1 00:00:01,475 --> 00:00:02,204 Welcome back. 2 00:00:02,300 --> 00:00:06,740 Most Canadians won't need convincing that a COVID vaccine will be worth taking 3 00:00:07,009 --> 00:00:07,759 once it arrives. 4 00:00:07,898 --> 00:00:10,858 But, as you just herd, many Canadians have questions. 5 00:00:11,149 --> 00:00:12,759 So, to answer some of ours, 6 00:00:12,811 --> 00:00:15,841 Dr. Cora Constantinescu, an infectious disease specialist 7 00:00:15,934 --> 00:00:18,834 who works at the vaccine hesitancy clinic 8 00:00:18,980 --> 00:00:21,460 at the Alberta Children’s Hospital in Calgary. 9 00:00:21,641 --> 00:00:25,021 And Dr., I didn’t even know a place such as yours even existed. 10 00:00:25,064 --> 00:00:27,724 I mean, who gets referred to you, exactly? 11 00:00:28,125 --> 00:00:31,299 We have made it into a more of a streamline process 12 00:00:31,419 --> 00:00:33,798 and have actually going out in the physician community 13 00:00:34,052 --> 00:00:39,262 and told them that we are here to support them as they refer the patients into us. 14 00:00:39,277 --> 00:00:41,107 And then, do you see it as your job 15 00:00:45,384 --> 00:00:46,311 to sort of convince people to get vaccinated? 16 00:00:46,311 --> 00:00:51,541 I see it as my job to support people as they’re making the decision to vaccinate. 17 00:00:52,273 --> 00:00:55,253 So, how does that conversation sound? 18 00:00:55,253 --> 00:00:56,887 I mean, where do you even begin? 19 00:00:59,849 --> 00:01:02,199 I star every time reminding myself 20 00:01:02,199 --> 00:01:05,857 that at the heart of each and every vaccine hesitancy appointment, 21 00:01:06,182 --> 00:01:08,292 there is a parent trying 22 00:01:08,512 --> 00:01:11,842 to make the best decision they can for themselves and for their family. 23 00:01:11,842 --> 00:01:14,462 And it actually takes quite a lot of courage to come in 24 00:01:14,469 --> 00:01:17,669 because they’re battling a lot of fears and misinformation, 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,010 and overall, a lack of trust. 26 00:01:20,307 --> 00:01:24,767 So we spend quite a lot of time building rapport and trust with each family 27 00:01:24,963 --> 00:01:28,473 understanding more about them so we can actually personalize 28 00:01:28,514 --> 00:01:34,384 and tailor the communication and the message that we give them about the vaccinations. 29 00:01:34,458 --> 00:01:36,448 And then, we work closely with public health 30 00:01:36,515 --> 00:01:39,405 where they go ahead and actually administer the vaccine. 31 00:01:39,645 --> 00:01:44,215 And that’s striking, that you would say there is this kind of lack of trust. 32 00:01:44,230 --> 00:01:48,640 I mean, how would you even begin to advice? 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,946 I don’t know, like a provincial government, a local government, 34 00:01:50,946 --> 00:01:54,583 or the federal government to create that or to build that. 35 00:01:56,764 --> 00:01:59,864 Yeah, so, I really think that when we think about trust, 36 00:01:59,864 --> 00:02:03,900 we have to think at the personal level, and at the population level. 37 00:02:04,352 --> 00:02:06,272 And at the personal level, 38 00:02:06,294 --> 00:02:10,844 it goes back to this idea of putting it into perspective 39 00:02:10,844 --> 00:02:15,907 and understanding what the benefit of the vaccine 40 00:02:15,907 --> 00:02:19,432 and the dangers of the diseases to each of us. 41 00:02:19,502 --> 00:02:21,852 So, when it comes to COVID, for example, 42 00:02:21,852 --> 00:02:26,231 I would encourage every Canadian to think of what this pandemic 43 00:02:26,723 --> 00:02:28,653 and what they have done for this pandemic 44 00:02:28,653 --> 00:02:30,666 and what this virus has taken away from them. 45 00:02:30,666 --> 00:02:32,926 So, it might be that some have lost loved ones, 46 00:02:32,926 --> 00:02:37,644 others have lost their social interaction, the ability of the kids to go to school. 47 00:02:37,748 --> 00:02:40,608 There is a cost to each and everyone of us 48 00:02:40,761 --> 00:02:44,191 and therefore, there is a benefit to each and everyone of us. 49 00:02:44,421 --> 00:02:49,151 And then, we all have to go and have to take this vaccine 50 00:02:49,170 --> 00:02:52,250 so we can show that we’re indeed in this together. 51 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:54,890 And then, when we move at the population level, 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,779 it’s really important to start building this trust. 53 00:02:57,779 --> 00:03:00,578 It’s a hard task to take on 54 00:03:00,788 --> 00:03:04,324 because you have to consider the complexity of human behavior, 55 00:03:04,330 --> 00:03:06,630 especially about COVID-19. 56 00:03:06,716 --> 00:03:09,746 And our health care institutions can't do this alone. 57 00:03:09,746 --> 00:03:13,176 I don’t want this to come across as a callous question, 58 00:03:13,194 --> 00:03:16,414 but, how do you know what you do works? 59 00:03:16,414 --> 00:03:19,154 Because you are not the one administering vaccines, right? 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,530 Do you track your success rate, so to speak? 61 00:03:22,972 --> 00:03:24,422 So, depending on how we look at it. 62 00:03:24,422 --> 00:03:27,802 It’s anywhere between about 50 to 65 % 63 00:03:27,802 --> 00:03:32,149 that patients will go ahead and have a vaccine after they’ve attended our clinic. 64 00:03:32,218 --> 00:03:35,518 And in the vaccine hesitancy world actually that’s quite successful. 65 00:03:35,529 --> 00:03:38,109 This has been an interesting conversation, to be sure. 66 00:03:38,109 --> 00:03:40,310 Dr Constantinescu, thank you so much for your time. 67 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,980 It was a real pleasure to be here, thank you for having me.