0:00:14.334,0:00:17.054 This is Nina Rodriguez' Facebook profile. 0:00:18.542,0:00:21.244 This person had three different profiles 0:00:21.244,0:00:26.223 and 890 kids between 9 and 13 years old[br]on their list of friends. 0:00:28.707,0:00:32.946 These are parts of a chat[br]with one of those kids. 0:00:35.243,0:00:37.863 This is an exact copy of the chat 0:00:38.491,0:00:40.561 and it's part of the case file. 0:00:42.584,0:00:45.834 This kid started sending private photos 0:00:45.834,0:00:48.013 until his family noticed it. 0:00:49.649,0:00:54.079 The police report and [br]investigation lead to a house. 0:00:55.243,0:00:57.933 This was the girl's bedroom. 0:01:00.292,0:01:04.602 Nina Rodriguez was actually[br]a 24-year-old man, 0:01:05.300,0:01:08.040 that used to do this with lots of kids. 0:01:11.114,0:01:13.334 Micaela Ortega was 12 0:01:14.505,0:01:17.304 when she went to meet her [br]new Facebook girl friend 0:01:17.305,0:01:18.685 of her same age. 0:01:19.667,0:01:22.084 "Rochi de River," was her name. 0:01:23.991,0:01:27.501 She actually met Jonathan Luna,[br]who was 26 years old, 0:01:28.373,0:01:30.202 who, when he was finally caught, 0:01:30.203,0:01:34.203 confessed that he killed her because[br]the girl didn't want to have sex with him. 0:01:36.530,0:01:39.050 He had four Facebook profiles 0:01:39.588,0:01:42.958 and 1,700 women on his contact list. 0:01:44.932,0:01:48.192 90 percent of them [br]were less than 13 years old. 0:01:50.292,0:01:52.874 These are two different cases of grooming: 0:01:54.068,0:01:57.368 an adult contacts a kid[br]through the Internet, 0:01:58.101,0:02:00.290 and by manipulating or lying 0:02:00.291,0:02:02.401 leads that kid to sexual fields. 0:02:02.401,0:02:04.295 From talking about sex 0:02:04.295,0:02:06.502 to sharing private photos, 0:02:06.502,0:02:08.839 recording the kid using a webcam 0:02:08.839,0:02:11.044 or arranging a meeting. 0:02:12.245,0:02:13.585 This is grooming. 0:02:14.307,0:02:16.877 This is happening and it's on the rise. 0:02:19.651,0:02:21.501 The question is, "What will we do?" 0:02:22.035,0:02:24.865 because, in the meantime, kids are alone. 0:02:26.552,0:02:28.591 They finish dinner, go to their rooms, 0:02:28.592,0:02:29.882 close the door, 0:02:30.792,0:02:32.662 take their computer, their cell phones 0:02:33.239,0:02:35.449 and get into a bar, 0:02:36.532,0:02:37.692 into a club. 0:02:40.049,0:02:43.089 Think for one second about [br]what I've just said; 0:02:44.485,0:02:47.452 they are in a place full of strangers 0:02:47.452,0:02:49.501 in a uninhibited environment. 0:02:51.657,0:02:53.747 Internet broke physical boundaries. 0:02:54.487,0:02:56.596 When we are alone in our bedroom, 0:02:56.597,0:02:58.333 and we go online, 0:02:58.333,0:03:00.193 we're not really alone. 0:03:03.185,0:03:07.992 There are two reasons why[br]we are not taking care of this 0:03:07.992,0:03:10.002 or at least not in the right way. 0:03:11.499,0:03:16.038 Firstly, we're sure that everything[br]that happens online is "virtual." 0:03:16.038,0:03:19.398 In fact, we call it "the virtual world"! 0:03:20.792,0:03:22.602 If you look it up, 0:03:23.644,0:03:27.224 something virtual is[br]something that is not real 0:03:28.856,0:03:32.366 and we use that word[br]to talk about the Internet; 0:03:33.052,0:03:34.452 something not real. 0:03:36.695,0:03:39.000 And that's the problem with grooming. 0:03:39.000,0:03:40.400 It is real. 0:03:41.542,0:03:46.882 Adults, perverts, use the Internet[br]to abuse boys and girls 0:03:47.380,0:03:51.319 and take advantage of the fact[br]that the kids and their parents 0:03:51.320,0:03:54.710 think that what happens there[br]actually doesn't happen. 0:03:57.459,0:04:03.160 Some years ago, we founded a NGO, [br]"Argentina Cibersegura" 0:04:03.160,0:04:06.825 that works on bringing awareness[br]about online safety. 0:04:08.506,0:04:11.515 On 2013, we attended meetings 0:04:11.516,0:04:12.935 at the Chamber of Deputies 0:04:12.936,0:04:15.336 to discuss a law about grooming. 0:04:17.517,0:04:19.815 I remember that most people thought 0:04:19.815,0:04:22.216 that grooming was just the previous step 0:04:22.216,0:04:25.897 to arrange a meeting with [br]the kids and have sex with them. 0:04:28.075,0:04:30.634 But they didn't think about[br]what happened with kids 0:04:30.635,0:04:34.635 that were exposed to talk about sex[br]with an adult, without knowing it, 0:04:35.732,0:04:39.502 sharing private photos thinking [br]only another kid will see them 0:04:39.502,0:04:40.618 or even worse, 0:04:41.501,0:04:43.626 exposing themselves [br]using their web cam. 0:04:44.703,0:04:47.273 Nobody saw this as raping. 0:04:49.055,0:04:53.524 I'm sure lots of you find it weird to[br]think that one person can abuse another 0:04:53.524,0:04:55.083 without physical contact. 0:04:55.745,0:04:57.925 Our mindset is built this way. 0:04:59.194,0:05:01.284 I know, because I used to think the same. 0:05:01.284,0:05:03.584 I was just an information technician 0:05:05.176,0:05:06.986 until this happened to me. 0:05:09.124,0:05:10.764 By the end of 2011, 0:05:11.903,0:05:14.512 in a little town in Buenos Aires, 0:05:14.513,0:05:17.073 I heard about a case for the first time. 0:05:18.608,0:05:20.038 After giving a talk, 0:05:21.212,0:05:25.961 I met the parents of an 11-year-old girl[br]who had suffered grooming. 0:05:27.942,0:05:29.881 An adult had manipulated her 0:05:29.882,0:05:32.071 into masturbate in front of her web cam 0:05:32.072,0:05:33.512 and had recorded her. 0:05:34.083,0:05:37.042 And the video was on several websites. 0:05:38.809,0:05:41.458 That day, her parents asked us, in tears, 0:05:41.459,0:05:42.969 to tell them 0:05:42.969,0:05:45.001 how to delete those videos [br]from the Internet. 0:05:47.864,0:05:49.774 That broke my heart, 0:05:49.774,0:05:51.544 and changed me forever, 0:05:51.545,0:05:54.875 being their last disappointment,[br]telling them it was too late. 0:05:55.499,0:05:58.069 Once content is online, 0:05:58.069,0:06:00.259 we've already lost control. 0:06:02.542,0:06:05.552 Since that day, I think about that girl 0:06:06.938,0:06:10.038 waking up in the morning, [br]having breakfast with her family, 0:06:10.584,0:06:12.001 which had seen the video, 0:06:13.039,0:06:15.979 and then walking to school, meeting people 0:06:15.984,0:06:17.594 that had seen her naked, 0:06:18.492,0:06:22.782 arriving to school, playing with [br]her friends, who had also seen her. 0:06:24.079,0:06:25.629 That was her life. 0:06:27.330,0:06:28.740 Exposed. 0:06:31.518,0:06:33.738 Of course, nobody raped her body, 0:06:35.398,0:06:38.848 but hasn't her sexuality been abused? 0:06:40.551,0:06:45.491 We clearly use different standards [br]to measure physical and digital things. 0:06:47.191,0:06:49.150 And we get angry at social networks 0:06:49.151,0:06:50.910 because being angry with ourselves 0:06:50.911,0:06:53.141 is more painful and more sincere. 0:06:54.509,0:06:59.038 And this takes us to another reason why[br]we don't take good care of this topic. 0:07:00.009,0:07:02.289 We believe kids 0:07:02.289,0:07:04.628 don't need our help, 0:07:04.628,0:07:07.354 that they "know everything"[br]about technology. 0:07:09.976,0:07:11.266 When I was a kid, 0:07:12.347,0:07:15.367 my parents at some point started[br]letting me walk to school alone. 0:07:17.157,0:07:21.037 After walking with them [br]for many years, 0:07:22.416,0:07:24.025 one day they talked to me, 0:07:24.025,0:07:26.046 gave me the house keys 0:07:26.046,0:07:29.791 and told me: "Be very careful with them, [br]don't give them to anyone, 0:07:29.792,0:07:33.971 take the road we showed you,[br]be at home at the time we said, 0:07:33.971,0:07:37.374 cross the street at the corners [br]and look both ways before you cross, 0:07:37.374,0:07:41.503 and, no matter what, [br]don't talk to strangers." 0:07:42.795,0:07:44.825 I knew everything about walking, 0:07:45.477,0:07:48.456 however, there was a responsible adult 0:07:48.456,0:07:50.037 taking care of me. 0:07:50.763,0:07:53.852 Knowing how to do something[br]is not the same 0:07:53.852,0:07:55.253 as doing it safely. 0:07:56.537,0:07:58.306 Imagine this situation: 0:07:58.307,0:08:00.746 I'm 10 or 11 years old,[br]I wake up in the morning, 0:08:00.747,0:08:02.672 my parents give me the keys and say: 0:08:02.673,0:08:05.209 "Seba, now you can walk to school alone." 0:08:06.189,0:08:08.389 And when I come back late, 0:08:09.292,0:08:12.709 they say, "You should arrive[br]at the time we said." 0:08:14.654,0:08:16.614 And two weeks later, 0:08:16.614,0:08:19.746 they say, by the way, "You know what? 0:08:19.746,0:08:21.764 You have to cross at the corners 0:08:21.764,0:08:23.726 and look both ways before crossing." 0:08:24.754,0:08:26.354 And two years later: 0:08:27.365,0:08:30.625 "And also, don't talk to strangers." 0:08:32.647,0:08:34.385 It sounds absurd, right? 0:08:36.085,0:08:38.975 We have the same absurd behavior[br]in relation to technology. 0:08:39.957,0:08:43.486 We give kids total access[br]and we see if one day, 0:08:43.486,0:08:45.106 sooner or later, 0:08:45.106,0:08:47.807 they learn how to take care of themselves. 0:08:48.770,0:08:51.269 Doing something is not the same 0:08:51.269,0:08:53.010 as doing it safely. 0:08:54.445,0:08:57.044 When we talk to parents, 0:08:57.045,0:08:58.868 they often say 0:08:58.868,0:09:02.985 that they don't care about [br]technology and social networks. 0:09:04.030,0:09:07.100 I always ask them if they [br]care about their kids. 0:09:07.828,0:09:10.457 As adults, getting in touch or not [br]with technology, 0:09:10.458,0:09:12.708 means getting in touch or not [br]with the kids. 0:09:13.210,0:09:14.970 Internet is part of their lives. 0:09:16.375,0:09:21.594 Technology makes us rethink the[br]relationship between adults and kids. 0:09:22.725,0:09:25.535 Education was always based [br]on two main concepts: 0:09:26.036,0:09:28.776 experience and knowledge. 0:09:30.375,0:09:34.504 How can we teach to be safe online 0:09:34.505,0:09:36.995 when we don't have either? 0:09:37.653,0:09:40.512 Today, as adults, we have to guide kids 0:09:40.513,0:09:43.112 on fields that sometimes we don't know, 0:09:43.113,0:09:45.683 and that are more friendly to them. 0:09:47.171,0:09:50.280 It's impossible to find an answer 0:09:50.281,0:09:53.200 without doing new and[br]uncomfortable things, 0:09:53.201,0:09:54.971 things we're not used to. 0:09:57.250,0:10:00.124 A lot of you may think it's easy for me, 0:10:00.124,0:10:01.871 because I'm quite young, 0:10:02.509,0:10:03.989 and it used to be like this. 0:10:05.170,0:10:06.330 It used to. 0:10:07.998,0:10:09.378 Until last year, 0:10:09.869,0:10:14.089 when I felt the weight [br]of my age on my shoulders 0:10:15.250,0:10:20.218 the first time I opened Snapchat. 0:10:20.218,0:10:21.876 (Laughter) 0:10:22.791,0:10:24.791 (Applause) 0:10:29.413,0:10:32.253 I didn't understand a thing! 0:10:33.149,0:10:35.499 I found it unnecessary, 0:10:35.501,0:10:38.738 useless, hard to understand; 0:10:38.739,0:10:40.499 it looked like a camera! 0:10:40.501,0:10:42.419 It didn't have a menu! 0:10:44.492,0:10:48.161 It was the first time I felt[br]the gap that sometimes exists 0:10:48.162,0:10:49.892 between kids and adults. 0:10:51.222,0:10:54.022 But it was also an opportunity[br]to do the right thing 0:10:54.974,0:10:57.324 and get out of my comfort zone. 0:10:58.776,0:11:02.216 I felt I would never use Snapchat, 0:11:02.216,0:11:04.681 but then I asked my teenage cousin, 0:11:05.320,0:11:07.170 to show me how she used it. 0:11:08.177,0:11:10.007 And also why she used it. 0:11:10.616,0:11:12.276 What was fun about it? 0:11:13.360,0:11:14.920 We had a really nice talk, 0:11:15.757,0:11:18.386 she showed me her Snapchat[br]and talked about things, 0:11:18.386,0:11:20.797 we got closer, we laughed. 0:11:22.413,0:11:23.793 Today, I use it. 0:11:24.503,0:11:26.003 (Laughter) 0:11:26.616,0:11:28.495 I don't know if I do it right -- 0:11:28.495,0:11:32.866 but the most important thing is[br]that I know it and I understand it. 0:11:34.180,0:11:37.890 The key was to overcome [br]the first impression, 0:11:38.499,0:11:40.349 and do something new; 0:11:41.872,0:11:43.311 something new. 0:11:43.312,0:11:46.232 Today, we have the chance[br]to create new conversations. 0:11:47.140,0:11:49.479 Which is the last app you downloaded? 0:11:49.480,0:11:52.340 Which social network do you use [br]to contact your friends? 0:11:52.934,0:11:55.124 Which kind of information do you share? 0:11:56.387,0:11:58.577 Were you approached by any stranger? 0:12:00.547,0:12:03.677 Could we have these talks[br]between kids and adults? 0:12:05.364,0:12:07.144 We have to make ourselves do it. 0:12:08.071,0:12:12.641 Today, lots of kids are listening to us. 0:12:14.351,0:12:17.090 Sometimes when we go[br]to schools to give our talks, 0:12:17.091,0:12:20.280 or through the social networks,[br]kids ask or tell us 0:12:20.281,0:12:24.960 things they didn't tell[br]their parents or their teachers... 0:12:25.641,0:12:27.721 They don't even know us. 0:12:30.794,0:12:32.734 Those kids need to know 0:12:33.845,0:12:36.165 which are the risks of being online, 0:12:37.887,0:12:39.756 to take care of themselves 0:12:39.756,0:12:43.227 but also that, as almost everything else, 0:12:43.227,0:12:46.232 they can learn this from any adult. 0:12:49.156,0:12:53.295 Online safety has to be a topic 0:12:53.296,0:12:56.556 in every house and in every classroom. 0:12:57.641,0:12:59.460 We did a survey this year that showed 0:12:59.461,0:13:03.260 that 15 percent of schools said [br]they knew cases of grooming 0:13:03.261,0:13:04.521 inside the school. 0:13:05.254,0:13:07.404 And this number is growing. 0:13:09.470,0:13:12.989 Technology changed [br]every aspect of our life, 0:13:12.990,0:13:15.400 including the risks we face 0:13:15.400,0:13:17.350 and how we take care of ourselves. 0:13:18.209,0:13:22.019 Grooming shows us this [br]in the most painful way, 0:13:22.678,0:13:24.548 messing up with the kids. 0:13:26.655,0:13:28.965 Are we going to do [br]something to avoid this? 0:13:29.961,0:13:33.761 The solution starts with [br]something very easy: 0:13:34.351,0:13:35.590 Talking about it. 0:13:35.591,0:13:36.590 Thank you. 0:13:36.591,0:13:37.651 (Applause)