to go 00:19:17.679 --> 00:19:22.509 I had vamos vamos all learn it but 00:19:19.899 --> 00:19:25.960 you're not because I know how that feels 00:19:22.509 --> 00:19:28.389 from the other side so I sit there and I 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.889 okay let's speak slowly take this slowly 00:19:28.389 --> 00:19:33.070 and help them out because they're making 00:19:29.889 --> 00:19:34.360 an effort to speak my language so this 00:19:33.070 --> 00:19:36.850 is the thing that native English 00:19:34.360 --> 00:19:38.379 speakers don't always get abroad because 00:19:36.850 --> 00:19:41.759 the reactions are what the hell are you 00:19:38.379 --> 00:19:47.769 learning my language for this is Iceland 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:49.600 well the people is I want 300,000 you 00:19:47.769 --> 00:19:51.039 get it in all sorts of places waiting 00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:52.720 whales as well sometimes you'll get it 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:55.869 where people you know a native English 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:58.240 we call them Welsh and it's like why 00:19:55.869 --> 00:20:00.789 you're speaking Welsh it's like you can 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:03.059 just be English in Wales some people are 00:20:00.789 --> 00:20:05.049 now the attitudes are changing slightly 00:20:03.059 --> 00:20:06.249 especially because of immigration and 00:20:05.049 --> 00:20:08.019 people wanting people to immigrate to 00:20:06.249 --> 00:20:11.529 assimilate into the culture so they 00:20:08.019 --> 00:20:13.779 don't know always but the the language 00:20:11.529 --> 00:20:15.639 etiquette of speaking the language of 00:20:13.779 --> 00:20:19.029 the country you're in I think should 00:20:15.639 --> 00:20:20.980 hold true so when I'm abroad I don't 00:20:19.029 --> 00:20:22.840 feel the need to have to speak English 00:20:20.980 --> 00:20:25.440 to accommodate somebody if they want to 00:20:22.840 --> 00:20:28.960 just practice their English but I can 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:30.789 compromise I can be nice about it yeah 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.330 visit Yeti and Iceland each kind of toy 00:20:30.789 --> 00:20:34.269 train 00:20:31.330 --> 00:20:38.019 you must be linked nor English bleedin 00:20:34.269 --> 00:20:40.450 either your masters I need NICs hours 00:20:38.019 --> 00:20:42.340 each mine explosions or weasel fish pond 00:20:40.450 --> 00:20:45.820 to house on does this me you have kind 00:20:42.340 --> 00:20:48.820 image manage can often low English so I 00:20:45.820 --> 00:20:51.369 don't really worry so much personally 00:20:48.820 --> 00:20:52.960 anymore I used to when I was learning 00:20:51.369 --> 00:20:54.940 the languages but now I live in in 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.470 Skopje with my with my wife and my 00:20:54.940 --> 00:20:58.149 daughter we speak five languages at home 00:20:56.470 --> 00:21:00.710 on a daily basis and then other 00:20:58.149 --> 00:21:02.480 languages outside I don't worry so much 00:21:00.710 --> 00:21:05.929 but I understand why people do and and 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:07.130 it is important to show that support for 00:21:05.929 --> 00:21:12.010 people learning your language 00:21:07.130 --> 00:21:14.179 the reactions actually in 00:21:12.010 --> 00:21:16.850 english-speaking countries particularly 00:21:14.179 --> 00:21:18.770 the UK there is soft and very strong 00:21:16.850 --> 00:21:23.330 reaction against speaking a foreign 00:21:18.770 --> 00:21:27.110 language socially it's I'm not going to 00:21:23.330 --> 00:21:28.700 say unacceptable but people and do do 00:21:27.110 --> 00:21:31.730 have a reaction Polish people definitely 00:21:28.700 --> 00:21:33.320 pick up on it in the UK and a lot more 00:21:31.730 --> 00:21:35.510 reluctant men to speak Polish to 00:21:33.320 --> 00:21:37.640 somebody who's not Polish speaking in 00:21:35.510 --> 00:21:40.190 public as well sometimes they feel the 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:42.100 eyes going to them what are you talking 00:21:40.190 --> 00:21:45.409 about you're talking about me aren't you 00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:46.039 foreigner and I've experienced this 00:21:45.409 --> 00:21:48.580 myself 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:50.779 and as a native British person and 00:21:48.580 --> 00:21:53.450 you're growing up speaking English as a 00:21:50.779 --> 00:21:56.510 first language when my wife and I moved 00:21:53.450 --> 00:21:57.980 to the UK to live for 3 years and we've 00:21:56.510 --> 00:22:01.070 only ever spoken Macedonian at home 00:21:57.980 --> 00:22:02.990 we've never used English when we went 00:22:01.070 --> 00:22:07.190 out into the city this is my home city 00:22:02.990 --> 00:22:08.720 of Chester and people actually almost 00:22:07.190 --> 00:22:10.370 psychologically there's a psychological 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:12.320 barrier to refuse to believe that I was 00:22:10.370 --> 00:22:16.130 really British because they heard me 00:22:12.320 --> 00:22:17.870 speaking Polish Slavic language it 00:22:16.130 --> 00:22:20.169 sounds lovak and the amount of people 00:22:17.870 --> 00:22:22.460 that came up to me in the UK to say 00:22:20.169 --> 00:22:28.039 excuse me at which language you speaking 00:22:22.460 --> 00:22:31.669 there and I'd say Macedonian okay you're 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:35.419 not polish then I thought you polish no 00:22:31.669 --> 00:22:40.010 I'm actually British no and you're 00:22:35.419 --> 00:22:43.190 speaking Macedonian because and people 00:22:40.010 --> 00:22:46.390 actually did this to me it's been in the 00:22:43.190 --> 00:22:50.029 curious realms to the blatant rude 00:22:46.390 --> 00:22:52.059 realms and it's it's a strange it's a 00:22:50.029 --> 00:22:55.460 strange thing to see of your own country 00:22:52.059 --> 00:22:56.720 so you think you know people have these 00:22:55.460 --> 00:22:58.940 great reactions all you speak all these 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.649 languages fantastic but sometimes the 00:22:58.940 --> 00:23:02.630 reality of speaking all these languages 00:23:00.649 --> 00:23:05.090 it actually makes people a bit 00:23:02.630 --> 00:23:06.799 suspicious sometimes and why would you 00:23:05.090 --> 00:23:08.029 do it why would you actually speak all 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:10.559 these languages why would you speak it 00:23:08.029 --> 00:23:13.049 in front of me when I can't understand 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:15.419 and and it goes back to the language 00:23:13.049 --> 00:23:19.740 etiquette as well it's like hmm there's 00:23:15.419 --> 00:23:23.610 a tight sort of line to tread with with 00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:25.769 these kinds of things and you know I've 00:23:23.610 --> 00:23:27.539 had people say all sorts all sorts of 00:23:25.769 --> 00:23:29.820 things the only language in the UK that 00:23:27.539 --> 00:23:32.999 I found got really positive reactions 00:23:29.820 --> 00:23:35.340 generally was French because it's seen 00:23:32.999 --> 00:23:40.440 as a as either a cultural equal or 00:23:35.340 --> 00:23:43.440 slightly posh still but and the other 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:45.419 language is Spanish and German so so but 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:47.759 but speaking a Slavic language was 00:23:45.419 --> 00:23:51.240 definitely I got more negative reactions 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:52.919 and positive unfortunately so that comes 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.539 takes me to picking languages so how do 00:23:52.919 --> 00:23:56.879 you actually pick the languages you want 00:23:54.539 --> 00:23:57.749 to speak bearing in mind all of this you 00:23:56.879 --> 00:24:00.360 know the thing that we're talking about 00:23:57.749 --> 00:24:02.220 a you know pronunciation how easy it is 00:24:00.360 --> 00:24:04.950 for you to actually learn the vocabulary 00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:06.240 to learn the grammar to speak it for 00:24:04.950 --> 00:24:09.470 that to be then acceptable where you're 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:12.809 living to get the practice that you need 00:24:09.470 --> 00:24:16.230 well sometimes the languages are picked 00:24:12.809 --> 00:24:18.980 for you so you go to school you start 00:24:16.230 --> 00:24:21.629 and you have in the UK French German 00:24:18.980 --> 00:24:24.179 possibly Spanish or some other language 00:24:21.629 --> 00:24:26.039 that's quite commonly used and they're 00:24:24.179 --> 00:24:28.049 picked for four good reasons there 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:29.970 they're quite you know well spoken 00:24:28.049 --> 00:24:32.460 languages in the world and are useful 00:24:29.970 --> 00:24:37.110 for the job market later on so there is 00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:39.330 some some method to the madness but 00:24:37.110 --> 00:24:40.470 there are also these prestige languages 00:24:39.330 --> 00:24:42.059 that you think of you know people will 00:24:40.470 --> 00:24:43.769 talk about I want my child to speak this 00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:45.570 really good rationale or you get these 00:24:43.769 --> 00:24:47.669 you know posh private schools that will 00:24:45.570 --> 00:24:50.730 teach Japanese or Chinese because it's 00:24:47.669 --> 00:24:53.659 seen as a prestige language in addition 00:24:50.730 --> 00:24:56.940 to the prestige language of French and 00:24:53.659 --> 00:24:59.639 then there's heritage so in places like 00:24:56.940 --> 00:25:01.799 Wales you have to learn Welsh to some 00:24:59.639 --> 00:25:04.559 degree if it's is the first language or 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:05.850 a second language its I think now 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.080 they've changed it so you only learn it 00:25:05.850 --> 00:25:09.440 till about fourteen or something like 00:25:07.080 --> 00:25:11.940 that but you you have to do some Welsh 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:15.200 because it's obviously with the official 00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:18.659 language of the country next English and 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:19.710 but there's often a lot of stigma 00:25:18.659 --> 00:25:21.779 attached to some of these heritage 00:25:19.710 --> 00:25:24.809 language languages 00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:27.809 people don't want to seem different so 00:25:24.809 --> 00:25:29.309 I've met people who are either from 00:25:27.809 --> 00:25:32.639 Welsh extraction who are actually very 00:25:29.309 --> 00:25:36.509 against and the Welsh language I've met 00:25:32.639 --> 00:25:38.429 people who who speak languages from from 00:25:36.509 --> 00:25:41.099 India or penguin Bangladesh or Pakistan 00:25:38.429 --> 00:25:42.269 and their parents spoke them at home but 00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:45.509 they speak them with a very strong 00:25:42.269 --> 00:25:47.999 Yorkshire accent or but other regional 00:25:45.509 --> 00:25:50.489 accents and they become very British and 00:25:47.999 --> 00:25:51.690 it's it's not it's not that they shun 00:25:50.489 --> 00:25:54.059 the language because they use it at home 00:25:51.690 --> 00:25:56.279 but you you get these reactions of 00:25:54.059 --> 00:25:58.830 wanting to fit in so anyone seen East is 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:01.589 East it's a really good film in the UK 00:25:58.830 --> 00:26:03.869 British film that demonstrates this this 00:26:01.589 --> 00:26:09.960 struggle between a Pakistani father and 00:26:03.869 --> 00:26:12.029 a Yorkshire nun who and the children are 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:14.249 sort of caught between the two cultures 00:26:12.029 --> 00:26:16.080 I like what they're speaking and they go 00:26:14.249 --> 00:26:18.719 to they go and they read the Koran and 00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:20.609 they learn Arabic and they but they 00:26:18.719 --> 00:26:23.009 don't take the language so seriously 00:26:20.609 --> 00:26:25.259 because then I suppose the scene being 00:26:23.009 --> 00:26:27.779 seen is different to the local community 00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:30.929 and these are things that I find really 00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:32.879 quite sad because that the diversity and 00:26:30.929 --> 00:26:34.679 and actually having these these 00:26:32.879 --> 00:26:38.879 additional heritage things are really 00:26:34.679 --> 00:26:41.759 nice and and quite quite good for myself 00:26:38.879 --> 00:26:45.149 personally I actually I heard Welsh as a 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:47.519 child and nun and I always knew I grew 00:26:45.149 --> 00:26:50.279 up with speaking English but there were 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.839 always sort of elements of Welsh put 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:55.710 into the English as well like we knew 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:57.440 Qaeda gag shut your mouth you know 00:26:55.710 --> 00:26:59.849 lovely lovely little things like that 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:04.320 like the Irish people that learn point 00:26:59.849 --> 00:27:05.429 Mahorn yeah gets my bum but they learn 00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:06.450 all it's one of the first things that 00:27:05.429 --> 00:27:10.769 you learn right how'd you learn Irish 00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:12.149 and but the there are other things that 00:27:10.769 --> 00:27:14.969 motivate you learning languages I mean 00:27:12.149 --> 00:27:16.979 you know even in my later stages of 00:27:14.969 --> 00:27:19.249 language learning when I had who has 00:27:16.979 --> 00:27:21.599 language lists that they want to learn 00:27:19.249 --> 00:27:23.669 all right [ __ ] room isn't it's a 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:25.919 great audience for this and you've got 00:27:23.669 --> 00:27:27.559 like Burmese you got more so just 00:27:25.919 --> 00:27:30.029 because you can say it 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.369 Zulu all these fantastic languages that 00:27:30.029 --> 00:27:35.750 you'll probably not learn but you dream 00:27:32.369 --> 00:27:39.370 of it and never in my wildest dream 00:27:35.750 --> 00:27:43.130 did I ever put Macedonia on the list and 00:27:39.370 --> 00:27:45.380 because of this this last reason it's 00:27:43.130 --> 00:27:49.160 like one of the best languages that I 00:27:45.380 --> 00:27:53.150 speak and just because yeah not now my 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:55.510 family is half Macedonian and and we use 00:27:53.150 --> 00:28:00.080 it at home and we use it all the time 00:27:55.510 --> 00:28:01.520 the road ahead so the first one is the 00:28:00.080 --> 00:28:03.800 hardest the first language so anybody 00:28:01.520 --> 00:28:05.030 out there are notes like in this room 00:28:03.800 --> 00:28:07.160 it's like preaching to the converted 00:28:05.030 --> 00:28:08.630 right but there are people that look on 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:10.250 this on YouTube look at the video and 00:28:08.630 --> 00:28:13.310 they're struggling with the first 00:28:10.250 --> 00:28:14.900 language and I think bear in mind the 00:28:13.310 --> 00:28:16.820 first one is is often the hardest one to 00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:18.320 learn and people often come to you and 00:28:16.820 --> 00:28:24.020 say well isn't it really easy after that 00:28:18.320 --> 00:28:26.000 and yes it is no it isn't it is because 00:28:24.020 --> 00:28:27.050 once you've learned one you can imagine 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.320 what it's like to speak another language 00:28:27.050 --> 00:28:32.690 and I think that mindset and that 00:28:30.320 --> 00:28:34.850 ability to to consider what it is to 00:28:32.690 --> 00:28:39.020 speak another language stays with you 00:28:34.850 --> 00:28:40.190 then for further learning and the other 00:28:39.020 --> 00:28:41.570 thing that's really important when you 00:28:40.190 --> 00:28:43.970 learn a language is language bridges 00:28:41.570 --> 00:28:47.420 created so when you go through the 00:28:43.970 --> 00:28:49.940 process again grammatical terms often 00:28:47.420 --> 00:28:51.980 repeat themselves or have similarities 00:28:49.940 --> 00:28:54.530 you can you can sort of associate things 00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:56.360 better we go back to the vocabulary it 00:28:54.530 --> 00:28:59.150 doesn't seem as vast anymore I've learnt 00:28:56.360 --> 00:29:00.950 French now I'm going to Spanish oh okay 00:28:59.150 --> 00:29:04.040 it's quite a lot of words here are the 00:29:00.950 --> 00:29:06.230 same or even if you go to Turkish and I 00:29:04.040 --> 00:29:11.420 found lots and lots of French words in 00:29:06.230 --> 00:29:12.230 Turkish so what the hell and the same in 00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:14.600 Russian you know you get all these 00:29:12.230 --> 00:29:17.440 French words that go through because 00:29:14.600 --> 00:29:21.740 it's it was a it was the English of 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:23.990 before English times right it was French 00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:26.240 so it's permeated all of these different 00:29:23.990 --> 00:29:29.120 societies in different ways and and it 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.440 really helps my advice is always if 00:29:29.120 --> 00:29:32.780 you're a native English speaker learn 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.280 French it helps you with English it 00:29:32.780 --> 00:29:37.010 helps you understand English literature 00:29:34.280 --> 00:29:39.260 it helps you to expand your vocabulary 00:29:37.010 --> 00:29:40.580 without having to work very hard because 00:29:39.260 --> 00:29:42.230 you have French and you have a better 00:29:40.580 --> 00:29:43.910 vocabulary in your own native tongue and 00:29:42.230 --> 00:29:45.800 it's one of the reasons I chose French 00:29:43.910 --> 00:29:47.900 as a native language for my daughter as 00:29:45.800 --> 00:29:49.020 well because I knew that it would be 00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:53.520 really important 00:29:49.020 --> 00:29:54.809 and taking on new languages so when you 00:29:53.520 --> 00:29:56.100 when you've got all of this you've got 00:29:54.809 --> 00:29:58.890 this new mindset you've got all these 00:29:56.100 --> 00:30:00.570 links and bridges from the new language 00:29:58.890 --> 00:30:02.750 that you've learned then you don't feel 00:30:00.570 --> 00:30:05.340 so scared to take on a new language and 00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:08.390 you can also pretend that you're no 00:30:05.340 --> 00:30:08.390 longer a native English speaker 00:30:08.420 --> 00:30:14.880 an interesting thing actually on this 00:30:10.970 --> 00:30:17.429 link to some of the cultural things we 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:20.490 talked about in the UK my wife and I 00:30:17.429 --> 00:30:23.640 were in Scotland I was working on the 00:30:20.490 --> 00:30:28.410 Antarctic Treaty and we went to a 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:30.000 restaurant and the the the guy working 00:30:28.410 --> 00:30:32.790 there I came over to take our order and 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.170 he had he had a strong accent and at 00:30:32.790 --> 00:30:36.270 that time Polish people only started 00:30:34.170 --> 00:30:37.950 arriving into the UK so we weren't 00:30:36.270 --> 00:30:40.740 really clear we hadn't really been 00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:43.920 following you know the immigration that 00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:45.330 was to follow and I think Poland only 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:48.050 been here for a little bit of time so it 00:30:45.330 --> 00:30:50.910 was anything possible to come over and 00:30:48.050 --> 00:30:52.890 the guy was speaking this Slavic accent 00:30:50.910 --> 00:30:55.710 my wife and I was speaking in Macedonian 00:30:52.890 --> 00:30:57.600 and we said excuse me where are you from 00:30:55.710 --> 00:31:00.090 because we thought maybe there's a 00:30:57.600 --> 00:31:04.200 chance he's from the Balkans and he went 00:31:00.090 --> 00:31:06.540 and from Croatia had thought of Brad 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.490 there modulo the Givaudan joaquina 00:31:06.540 --> 00:31:13.530 janosh gone we can speak our language 00:31:08.490 --> 00:31:18.090 and he just looked horrified as Annie 00:31:13.530 --> 00:31:20.070 went and then Alan had also mish-mosh 00:31:18.090 --> 00:31:21.090 died over well caught you what we 00:31:20.070 --> 00:31:23.220 couldn't understand why didn't 00:31:21.090 --> 00:31:24.630 understand this Croatian guy was like we 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:26.490 were speaking in the language why can't 00:31:24.630 --> 00:31:27.870 you understand us and at first we 00:31:26.490 --> 00:31:32.520 thought maybe we were standing too 00:31:27.870 --> 00:31:34.470 serbian so we know have we crossed some 00:31:32.520 --> 00:31:37.050 sort of line etiquette boundary here 00:31:34.470 --> 00:31:40.860 that we shouldn't be doing with okay we 00:31:37.050 --> 00:31:43.440 didn't use the infinitive sorry and but 00:31:40.860 --> 00:31:44.820 we we had soon started to realize this 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:49.610 guy didn't understand the word we were 00:31:44.820 --> 00:31:49.610 saying anywhere actually I'm from Poland 00:31:49.690 --> 00:31:54.679 and then it clicked and we went why did 00:31:52.669 --> 00:31:56.719 you say you were from Croatia because 00:31:54.679 --> 00:32:00.979 because I get less negative reactions if 00:31:56.719 --> 00:32:03.589 I say I'm from Croatia than Poland yeah 00:32:00.979 --> 00:32:04.909 and you can you can use this trick but 00:32:03.589 --> 00:32:07.909 make sure you speak the language that's 00:32:04.909 --> 00:32:09.559 kind of the moral of story so if you go 00:32:07.909 --> 00:32:11.440 to a new country and you want to say I 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.729 don't speak English you want to pretend 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:17.959 just what one of my tricks 00:32:13.729 --> 00:32:19.489 was always I'd go I don't understand and 00:32:17.959 --> 00:32:20.719 then they just get they got to get 00:32:19.489 --> 00:32:21.979 nervous about their own level of English 00:32:20.719 --> 00:32:25.070 and then turn back to their native 00:32:21.979 --> 00:32:27.099 language there's a really good trick by 00:32:25.070 --> 00:32:29.269 the way it works really well you go 00:32:27.099 --> 00:32:30.289 strain and then they may repeat it once 00:32:29.269 --> 00:32:35.329 or twice now if you do it three times 00:32:30.289 --> 00:32:36.950 ago oh my god my English is crap should 00:32:35.329 --> 00:32:39.649 maybe stay with the language that he's 00:32:36.950 --> 00:32:42.109 trying to speak to me instead but make 00:32:39.649 --> 00:32:43.579 sure you can speak hit me if you can and 00:32:42.109 --> 00:32:52.419 they happen to speak the language that 00:32:43.579 --> 00:32:54.559 you claim to be a native of ich and so 00:32:52.419 --> 00:32:56.149 if this is going to go for there we go 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.429 there's a lovely little thing I like 00:32:56.149 --> 00:32:59.749 this I like bridges there they're a nice 00:32:58.429 --> 00:33:01.159 little thing to add on 00:32:59.749 --> 00:33:02.719 I thought pictures would make you 00:33:01.159 --> 00:33:07.359 interested in what I was saying was 00:33:02.719 --> 00:33:09.619 boring okay so multilingual vs. polyglot 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:11.599 does anybody else make this distinction 00:33:09.619 --> 00:33:13.190 nowadays for me these has changed in my 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.929 head so anybody else make the 00:33:13.190 --> 00:33:18.950 distinction anymore you make 00:33:14.929 --> 00:33:21.079 distinctions yeah for me the 00:33:18.950 --> 00:33:24.109 multilingual is the Luxembourgish person 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:26.690 who has had to speak three four 00:33:24.109 --> 00:33:28.099 languages through necessity they go to 00:33:26.690 --> 00:33:29.809 kindergarten in Luxembourgish than they 00:33:28.099 --> 00:33:31.159 do primary secondary school in French 00:33:29.809 --> 00:33:32.899 German German French whichever way 00:33:31.159 --> 00:33:34.459 around the duets and they learn English 00:33:32.899 --> 00:33:35.809 because everyone learns English and they 00:33:34.459 --> 00:33:37.429 may learn a foreign language like 00:33:35.809 --> 00:33:39.769 they've got the largest number of 00:33:37.429 --> 00:33:42.019 immigrants from Portugal in anywhere 00:33:39.769 --> 00:33:43.729 else in Europe outside Portugal and in 00:33:42.019 --> 00:33:45.200 Luxembourg I believe that wasn't a 00:33:43.729 --> 00:33:47.539 statistic ten years ago when I first 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.459 learnt it and I'm sticking with it it's 00:33:47.539 --> 00:33:51.619 a good one so they may have a home 00:33:49.459 --> 00:33:52.729 language like Portuguese or Serbian 00:33:51.619 --> 00:33:56.389 there's quite a lot of Serbian speakers 00:33:52.729 --> 00:33:58.159 that moved over during the war and so 00:33:56.389 --> 00:33:59.839 they have four or five languages just 00:33:58.159 --> 00:34:02.179 without starting but does that make them 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.650 particularly a polyglot in the way we 00:34:02.179 --> 00:34:06.410 think of polyglots in all 00:34:03.650 --> 00:34:08.120 online community well the question I 00:34:06.410 --> 00:34:13.310 asked a minute ago who hears from 00:34:08.120 --> 00:34:14.810 Luxembourg no one answered and I think 00:34:13.310 --> 00:34:16.399 there is one there's one person that I 00:34:14.810 --> 00:34:18.950 have met called Christine I think her 00:34:16.399 --> 00:34:20.330 name is who is from Luxembourg and is in 00:34:18.950 --> 00:34:22.970 the community but I don't come across 00:34:20.330 --> 00:34:25.070 them very often and I think because for 00:34:22.970 --> 00:34:26.990 me polyglot doesn't just mean speaking 00:34:25.070 --> 00:34:29.300 languages and people often ask how many 00:34:26.990 --> 00:34:31.000 languages is it for me it's not the 00:34:29.300 --> 00:34:33.500 amount of languages per se 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.450 yes it's speaking more than maybe one or 00:34:33.500 --> 00:34:37.970 two but beyond that is it really 00:34:35.450 --> 00:34:41.060 important no it's actually this 00:34:37.970 --> 00:34:43.760 deliberate action going forward and 00:34:41.060 --> 00:34:46.220 picking languages and learning them that 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:48.700 is what a polyglot is for me it's 00:34:46.220 --> 00:34:52.240 somebody who does this deliberately and 00:34:48.700 --> 00:34:52.240 for no apparent reason 00:34:53.050 --> 00:35:04.760 yeah am I right or am i right 00:34:56.380 --> 00:35:07.360 haha so we see people like these you 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:12.470 know natural multi linguist from America 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:13.750 you know professor aguas our very own 00:35:12.470 --> 00:35:19.940 Alex 00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:20.390 Benny Inman ola you did because Germany 00:35:19.940 --> 00:35:21.890 as well 00:35:20.390 --> 00:35:23.600 pretty monolingual country you learn a 00:35:21.890 --> 00:35:24.890 bit of English but you don't always 00:35:23.600 --> 00:35:26.810 learn the languages so for me these like 00:35:24.890 --> 00:35:29.120 all these countries count it's not just 00:35:26.810 --> 00:35:31.270 about english-speaking countries who 00:35:29.120 --> 00:35:34.130 knows who that is 00:35:31.270 --> 00:35:37.760 yeah Hungarian Katherine yeah 00:35:34.130 --> 00:35:39.020 hunger Hungaria hungry is also one of 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.230 those countries where they tend just to 00:35:39.020 --> 00:35:46.670 speak Hungarian right but these are the 00:35:42.230 --> 00:35:52.090 people err Tim yeah there we go she's 00:35:46.670 --> 00:36:00.010 there at the back Lindsey at Lucca noses 00:35:52.090 --> 00:36:04.430 Steve Suzanna David its - Jay yeah oli 00:36:00.010 --> 00:36:06.380 Mike Campbell and Donovan and these are 00:36:04.430 --> 00:36:10.330 all people from pretty monolingual 00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:11.740 backgrounds and yeah they may have 00:36:10.330 --> 00:36:14.770 had languages a little bit younger they 00:36:11.740 --> 00:36:16.150 may not but these people all went on to 00:36:14.770 --> 00:36:17.320 do something incredible with learning 00:36:16.150 --> 00:36:19.570 lots and lots of languages these are 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.150 just examples that I chose randomly 00:36:19.570 --> 00:36:24.460 because of you know they're known in the 00:36:22.150 --> 00:36:26.470 community and they're their faces that 00:36:24.460 --> 00:36:29.770 you will instantly recognize and maybe 00:36:26.470 --> 00:36:31.090 attach a meaning to straightaway but I 00:36:29.770 --> 00:36:33.940 could equally have used a number of 00:36:31.090 --> 00:36:43.270 faces in this room and have the same 00:36:33.940 --> 00:36:45.900 effect so really that is me and I'm 00:36:43.270 --> 00:36:45.900 happy yes 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:17.420 okay let's take another country as an 00:37:15.829 --> 00:37:19.279 idea instead of Luxembourg because they 00:37:17.420 --> 00:37:21.439 do education in in a number of languages 00:37:19.279 --> 00:37:22.999 so if anybody didn't hear that the 00:37:21.439 --> 00:37:24.160 argument was whether or not there are 00:37:22.999 --> 00:37:26.930 differences in levels between 00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:28.489 multilingual and polyglot so whether or 00:37:26.930 --> 00:37:30.529 not you would have a bilingual as a 00:37:28.489 --> 00:37:32.299 perfect bilingual I'm guessing you mean 00:37:30.529 --> 00:37:33.650 by this or a trilingual perfect 00:37:32.299 --> 00:37:35.660 trilingual or multilingual 00:37:33.650 --> 00:37:39.799 and extension of that beyond these three 00:37:35.660 --> 00:37:41.689 languages and I think probably a better 00:37:39.799 --> 00:37:44.089 maybe maybe a better country to pick 00:37:41.689 --> 00:37:45.920 would be somewhere like India or some 00:37:44.089 --> 00:37:47.959 African countries as well where they 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.130 will learn languages of people around 00:37:47.959 --> 00:37:52.549 but they'll learn them for different 00:37:49.130 --> 00:37:54.349 reasons it will be for business for just 00:37:52.549 --> 00:37:56.269 having a coffee trade whatever they 00:37:54.349 --> 00:37:57.529 doing they'll do it for different 00:37:56.269 --> 00:37:59.989 reasons so they don't need the same 00:37:57.529 --> 00:38:01.519 level in the language and they didn't 00:37:59.989 --> 00:38:02.929 means necessarily they can't necessarily 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.539 say the same things in all of the 00:38:02.929 --> 00:38:08.900 languages either they may not even have 00:38:05.539 --> 00:38:12.229 one mother tongue that's very strong it 00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:13.609 may be a mixture of languages and this 00:38:12.229 --> 00:38:16.789 happens in a lot of places outside 00:38:13.609 --> 00:38:18.199 Europe and even in Europe as well I know 00:38:16.789 --> 00:38:20.660 people in in the Republic of Macedonia 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:23.539 who who just go in a conversation 00:38:20.660 --> 00:38:25.429 between five languages and they do it 00:38:23.539 --> 00:38:27.199 because that's just the way they talk 00:38:25.429 --> 00:38:28.939 where they live because they'll mix 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.619 Turkish in with Albanian with Macedonian 00:38:28.939 --> 00:38:32.719 with Serbian and then they may know a 00:38:30.619 --> 00:38:36.949 smattering of German and whatever else 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.999 and but it's it's it's that's why I 00:38:36.949 --> 00:38:39.469 would say they were they are 00:38:37.999 --> 00:38:41.749 multilingual for me and there are 00:38:39.469 --> 00:38:45.019 different levels so I wouldn't make that 00:38:41.749 --> 00:38:47.029 distinction myself and if you talk about 00:38:45.019 --> 00:38:48.589 other languages like French Belanger 00:38:47.029 --> 00:38:50.119 everyone's belonging French if they 00:38:48.589 --> 00:38:53.509 speak about in three words of English 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:55.069 they belong who I mean I remember people 00:38:53.509 --> 00:38:58.240 saying that all the time I teach younger 00:38:55.069 --> 00:39:01.010 let go my OC yeah 00:38:58.240 --> 00:39:05.320 okay so which one of your parents is 00:39:01.010 --> 00:39:08.240 from is from the UK oh no more clearly : 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:12.680 okay so your you'll be lying you'll 00:39:08.240 --> 00:39:14.030 that'd be lying you and it's nothing 00:39:12.680 --> 00:39:16.850 nothing wrong with being belong in that 00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:19.010 way but it's a it's not all in English 00:39:16.850 --> 00:39:21.020 term bilingual it's not what we 00:39:19.010 --> 00:39:23.150 understand we understand and assume that 00:39:21.020 --> 00:39:25.160 it's a perfect bilingualism but actually 00:39:23.150 --> 00:39:26.360 even in even in these countries where it 00:39:25.160 --> 00:39:29.990 seems like a very good bilingualism 00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:32.540 almost perfect it doesn't take long to 00:39:29.990 --> 00:39:34.820 scratch the surface as a very competent 00:39:32.540 --> 00:39:38.480 fluent speaker of a language to see that 00:39:34.820 --> 00:39:40.670 it's not quite the reality even for the 00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:42.890 people that seem very very very 00:39:40.670 --> 00:39:45.380 bilingual there is often a stronger 00:39:42.890 --> 00:39:47.210 language in areas and it will it will do 00:39:45.380 --> 00:39:48.800 the same thing as happening in India or 00:39:47.210 --> 00:39:50.990 African countries where where this is 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:54.320 the norm between tribes or between 00:39:50.990 --> 00:39:56.270 regions of the country for just general 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.130 conversation but it will be be maybe a 00:39:56.270 --> 00:40:01.850 high educated level because they've 00:39:58.130 --> 00:40:06.800 studied maybe in all the languages okay 00:40:01.850 --> 00:40:09.070 I'm open to other questions as well yeah 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.070 please 00:40:11.380 --> 00:40:20.990 hello hello and you said that mmm 00:40:18.170 --> 00:40:23.870 do you mind the second language was the 00:40:20.990 --> 00:40:25.430 most difficult and then after that it 00:40:23.870 --> 00:40:27.680 got easier 00:40:25.430 --> 00:40:29.930 I actually thought perhaps the third 00:40:27.680 --> 00:40:31.880 language was the challenge because this 00:40:29.930 --> 00:40:34.570 is the point at which you consolidate 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:37.040 how to learn a language 00:40:34.570 --> 00:40:39.740 yeah I know what you're talking about 00:40:37.040 --> 00:40:43.160 and it's kind of went up when I said I 00:40:39.740 --> 00:40:46.310 kind of went ish and sort of winced a 00:40:43.160 --> 00:40:47.900 little bit because it's true that it's 00:40:46.310 --> 00:40:50.600 the first is the hardest in terms of 00:40:47.900 --> 00:40:52.160 that mental barrier of understanding how 00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:53.990 to speak and communicate in a different 00:40:52.160 --> 00:40:57.160 language and that's the one thing that 00:40:53.990 --> 00:41:01.400 you do you do once in terms of that 00:40:57.160 --> 00:41:02.960 mental flip but you're right and this 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.120 happened to me when I started off with 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.340 the Romance languages and that was my 00:41:05.120 --> 00:41:08.960 first group of languages and when I 00:41:07.340 --> 00:41:10.640 started learning Germanic languages I 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.440 started Swedish from my first Germanic 00:41:10.640 --> 00:41:17.330 language 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:18.800 naturally so I I had Swedish at 00:41:17.330 --> 00:41:19.550 university but I didn't have German at 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:24.310 school at all 00:41:19.550 --> 00:41:27.920 I spoke no German until I was 22 and 00:41:24.310 --> 00:41:30.320 never studied it but Swedish I found 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:32.200 more similar to English because of the 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.610 structure and the way it was flowing and 00:41:32.200 --> 00:41:36.590 the the putting different article the 00:41:34.610 --> 00:41:39.380 end was a bit weird but it was more or 00:41:36.590 --> 00:41:41.869 less okay when I got to German and this 00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:43.940 whole flippin Lee the sentence round and 00:41:41.869 --> 00:41:45.170 putting verbs at the end of the sentence 00:41:43.940 --> 00:41:47.869 yeah we do it in English as well 00:41:45.170 --> 00:41:49.460 sometimes but in German the way of doing 00:41:47.869 --> 00:41:52.700 it was a bit of a mind flip 00:41:49.460 --> 00:41:54.470 and for me there was a real I felt I 00:41:52.700 --> 00:41:56.960 would describe it as a physiological 00:41:54.470 --> 00:42:00.200 change in my brain from the the Romance 00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:01.490 language set to the Germanic and once 00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:02.150 you go through that change there's no 00:42:01.490 --> 00:42:05.270 going back 00:42:02.150 --> 00:42:06.350 and so that's that's kind of what I'm 00:42:05.270 --> 00:42:08.720 getting out with the first ones the 00:42:06.350 --> 00:42:09.920 hardest because that going forwards and 00:42:08.720 --> 00:42:11.869 then not being able to go back from 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.850 understanding that and and visualizing 00:42:11.869 --> 00:42:15.470 speaking in a language that's why I say 00:42:13.850 --> 00:42:17.720 it's the hardest but there's definitely 00:42:15.470 --> 00:42:19.520 struggles with each new family because 00:42:17.720 --> 00:42:23.359 there are new grow new ways of thinking 00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:25.400 that that change completely and you have 00:42:23.359 --> 00:42:26.660 to make that flip again interesting that 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.220 you should mention German I think 00:42:26.660 --> 00:42:29.810 because that was actually my third 00:42:28.220 --> 00:42:31.760 language it's sort of like tasting from 00:42:29.810 --> 00:42:34.670 the tree of knowledge mm-hmm yeah yeah 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:43.490 exactly yep 00:42:34.670 --> 00:42:46.040 thank you great presentation loved it 00:42:43.490 --> 00:42:47.780 thank you I wanted to ask you I'm not 00:42:46.040 --> 00:42:52.330 I'm definitely I'm Italian not a native 00:42:47.780 --> 00:42:54.830 English speaker and not Anna but I've 00:42:52.330 --> 00:42:56.660 lived there before I lived in Finland 00:42:54.830 --> 00:43:00.140 and now I've been living in Lavinia and 00:42:56.660 --> 00:43:02.090 I like this the concept of dominance 00:43:00.140 --> 00:43:03.859 that I use English you know to dominate 00:43:02.090 --> 00:43:05.840 conversation because both literally and 00:43:03.859 --> 00:43:08.540 finish are never strong but I also found 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:11.150 out that Lithuanian and Finnish they're 00:43:08.540 --> 00:43:13.310 not used to people speaking their 00:43:11.150 --> 00:43:15.080 language as a second language so for 00:43:13.310 --> 00:43:17.780 them it's very awkward and when I try to 00:43:15.080 --> 00:43:19.820 learn Russian in Lithuanian for me was 00:43:17.780 --> 00:43:22.130 way easier to practice Russian because 00:43:19.820 --> 00:43:25.180 Russian as Italian I think they're used 00:43:22.130 --> 00:43:27.819 maybe to see other people 00:43:25.180 --> 00:43:30.790 struggling so themselves they're used to 00:43:27.819 --> 00:43:32.349 adapt in a way to somebody speaking 00:43:30.790 --> 00:43:36.040 their language as a second language so 00:43:32.349 --> 00:43:38.530 my question is what can we how can we 00:43:36.040 --> 00:43:40.450 help these societies maybe to open their 00:43:38.530 --> 00:43:42.190 eyes and to realize that look there are 00:43:40.450 --> 00:43:43.690 lots of people that would love to speak 00:43:42.190 --> 00:43:49.210 your language and what can you do 00:43:43.690 --> 00:43:51.809 natives - yeah this is really true as an 00:43:49.210 --> 00:43:55.839 English language native we're used to a 00:43:51.809 --> 00:43:57.099 huge wide variety of different accents 00:43:55.839 --> 00:43:59.380 and people from different cultures 00:43:57.099 --> 00:44:01.480 speaking our language so our air can 00:43:59.380 --> 00:44:03.369 tune in and can adapt quite quickly and 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.480 a lot of other smaller countries where 00:44:03.369 --> 00:44:06.460 they're not used to people learning the 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.589 language and I live in a country exactly 00:44:06.460 --> 00:44:10.990 the same you know in the Republic of 00:44:08.589 --> 00:44:13.240 Macedonia people didn't really study 00:44:10.990 --> 00:44:15.490 Macedonian and it's it's there aren't 00:44:13.240 --> 00:44:19.420 many that speak it well you know now 00:44:15.490 --> 00:44:21.670 from abroad that come in and I remember 00:44:19.420 --> 00:44:23.530 when I first went there and they that I 00:44:21.670 --> 00:44:25.900 went to the school to try and learn 00:44:23.530 --> 00:44:27.609 Macedonian that way to have proper 00:44:25.900 --> 00:44:28.900 lessons and they went yeah we've we've 00:44:27.609 --> 00:44:30.670 taught really successfully beyond the 00:44:28.900 --> 00:44:33.040 basics we've got this American guys been 00:44:30.670 --> 00:44:36.309 over two years he's fantastic but he 00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:38.260 calls we don't stand a word he says but 00:44:36.309 --> 00:44:42.069 it's because it's because of the accent 00:44:38.260 --> 00:44:43.540 how you can combat that it's tough it's 00:44:42.069 --> 00:44:45.220 this is one of the reasons why I wanted 00:44:43.540 --> 00:44:46.450 to make this presentation because I know 00:44:45.220 --> 00:44:49.240 it will go on YouTube but I know that 00:44:46.450 --> 00:44:50.500 within the community people will see it 00:44:49.240 --> 00:44:52.480 and they'll understand this struggle and 00:44:50.500 --> 00:44:55.630 it's taking the time to be patient and 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:58.329 listening to it and sometimes I find it 00:44:55.630 --> 00:45:00.549 quite hard to understand why a native 00:44:58.329 --> 00:45:02.890 can't bend their ear a little bit to 00:45:00.549 --> 00:45:07.329 understand but it's it does seem to be 00:45:02.890 --> 00:45:08.829 something that's pre-programmed and how 00:45:07.329 --> 00:45:11.500 you would do it I think is just with 00:45:08.829 --> 00:45:13.990 with actually making people more aware 00:45:11.500 --> 00:45:15.609 that this is okay to do and and and 00:45:13.990 --> 00:45:17.440 getting more used to people learning the 00:45:15.609 --> 00:45:20.049 minority languages and you as a 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:21.880 foreigner living in Lithuania speaking 00:45:20.049 --> 00:45:23.710 to more people in Lithuanian so that 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.630 then because you are an ambassador for 00:45:23.710 --> 00:45:27.400 foreigner speaking Lithuanian when you 00:45:25.630 --> 00:45:29.799 learn any language you will then an 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.660 ambassador for a foreigner learning that 00:45:29.799 --> 00:45:34.420 language and that's how you need to see 00:45:31.660 --> 00:45:35.799 yourself so don't get scared when they 00:45:34.420 --> 00:45:36.359 reply to you in English or in another 00:45:35.799 --> 00:45:41.299 language 00:45:36.359 --> 00:45:44.249 that you may speak just you know be 00:45:41.299 --> 00:45:47.730 important as you say just carry on and 00:45:44.249 --> 00:45:49.039 and and and you know and actually stand 00:45:47.730 --> 00:45:55.589 by what you're trying to do and 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:57.239 represent represent so hi 00:45:55.589 --> 00:45:59.670 Richard thank you for the go talk I 00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:01.559 would like to dig into a little bit 00:45:59.670 --> 00:46:03.269 about this distinction between Multi 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:05.130 multi lingual and polyglots 00:46:03.269 --> 00:46:08.009 and we've had this conversation before I 00:46:05.130 --> 00:46:11.609 self identify as a multi lingual I call 00:46:08.009 --> 00:46:14.249 it accident or polyglots but I like it 00:46:11.609 --> 00:46:18.150 but for the sake of clarity I would call 00:46:14.249 --> 00:46:20.700 them circumstantial language or 00:46:18.150 --> 00:46:24.180 circumstantial polyglot or intentional 00:46:20.700 --> 00:46:27.480 polyglot and I find as a circumstantial 00:46:24.180 --> 00:46:30.390 polyglot I would love to be intentional 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:32.609 polyglot and from from what I've heard 00:46:30.390 --> 00:46:35.640 from many intentional polyglots how they 00:46:32.609 --> 00:46:37.079 managed to become poly or how sorry how 00:46:35.640 --> 00:46:38.759 intentional polyglots managed to become 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:41.309 in terms of public polyglots is they 00:46:38.759 --> 00:46:42.839 check themselves into being 00:46:41.309 --> 00:46:45.210 circumstantial polyglots you know they 00:46:42.839 --> 00:46:47.940 create environment but they create this 00:46:45.210 --> 00:46:49.259 as it includes the the things that you 00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:51.029 mentioned yourself you know these are 00:46:49.259 --> 00:46:54.359 all the different reasons people learn 00:46:51.029 --> 00:46:55.950 languages so I think maybe the the 00:46:54.359 --> 00:46:57.829 distinction really isn't that clear and 00:46:55.950 --> 00:47:00.869 there's a lot of back and forth between 00:46:57.829 --> 00:47:02.730 yeah the two domains oh I agree that 00:47:00.869 --> 00:47:05.249 this isn't a clear distinction it's just 00:47:02.730 --> 00:47:08.819 something I perceive and I wanted to 00:47:05.249 --> 00:47:11.130 express in a public way because I this 00:47:08.819 --> 00:47:12.869 is a shift in in my thinking 00:47:11.130 --> 00:47:14.819 more recently actually a process in the 00:47:12.869 --> 00:47:16.559 last year or so I started making this 00:47:14.819 --> 00:47:19.079 distinction in my head and I think it 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:22.109 comes from people asking am i a polyglot 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:24.029 and probably yeah there's probably a 00:47:22.109 --> 00:47:25.829 crossover it's like when people talk 00:47:24.029 --> 00:47:28.859 about being as agnostic theist and 00:47:25.829 --> 00:47:32.690 atheist you can actually be an agnostic 00:47:28.859 --> 00:47:32.690 theist and an agnostic atheist 00:47:32.930 --> 00:47:38.940 it's not it's not one of the other it's 00:47:36.299 --> 00:47:41.430 it's all and I think probably this may 00:47:38.940 --> 00:47:43.170 fit into that kind of category of you 00:47:41.430 --> 00:47:47.160 could be a polyglot multilingual 00:47:43.170 --> 00:47:48.239 polyglot why not you I said there's one 00:47:47.160 --> 00:47:49.980 person from Luxembourg who would 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.530 probably I would define as that 00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:55.830 a natural multilingual because of 00:47:52.530 --> 00:47:59.400 environment because of heritage who then 00:47:55.830 --> 00:47:59.880 also went on to learn other languages hi 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.700 Richard 00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:04.140 hello this behind him thank you so much 00:48:02.700 --> 00:48:07.260 for this presentation I wanted to ask 00:48:04.140 --> 00:48:09.150 you since I'm a native English speaker 00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:11.520 from America and there's several of us 00:48:09.150 --> 00:48:14.700 in the room now which is great I think 00:48:11.520 --> 00:48:17.160 it's amazing I was wondering if you have 00:48:14.700 --> 00:48:19.470 experienced or if you'd like could share 00:48:17.160 --> 00:48:21.930 with us any psychological boundaries or 00:48:19.470 --> 00:48:23.490 like obstacles you faced being a native 00:48:21.930 --> 00:48:26.940 English speaker because I know for 00:48:23.490 --> 00:48:28.859 Americans there's a reputation around 00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:30.510 the world for being either unable or 00:48:28.859 --> 00:48:32.850 unwilling to learn other languages and 00:48:30.510 --> 00:48:34.350 so it kind of comes to my mind every now 00:48:32.850 --> 00:48:35.730 and then like while you're American so 00:48:34.350 --> 00:48:37.440 you're supposed to have these problems 00:48:35.730 --> 00:48:42.450 have you experienced anything like that 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:44.460 um yeah kind of I suffer the thing that 00:48:42.450 --> 00:48:46.980 I think many of us native English 00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:48.450 speakers suffer and that you take this 00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:50.730 time and you make this effort to learn 00:48:48.450 --> 00:48:52.650 languages but actually the picking the 00:48:50.730 --> 00:48:55.470 language is very difficult because 00:48:52.650 --> 00:48:58.740 there's not always a natural language to 00:48:55.470 --> 00:49:00.990 pick and it doesn't matter how many you 00:48:58.740 --> 00:49:02.190 pick you'll still learn a native English 00:49:00.990 --> 00:49:04.530 speaker when you go to the country that 00:49:02.190 --> 00:49:06.810 you don't speak the language of and you 00:49:04.530 --> 00:49:09.960 still feel lazy and you still feel that 00:49:06.810 --> 00:49:11.640 you're representing a stereotype and I 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:13.830 definitely feel that as well when I go 00:49:11.640 --> 00:49:16.800 to like when I go to hungry and I just 00:49:13.830 --> 00:49:19.350 know like you know a few words and I 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:21.119 feel are why can't I just become Gareth 00:49:19.350 --> 00:49:22.170 but then you think like I can't do this 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:25.200 in every single country in the world 00:49:22.170 --> 00:49:26.760 either that's to me one psychological 00:49:25.200 --> 00:49:29.310 barrier potentially not what you were 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.660 getting out with your question but one 00:49:29.310 --> 00:49:33.300 of the things that for me is is an 00:49:30.660 --> 00:49:36.210 important thing sort of linked to that 00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:36.780 idea in terms of people people's 00:49:36.210 --> 00:49:39.630 reactions 00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:41.400 yeah I've certainly had like in the 00:49:39.630 --> 00:49:43.980 Netherlands when I lived there first six 00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:46.530 months were very hard for speaking Dutch 00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:49.410 because I didn't have the vocabulary to 00:49:46.530 --> 00:49:50.820 say everything I wanted and I didn't 00:49:49.410 --> 00:49:53.070 have maybe the right grammar and maybe 00:49:50.820 --> 00:49:55.680 maxint was a bit off and I don't know I 00:49:53.070 --> 00:49:58.140 mean I don't worry too much of accent to 00:49:55.680 --> 00:50:01.349 be honest I like to go to be clear in my 00:49:58.140 --> 00:50:05.420 pronunciation if I can and 00:50:01.349 --> 00:50:08.539 but after the six-month period of people 00:50:05.420 --> 00:50:13.170 constantly turning back to English and 00:50:08.539 --> 00:50:15.839 it started to ease off but if ever I got 00:50:13.170 --> 00:50:16.890 to a point where I went to buy tickets 00:50:15.839 --> 00:50:19.470 or anything that I had to show my 00:50:16.890 --> 00:50:22.229 passport to write my passport thing they 00:50:19.470 --> 00:50:23.670 go oh yeah we're speaking in Dutch for 00:50:22.229 --> 00:50:25.349 like half an hour about where I'm going 00:50:23.670 --> 00:50:28.049 to fly to what I'm going to do and why 00:50:25.349 --> 00:50:31.589 need it and they go oh show her you're 00:50:28.049 --> 00:50:33.390 from United Kingdom yeah and they only 00:50:31.589 --> 00:50:36.239 give manator long side leg needs the 00:50:33.390 --> 00:50:37.739 hater and I can still speak Dutch 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:39.299 haven't forgot met just because I gave 00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:41.190 you a passport and it says I'm British 00:50:39.299 --> 00:50:46.319 does not mean I can no longer speak 00:50:41.190 --> 00:50:48.239 Dutch and they went our sorry old so but 00:50:46.319 --> 00:50:50.519 it's a natural thing that you get as a 00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:52.559 native English speaker people like to 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:55.410 speak to native speakers it's just the 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:57.059 way it is I mean it's it's a rare thing 00:50:55.410 --> 00:51:00.119 for a lot of people a lot of communities 00:50:57.059 --> 00:51:01.859 so they go oh you're from the US or 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.940 you're from the UK you're from Australia 00:51:01.859 --> 00:51:05.369 Wow we can practice English with 00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:08.400 somebody who speaks it really well and 00:51:05.369 --> 00:51:11.849 you know don't judge me on that could be 00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:14.279 awful but it's it is an issue and I 00:51:11.849 --> 00:51:16.529 think it's being polite and saying you 00:51:14.279 --> 00:51:17.640 know yeah if you you know it's really 00:51:16.529 --> 00:51:19.410 good you want to speak English it's 00:51:17.640 --> 00:51:20.999 great you know what I really like your 00:51:19.410 --> 00:51:22.950 language and I really like your culture 00:51:20.999 --> 00:51:25.559 and I'd love to speak to you and 00:51:22.950 --> 00:51:27.150 actually improve and most people are 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.799 actually quite nice when you say that 00:51:27.150 --> 00:51:30.839 you know I've taken the time to come 00:51:28.799 --> 00:51:32.579 here it's really nice if you could carry 00:51:30.839 --> 00:51:35.369 on in your language that I can improve 00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:37.890 and that's kind of what I do that's my 00:51:35.369 --> 00:51:39.450 trick when I first go to a country even 00:51:37.890 --> 00:51:43.079 if I know they speak better English than 00:51:39.450 --> 00:51:44.219 I speak their language I don't think 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.680 that should be an issue I think it 00:51:44.219 --> 00:51:47.489 should be a language etiquette thing and 00:51:46.680 --> 00:51:49.499 that takes me back to the language 00:51:47.489 --> 00:51:51.930 etiquette because I think that even if 00:51:49.499 --> 00:51:56.279 people unaware of that to themselves you 00:51:51.930 --> 00:51:57.299 can you know sort of passively show that 00:51:56.279 --> 00:51:58.710 there's a language there to get here 00:51:57.299 --> 00:52:01.499 this is the boundary I've come to your 00:51:58.710 --> 00:52:03.960 country and and I've come for the for 00:52:01.499 --> 00:52:06.869 the reason of learning your language so 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:11.309 therefore please do me that favor and 00:52:06.869 --> 00:52:13.650 speak to me in your language hello hello 00:52:11.309 --> 00:52:15.510 um this is relating to what you said 00:52:13.650 --> 00:52:17.670 about language etiquette 00:52:15.510 --> 00:52:20.390 one situation that always feels really 00:52:17.670 --> 00:52:23.100 awkward to me is being on an airplane 00:52:20.390 --> 00:52:25.800 especially if it's like a Japanese or 00:52:23.100 --> 00:52:28.380 Chinese airline and everybody around me 00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.240 is Asian and so of course the flight 00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:33.150 attendants take one look at my face and 00:52:30.240 --> 00:52:34.590 they speak to me in English this always 00:52:33.150 --> 00:52:36.300 makes me feel just really awkward 00:52:34.590 --> 00:52:38.370 because I don't want to be like you know 00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:40.500 the foreigner on the plane 00:52:38.370 --> 00:52:44.370 who needs to be spoken to in English and 00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:47.670 my ex my instinct is to reply to them in 00:52:44.370 --> 00:52:49.470 their language but at the same time I 00:52:47.670 --> 00:52:51.360 don't want to make this person feel bad 00:52:49.470 --> 00:52:52.980 you know feel like maybe their English 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.200 isn't good enough and I know you know 00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:57.270 they're only doing their job it's only 00:52:55.200 --> 00:52:59.190 natural for them to think that you know 00:52:57.270 --> 00:53:02.550 I would prefer to speak English and so 00:52:59.190 --> 00:53:04.580 I'm just wondering if you have any sort 00:53:02.550 --> 00:53:07.410 of protocol for this type of situation 00:53:04.580 --> 00:53:08.820 okay a good question I think of the very 00:53:07.410 --> 00:53:10.080 short interactions and you know that 00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:12.480 it's not going to be a comic become a 00:53:10.080 --> 00:53:15.090 conversation depending on how confident 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:17.670 you feel or how uneasy you feel about 00:53:15.090 --> 00:53:20.640 the situation you could do one of two 00:53:17.670 --> 00:53:22.410 things just say okay I'm just going to 00:53:20.640 --> 00:53:22.980 say something back in English and be 00:53:22.410 --> 00:53:27.000 done with it 00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:29.460 or you could say in English and then say 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.710 something nice like thank you or just a 00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:34.800 couple of words in that language after 00:53:31.710 --> 00:53:35.880 the English to show that you have an 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:39.900 awareness of their culture in their 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:42.090 language and that night spark and a 00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:44.100 reaction in return that they say oh 00:53:42.090 --> 00:53:46.350 you've learned some some Japanese or 00:53:44.100 --> 00:53:48.450 you've learned some Chinese and that's 00:53:46.350 --> 00:53:50.130 really nice and then you go then you say 00:53:48.450 --> 00:53:51.870 oh yeah I studied it over Beauvoir and 00:53:50.130 --> 00:53:53.820 they may it may spark a tiny 00:53:51.870 --> 00:53:56.460 conversation in those situations it's 00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:58.650 unlikely to spark a huge dialogue 00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:59.970 because it's it's a plane ride right and 00:53:58.650 --> 00:54:01.260 they've got a job to do and they're 00:53:59.970 --> 00:54:03.450 doing their job to the best of their 00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:05.670 ability and if they went up to some 00:54:03.450 --> 00:54:09.120 every every every person on the plane 00:54:05.670 --> 00:54:10.680 white who was white or or black and just 00:54:09.120 --> 00:54:13.440 randomly spoke to them in Chinese or 00:54:10.680 --> 00:54:15.170 Japanese they probably make more enemies 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:18.630 than friends 00:54:15.170 --> 00:54:20.760 do you like what the hell you know and 00:54:18.630 --> 00:54:23.160 it is the language of the sky English is 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:25.350 used in the sky so they're trained to 00:54:23.160 --> 00:54:27.390 make the announcements in English so 00:54:25.350 --> 00:54:28.280 there's kind of that mindset going on in 00:54:27.390 --> 00:54:33.830 that space 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:35.660 pick environment but that's what I yeah 00:54:33.830 --> 00:54:39.260 but that's not I mean it's a natural 00:54:35.660 --> 00:54:40.430 thing to do right I mean were the only 00:54:39.260 --> 00:54:42.680 sort of language is where you wouldn't 00:54:40.430 --> 00:54:45.140 do that as English because anyone can be 00:54:42.680 --> 00:54:47.510 British anyone can be American 00:54:45.140 --> 00:54:50.450 it doesn't really depend on your outward 00:54:47.510 --> 00:54:53.660 appearance because we're all mixed right 00:54:50.450 --> 00:54:57.170 but but how many white Japanese people 00:54:53.660 --> 00:55:00.470 do you see you just don't you just don't 00:54:57.170 --> 00:55:01.880 come across them it's it's not it's not 00:55:00.470 --> 00:55:06.020 them yeah there we go got one in the 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:09.890 back there but you you don't get that 00:55:06.020 --> 00:55:11.330 many and and so it's it's fair it's fair 00:55:09.890 --> 00:55:14.090 enough today I mean I get that every day 00:55:11.330 --> 00:55:16.060 pretty much in the Balkans people look 00:55:14.090 --> 00:55:19.010 at me and I'm too white to be Balkan I 00:55:16.060 --> 00:55:21.500 am I mean you know it's like I went 00:55:19.010 --> 00:55:23.330 round with and I'm sure Danny won't mind 00:55:21.500 --> 00:55:24.800 me saying this but I went round Skokie 00:55:23.330 --> 00:55:28.340 with Danny Ferguson and Danny Ferguson 00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:30.020 as as black as I am white and and we 00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:33.770 went round and it was like the circus 00:55:30.020 --> 00:55:35.750 had come to town ha ha ha everyone's 00:55:33.770 --> 00:55:39.980 heads were turning who are these people 00:55:35.750 --> 00:55:41.870 and then you know we started speaking in 00:55:39.980 --> 00:55:46.190 Serbian which freaked them out even more 00:55:41.870 --> 00:55:49.520 ha ha these policemen went speaking 00:55:46.190 --> 00:55:53.810 Serbian what's going on the world's gone 00:55:49.520 --> 00:55:56.210 crazy but it was late time's up returned 00:55:53.810 --> 00:55:59.510 yeah sorry yeah we have to finish oh 00:55:56.210 --> 00:56:02.290 sorry ok I can't see where you are okay 00:55:59.510 --> 00:56:02.290 okay 00:56:04.690 --> 00:56:07.900 thank you