1 00:00:12,330 --> 00:00:13,525 Thanks very much. 2 00:00:13,525 --> 00:00:17,153 I'm not going to beat Gregory with his saxophone for sure, but bear with me. 3 00:00:17,153 --> 00:00:21,367 This might be - no, it won't be remotely as interesting, as good or entertaining. 4 00:00:22,364 --> 00:00:23,771 Is there a real you? 5 00:00:23,771 --> 00:00:26,475 This might seem to you like a very odd question. 6 00:00:26,475 --> 00:00:28,707 Because, you might ask, 7 00:00:28,707 --> 00:00:31,043 how do we find the real you, 8 00:00:31,043 --> 00:00:33,302 how do you know what the real you is? 9 00:00:33,302 --> 00:00:34,346 And so forth. 10 00:00:34,346 --> 00:00:37,182 But the idea that there must be a real you, 11 00:00:37,182 --> 00:00:38,742 surely that's obvious. 12 00:00:38,742 --> 00:00:41,708 If there's anything real in the world, it's you. 13 00:00:42,013 --> 00:00:44,106 Well, I'm not quite sure. 14 00:00:44,106 --> 00:00:46,957 At least we have to understand a bit better what that means. 15 00:00:46,957 --> 00:00:50,390 Now certainly, I think there are lots of things in our culture around us 16 00:00:50,390 --> 00:00:52,495 which sort of reinforce the idea 17 00:00:52,495 --> 00:00:56,064 that for each one of us, we have a kind of a core, an essence. 18 00:00:56,064 --> 00:00:59,388 There is something about what it means to be you which defines you, 19 00:00:59,388 --> 00:01:01,616 and it's kind of permanent and unchanging. 20 00:01:01,616 --> 00:01:03,988 The most kind of crude way in which we have it, 21 00:01:03,988 --> 00:01:05,607 are things like horoscopes. 22 00:01:05,607 --> 00:01:08,218 You know, people are very wedded to these, actually. 23 00:01:08,218 --> 00:01:10,611 People put them on their Facebook profile 24 00:01:10,611 --> 00:01:12,094 as though they are meaningul, 25 00:01:12,094 --> 00:01:14,239 you even know your Chinese horoscope as well. 26 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:16,674 There are also more scientific versions of this, 27 00:01:16,674 --> 00:01:19,695 all sorts of ways of profiling personality type, 28 00:01:19,695 --> 00:01:22,523 such as the Myers-Briggs tests, for example. 29 00:01:22,523 --> 00:01:24,158 I don't know if you've done those. 30 00:01:24,158 --> 00:01:26,239 A lot of companies use these for recruitment. 31 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:28,758 You answer a lot of questions, 32 00:01:28,758 --> 00:01:33,292 and this is supposed to reveal something about your core personality. 33 00:01:33,292 --> 00:01:36,478 And of course, the popular fascination with this is enormous. 34 00:01:36,478 --> 00:01:38,261 In magazines like this, you'll see, 35 00:01:38,261 --> 00:01:41,723 in the bottom left corner, they'll advertise in virtually every issue 36 00:01:41,723 --> 00:01:43,833 some kind of personality thing. 37 00:01:43,833 --> 00:01:45,903 And if you pick up one of those magazines, 38 00:01:45,903 --> 00:01:47,391 it's hard to resist, isn't it? 39 00:01:47,391 --> 00:01:49,826 Doing the test to find what is your learning style, 40 00:01:49,826 --> 00:01:52,854 what is your loving style, or what is your working style? 41 00:01:52,854 --> 00:01:55,107 Are you this kind of person or that? 42 00:01:55,107 --> 00:01:58,273 So I think that we have a common-sense idea 43 00:01:58,273 --> 00:02:01,647 that there is a kind of core or essence of ourselves 44 00:02:01,647 --> 00:02:03,198 to be discovered. 45 00:02:03,198 --> 00:02:06,315 And that this is kind of a permanent truth about ourselves, 46 00:02:06,315 --> 00:02:09,006 something that's the same throughout life. 47 00:02:09,006 --> 00:02:12,222 Well, that's the idea I want to challenge. 48 00:02:12,222 --> 00:02:14,813 And I have to say now, I'll say it a bit later, 49 00:02:14,813 --> 00:02:17,510 but I'm not challenging this just because I'm weird, 50 00:02:17,510 --> 00:02:20,993 the challenge actually has a very, very long and distinguished history. 51 00:02:20,993 --> 00:02:22,999 Here's the common-sense idea. 52 00:02:22,999 --> 00:02:24,186 There is you. 53 00:02:24,186 --> 00:02:28,095 You are the individuals you are, and you have this kind of core. 54 00:02:28,095 --> 00:02:31,921 Now in your life, what happens is that you, of course, 55 00:02:31,921 --> 00:02:34,721 accumulate different experiences and so forth. 56 00:02:34,721 --> 00:02:36,573 So you have memories, 57 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:39,466 and these memories help to create what you are. 58 00:02:39,466 --> 00:02:41,686 You have desires, maybe for a cookie, 59 00:02:41,686 --> 00:02:44,276 maybe for something that we don't want to talk about 60 00:02:44,276 --> 00:02:46,447 at 11 o'clock in the morning in a school. 61 00:02:46,447 --> 00:02:47,740 You will have beliefs. 62 00:02:47,740 --> 00:02:49,967 This is a number plate from someone in America. 63 00:02:49,967 --> 00:02:52,934 I don't know whether this number plate, which says "messiah 1," 64 00:02:52,934 --> 00:02:55,751 indicates that the driver believes in the messiah, 65 00:02:55,751 --> 00:02:57,678 or that they are the messiah. 66 00:02:57,678 --> 00:03:00,658 Either way, they have beliefs about messiahs. 67 00:03:00,658 --> 00:03:02,120 We have knowledge. 68 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,378 We have sensations and experiences as well. 69 00:03:04,378 --> 00:03:06,895 It's not just intellectual things. 70 00:03:06,895 --> 00:03:09,421 So this is kind of the common-sense model, I think, 71 00:03:09,421 --> 00:03:10,650 of what a person is. 72 00:03:10,650 --> 00:03:16,193 There is a person who has all the things that make up our life experiences. 73 00:03:16,193 --> 00:03:19,076 But the suggestion I want to put to you today 74 00:03:19,076 --> 00:03:22,347 is that there's something fundamentally wrong with this model. 75 00:03:22,347 --> 00:03:24,927 And I can show you what's wrong with one click. 76 00:03:24,927 --> 00:03:30,774 Which is there isn't actually a "you" at the heart of all these experiences. 77 00:03:31,763 --> 00:03:33,629 Strange thought? Well, maybe not. 78 00:03:33,629 --> 00:03:34,944 What is there, then? 79 00:03:34,944 --> 00:03:38,190 Well, clearly there are memories, desires, intentions, sensations, 80 00:03:38,190 --> 00:03:39,682 and so forth. 81 00:03:39,682 --> 00:03:42,397 But what happens is these things exist, 82 00:03:42,397 --> 00:03:44,601 and they're kind of all integrated, 83 00:03:44,601 --> 00:03:47,948 they're overlapped, they're connected in various different ways. 84 00:03:47,948 --> 00:03:50,781 They're connecting partly, and perhaps even mainly, 85 00:03:50,781 --> 00:03:54,288 because they all belong to one body and one brain. 86 00:03:54,288 --> 00:03:57,187 But there's also a narrative, a story we tell about ourselves, 87 00:03:57,187 --> 00:04:00,131 the experiences we have when we remember past things. 88 00:04:00,131 --> 00:04:02,538 We do things because of other things. 89 00:04:02,538 --> 00:04:06,237 So what we desire is partly a result of what we believe, 90 00:04:06,237 --> 00:04:09,770 and what we remember is also informing us what we know. 91 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:12,071 And so really, there are all these things, 92 00:04:12,071 --> 00:04:15,002 like beliefs, desires, sensations, experiences, 93 00:04:15,002 --> 00:04:17,683 they're all related to each other, 94 00:04:17,683 --> 00:04:20,220 and that just is you. 95 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:26,260 In some ways, it's a small difference from the common-sense understanding. 96 00:04:26,260 --> 00:04:28,216 In some ways, it's a massive one. 97 00:04:28,216 --> 00:04:30,328 It's the shift between thinking of yourself 98 00:04:30,328 --> 00:04:33,729 as a thing which has all the experiences of life, 99 00:04:33,729 --> 00:04:36,532 and thinking of yourself as simply that collection 100 00:04:36,532 --> 00:04:38,674 of all experiences in life. 101 00:04:38,674 --> 00:04:41,071 You are the sum of your parts. 102 00:04:41,071 --> 00:04:43,869 Now those parts are also physical parts, of course, 103 00:04:43,869 --> 00:04:45,925 brains, bodies and legs and things, 104 00:04:45,925 --> 00:04:47,865 but they aren't so important, actually. 105 00:04:47,865 --> 00:04:50,446 If you have a heart transplant, you're still the same person. 106 00:04:50,446 --> 00:04:53,338 If you have a memory transplant, are you the same person? 107 00:04:53,338 --> 00:04:56,392 If you have a belief transplant, would you be the same person? 108 00:04:56,392 --> 00:05:00,737 Now this idea, that what we are, the way to understand ourselves, 109 00:05:00,737 --> 00:05:05,156 is as not of some permanent being, which has experiences, 110 00:05:05,156 --> 00:05:07,994 but is kind of a collection of experiences, 111 00:05:07,994 --> 00:05:10,662 might strike you as kind of weird. 112 00:05:10,662 --> 00:05:13,005 But actually, I don't think it should be weird. 113 00:05:13,005 --> 00:05:14,795 In a way, it's common sense. 114 00:05:14,795 --> 00:05:17,723 Because I just invite you to think about, by comparison, 115 00:05:17,723 --> 00:05:21,510 think about pretty much anything else in the universe, 116 00:05:21,932 --> 00:05:25,360 maybe apart from the very most fundamental forces or powers. 117 00:05:25,532 --> 00:05:27,778 Let's take something like water. 118 00:05:27,778 --> 00:05:30,192 Now my science isn't very good. 119 00:05:30,192 --> 00:05:32,877 We might say something like water has two parts hydrogen 120 00:05:32,877 --> 00:05:35,100 and one parts oxygen, right? 121 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:36,667 We all know that. 122 00:05:36,667 --> 00:05:40,035 I hope no one in this room thinks that what that means 123 00:05:40,035 --> 00:05:43,894 is there is a thing called water, and attached to it 124 00:05:43,894 --> 00:05:46,861 are hydrogen and oxygen atoms, 125 00:05:46,861 --> 00:05:48,161 and that's what water is. 126 00:05:48,161 --> 00:05:49,599 Of course we don't. 127 00:05:49,599 --> 00:05:52,666 We understand, very easily, very straightforwardly, 128 00:05:52,666 --> 00:05:54,351 that water is nothing more 129 00:05:54,351 --> 00:05:58,706 than the hydrogen and oxygen molecules suitably arranged. 130 00:05:59,083 --> 00:06:01,530 Everything else in the universe is the same. 131 00:06:01,530 --> 00:06:04,208 There's no mystery about my watch, for example. 132 00:06:05,217 --> 00:06:08,205 We say the watch has a face, and hands, 133 00:06:08,205 --> 00:06:09,901 and a mechanism and a battery, 134 00:06:09,901 --> 00:06:11,349 But what we really mean is, 135 00:06:11,349 --> 00:06:13,617 we don't think there is a thing called the watch 136 00:06:13,617 --> 00:06:15,489 to which we then attach all these bits. 137 00:06:15,489 --> 00:06:18,686 We understand very clearly that you get the parts of the watch, 138 00:06:18,686 --> 00:06:21,173 you put them together, and you create a watch. 139 00:06:21,173 --> 00:06:23,642 Now if everything else in the universe is like this, 140 00:06:23,642 --> 00:06:25,717 why are we different? 141 00:06:25,717 --> 00:06:27,386 Why think of ourselves 142 00:06:27,386 --> 00:06:31,192 as somehow not just being a collection of all our parts, 143 00:06:31,192 --> 00:06:35,767 but somehow being a separate, permanent entity which has those parts? 144 00:06:36,388 --> 00:06:39,284 Now this view is not particularly new, actually. 145 00:06:39,284 --> 00:06:40,727 It has quite a long lineage. 146 00:06:40,727 --> 00:06:42,342 You find it in Buddhism, 147 00:06:42,342 --> 00:06:44,985 you find it in 17th, 18th-century philosophy 148 00:06:44,985 --> 00:06:48,754 going through to the current day, people like Locke and Hume. 149 00:06:48,754 --> 00:06:50,573 But interestingly, it's also a view 150 00:06:50,573 --> 00:06:54,291 increasingly being heard reinforced by neuroscience. 151 00:06:54,928 --> 00:06:58,390 This is Paul Broks, he's a clinical neuropsychologist, 152 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:59,816 and he says this: 153 00:06:59,816 --> 00:07:02,456 "We have a deep intuition that there is a core, 154 00:07:02,456 --> 00:07:04,778 an essence there, and it's hard to shake off, 155 00:07:04,778 --> 00:07:07,691 probably impossible to shake off, I suspect. 156 00:07:07,691 --> 00:07:11,371 But it's true that neuroscience shows that there is no centre in the brain 157 00:07:11,371 --> 00:07:13,915 where things do all come together." 158 00:07:13,915 --> 00:07:16,262 So when you look at the brain, 159 00:07:16,262 --> 00:07:20,145 and you look at how the brain makes possible a sense of self, 160 00:07:20,145 --> 00:07:23,981 you find that there isn't a central control spot in the brain. 161 00:07:23,981 --> 00:07:27,044 There is no kind of center where everything happens. 162 00:07:27,044 --> 00:07:29,668 There are lots of different processes in the brain, 163 00:07:29,668 --> 00:07:32,737 all of which operate, in a way, quite independently. 164 00:07:32,737 --> 00:07:35,591 But it's because of the way that they relate 165 00:07:35,591 --> 00:07:38,054 that we get this sense of self. 166 00:07:38,054 --> 00:07:41,696 The term I use in the book, I call it the ego trick. 167 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:46,493 It's like a mechanical trick. 168 00:07:46,969 --> 00:07:49,352 It's not that we don't exist, 169 00:07:49,352 --> 00:07:52,490 it's just that the trick is to make us feel that inside of us 170 00:07:52,490 --> 00:07:55,623 is something more unified than is really there. 171 00:07:55,623 --> 00:07:58,860 Now you might think this is a worrying idea. 172 00:07:58,860 --> 00:08:01,404 You might think that if it's true, 173 00:08:01,404 --> 00:08:05,381 that for each one of us there is no abiding core of self, 174 00:08:05,381 --> 00:08:07,229 no permanent essence, 175 00:08:07,229 --> 00:08:11,149 does that mean that really, the self is an illusion? 176 00:08:11,149 --> 00:08:13,420 Does it mean that we really don't exist? 177 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:15,321 There is no real you. 178 00:08:15,321 --> 00:08:19,196 Well, a lot of people actually do use this talk of illusion and so forth. 179 00:08:19,196 --> 00:08:22,586 These are three psychologists, Thomas Metzinger, Bruce Hood, 180 00:08:22,586 --> 00:08:24,509 Susan Blackmore, 181 00:08:24,509 --> 00:08:27,675 a lot of these people do talk the language of illusion, 182 00:08:27,675 --> 00:08:29,999 the self is an illusion, it's a fiction. 183 00:08:29,999 --> 00:08:32,778 But I don't think this is a very helpful way of looking at it. 184 00:08:32,778 --> 00:08:34,352 Go back to the watch. 185 00:08:34,352 --> 00:08:37,825 The watch isn't an illusion, because there is nothing to the watch 186 00:08:37,825 --> 00:08:40,050 other than a collection of its parts. 187 00:08:40,050 --> 00:08:42,609 In the same way, we're not illusions either. 188 00:08:42,609 --> 00:08:47,551 The fact that we are, in some ways, just this very, very complex collection, 189 00:08:47,551 --> 00:08:49,228 ordered collection of things, 190 00:08:49,228 --> 00:08:51,254 does not mean we're not real. 191 00:08:51,254 --> 00:08:54,411 I can give you a very sort of rough metaphor for this. 192 00:08:54,411 --> 00:08:56,643 Let's take something like a waterfall. 193 00:08:56,643 --> 00:08:59,404 These are the Iguazu Falls, in Argentina. 194 00:09:00,516 --> 00:09:02,622 Now if you take something like this, 195 00:09:02,622 --> 00:09:05,374 you can appreciate the fact that in lots of ways, 196 00:09:05,374 --> 00:09:07,540 there's nothing permanent about this. 197 00:09:07,540 --> 00:09:09,401 For one thing, it's always changing. 198 00:09:09,401 --> 00:09:12,251 The waters are always carving new channels. 199 00:09:12,251 --> 00:09:14,463 with changes in tides and the weather, 200 00:09:14,463 --> 00:09:18,294 some things dry up, new things are created. 201 00:09:18,984 --> 00:09:22,141 Of course the water that flows through the waterfall 202 00:09:22,141 --> 00:09:24,582 is different at every single instance. 203 00:09:24,582 --> 00:09:28,215 But it doesn't mean that the Iguazu Falls are an illusion. 204 00:09:28,215 --> 00:09:30,298 It doesn't mean it's not real. 205 00:09:30,298 --> 00:09:32,872 What it means is we have to understand what it is 206 00:09:32,872 --> 00:09:34,936 as something which has a history, 207 00:09:34,936 --> 00:09:37,487 has certain things that keep it together, 208 00:09:37,487 --> 00:09:40,587 but it's a process, it's fluid, it's forever changing. 209 00:09:40,587 --> 00:09:43,994 Now that, I think, is a model for understanding ourselves, 210 00:09:43,994 --> 00:09:46,174 and I think it's a liberating model. 211 00:09:46,174 --> 00:09:49,058 Because if you think that you have this fixed, permanent essence, 212 00:09:49,058 --> 00:09:51,871 which is always the same, throughout your life, no matter what, 213 00:09:51,871 --> 00:09:54,391 in a sense you're kind of trapped. 214 00:09:54,391 --> 00:09:56,983 You're born with an essence, 215 00:09:56,983 --> 00:09:59,518 that's what you are until you die, 216 00:09:59,518 --> 00:10:02,668 if you believe in an afterlife, maybe you continue. 217 00:10:02,668 --> 00:10:05,406 But if you think of yourself as being, in a way, 218 00:10:05,406 --> 00:10:08,756 not a thing as such, but a kind of a process, 219 00:10:08,756 --> 00:10:11,004 something that is changing, 220 00:10:11,004 --> 00:10:13,137 then I think that's quite liberating. 221 00:10:13,137 --> 00:10:15,481 Because unlike the the waterfalls, 222 00:10:15,481 --> 00:10:17,828 we actually have the capacity to channel 223 00:10:17,828 --> 00:10:21,914 the direction of our development for ourselves to a certain degree. 224 00:10:21,914 --> 00:10:23,944 Now we've got to be careful here, right? 225 00:10:23,944 --> 00:10:27,149 If you watch the X-Factor too much, you might buy into this idea 226 00:10:27,149 --> 00:10:29,666 that we can all be whatever we want to be. 227 00:10:29,666 --> 00:10:31,014 That's not true. 228 00:10:31,014 --> 00:10:33,506 I've heard some fantastic musicians this morning, 229 00:10:33,506 --> 00:10:36,989 and I am very confident that I could in no way be as good as them. 230 00:10:36,989 --> 00:10:39,378 I could practice hard and maybe be good, 231 00:10:39,378 --> 00:10:42,271 but I don't have that really natural ability. 232 00:10:42,271 --> 00:10:44,792 There are limits to what we can achieve. 233 00:10:44,792 --> 00:10:47,353 There are limits to what we can make of ourselves. 234 00:10:47,353 --> 00:10:49,855 But nevertheless, we do have this capacity 235 00:10:49,855 --> 00:10:53,502 to, in a sense, shape ourselves. 236 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:56,357 The true self, as it were then, 237 00:10:56,357 --> 00:11:00,119 is not something that is just there for you to discover, 238 00:11:00,119 --> 00:11:03,698 you don't sort of look into your soul and find your true self. 239 00:11:03,698 --> 00:11:05,654 What you are partly doing, at least, 240 00:11:05,654 --> 00:11:08,243 is actually creating your true self. 241 00:11:08,243 --> 00:11:10,361 And this, I think, is very, very significant, 242 00:11:10,361 --> 00:11:12,530 particularly at this stage of life you're at. 243 00:11:12,530 --> 00:11:14,078 You'll be aware of the fact 244 00:11:14,078 --> 00:11:16,098 how much of you changed over recent years. 245 00:11:16,098 --> 00:11:19,062 If you have any videos of yourself, three or four years ago, 246 00:11:19,062 --> 00:11:22,642 you probably feel embarrassed because you don't recognize yourself. 247 00:11:22,642 --> 00:11:25,839 So I want to get that message over, that what we need to do 248 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:28,591 is think about ourselves as things that we can shape, 249 00:11:28,591 --> 00:11:29,903 and channel and change. 250 00:11:29,903 --> 00:11:31,441 This is the Buddha, again: 251 00:11:31,441 --> 00:11:33,257 "Well-makers lead the water, 252 00:11:33,257 --> 00:11:34,806 fletchers bend the arrow, 253 00:11:34,806 --> 00:11:36,844 carpenters bend a log of wood, 254 00:11:36,844 --> 00:11:40,278 wise people fashion themselves." 255 00:11:40,597 --> 00:11:42,961 And that's the idea I want to leave you with, 256 00:11:42,961 --> 00:11:48,818 that your true self is not something that you will have to go searching for, 257 00:11:49,134 --> 00:11:51,903 as a mystery, and maybe never ever find. 258 00:11:51,903 --> 00:11:54,345 To the extent you have a true self, 259 00:11:54,345 --> 00:11:56,821 it's something that you in part discover, 260 00:11:56,821 --> 00:11:59,315 but in part create. 261 00:11:59,315 --> 00:12:03,446 and that, I think, is a liberating and exciting prospect. 262 00:12:04,013 --> 00:12:05,575 Thank you very much. 263 00:12:05,575 --> 00:12:07,572 (Applause)