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Could you describe a time in which

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the Lord disciplined you,

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and you look back on that time

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with utter thankfulness

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for the fruit it yielded in your life?

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Kevin: I mean, over the years,

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as a Christian and a pastor,

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there's been many times

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where the Lord's disciplining you.

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Whether it's for something [br]you're doing wrong

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or whether it's just to help you [br]trust Him more and grow,

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when you stand back later,

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you look back and you can see

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how the Lord's grown you.

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The example that most comes to mind

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is the first church I pastored.

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I went in.

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There weren't believers apart[br]from maybe a handful,

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but I preached a sermon:

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"You Must Be Born Again."

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All hell broke loose.

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They're saying, "We don't [br]have that talk in here."

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They just wanted me out the door.

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I was quickly out there,

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but it was a major crisis and so forth.

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They meant it for evil - [br]those who were doing it.

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I'm not excusing them.

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But I had so much pride in me at the time

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and the Lord really just grounded me

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to a powder in the whole experience.

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But afterwards, I was [br]just so thankful for it.

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And you start to realize as well,

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things where you'd been overly harsh

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with certain people,

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or expecting too much

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and things like that as well afterwards,

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through seeing your own weaknesses too

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in those situations.