1 00:00:00,370 --> 00:00:04,324 To be "all things to all men," 2 00:00:04,324 --> 00:00:06,322 and I guess in light of some stuff 3 00:00:06,322 --> 00:00:07,809 that he happens to be a person 4 00:00:07,809 --> 00:00:09,935 that pushes some extremes, 5 00:00:09,935 --> 00:00:12,227 it seems that something that's becoming big now 6 00:00:12,227 --> 00:00:13,769 is the whole "pub theology," 7 00:00:13,769 --> 00:00:16,159 going to bars and having Bible studies. 8 00:00:16,159 --> 00:00:17,931 And my personal stance 9 00:00:17,931 --> 00:00:19,070 based on the Scriptures 10 00:00:19,070 --> 00:00:21,768 is in opposition to stuff like that, 11 00:00:21,768 --> 00:00:24,819 and I have a buddy that I work with 12 00:00:24,819 --> 00:00:27,245 that he's the only other "Christian" 13 00:00:27,245 --> 00:00:28,370 in my workplace 14 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:30,929 in a largely unbelieving workplace. 15 00:00:30,929 --> 00:00:33,571 And he is constantly pushing, 16 00:00:33,571 --> 00:00:36,164 promoting that kind of lifestyle 17 00:00:36,164 --> 00:00:37,833 to reach people, 18 00:00:37,833 --> 00:00:39,749 and then I'm the overly dogmatic person 19 00:00:39,749 --> 00:00:42,707 because I don't understand it - 20 00:00:42,707 --> 00:00:44,695 why you would go into the bars 21 00:00:44,695 --> 00:00:46,637 to actually drink with everybody 22 00:00:46,637 --> 00:00:48,270 and have a Bible study doing it 23 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:49,240 to reach people. 24 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,950 So I understand the "all things to all men" 25 00:00:51,950 --> 00:00:56,234 and I guess wisdom, insight? 26 00:00:56,234 --> 00:01:00,641 Am I pushing on the lines of legalism? 27 00:01:00,641 --> 00:01:05,919 Or is stuff like that too far? 28 00:01:05,919 --> 00:01:08,918 Going into bars, having Bible study there? 29 00:01:08,918 --> 00:01:10,621 You know, to try and reach people. 30 00:01:10,621 --> 00:01:12,314 The "being all things" where people 31 00:01:12,314 --> 00:01:13,384 are going to use that. 32 00:01:13,384 --> 00:01:14,993 Bob: Here's an illustration 33 00:01:14,993 --> 00:01:21,929 that I saw in my own life that I never forgot. 34 00:01:21,929 --> 00:01:25,571 Between my junior and senior year in college, 35 00:01:25,571 --> 00:01:27,352 I had a summer intern job 36 00:01:27,352 --> 00:01:29,042 in Fort Dodge, Iowa. 37 00:01:29,042 --> 00:01:33,251 And there were three or four others with me 38 00:01:33,251 --> 00:01:35,498 and we all lived in this apartment house. 39 00:01:35,498 --> 00:01:38,083 And there was another fellow living there. 40 00:01:38,083 --> 00:01:42,124 He was a policeman about 10 years older than me. 41 00:01:42,124 --> 00:01:46,430 So, we would go downtown 42 00:01:46,430 --> 00:01:52,050 about every evening. 43 00:01:52,050 --> 00:01:56,812 And then, the next year, I was converted. 44 00:01:56,812 --> 00:01:59,752 And this company that I was working for 45 00:01:59,752 --> 00:02:02,895 had a regional meeting back up in Fort Dodge. 46 00:02:02,895 --> 00:02:04,340 So I thought to myself, 47 00:02:04,340 --> 00:02:06,367 I'm going to go look up Herb 48 00:02:06,367 --> 00:02:09,286 and tell him that I've become a Christian. 49 00:02:09,286 --> 00:02:11,389 So, I didn't find him at the house, 50 00:02:11,389 --> 00:02:13,642 and I thought maybe he's downtown 51 00:02:13,642 --> 00:02:15,258 at the old Cave In. 52 00:02:15,258 --> 00:02:17,823 And so sure enough, there was Herb 53 00:02:17,823 --> 00:02:20,198 sitting at the bar. 54 00:02:20,198 --> 00:02:22,912 And he was quite surprised to see me 55 00:02:22,912 --> 00:02:25,641 and he says, "Bob! Have a chair." 56 00:02:25,641 --> 00:02:28,868 "Have a drink with me." 57 00:02:28,868 --> 00:02:30,809 And I said, "No thanks, Herb, 58 00:02:30,809 --> 00:02:32,827 I've become a Christian." 59 00:02:32,827 --> 00:02:34,299 "What?" 60 00:02:34,299 --> 00:02:36,688 And so we talked awhile 61 00:02:36,688 --> 00:02:38,302 and he urged me again, 62 00:02:38,302 --> 00:02:39,879 "Have a beer with me." 63 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:41,345 And I said no. 64 00:02:41,345 --> 00:02:42,447 And he went on. 65 00:02:42,447 --> 00:02:44,658 "You're telling me you can't just sit here 66 00:02:44,658 --> 00:02:45,831 and have a beer with me? 67 00:02:45,831 --> 00:02:47,914 Who do you think you are?" 68 00:02:47,914 --> 00:02:49,228 And he put the pressure on, 69 00:02:49,228 --> 00:02:50,919 and after about four or five times, 70 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,395 I said, "Okay." 71 00:02:53,395 --> 00:02:56,098 And I had that glass of beer, 72 00:02:56,098 --> 00:02:58,873 and just as I got it to my lips, 73 00:02:58,873 --> 00:03:02,433 he said, "Look at that! I knew it wasn't real!" 74 00:03:02,433 --> 00:03:04,673 And it was just like a knife. 75 00:03:04,673 --> 00:03:07,229 So, you know, I think one big thing 76 00:03:07,229 --> 00:03:13,306 is are we going to where they're at 77 00:03:13,306 --> 00:03:15,690 with the atmosphere and the attitude 78 00:03:15,690 --> 00:03:17,749 of bringing them out? 79 00:03:17,749 --> 00:03:19,483 Or identifying with them 80 00:03:19,483 --> 00:03:22,306 and confirming them in their sin 81 00:03:22,306 --> 00:03:29,113 in whatever circumstance it is? 82 00:03:29,113 --> 00:03:31,219 Tim: Just adding to that, 83 00:03:31,219 --> 00:03:34,525 you know, in every situation, 84 00:03:34,525 --> 00:03:36,857 we're representatives of Christ, 85 00:03:36,857 --> 00:03:38,766 and we need to portray Him. 86 00:03:38,766 --> 00:03:40,743 And you know, when I talked about 87 00:03:40,743 --> 00:03:42,210 just breaking the taboos, 88 00:03:42,210 --> 00:03:44,722 you think about how Jesus 89 00:03:44,722 --> 00:03:48,404 related with people versus the religious leaders. 90 00:03:48,404 --> 00:03:50,312 Think about the things He did. 91 00:03:50,312 --> 00:03:52,804 He touched lepers. 92 00:03:52,804 --> 00:03:55,243 You didn't even get downwind from a leper. 93 00:03:55,243 --> 00:03:56,682 You didn't walk around them. 94 00:03:56,682 --> 00:03:59,039 He would stop and speak 95 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:03,491 with a woman at a well. 96 00:04:03,491 --> 00:04:06,140 He would speak with the Syro-Pheonician woman. 97 00:04:06,140 --> 00:04:07,831 He did things, but it was always 98 00:04:07,831 --> 00:04:08,853 to show kindness. 99 00:04:08,853 --> 00:04:12,198 It was always as Bob said to bring them out. 100 00:04:12,198 --> 00:04:16,247 And you know, 101 00:04:16,247 --> 00:04:19,060 I personally, I like the guy 102 00:04:19,060 --> 00:04:20,878 that does the unusual thing. 103 00:04:20,878 --> 00:04:21,920 I like that. 104 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,908 I like when people are testing the boundaries, 105 00:04:24,908 --> 00:04:27,119 but behind it you see that they're testing it 106 00:04:27,119 --> 00:04:29,709 because they really do have a burden for souls. 107 00:04:29,709 --> 00:04:33,537 And they really have a desire for purity. 108 00:04:33,537 --> 00:04:36,253 They're not trying to be as much like the world 109 00:04:36,253 --> 00:04:37,703 as they possibly can. 110 00:04:37,703 --> 00:04:39,734 They have a burden for souls, 111 00:04:39,734 --> 00:04:42,061 and they're willing to think outside the box. 112 00:04:42,061 --> 00:04:44,216 I love people like that.