0:00:00.441,0:00:03.850 Welcome to this video![br]I'm so excited to talk about church here. 0:00:03.850,0:00:07.331 I have Justin, I have Brook,[br]and we have little Zion with us, 0:00:07.331,0:00:09.525 the youngest of four kids. 0:00:09.525,0:00:11.917 And we want to talk about church. 0:00:11.917,0:00:15.503 I have just come out with a new book[br]called "The Call of Jesus" 0:00:15.503,0:00:20.622 and I'm just excited about it. And I really [br]believe it's time to see a new movement, 0:00:20.622,0:00:26.998 when it comes to seeing new, organic, [br]powerful house fellowships start. 0:00:28.248,0:00:30.400 We will hear their story,[br]what they have seen. 0:00:30.400,0:00:34.986 I want to say that, many years ago,[br]when I got introduced to the house church, 0:00:34.986,0:00:38.059 organic church, simple church,[br]it has many names. 0:00:38.059,0:00:42.327 I was a part of a network of Simple church[br]in Europe, before we came to America. 0:00:42.927,0:00:45.168 There were many, many things [br]that were good, 0:00:45.168,0:00:48.835 but when I took a turn around,[br]much of this, 0:00:48.835,0:00:51.009 I felt there was something that was[br]missing 0:00:51.009,0:00:55.180 and some of the things I saw,[br]in some of those circles, 0:00:55.180,0:01:01.200 we talk so much about the importance[br]of having an organic structure. 0:01:01.200,0:01:03.488 And I believe in that. 0:01:03.488,0:01:08.181 But, we didn't talk so much about[br]the wine you put into the wineskins. 0:01:09.261,0:01:13.585 You can have a good wineskin, but[br]if you put a wrong wine in it, 0:01:13.585,0:01:15.584 it doesn't change anything. 0:01:16.134,0:01:21.282 And what I really see now,[br]I hope it will be clear in my new book, 0:01:22.002,0:01:25.651 it's really first and foremost about the life. 0:01:25.651,0:01:31.450 It's about the gospel, it's about discipleship,[br]it's about setting people truly free, 0:01:31.450,0:01:34.654 healing the sick, casting out demons[br]and all of that, 0:01:34.654,0:01:41.096 but when that is correct,[br]if you then put it in the old system, 0:01:41.096,0:01:42.667 you will break it. 0:01:42.667,0:01:46.476 But if you put it in the good structure,[br]you will multiply it. 0:01:46.476,0:01:50.738 And this is what we want to talk about here.[br]I hope you are ready. 0:01:52.128,0:01:55.493 You have an amazing story.[br]You experienced God. 0:01:56.423,0:02:02.270 You have been on a mission trip in Africa[br]and Nepal. You've been all over. 0:02:02.270,0:02:06.606 But 18 months ago you really started[br]with house fellowships. 0:02:07.366,0:02:10.796 The focus was not house fellowships.[br]The focus was: let's make disciples. 0:02:10.796,0:02:14.928 Can you say what brought you there[br]and then a little what have happened? 0:02:15.308,0:02:21.242 We noticed that there was lack in people,[br]in the body of Christ, actually, obeying Jesus. 0:02:21.242,0:02:24.642 That it was very knowledge based. [br]So we took it, kind of upon ourselves. 0:02:24.642,0:02:29.006 We felt the Lord was asking us to bring [br]people in our home for discipleship, 0:02:29.361,0:02:32.759 which later ended up forming into[br]actual churches, 0:02:32.969,0:02:36.579 which is great because the command[br]is to make disciples. 0:02:36.579,0:02:40.037 So, when we brought people in[br]we realized that there was a lack 0:02:40.037,0:02:43.153 in a lot of just a foundations[br]of the faith. 0:02:43.473,0:02:47.043 Not only people didn't understand[br]how to share their own faith, 0:02:47.043,0:02:50.587 they had not experienced parts [br]of the gospel themselves. 0:02:50.587,0:02:53.808 And so, one of the most important[br]things, that I think, 0:02:54.548,0:02:58.337 is needs to be discussed,[br]it needs to be brought up, 0:02:58.337,0:03:03.670 whether you're speaking with individual[br]or a group, a community of faith, 0:03:03.670,0:03:05.387 is the gospel itself. 0:03:05.387,0:03:10.045 To make sure that everybody has fully[br]walked through repentance towards God, 0:03:10.045,0:03:12.344 that they have received the Holy Spirit, 0:03:12.344,0:03:16.661 that they've cut off the old life [br]through water baptism, all those things, 0:03:16.661,0:03:19.084 and once they've experienced those things,[br]they become stable, 0:03:19.084,0:03:22.660 then you can begin to equip and train[br]to go out in ministry. 0:03:22.660,0:03:27.370 - So, you, actually, met with church people?[br]- Yes. 0:03:27.880,0:03:31.995 And you saw church people got what[br]they were lacking. 0:03:31.995,0:03:36.108 It could be repentance, for some people[br]it could be true baptism, lay down the old life, 0:03:36.108,0:03:40.879 it could be the Holy Spirit, or they walked[br]with unforgiveness and hurt in their lives 0:03:40.879,0:03:43.252 and they need to put it off[br]and they need deliverance. 0:03:43.252,0:03:46.197 And then you started to see people[br]get set free. Is that correct? 0:03:46.197,0:03:47.318 That's right. 0:03:47.318,0:03:49.232 And you started to meet[br]and it just started to grow? 0:03:49.232,0:03:51.150 Yeah, absolutely. 0:03:51.300,0:03:55.026 We started meeting with individuals.[br]Once they would get that foundation laid 0:03:55.026,0:03:59.012 and naturally the thing that takes[br]place after that is 0:03:59.012,0:04:01.256 they start to want to share [br]with other people. 0:04:01.426,0:04:02.661 And we encouraged that. 0:04:02.661,0:04:06.271 Like, now you freely have been given,[br]so freely go give out what you've been given. 0:04:06.271,0:04:08.030 You can't keep it for yourself. 0:04:08.340,0:04:11.540 So, we would teach and equip [br]on the things of practical ways 0:04:11.540,0:04:14.544 you can go and share what just[br]took place in your life, 0:04:14.544,0:04:18.068 and help them understand the gospel[br]and help them feel comfortable 0:04:18.068,0:04:20.302 on how to share that with people,[br]so it starts with family members 0:04:20.302,0:04:23.578 and friends, and things like that.[br]in the matter of weeks we were seeing 0:04:23.578,0:04:27.613 multiplication take place. And so that[br]person in this original group 0:04:27.613,0:04:30.895 that we started with, we would say:[br]Now it's your turn to take those people 0:04:30.895,0:04:34.862 into your home. Don't bring them back here, [br]so where we can become a big church 0:04:34.862,0:04:39.245 in a matter of weeks. Take them into[br]their home or into your home, 0:04:39.245,0:04:43.520 lay the foundation of the gospel,[br]make sure they're born again properly, 0:04:43.520,0:04:46.585 and then you start to lead them.[br]All you have to do is be slightly farther 0:04:46.585,0:04:48.561 than the person that you're discipling. 0:04:48.561,0:04:51.158 And if you don't know the question[br]they have, you have others who do. 0:04:51.158,0:04:53.044 So you come to them[br]and you ask questions. 0:04:55.584,0:04:59.271 The last 18 years you have started[br]nine fellowships and it's growing... 0:04:59.271,0:05:00.430 18 months. 0:05:00.430,0:05:04.740 18 months, sorry. So, in 18 months [br]nine fellowships and it's growing. 0:05:05.590,0:05:09.102 One thing that really needs to be there,[br]is what we read in the Bible, 0:05:09.102,0:05:11.992 the early disciples were forbidden [br]to tell about Jesus, 0:05:11.992,0:05:15.798 but they said: We cannot stop telling[br]about what we've seen and heard. 0:05:16.138,0:05:19.922 The woman at the well, she ran down[br]and told everyone in Samaria: 0:05:19.922,0:05:23.355 Hey, I met a guy who told me everything,[br]who I am. 0:05:23.355,0:05:29.695 And there was excitement when people[br]really experienced that true life. 0:05:29.695,0:05:33.943 And that needs to be the foundation.[br]That is the wine - that true life. 0:05:33.943,0:05:37.287 And if you study the house church movement[br]in China, 0:05:38.017,0:05:43.239 I know that 90% of all of those, [br]when they started, many years ago, 0:05:43.579,0:05:47.745 they were like evangelists, because[br]they could not stop telling about it. 0:05:48.155,0:05:53.735 So, it's not like: Hey, now we take[br]church people and we need to just 0:05:53.735,0:05:55.435 whip them and say: [br]You have to tell about Jesus. 0:05:55.435,0:05:58.728 No, we take church people,[br]we get them soundly saved and born again 0:05:58.728,0:06:03.912 and excited about the life, and then [br]the growth, somehow, happens automatically. 0:06:03.912,0:06:05.984 So, how did the growth start to happen? 0:06:06.204,0:06:09.052 Is it from person to person,[br]relationships? 0:06:09.052,0:06:11.263 Yes. Many times through relationships, 0:06:11.263,0:06:14.668 but the thing I want to speak about also[br]is that... 0:06:15.828,0:06:18.937 In all of the excitement in the beginning,[br]when people were being set free, 0:06:18.937,0:06:22.190 in the fellowship church people[br]being set free, filled with the Holy Spirit, 0:06:22.190,0:06:24.363 delivered, all those things,[br]it's very exciting, 0:06:24.363,0:06:28.594 but once everybody is stable, [br]if you don't share this message 0:06:28.594,0:06:32.327 with your community, if you don't continue [br]to see the power of God work through, 0:06:32.327,0:06:36.710 becomes very boring, because your[br]eyes begin to turn towards yourself. 0:06:36.710,0:06:40.915 And what we've noticed is that, they had[br]a certain period of time after some months, 0:06:40.915,0:06:44.379 where everybody was stable, where we[br]had to make sure that 0:06:44.379,0:06:47.720 when we came together,[br]our focus was on Jesus Christ. 0:06:47.720,0:06:51.303 And when our focus was on Jesus Christ[br]being in our meetings, 0:06:51.303,0:06:56.119 He would remind us of the mission. [br]And that mission is not church. 0:06:56.119,0:06:58.863 Right? The church, actually, has a mission. 0:06:58.863,0:07:01.948 So, the whole goal is not for us [br]to just get together. 0:07:01.948,0:07:05.155 It's to get together so we can[br]encourage, edify and equip each other 0:07:05.155,0:07:08.504 in the presence of Christ and go out [br]and share the gospel with the world. 0:07:08.504,0:07:12.432 In the introduction in my book[br]"The Call of Jesus" I talk about three things; 0:07:12.432,0:07:15.111 I talk about the church, the mission[br]and Christ. 0:07:15.111,0:07:19.479 That very often we start with the church,[br]and our system, and our culture, 0:07:19.479,0:07:22.618 and traditions of men, and out of that[br]church building, 0:07:22.618,0:07:26.613 with everything that comes with it,[br]we think: Oh, we ought to do mission, 0:07:26.613,0:07:31.737 and in the middle of mission...[br]because it's in the box now, 0:07:31.737,0:07:33.259 we forget Christ. 0:07:33.259,0:07:37.943 But if we turn upside down,[br]and we start with Christ... 0:07:37.943,0:07:43.166 you can never look at Christ and say:[br]Oh, I have seen it all. 0:07:43.166,0:07:46.512 There is always excitement.[br]There is always something new. 0:07:46.512,0:07:50.316 And then it's about Him and obeying Him[br]and following Him, 0:07:50.316,0:07:54.547 and then we do mission, [br]not in our way, but in His way, 0:07:54.547,0:07:56.710 and we will automatically end up [br]with church. 0:07:56.710,0:07:59.277 And also what you said, [br]it was not like... 0:07:59.277,0:08:03.362 Jesus has not said: Go out, do church.[br]And maybe disciple those people. 0:08:03.362,0:08:05.710 He said: Go out, make disciples,[br]and I will build my church. 0:08:05.710,0:08:10.840 It was your focus in the beginning.[br]It was just like, how do we disciple people, 0:08:10.840,0:08:15.040 how do we build people up,[br]and you saw how Jesus was building 0:08:15.040,0:08:17.356 them as living stones together.[br]- That's right. 0:08:17.356,0:08:20.528 How did it look like? Can you come [br]with an example how one person 0:08:20.528,0:08:23.972 knew somebody, and knew somebody,[br]and how it forms? 0:08:24.392,0:08:30.129 We had a time where we started [br]with this group of five couples 0:08:30.129,0:08:33.835 and we were meeting together, [br]and we made sure they were born again, 0:08:33.835,0:08:38.293 and like you said: Christ was the forefront,[br]your relationship with Him, 0:08:38.293,0:08:42.588 and now you have a mission to go out[br]into the world and to make disciples of yourself 0:08:42.588,0:08:46.518 and then the church faith formed,[br]so once we had those three revelations, 0:08:46.518,0:08:50.786 it just naturally took place.[br]So, for instance, we had one couple 0:08:50.786,0:08:54.598 who started to share with their parents.[br]And their parents were like: 0:08:54.598,0:08:57.924 Okay, we want to know more.[br]So they had us come over. 0:08:57.924,0:09:00.408 And we shared with their parents[br]what was going on, and eventually, 0:09:00.408,0:09:05.135 their parents got delivered and born again.[br]And now in that group of people 0:09:05.135,0:09:09.941 those parents are meeting with their[br]children and they are now multiplying 0:09:09.941,0:09:13.561 and that person there were two parents,[br]they are in traditional church right now, 0:09:13.881,0:09:17.648 she's actually has a paid position[br]in the church and she's stepping down, 0:09:17.648,0:09:21.357 and she's actually taught sharing[br]her faith with her neighbor 0:09:21.357,0:09:24.021 and other people in the church,[br]and they're like: Tell me more. 0:09:24.021,0:09:27.963 And they're becoming interested.[br]And out of that a natural family is birthed, 0:09:27.963,0:09:31.165 in that place. So, that's hoped to happen[br]over and over again. 0:09:31.165,0:09:34.414 One family, we went into their home,[br]we started ministering and talking 0:09:34.414,0:09:37.888 to them about what is church.[br]Like, church is not a building, 0:09:37.888,0:09:41.014 it's not an event. You are the church.[br]So, why do you go to church 0:09:41.014,0:09:45.346 and do these rituals and these[br]traditions that nullify the Word of God? 0:09:45.346,0:09:48.734 You have to, actually, take what[br]you're learning in the Scriptures 0:09:48.734,0:09:51.803 and give it to other people's lives.[br]And they're like: We have seven couples 0:09:51.803,0:09:55.021 that I know would wanna do this.[br]And I said: Meet with them, 0:09:55.021,0:09:57.101 break bread with them, [br]take communion with them, 0:09:57.101,0:10:00.521 speak about holiness, speak about [br]the gospel and see what will happen. 0:10:00.521,0:10:03.560 So, they brought them in and started[br]relationship with these couples. 0:10:03.560,0:10:06.804 And then they asked us to come in and lay [br]a foundation of the gospel, so we did. 0:10:06.804,0:10:10.727 And some of these people were like[br]deacons in churches. 0:10:10.727,0:10:13.419 And they are repenting for the first time[br]in their lives. 0:10:13.419,0:10:15.845 They're being baptized.[br]They're getting delivered. 0:10:15.845,0:10:18.613 And right there you have a group[br]of 20 people meeting together, 0:10:18.613,0:10:23.746 all set free, all filled with the Holy Spirit,[br]of one truth, and now they are multiplying. 0:10:23.746,0:10:27.114 That group, there's two couples in there[br]that are ready to make disciples 0:10:27.114,0:10:30.952 and they are staring their own groups[br]that we have nothing to do with. 0:10:30.952,0:10:34.300 Because we don't know those people. [br]Those people aren't gonna listen to us. 0:10:34.300,0:10:37.047 They don't know who we are.[br]So the people that are leading that group 0:10:37.047,0:10:40.050 are gonna help these disciples start[br]their own fellowship. 0:10:40.050,0:10:43.703 And that's how it naturally multiplies [br]and it starts slow in the beginning, 0:10:43.703,0:10:46.993 because of small in number, but[br]when multiplication gets bigger in number, 0:10:46.993,0:10:49.362 it's a mass number, [br]that comes to know Christ. 0:10:49.362,0:10:51.233 And these aren't just half-hearted[br]disciples. 0:10:51.233,0:10:53.928 They are fully sold out surrendered [br]people who are ready 0:10:53.928,0:10:56.141 to take the Great Commission [br]to the ends of the earth. 0:10:56.141,0:10:59.096 And it starts in one place.[br]So, it's exciting. 0:10:59.386,0:11:05.417 You said so many amazing things here.[br]I want to say, it started here, with... 0:11:05.417,0:11:07.445 - Obedience with two people.[br]- Two people. 0:11:07.445,0:11:10.813 Those two people had something [br]you don't have. 0:11:10.813,0:11:15.678 They had a relationship.[br]They had a circle of people around them. 0:11:15.678,0:11:17.971 But you had something those two people[br]did not have. 0:11:17.971,0:11:20.249 You have the know-how and knowledge. 0:11:20.689,0:11:25.592 And that became a beautiful contact point,[br]where they had the relationship, 0:11:25.592,0:11:30.794 you have the knowledge, [br]and you come together, and you go in, 0:11:30.794,0:11:36.427 and you impact their network. [br]Their network get influenced 0:11:36.427,0:11:39.596 and they get discipled at the same time,[br]because they see how you're doing, 0:11:39.596,0:11:43.488 and then they have a network. [br]And it's spreading from this. 0:11:43.888,0:11:46.047 I talk about that in my book. 0:11:48.257,0:11:52.772 I believe we are called to go out[br]and find a person of peace. Jesus said that. 0:11:52.772,0:11:57.468 But He also said: When you find [br]a person of peace, stay in their house. 0:11:57.468,0:12:00.025 - Don't move from house to house.[br]- That's right. 0:12:00.025,0:12:05.746 Because when we come into a household,[br]oikos or network, 0:12:06.146,0:12:09.416 we want to impact everyone in that network. 0:12:10.806,0:12:15.445 I believe in going out on the street, but[br]if you already have people 0:12:15.445,0:12:18.417 you are working with in your network,[br]don't leave them and go out 0:12:18.417,0:12:22.182 to try to build new relationships,[br]when you have people there. 0:12:22.182,0:12:25.396 Because out on the street[br]it can be difficult, 0:12:25.396,0:12:29.091 because there is that skepticism [br]and you first need to build that relationship. 0:12:29.091,0:12:32.049 - And it's not natural. - No.[br]- Relationship is natural. 0:12:32.049,0:12:35.247 So, I would say, work with what you have,[br]work with what you have, 0:12:35.247,0:12:38.967 but if you suddenly come to a stop[br]and there is no more to build 0:12:38.967,0:12:44.028 within that relationship, then you need[br]to go out and build new relationships. 0:12:44.028,0:12:47.057 But when you have relationship,[br]work with relationship, 0:12:47.057,0:12:49.212 from person to person,[br]from person to person. 0:12:49.212,0:12:52.801 And Jesus even says, like, look up,[br]the harvest is plentiful, 0:12:52.801,0:12:55.337 but the laborers are few.[br]So, find the laborer. 0:12:55.337,0:12:57.303 Where you're gonna find them?[br]In the harvest. 0:12:57.303,0:13:01.156 So you find that laborer, in the harvest,[br]you give them everything you have, 0:13:01.156,0:13:03.494 and that person will reap of the harvest[br]of 30, 0:13:03.494,0:13:06.469 and the next will reap the harvest of 60,[br]and of 100, 0:13:06.469,0:13:08.757 and it all goes to credit back to where[br]it started, 0:13:08.757,0:13:10.619 but no one knows where it started from. 0:13:11.009,0:13:14.335 But that's the beauty of multiplication. [br]And that's what Jesus would do. 0:13:14.335,0:13:17.086 If you just partner with what He's already[br]spoken and commanded, 0:13:17.086,0:13:19.062 He'll breathe life onto that 0:13:19.062,0:13:22.095 and that will become a movement. 0:13:22.095,0:13:25.447 But if we sit here, like: [br]What is my call? What am I called to do? 0:13:25.447,0:13:28.959 Okay, I got this special call.[br]God, come bless this call on my life, 0:13:28.959,0:13:31.533 that I came up with, He won't bless that. 0:13:31.533,0:13:37.339 Bless, get a partnership and get [br]doing what He already blessed. 0:13:37.339,0:13:40.292 And He said: Go make disciples. [br]You build the people, He'll build the church. 0:13:40.482,0:13:42.053 It's as simple as that. 0:13:42.183,0:13:46.298 Keep it simple in that way, like you said;[br]the gospel, the gospel every time. 0:13:46.298,0:13:50.746 The gospel. And then, what you said also,[br]it was good, go, meet with them, 0:13:50.746,0:13:53.432 break the bread, communion,[br]break the bread. 0:13:53.432,0:13:56.855 Have fellowship where you come[br]together, you eat together. 0:13:56.855,0:14:00.426 There is something in connecting people.[br]Jesus said: When you go to a house, 0:14:00.426,0:14:04.816 eat and drink what they serve.[br]But not only eating and drinking. 0:14:04.816,0:14:09.087 It's also a point where you really[br]focus on God and the mission, 0:14:09.087,0:14:12.897 why are we here, and then you start[br]to minister. 0:14:12.897,0:14:16.830 And you can do that. It went from... 0:14:18.250,0:14:23.892 How do you do it, because sometimes[br]you get many relationships, at one time, 0:14:23.892,0:14:27.095 but very often is also just one[br]relationship, and one relationship, 0:14:27.095,0:14:29.215 and one relationship, and then[br]you end up with many. 0:14:29.215,0:14:31.371 How did you see this go? 0:14:31.371,0:14:34.559 Lot of times that'll be with one person[br]or one couple, 0:14:34.559,0:14:37.996 and we'll continue to meet with them[br]one on one, or as a couple, 0:14:38.236,0:14:41.191 figuring out where they're at,[br]helping them to get on their feet, 0:14:41.191,0:14:43.897 giving them tools necessary to get[br]their foundations. 0:14:43.897,0:14:48.761 But a lot of times, while we're doing that,[br]God will have another couple here, 0:14:48.761,0:14:52.515 and another person here, and here,[br]and then every single time 0:14:52.515,0:14:56.888 He will bring them together. Sometimes[br]there'll be relationships 0:14:56.888,0:14:59.763 we didn't even know they knew each other[br]three years ago. 0:15:00.123,0:15:05.099 So, when God brings this group together,[br]like, we're discipling, 0:15:05.099,0:15:09.140 and then He build, and He does it,[br]and He places it together. 0:15:09.380,0:15:12.800 I pray every single day Lord of the harvest,[br]at 10:02, Lord of the harvest, 0:15:12.800,0:15:17.078 sent forth laborers, and that prayer[br]is answered because He sends people, 0:15:17.078,0:15:20.342 we disciple them, point them to Jesus,[br]teach them how to obey, 0:15:20.342,0:15:21.591 and He brings them together. 0:15:21.591,0:15:24.599 And all we have to do is say: Yeah, okay. 0:15:25.129,0:15:28.168 And the beauty of when you bring them[br]together, you stir one another up to 0:15:28.168,0:15:32.388 a good work. Because if you come together[br]just to eat bread, 0:15:32.388,0:15:35.336 you don't go out want to save the world.[br]But we have one girl in our fellowship, 0:15:35.336,0:15:37.754 we did two nights ago, she said: [br]When I leave here, 0:15:37.754,0:15:40.342 I am ready to take on the world, [br]because I know I'm capable, 0:15:40.342,0:15:43.133 because I've been poured into,[br]I've been edified, I've been stirred up, 0:15:43.133,0:15:45.218 and now I need to go out make[br]a disciple on my life. 0:15:45.218,0:15:47.601 And my eyes are open: Who is ready?[br]Who is hungry? 0:15:47.601,0:15:50.865 And that person then reproduces[br]in someone else's life. 0:15:52.015,0:15:55.850 If you have a group of 100 people[br]in a traditional church and you said: 0:15:56.090,0:16:00.684 How many here want to be a pastor[br]in a megachurch? Up with your hands. 0:16:01.864,0:16:05.752 Work, administration, money,[br]responsibilities, stress. 0:16:05.752,0:16:10.489 95% of all pastors are getting stressful. [br]Who wants that job? 0:16:10.489,0:16:15.558 But if you then say: Who can find one person[br]and lead that one person to Christ? 0:16:16.198,0:16:21.092 I also say it very clear in the book.[br]You already know them, very often. 0:16:21.092,0:16:23.715 When you say to people: [br]You already know them. 0:16:23.715,0:16:27.078 They are in your atmosphere. [br]They are in your network right now. 0:16:27.078,0:16:28.793 Ask God: Who is it? 0:16:28.793,0:16:34.376 Sometimes it's a total sinner.[br]Sometimes is a believer who needs repentance. 0:16:34.376,0:16:36.429 Sometimes is a repentant person[br]who needs baptism. 0:16:36.429,0:16:38.553 Sometimes is baptized person [br]who needs the Holy Spirit. 0:16:38.553,0:16:41.439 And when you give them the missing piece, 0:16:42.515,0:16:44.520 it's spreading and life is growing. 0:16:44.520,0:16:47.694 The question will always be, and I think[br]that is the challenge 0:16:47.694,0:16:52.583 and we need to keep it simple, but[br]many people always want to know in details 0:16:52.583,0:16:59.247 like, how do you do it? [br]Our focus is not so much how we do it. 0:16:59.247,0:17:05.424 Our focus is not the details.[br]Our focus is the person... 0:17:05.424,0:17:07.991 and how do you bring that person[br]to life. 0:17:07.991,0:17:10.504 - That's right. To maturity. [br]- Yeah, To maturity. 0:17:10.504,0:17:15.369 Say a little more about how does [br]your life look like. 0:17:15.369,0:17:19.343 How does your week look like?[br]How does it look like practically? 0:17:19.343,0:17:22.582 And also, when you come together[br]and meet? How does it look like? 0:17:22.952,0:17:27.456 The number one thing, for us, personally, [br]is that we like to teach people. 0:17:27.456,0:17:30.201 When you come together [br]as a community of faith, 0:17:30.281,0:17:32.958 the main difference in the traditional [br]setting of church 0:17:32.958,0:17:36.461 and the meetings in the homes is,[br]as Paul teaches the Corinthians 0:17:36.461,0:17:39.270 and instructs them: [br]everybody has something to bring. 0:17:39.270,0:17:44.307 So, in that case, if you're not prepared[br]with your intimate relationship 0:17:44.307,0:17:47.115 with Christ throughout the week, [br]then you have nothing to bring to our group, 0:17:47.115,0:17:50.079 and then we all lack because the piece [br]of the puzzle is missing. 0:17:50.079,0:17:54.536 And so, for us, cultivating an intimate [br]relationship with Christ throughout the week, 0:17:54.536,0:17:58.029 we have four children, we homeschool [br]due all these things, 0:17:58.029,0:18:01.390 but we also have to learn how to be[br]in constant community with the Lord, 0:18:01.390,0:18:03.389 listening to Him, [br]praying throughout the day. 0:18:03.949,0:18:06.614 I need to say something,[br]because we talked about that. 0:18:07.584,0:18:11.688 What is important, when we talk[br]about everyone has something to share, 0:18:11.978,0:18:14.429 is in the context of believers now. 0:18:14.429,0:18:19.286 Because the problem is church has been[br]a place where many non-believers come 0:18:19.286,0:18:22.453 and if you let everyone share[br]where they don't have the Spirit... 0:18:24.003,0:18:26.980 It can go like that. [br]So, when we talk about church, 0:18:26.980,0:18:30.036 God spoke very clear to you[br]about the wolf and the sheep. 0:18:30.036,0:18:31.963 Can you share that also? 0:18:31.963,0:18:35.510 We had just come back from Norway.[br]I was very sleep deprived. 0:18:35.510,0:18:38.661 My good girlfriend calls me and says:[br]I'm having my baby nine weeks early. 0:18:38.971,0:18:43.333 So, I go to the hospital, jet-legged,[br]but sometimes when you're very depleted, 0:18:43.333,0:18:46.604 you're very sensitive to the Spirit.[br]I hadn't eaten a few days, 0:18:46.604,0:18:49.466 I hadn't slept in a few days,[br]and I'm walking to the hospital, 0:18:49.466,0:18:52.711 and I literally heard in my Spirit:[br]the wolves were never meant to be 0:18:52.711,0:18:55.514 invited amongst the sheep.[br]And I'm like: Lord, if this is You. 0:18:55.514,0:18:57.743 I need You to tell me what this means. 0:18:57.743,0:19:00.912 And about a day later, we're in the same[br]town, he's staying in a hotel 0:19:00.912,0:19:03.789 a couple miles away, while I'm helping[br]my friend in the hospital, 0:19:03.789,0:19:07.385 and He said: what do you think about[br]non-believers being invited into the church? 0:19:07.385,0:19:10.083 And I said: That's what that meant? 0:19:10.083,0:19:11.868 And so I start to dig through the Scriptures[br]and like: 0:19:11.868,0:19:14.415 What does it look like, Lord?[br]What, first of all, is church? 0:19:14.415,0:19:19.293 And why are wolves are not supposed[br]to be in the midst of it? 0:19:19.293,0:19:21.507 And He said, He started took me to[br]the 1 Corinthians, 0:19:21.507,0:19:26.591 where he talks about the unbelievers [br]stumbling into the congregation. 0:19:26.591,0:19:30.608 And instead of, like, speak in tongues[br]and prophesy, 0:19:30.698,0:19:33.069 in hopes that man's heart would be[br]exposed, 0:19:33.069,0:19:36.523 that he'll repent and turn towards the Lord,[br]and I said: It said - stumble in, 0:19:36.523,0:19:40.850 not - invited in. And then I looked[br]at other scriptures that talk about 0:19:40.850,0:19:43.720 the church is for the believer to[br]come in and to be built up, 0:19:43.720,0:19:47.807 to be stirred up, to be equipped[br]to go out into the work of the ministry, 0:19:47.807,0:19:49.849 they share the gospel,[br]they evangelize, 0:19:49.849,0:19:53.691 and when that person receives the Spirit,[br]okay, it's safe to bring them in 0:19:53.691,0:19:56.850 and then equip them, and to edify them,[br]and to stir them up, and teach them 0:19:56.850,0:20:02.282 how to go out and do the same, because[br]if you invite all these different spirits in, 0:20:02.632,0:20:05.398 you've got a bunch of different spirits[br]entertaining each other, 0:20:05.398,0:20:09.460 that are not of Christ. And people get[br]confused of what is truly the Holy Spirit 0:20:09.460,0:20:10.908 and what is not. 0:20:10.908,0:20:13.619 What we want to see, what we really [br]believe in, 0:20:13.619,0:20:17.050 church is for believers come together,[br]edifying each other. 0:20:17.050,0:20:20.265 And there is so important to be edified,[br]that you need to learn 0:20:20.265,0:20:22.455 that everyone has something to give. 0:20:22.455,0:20:24.723 And you grow up and you build each other, 0:20:24.723,0:20:28.013 and the way you grow mostly is by giving[br]and doing. 0:20:28.013,0:20:29.752 And then you grow up. 0:20:30.662,0:20:33.793 If a non-believer... Let's say there is [br]somebody who invites a few people in, 0:20:33.793,0:20:36.739 it's fine, but then don't do what you[br]normally do. 0:20:36.739,0:20:41.464 Sit down with them. Share the gospel.[br]Say: hey, we have two people, 0:20:41.464,0:20:44.006 John brought two friends with him[br]today. 0:20:44.006,0:20:48.927 Hey, come in. Hey, hi! This is who we are. [br]This is what we are doing. 0:20:48.927,0:20:51.685 One day I came to a park, and a mom [br]was there, and the Lord said: 0:20:51.685,0:20:54.593 You're gonna talk to her.[br]So, I go to her. I started talking. 0:20:54.863,0:20:58.023 I said: Who are you? Who do you do?[br]She said: We've just moved here from 0:20:58.023,0:21:00.880 Delaware, because the Lord wants us[br]to start house churches, 0:21:00.880,0:21:03.562 or to be involved in one. And I'm like:[br]This is too easy. 0:21:03.562,0:21:06.680 She said: What do you and your husband do?[br]I said: Well, we start house churches. 0:21:06.680,0:21:09.863 And I said: We actually have one tonight.[br]You should come. So they came. 0:21:09.863,0:21:13.444 And we set them down, we broke bread[br]together, we took community together, 0:21:13.444,0:21:15.371 we sat down. [br]We said: Now, tell us your story. 0:21:15.371,0:21:16.910 And the whole fellowship's there. 0:21:16.910,0:21:20.170 And they shared their story.[br]I was 13, I got baptized when I was 14, 0:21:20.170,0:21:24.116 and I'm just kind of lived cool life.[br]I've helped in the church a little bit 0:21:24.116,0:21:26.384 here and there, my husband was[br]a youth pastor for a couple of years. 0:21:26.384,0:21:28.133 Now he is a construction worker. 0:21:28.133,0:21:29.842 I'm like: Did you ever received [br]the Holy Spirit? 0:21:29.842,0:21:31.403 And they're like: [br]What are you talking about? 0:21:31.403,0:21:35.177 And I said: Let us share our stories. [br]So, my mom shared her story. 0:21:35.177,0:21:36.729 She was in that fellowship. 0:21:36.729,0:21:39.180 You break the program and you focus[br]on them, where they are. 0:21:39.180,0:21:42.352 We share our story and then we get[br]into the Book of Acts 18 and 19, 0:21:42.352,0:21:45.519 where people had been repented,[br]but never received the Spirit. 0:21:45.519,0:21:48.337 And after that, they're like:[br]We have a lot to think about. 0:21:48.337,0:21:51.171 I said: Absolutely.[br]They're like: Can we read this first 0:21:51.171,0:21:53.672 and come back, and partake in[br]what you're talking about? 0:21:53.672,0:21:54.854 We said: Absolutely. 0:21:54.854,0:21:57.361 So, they did not receive the Spirit[br]that night, but they know 0:21:57.361,0:21:59.702 that they're lacking the Spirit.[br]And that they can't be for it 0:21:59.702,0:22:01.545 until they received the Spirit of God. 0:22:01.545,0:22:04.554 So, when they come back,[br]that'll be the next question: Are you ready? 0:22:04.554,0:22:07.289 It's for us to lay hand on you, [br]for you to receive the Spirit. 0:22:08.229,0:22:13.934 What I often do if we go to small setting,[br]I'm praying, God what do You want us to share? 0:22:13.934,0:22:17.388 But then, when you come there and[br]you see the people, sometimes you see, 0:22:17.388,0:22:20.797 okay, it's something else today. [br]Because those people came in. 0:22:20.797,0:22:26.380 Today it's just us. Let's break the bread.[br]Let's do what we do. 0:22:26.380,0:22:30.138 Because we are now together [br]to equip each other. 0:22:30.908,0:22:35.368 Now you have seen many fellowships[br]start, so your life is like 0:22:35.368,0:22:37.762 going from fellowship to fellowship[br]and help, 0:22:37.762,0:22:40.604 and some of them is now breaking[br]more off, 0:22:40.604,0:22:44.769 because they have grown to maturity.[br]Can you tell a little how does it look? 0:22:47.159,0:22:50.594 When we go in, our goal is not to make[br]them dependent on us. 0:22:50.594,0:22:55.449 It's, actually, give them equipping [br]and everything we can possibly do 0:22:55.449,0:22:58.994 to serve them, so they can get to a place[br]to where they are completely 0:22:58.994,0:23:01.921 dependent on Christ, the Holy Spirit [br]and each other. 0:23:01.921,0:23:05.545 And once they do that, then we want[br]to back off. 0:23:05.545,0:23:09.079 It's just like a relationship with[br]your children or parents and children. 0:23:09.079,0:23:11.467 Right? Eventually, you don't want [br]them to be dependent on you. 0:23:11.467,0:23:15.213 They need to be creating and starting [br]their own families. Same thing. 0:23:15.213,0:23:17.280 That could take three months with a group,[br]six months. 0:23:17.280,0:23:20.446 It came take over a year with a group.[br]It's different for every group. 0:23:20.446,0:23:24.623 So weekly we go in, Sunday to Sunday, 0:23:24.623,0:23:26.871 we meet with about five groups[br]right now. 0:23:26.871,0:23:29.054 There's two groups that are becoming[br]very mature 0:23:29.054,0:23:33.210 and so we only meet like once a week.[br]Once a month, twice a month, right now. 0:23:33.210,0:23:35.701 And so, eventually, they're actually [br]doing their own thing 0:23:35.701,0:23:38.468 and they're actually obeying Christ[br]on the weekly basis, 0:23:38.468,0:23:40.490 on the daily basis, living in holiness, 0:23:40.490,0:23:42.696 and they're multiplying on their own. 0:23:42.696,0:23:44.505 So, weekly that's what we do. 0:23:45.465,0:23:48.712 Somebody asked us the other week,[br]like, do you get exhausted with what you do? 0:23:48.712,0:23:50.766 I said: [br]We've cut out everything in our lives 0:23:50.766,0:23:52.861 that have nothing to do [br]with the Kingdom of God. 0:23:52.861,0:23:56.375 So, all that we have left in this life[br]is to pursue the Kingdom, 0:23:56.375,0:23:59.330 to seek first the Kingdom of God[br]and everything will be added to us. 0:23:59.330,0:24:01.244 So, our finances are added to us, 0:24:01.244,0:24:04.941 our endurance is added to us,[br]our strength is added to us. 0:24:04.941,0:24:08.501 and the ability to actually do something[br]that is bearing fruit, 0:24:08.501,0:24:10.959 not just in this life, [br]but in the life to come. 0:24:10.959,0:24:12.960 I don't want to go empty handed,[br]you know. 0:24:12.960,0:24:15.670 So, that's kind of what this life[br]has looked like. 0:24:15.670,0:24:19.466 It has Jesus provides, because we no longer[br]can work, because we're so busy 0:24:19.466,0:24:22.343 advancing the Kingdom. But He's[br]provided the home, 0:24:22.343,0:24:26.728 He's provided vehicles, He's provided[br]sum of income for us to live off of, 0:24:26.728,0:24:30.201 not so that we can become wealthy[br]and seek the things of this world. 0:24:30.201,0:24:33.136 This is the last thing I want.[br]I'm detached from that stuff. 0:24:33.136,0:24:36.032 But that I can still live, and there's[br]tools and resources 0:24:36.032,0:24:38.037 to advance the Kingdom of God. 0:24:38.891,0:24:41.097 When we look at Luke 10, where[br]Jesus said: 0:24:41.097,0:24:46.570 Don't take extra purse with you,[br]laborer is worth his wages, all of that, 0:24:46.570,0:24:48.336 you can testify that also?[br]- That's right. 0:24:49.066,0:24:53.843 And you actually don't need to have[br]a website and a ministry, all of that. 0:24:53.843,0:24:57.830 But the resources are often [br]in the harvest. 0:24:57.830,0:25:03.157 When we start to lead people to Christ[br]and start to see people build up, 0:25:03.707,0:25:08.495 there is provision, there are resources,[br]there is what we need. 0:25:08.495,0:25:11.149 And also, what they say, I think it's[br]important, 0:25:11.909,0:25:14.401 I talk much about church as a family, 0:25:15.471,0:25:19.428 now he is a young boy, you have[br]four smaller kids, 0:25:19.428,0:25:23.819 I have kids who are now 15 and 18.[br]And I have grandkids. 0:25:23.819,0:25:28.156 If we look all the levels,[br]there are times where there's more work. 0:25:28.156,0:25:31.895 There are times, of course, when[br]you don't get so much sleep in the night. 0:25:32.842,0:25:37.300 But, the whole reason we're getting kids[br]is not for them to remain like that. 0:25:37.300,0:25:41.321 It's to build them up. And then [br]there is time where you have more fun with them, 0:25:41.601,0:25:45.633 when you have fun with them and do[br]funny things, 0:25:45.633,0:25:47.946 and they are independent. [br]That can actually be of help. 0:25:47.946,0:25:50.282 Like your son is already helping with him. 0:25:50.282,0:25:55.260 And then there is time where I'm in,[br]where they are really independent, in many ways, 0:25:55.260,0:25:59.739 and you need to let go. [br]And it was hard with our son, 0:25:59.739,0:26:04.100 because I want to be with my son,[br]but I just know that 0:26:04.100,0:26:09.091 for him to be independent from me[br]I need to let go. 0:26:09.091,0:26:14.348 And the Bible says, we know[br]it's not good for man to be alone. 0:26:14.348,0:26:17.010 He needs to leave his mom and dad,[br]but I can turn around, 0:26:17.010,0:26:20.171 it's not good to be with mom and dad[br]for the rest of your life. 0:26:20.171,0:26:25.711 So, there is that letting go,[br]and now our son has his kids, 0:26:25.711,0:26:28.230 and I love our grandkids.[br]I miss them and it's so fun. 0:26:28.230,0:26:32.410 I'm in the funny place with my grandkids,[br]oh, they are so cute, 0:26:32.410,0:26:35.793 like him, and so on, but then...[br](smelling a poop)... oh... 0:26:36.243,0:26:38.420 And then they care of it. 0:26:38.420,0:26:41.926 And I think, as it is in the natural,[br]we see it in the spiritual. 0:26:41.926,0:26:47.902 In the natural there is a period [br]of 18 years and they move from home. 0:26:47.902,0:26:51.212 In the spiritual, I think, it depends [br]on people, 0:26:51.212,0:26:56.599 it depends on the background,[br]if people come from very destroyed background 0:26:56.599,0:27:00.041 there is something, they need, of course,[br]deliverance, can happen, 0:27:00.041,0:27:02.946 but renewing the mind and building up,[br]it takes longer time, 0:27:02.946,0:27:07.790 or they come from another background.[br]But you say like a half year, a year, 0:27:07.790,0:27:09.824 and then they are ready to move on. 0:27:09.824,0:27:13.565 Oh yeah. If you're going too long,[br]there is no reproduction. 0:27:14.815,0:27:18.185 We would have to trust them.[br]This is the same as you... 0:27:18.185,0:27:21.198 If your children were 16 years old,[br]still living in your basement, 0:27:21.198,0:27:24.143 you would address that, because it's not[br]what's naturally supposed to take place. 0:27:24.143,0:27:28.534 If you have an apple tree out there[br]and it hasn't bore fruit one year 0:27:28.534,0:27:32.075 or two years, you start to prune it[br]down, you have to work with it, 0:27:32.075,0:27:36.092 something is wrong, if it doesn't continue[br]bearing fruit, or starts to bear fruit, 0:27:36.092,0:27:38.409 cut it down and plant a new one. 0:27:38.409,0:27:39.853 That's right. 0:27:39.853,0:27:42.002 That is biblical. 0:27:42.002,0:27:46.994 It's so beautiful to hear what God is doing.[br]I want to say that this is for everyone. 0:27:46.994,0:27:51.229 This is the call of Jesus.[br]This is what He has called us to, 0:27:51.229,0:27:53.074 is what He has called you to. 0:27:53.074,0:27:57.241 If you are a disciple of Christ,[br]to be a disciple is to deny ourselves, 0:27:57.241,0:27:59.482 take up the cross and follow Him. 0:27:59.482,0:28:02.187 It's to repent, get baptized,[br]receive the Holy Spirit 0:28:02.187,0:28:07.169 and being taught to obey everything[br]He has commanded us. 0:28:07.169,0:28:11.177 And everything is everything.[br]And this is what we see here. 0:28:11.177,0:28:14.913 And I really want to encourage you[br]to go for this and live this life. 0:28:15.703,0:28:19.186 Thank you so much for sharing.[br]We have other videos 0:28:19.186,0:28:23.853 where we are talking more in details[br]about... 0:28:23.853,0:28:27.985 how God is the provider, we are talking[br]more in details about 0:28:27.985,0:28:32.078 why the gospel is important,[br]we are talking more in details 0:28:32.078,0:28:34.334 about some of the things[br]you've been sharing 0:28:34.334,0:28:35.995 and I also have in my book. 0:28:35.995,0:28:38.199 So, see the other videos.[br]Read the book 0:28:38.199,0:28:40.364 and start to obey Jesus in His call. 0:28:40.364,0:28:40.973 God bless you!