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♪ theme music ♪

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(Derek) Welcome to Hope Sabbath School,

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an in-depth, interactive study

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of the Word of God.

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I'm so excited about this series

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on the book of <i>Daniel.</i>

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We're moving now into Daniel, chapter 7,

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<i>From the Stormy Sea</i>

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<i>to the Clouds of Heaven.</i>

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It's an exciting message; it's good news

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for the saints of the Most High God,

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and I'm glad you're with us.

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If you've missed anything in this series,

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go to our website, hopetv.org/hopess,

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and you can watch the entire series

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plus other series of great Bible studies.

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We're glad you're part

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of the journey with us.

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We'll pray you'll be blessed today.

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And welcome to the team, a great series.

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) Unbelievable. Many of you

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may be well studied in the book of Daniel,

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but are you learning some new things?

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(Team) Yes.

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(Derek) I am learning new things,

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and I'm looking forward to today's study.

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We're glad you're part of our study, too.

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By the way, we have

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a chapter-by-chapter series

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of Bible studies on Daniel and Revelation

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because they combine together.

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If you go to our website
HopeBibleStudy.org,

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you can sign up and get

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a free series of Bible studies,

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Daniel and Revelation

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really connected together.

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Here are some emails from some

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of our Hope Sabbath School members
around the world.

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From the island of Haiti,

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thanks for writing, Sineus,

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"Hello, Hope Sabbath School team!"

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(Team) Hello!

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(Derek) "Thank you for the way

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you help me understand the Bible

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and teach it better."

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) "May the Lord bless you every day

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and give each one of us

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the gift of salvation."

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Well, Sineus writes

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from "the first black country

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independent in the world," he says.

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Well, thanks, we know you're proud

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of your beautiful island there
of Haiti, Sineus;

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thanks for writing to us.

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And we're glad you are

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not only learning the Word of God,

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but you're teaching

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the Word of God to others.

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Chinyama writes from Zambia.

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Lots of Hope Sabbath School members
in Zambia,

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and actually probably more than a million

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Hope Sabbath School members,
just in Zambia.

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"Greetings to the Hope
Sabbath School team."

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(Team) Greetings!

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(Derek) "I wish to express my gratitude

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for the great work

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God is doing through you.

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What intrigues me the most

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is the ethnic diversity of your team."

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Take a look at each other.

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Yes, we don't all look the same.

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"It really gives me great joy
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of different ethnic backgrounds

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mingling together without discrimination."

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) Amen! That's awesome, isn't it?

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"Your team demonstrates

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that we worship the same God

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regardless of the color of our skin."

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We might say, "Well, that's obvious."

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I mean, we're all part of God's family,

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but that is a message

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that we want to share, isn't it?

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We are a worldwide family.

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"I always download your videos every week,

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and they help me to understand
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God bless you; may He

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lift up His countenance on you

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and give you His peace."

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Well, Chinyama, thanks

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for writing to us from Zambia.

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And we're encouraged

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to remember what's important,

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and that is to lift up Jesus and His love

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for every nation, kindred,
tongue and people.

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) Here is a precious note;

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this is a real note.

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This is a real note, not an email.

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It's sent from a donor couple

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in Washington in the United States;

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that's in the northwest part

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of the United States.

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It says, "I wrote to you,"

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one of the people of the couple,

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"I wrote to you by email sometime ago

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to express our gratitude for the blessings

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Hope Sabbath School is to us,

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an elderly couple.

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We have been watching

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for several months now

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and wanted to send a donation to help

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with the ministry of Hope Sabbath School.

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Each one of you shows the love of Jesus

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in your smiling face."

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) What do you say?

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Praise God, right? Praise God.

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"I wish we knew more

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about each one of you.

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May Hope Sabbath School

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keep blessing folks until Jesus comes,"

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and a gift of a thousand dollars

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to help the ministry

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of this global evangelistic media ministry

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called Hope Sabbath School.

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Thank you to you, wherever you are

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there in Washington, and to all

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of our donors from around the world.

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We're part of a great miracle of God.

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I think we've got one more note here,
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One from John Morris,

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same last name as me,

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a Ugandan who is in South Sudan.

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"My name is John from South Sudan,

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but I grew up in Uganda.

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I've been watching Hope Sabbath School

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for two months now.

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I became a Seventh-day Adventist Christian

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about 11 years ago

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but never discovered the joy

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that Hope Sabbath School gives me.

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I have been truly blessed by this program.

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I grew up on a difficult path;

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14 of my 26 years I grew up

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without any parents

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or what you would call family.

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Hope Sabbath School has helped me
discover myself.

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) And what is his self?

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A precious child of God, right?

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"My country, South Sudan,

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needs these messages.

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May God bless you."

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Well, John, thanks for writing

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to us from South Sudan.

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Isn't that amazing?

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Two hundred and twelve countries now,

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I think, around the world

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are accessing programming

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through our new suite of apps.

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And, by the way, if you haven't downloaded

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our Hope Channel app, it's awesome!

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And you can choose different languages

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if you want to share with friends

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who speak other languages - truly amazing.

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One last note, from Nova Scotia in Canada,

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Laura writes, and Laura says,

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"Thank you for Hope Sabbath School.

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I'm so glad you're still teaching

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and hope that you'll be doing it

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for a long time to come.

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I learn so much from Hope Sabbath School,

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and I love the songs

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put together by your wife.

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She is so special," and I say Amen.

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) "I love listening

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for many years now,

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and I wish you could come

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and meet us in person.

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Well, God bless you and all

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Hope Sabbath School members
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Well, Laura, thanks for writing to us

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from Nova Scotia in Canada.

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And we actually would like to sing

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a song with you right now.

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It's taken from the book of Daniel.

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By the way, these are all Scripture songs,

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so that means word for word

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taken from the Scriptures.

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to Daniel 2, verses 20 to 23,

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you will see a prayer

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by the prophet Daniel.

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My wife put it to music.

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We're going to sing it right now.

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a few minutes we took

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to just sing that song,"

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but it's right out of the text.

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And something happened to me, Jonathan,

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when I was singing the last part,

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"Blessed be the name of God,"

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like this wave of joy and gratitude

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just washed over me.

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It was like God caught me by surprise.

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"Blessed be the name of God." Amen?

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) "Forever and ever."

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We're studying a great prophecy

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from Daniel, chapter 7, today,

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the Holy Spirit will guide us,

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<i>From the Stormy Sea</i>

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<i>to the Clouds of Heaven.</i>

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We invite you to pray with us.

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Father in Heaven, thank You so much.

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You're a great and awesome God.

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You know what is in the darkness,

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and light dwells with you.

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We thank You that You will

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give us wisdom even today

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by Your Holy Spirit

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as we study Your Holy Word.

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May lives around the world

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be blessed now and forever.

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We pray in the holy name of Jesus. Amen.

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(Team) Amen.

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(Derek) Go to Daniel, chapter 7, together

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as we begin our study.

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It's an amazing revelation.

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And remember, "All Scripture is given

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by inspiration of God."

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So this isn't just Daniel's words
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this is a revelation from God

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to the prophet Daniel.

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And, Rodney, would you

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begin our study today

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in Daniel, chapter 7,

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Daniel 7, the first seven verses.

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(Rodney) And I'm reading

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from the New King James Version:

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(Derek) I think I'd wake up

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in a cold sweat - whew!

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I want you to focus

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your attention on verse 1.

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What important insights do you see

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even in verse 1 that you think

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(Jonathan) This is Belshazzar

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who was the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar,

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and so this is a new time
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like, "What is happening now?

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What is God doing?"

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And Nebuchadnezzar had gone

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through a bit of a conversion process

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of coming to know God, and now...

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(Derek) Actually a <i>real</i> conversion
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(Jonathan) Exactly, yeah.

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before chapter 5, right?

274
00:14:48,028 --> 00:14:49,127
It's after chapter 4,

275
00:14:49,127 --> 00:14:52,095
where Nebuchadnezzar finally is converted;

276
00:14:52,095 --> 00:14:54,135
his grandson is now on the throne,

277
00:14:54,135 --> 00:14:55,670
but it's not yet the handwriting

278
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:58,308
on the wall that we see in Daniel 5, okay?

279
00:14:58,308 --> 00:15:03,449
So...what would we say?

280
00:15:03,449 --> 00:15:05,968
Linking it to a historical event,

281
00:15:05,968 --> 00:15:07,930
is that significant, Brittany?

282
00:15:07,930 --> 00:15:10,400
"The first year of the reign of..."?

283
00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,371
(Team) Belshazzar.

284
00:15:11,371 --> 00:15:13,746
(Derek) What's the significance
of including that?

285
00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:17,741
I mean, why does that matter, anybody?
Yes, Stephanie?

286
00:15:17,741 --> 00:15:19,227
(Stephanie) It sets the time.

287
00:15:19,227 --> 00:15:21,100
(Derek) Yeah, it's real history, right?

288
00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:23,386
It's not like, "Well, I think
I had...," no, no.

289
00:15:23,386 --> 00:15:24,704
This is when it happened.

290
00:15:24,704 --> 00:15:25,828
What else do you notice

291
00:15:25,828 --> 00:15:26,845
in verse 1, though?

292
00:15:26,845 --> 00:15:29,172
I just noticed it while we were reading,

293
00:15:29,172 --> 00:15:30,894
that I think is rather significant.

294
00:15:30,894 --> 00:15:35,235
Anybody else, what do you see?
Yes, Travis.

295
00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:37,607
(Travis) There is more information
for this dream.

296
00:15:37,607 --> 00:15:38,734
(Derek) Ah, thank you!

297
00:15:38,734 --> 00:15:40,343
It says that he's going

298
00:15:40,343 --> 00:15:42,937
to write down the main facts.

299
00:15:42,937 --> 00:15:44,323
So, would you like to know

300
00:15:44,323 --> 00:15:46,509
what the rest of the story was?

301
00:15:46,509 --> 00:15:47,467
You'll have to wait

302
00:15:47,467 --> 00:15:49,872
until you get to the Kingdom
of Heaven, right,

303
00:15:49,872 --> 00:15:52,658
because he just writes down
the main facts.

304
00:15:52,658 --> 00:15:55,206
Apparently the things guided by...?

305
00:15:55,206 --> 00:15:56,324
(Team) The Holy Spirit.

306
00:15:56,324 --> 00:15:58,025
(Derek) ...the Holy Spirit of God,

307
00:15:58,025 --> 00:15:59,084
"Daniel, make sure you

308
00:15:59,084 --> 00:16:01,758
write down these main facts," okay?

309
00:16:01,758 --> 00:16:04,383
Now, let's talk about the dream itself.

310
00:16:04,383 --> 00:16:05,482
I don't know about you,

311
00:16:05,482 --> 00:16:08,319
but I think I would wake up with a sweat

312
00:16:08,319 --> 00:16:11,688
with these animals coming up.

313
00:16:11,688 --> 00:16:14,552
Why do you think God uses animals

314
00:16:14,552 --> 00:16:16,290
as symbols of kingdoms?

315
00:16:16,290 --> 00:16:19,123
In Daniel chapter 2 we had

316
00:16:19,123 --> 00:16:22,522
different metals, right,
on an image. Brittany.

317
00:16:22,522 --> 00:16:24,742
(Brittany) I think it goes back
to the history.

318
00:16:24,742 --> 00:16:26,181
When we look at archaeology,

319
00:16:26,181 --> 00:16:27,676
we find some of the same beasts

320
00:16:27,676 --> 00:16:29,254
used to represent those kingdoms.

321
00:16:29,254 --> 00:16:30,802
Like the lion with eagle's wings

322
00:16:30,802 --> 00:16:32,248
was used to represent Babylon.

323
00:16:32,248 --> 00:16:33,418
And we find that when we

324
00:16:33,418 --> 00:16:34,844
look back at the archaeology.

325
00:16:34,844 --> 00:16:36,841
So God was using something the people knew

326
00:16:36,841 --> 00:16:38,458
to help them understand.

327
00:16:38,458 --> 00:16:41,112
(Derek) Okay. Anybody else? Yeah, Nancy?

328
00:16:41,112 --> 00:16:43,521
(Nancy) It's also an excellent
teaching tool,

329
00:16:43,521 --> 00:16:45,532
because imagine if you have to describe

330
00:16:45,532 --> 00:16:47,736
what a lion is like (powerful),

331
00:16:47,736 --> 00:16:48,795
but when he says lion,

332
00:16:48,795 --> 00:16:49,912
you know it's powerful.

333
00:16:49,912 --> 00:16:52,215
When he says leopard, you know it's fast.

334
00:16:52,215 --> 00:16:54,421
(Derek) And what is a leopard
with extra wings,

335
00:16:54,421 --> 00:16:55,606
it's really fast, right?

336
00:16:55,606 --> 00:16:58,724
Because this is not, obviously,
a literal animal, is it?

337
00:16:58,724 --> 00:17:00,401
It's symbolism. Kenneth?

338
00:17:00,401 --> 00:17:03,020
(Kenneth) And also all through cultures

339
00:17:03,020 --> 00:17:05,000
throughout the history of the earth,

340
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,631
kingdoms represent their kingdom
with an animal.

341
00:17:08,631 --> 00:17:10,838
(Derek) Okay, so we might ask

342
00:17:10,838 --> 00:17:12,210
Hope Sabbath School members,

343
00:17:12,210 --> 00:17:14,113
we might ask you to tell us what animal,

344
00:17:14,113 --> 00:17:15,040
and they might say,

345
00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,193
"Well, a horse for Mongolia,"

346
00:17:17,193 --> 00:17:19,382
or, "a bear for Russia."

347
00:17:19,382 --> 00:17:20,560
That's a good point.

348
00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,367
So, back to what Brittany was saying,

349
00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:24,780
we found archaeological evidence

350
00:17:24,780 --> 00:17:26,215
that would point, for example,

351
00:17:26,215 --> 00:17:28,261
to the winged lion for Babylon. Travis.

352
00:17:28,261 --> 00:17:30,352
(Travis) As we see these beasts,

353
00:17:30,352 --> 00:17:32,028
they're destroying and conquering

354
00:17:32,028 --> 00:17:33,153
and doing these things.

355
00:17:33,153 --> 00:17:34,247
And Jesus in the Bible

356
00:17:34,247 --> 00:17:35,732
is represented as a Lamb.

357
00:17:35,732 --> 00:17:37,738
So it kind of separates...

358
00:17:37,738 --> 00:17:41,563
Jesus gives Himself out of love,

359
00:17:41,563 --> 00:17:43,432
and these are conquering beasts.

360
00:17:43,432 --> 00:17:44,804
(Derek) But He's also a Lion

361
00:17:44,804 --> 00:17:46,305
of the tribe of Judah, right?

362
00:17:46,305 --> 00:17:48,424
So even there you've got...

363
00:17:48,424 --> 00:17:52,110
showing His sacrificial work,

364
00:17:52,110 --> 00:17:55,654
but also He is King of kings

365
00:17:55,654 --> 00:17:57,360
and Lord of lords, right?

366
00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,466
So, what parallels do you see

367
00:17:59,466 --> 00:18:03,829
between this vision, if you will,

368
00:18:03,829 --> 00:18:06,053
and the vision in chapter 2

369
00:18:06,053 --> 00:18:09,885
that was given to Nebuchadnezzar?

370
00:18:09,885 --> 00:18:12,090
Anybody, what parallels
do you see? Harold?

371
00:18:12,090 --> 00:18:13,631
(Harold) They were kind of given

372
00:18:13,631 --> 00:18:14,522
in the same order

373
00:18:14,522 --> 00:18:16,289
in terms of the succeeding kingdoms.

374
00:18:16,289 --> 00:18:18,485
Like the first will be Babylon,

375
00:18:18,485 --> 00:18:20,277
and as Brittany mentioned,

376
00:18:20,277 --> 00:18:21,846
there is archaeological evidence

377
00:18:21,846 --> 00:18:24,409
that there was a lion with wings

378
00:18:24,409 --> 00:18:26,099
in the palaces of Babylonian kings,

379
00:18:26,099 --> 00:18:27,373
so we can say, "Oh, we can

380
00:18:27,373 --> 00:18:28,742
make that correlation."

381
00:18:28,742 --> 00:18:30,546
(Derek) You've got, very simply, too,

382
00:18:30,546 --> 00:18:33,221
you've got the four precious metals,
right?

383
00:18:33,221 --> 00:18:35,010
Well, iron, I guess, was precious

384
00:18:35,010 --> 00:18:36,512
in that it was very strong,

385
00:18:36,512 --> 00:18:38,957
but gold, silver, bronze, and iron.

386
00:18:38,957 --> 00:18:41,118
And you've got these four animals.

387
00:18:41,118 --> 00:18:43,496
So you've got that parallel.
Yes, Travis?

388
00:18:43,496 --> 00:18:44,667
(Travis) The rock comes

389
00:18:44,667 --> 00:18:45,767
and destroys the image,

390
00:18:45,767 --> 00:18:47,586
and we see God setting up His Kingdom.

391
00:18:47,586 --> 00:18:49,294
Actually, it destroys five things.

392
00:18:49,294 --> 00:18:51,230
It destroys gold, it destroys silver,

393
00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:52,605
it destroys bronze,

394
00:18:52,605 --> 00:18:55,071
and then the steel and the clay.

395
00:18:55,071 --> 00:18:56,868
And we see five elements

396
00:18:56,868 --> 00:18:58,344
that get destroyed also

397
00:18:58,344 --> 00:19:01,362
in Daniel, chapter 7.

398
00:19:01,362 --> 00:19:03,973
We see the lion, the leopard,

399
00:19:03,973 --> 00:19:05,399
you know, the beasts,

400
00:19:05,399 --> 00:19:07,371
and then little horn that gets destroyed.

401
00:19:07,371 --> 00:19:09,637
(Derek) So we're going to get
a similar outcome.

402
00:19:09,637 --> 00:19:11,361
In fact, all of the prophecies

403
00:19:11,361 --> 00:19:13,356
go from present time

404
00:19:13,356 --> 00:19:15,525
to God's ultimate deliverance, right?

405
00:19:15,525 --> 00:19:17,622
So that historical development,

406
00:19:17,622 --> 00:19:18,985
which is what we call

407
00:19:18,985 --> 00:19:22,170
the historicist method of interpretation,
right?

408
00:19:22,170 --> 00:19:25,856
This is sequential. Yes, Rodney?

409
00:19:25,856 --> 00:19:27,563
(Rodney) You also see a correlation

410
00:19:27,563 --> 00:19:31,045
in verse 7 with the iron teeth.

411
00:19:31,045 --> 00:19:32,601
So there's a reference there.

412
00:19:32,601 --> 00:19:33,772
(Derek) Even the metal.

413
00:19:33,772 --> 00:19:35,656
(Rodney) Even the metal coming in, yes.

414
00:19:35,656 --> 00:19:37,585
(Derek) All right. Yes, Rick,

415
00:19:37,585 --> 00:19:39,244
and then I want to talk about...

416
00:19:39,244 --> 00:19:40,963
Because Travis alluded to the fact

417
00:19:40,963 --> 00:19:42,883
that there's new information

418
00:19:42,883 --> 00:19:44,329
starting in verse 8,

419
00:19:44,329 --> 00:19:47,153
which isn't in the revelation

420
00:19:47,153 --> 00:19:48,941
given in Daniel 2. Rick?

421
00:19:48,941 --> 00:19:50,882
(Rick) It's interesting that Daniel 2

422
00:19:50,882 --> 00:19:53,470
is given to Nebuchadnezzar,
the pagan king,

423
00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:55,390
and this one is given to Daniel himself.

424
00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:56,935
(Derek) Straight to the prophet.

425
00:19:56,935 --> 00:19:59,149
(Rick) And it does seem that God
wants to give.

426
00:19:59,149 --> 00:20:02,150
It's so important; He wants to give
a little extra information,

427
00:20:02,150 --> 00:20:06,176
and I think that's interesting to the king
he gives the metals and the golden statue,

428
00:20:06,176 --> 00:20:08,099
which we relate to the idol of a king,

429
00:20:08,099 --> 00:20:09,988
and he, of course, went and made one.

430
00:20:09,988 --> 00:20:12,179
But here Daniel is given, like, organic;

431
00:20:12,179 --> 00:20:15,266
the natural animals are the symbols,

432
00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:16,625
so it's kind of interesting.

433
00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:19,028
(Derek) Natural and yet composite,

434
00:20:19,028 --> 00:20:21,874
so, you know, go, "What's
a lion doing...?"

435
00:20:21,874 --> 00:20:23,647
It's not a real lion is it?

436
00:20:23,647 --> 00:20:24,977
It's a composite beast.

437
00:20:24,977 --> 00:20:26,591
Brittany, I'd like you to take us

438
00:20:26,591 --> 00:20:31,239
to verse 8 and verses 19 to 25, which talk

439
00:20:31,239 --> 00:20:35,255
now about another power Travis alluded to,

440
00:20:35,255 --> 00:20:37,715
a little horn, which is not mentioned

441
00:20:37,715 --> 00:20:39,408
at all in the revelation

442
00:20:39,408 --> 00:20:41,381
given in Daniel 2.

443
00:20:41,381 --> 00:20:42,670
(Brittany) I'll be reading

444
00:20:42,670 --> 00:20:44,423
from the New King James Version,

445
00:20:44,423 --> 00:20:46,077
Daniel, chapter 7, verse 8,

446
00:20:46,077 --> 00:20:48,205
and then 19 through 25:

447
00:22:44,951 --> 00:22:46,435
(Derek) Now, when the secrets

448
00:22:46,435 --> 00:22:48,695
of the book of Daniel began to be opened

449
00:22:48,695 --> 00:22:51,428
as Reformers, as they were called,

450
00:22:51,428 --> 00:22:52,697
began to study the Bible,

451
00:22:52,697 --> 00:22:54,694
which had been taken away,

452
00:22:54,694 --> 00:22:56,015
now being translated

453
00:22:56,015 --> 00:22:57,547
into their own languages

454
00:22:57,547 --> 00:22:59,680
at the risk of their own lives,

455
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,760
they began to find a startling truth,

456
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,442
and that is that the Christian church

457
00:23:05,442 --> 00:23:09,494
based in Rome, the papacy,
seemed to fulfill

458
00:23:09,494 --> 00:23:12,498
all of the identifying characteristics

459
00:23:12,498 --> 00:23:14,701
of this little horn power.

460
00:23:14,701 --> 00:23:15,793
Now, that's troubling,

461
00:23:15,793 --> 00:23:17,489
because it's their church, right?

462
00:23:17,489 --> 00:23:19,156
Take Martin Luther, for example,

463
00:23:19,156 --> 00:23:21,547
who was a monk, right?

464
00:23:21,547 --> 00:23:23,349
This is his church.

465
00:23:23,349 --> 00:23:24,459
So he's trying to call

466
00:23:24,459 --> 00:23:28,258
the church back to the Bible.

467
00:23:28,258 --> 00:23:29,232
But what were some

468
00:23:29,232 --> 00:23:31,993
of the identifying characteristics

469
00:23:31,993 --> 00:23:34,646
that pointed to this actually being

470
00:23:34,646 --> 00:23:36,670
not just another political power

471
00:23:36,670 --> 00:23:39,966
but a political-religious power

472
00:23:39,966 --> 00:23:45,027
that was doing great harm?

473
00:23:45,027 --> 00:23:46,561
Let's just take one at a time.

474
00:23:46,561 --> 00:23:48,191
Rodney, what would you start with?

475
00:23:48,191 --> 00:23:50,008
(Rodney) "He shall speak pompous words

476
00:23:50,008 --> 00:23:51,667
against the Most High."

477
00:23:51,667 --> 00:23:54,651
(Derek) So that could possibly be

478
00:23:54,651 --> 00:23:56,252
a pagan kingdom, right,

479
00:23:56,252 --> 00:23:57,785
that would speak against God.

480
00:23:57,785 --> 00:23:59,218
They've done it before.

481
00:23:59,218 --> 00:24:03,431
But certainly there is a religious element
to this power.

482
00:24:03,431 --> 00:24:04,962
What else, Rick?

483
00:24:04,962 --> 00:24:06,117
(Rick) It's interesting;

484
00:24:06,117 --> 00:24:07,407
it very specifically says

485
00:24:07,407 --> 00:24:09,458
this horn is different from the others.

486
00:24:09,458 --> 00:24:11,369
It says the others are kings,

487
00:24:11,369 --> 00:24:13,547
so this one can't be a king;
it's different.

488
00:24:13,547 --> 00:24:14,652
(Derek) It's different.

489
00:24:14,652 --> 00:24:16,981
There's something about this Little Horn

490
00:24:16,981 --> 00:24:18,807
that's different from the ones before.

491
00:24:18,807 --> 00:24:19,779
Now this has come

492
00:24:19,779 --> 00:24:25,429
out of the collapsed Roman Empire, right,
these ten horns.

493
00:24:25,429 --> 00:24:27,859
And then you've got this Little Horn.

494
00:24:27,859 --> 00:24:29,513
What else do you see? Travis?

495
00:24:29,513 --> 00:24:31,072
(Travis) I was just going to say

496
00:24:31,072 --> 00:24:32,626
we get a geographical location

497
00:24:32,626 --> 00:24:33,708
because the ten kings,

498
00:24:33,708 --> 00:24:36,912
we know that that was the Roman Empire.

499
00:24:36,912 --> 00:24:39,748
So we have a geographical location

500
00:24:39,748 --> 00:24:42,730
in the world where this little horn
is coming from.

501
00:24:42,730 --> 00:24:44,837
(Derek) Some people might,

502
00:24:44,837 --> 00:24:46,405
going back to Daniel 2,

503
00:24:46,405 --> 00:24:48,785
say, "Well, the image had ten toes."

504
00:24:48,785 --> 00:24:50,890
But, I mean, everybody has ten toes

505
00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:52,475
unless they're deformed.

506
00:24:52,475 --> 00:24:54,136
But this is very specific.

507
00:24:54,136 --> 00:24:55,645
These are ten horns,

508
00:24:55,645 --> 00:24:58,024
and these ten horns are ten kings.

509
00:24:58,024 --> 00:24:59,374
So it's not just, well,

510
00:24:59,374 --> 00:25:01,287
everybody has ten horns, right?

511
00:25:01,287 --> 00:25:02,892
No it's very specific,

512
00:25:02,892 --> 00:25:04,889
and then the little one that grows up.

513
00:25:04,889 --> 00:25:05,981
What else did you see?

514
00:25:05,981 --> 00:25:08,498
We've got a lot of information. Evelyn?

515
00:25:08,498 --> 00:25:10,535
(Evelyn) I guess we could say
it's a given

516
00:25:10,535 --> 00:25:12,241
that when a king comes to power

517
00:25:12,241 --> 00:25:13,627
they try to change laws

518
00:25:13,627 --> 00:25:15,830
and try to do everything in their favor.

519
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:17,756
But what's interesting about this horn

520
00:25:17,756 --> 00:25:19,225
is that they're focused

521
00:25:19,225 --> 00:25:21,514
on changing the Law of God.

522
00:25:21,514 --> 00:25:23,269
So that's something very significant

523
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:24,416
about this Little Horn.

524
00:25:24,416 --> 00:25:25,905
They're specifically attacking

525
00:25:25,905 --> 00:25:27,610
God's people and God's Law.

526
00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:31,390
(Derek) "Times and laws."

527
00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:34,849
What Laws of God deal with time?

528
00:25:34,849 --> 00:25:36,372
(Team) The Sabbath, the fourth.

529
00:25:36,372 --> 00:25:40,476
(Derek) Certainly the fourth one does.
Any others?

530
00:25:40,476 --> 00:25:42,712
I suppose you could say

531
00:25:42,712 --> 00:25:44,644
the fifth one with, you know,

532
00:25:44,644 --> 00:25:46,076
you'll have a long life

533
00:25:46,076 --> 00:25:47,331
if you honor your parents.

534
00:25:47,331 --> 00:25:51,663
But really, "Remember the Sabbath day
to keep it holy.

535
00:25:51,663 --> 00:25:53,684
Six days labor, but the..."?

536
00:25:53,684 --> 00:25:55,948
...seventh day is the Sabbath.

537
00:25:55,948 --> 00:25:58,913
And it must have been shocking to some

538
00:25:58,913 --> 00:26:01,951
of these faithful followers of Jesus

539
00:26:01,951 --> 00:26:04,052
as they studied the Scriptures

540
00:26:04,052 --> 00:26:06,828
to say, "Well, that's exactly

541
00:26:06,828 --> 00:26:10,540
what our Church...," right?

542
00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:11,802
It's the Christian Church.

543
00:26:11,802 --> 00:26:14,669
It's not a pagan religious organization.

544
00:26:14,669 --> 00:26:16,126
They've changed times.

545
00:26:16,126 --> 00:26:18,545
Are there other laws that they changed?

546
00:26:18,545 --> 00:26:20,042
You say, "Well, doesn't one

547
00:26:20,042 --> 00:26:21,181
of the commandments say

548
00:26:21,181 --> 00:26:23,474
you should have no graven images

549
00:26:23,474 --> 00:26:25,251
and bow down to them?

550
00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:26,910
And yet their churches

551
00:26:26,910 --> 00:26:28,854
were full of images, right?

552
00:26:28,854 --> 00:26:31,925
They gave them Christian names, maybe,

553
00:26:31,925 --> 00:26:36,680
but this must have been a painful study.

554
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,073
What else did you see here?

555
00:26:38,073 --> 00:26:39,639
It's not just one or two things.

556
00:26:39,639 --> 00:26:40,451
They began to see

557
00:26:40,451 --> 00:26:42,988
other identifying characteristics.

558
00:26:42,988 --> 00:26:44,062
(Harold) Where it says

559
00:26:44,062 --> 00:26:45,312
also that the Little Horn

560
00:26:45,312 --> 00:26:47,306
plucked out three horns out of the ten

561
00:26:47,306 --> 00:26:49,575
that grew up out of the beast,
the fourth beast?

562
00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:50,704
There were three horns.

563
00:26:50,704 --> 00:26:52,655
So we have to look in history which horns

564
00:26:52,655 --> 00:26:54,283
because horns represents a king,

565
00:26:54,283 --> 00:26:55,586
which is tied to a kingdom,

566
00:26:55,586 --> 00:26:57,057
so in history this Little Horn

567
00:26:57,057 --> 00:26:59,267
had to have plucked three nations,
or uprooted,

568
00:26:59,267 --> 00:27:01,046
and they are not on the map anymore.

569
00:27:01,046 --> 00:27:04,042
(Derek) And you see that fulfilled
in history.

570
00:27:04,042 --> 00:27:06,046
Now, what that tells me,

571
00:27:06,046 --> 00:27:08,598
Rick said earlier it's different,

572
00:27:08,598 --> 00:27:10,694
and it is because it's a religious power,

573
00:27:10,694 --> 00:27:15,524
but apparently it has political

574
00:27:15,524 --> 00:27:17,959
and military power, too.

575
00:27:17,959 --> 00:27:20,984
You know, you can't pluck up kingdoms

576
00:27:20,984 --> 00:27:23,683
just by going to church.

577
00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:25,777
There's this kind of mixture

578
00:27:25,777 --> 00:27:29,325
of political, military

579
00:27:29,325 --> 00:27:31,311
and religious power. Travis?

580
00:27:31,311 --> 00:27:33,144
(Travis) And these kingdoms -

581
00:27:33,144 --> 00:27:35,739
the Heruli, the Ostrogoths,
and the Vandals,

582
00:27:35,739 --> 00:27:37,643
they were the kingdoms

583
00:27:37,643 --> 00:27:38,739
that were plucked out -

584
00:27:38,739 --> 00:27:39,871
they were plucked out

585
00:27:39,871 --> 00:27:41,331
for religious reasons as well.

586
00:27:41,331 --> 00:27:42,804
So they weren't conquered

587
00:27:42,804 --> 00:27:44,764
just because they wanted that area

588
00:27:44,764 --> 00:27:46,413
and to move in and take over.

589
00:27:46,413 --> 00:27:48,425
They were plucked out to make way

590
00:27:48,425 --> 00:27:50,876
for the teachings of the church.

591
00:27:50,876 --> 00:27:55,412
(Derek) So, what about persecuting,
Nicole?

592
00:27:55,412 --> 00:27:57,874
They not only were a religious power,

593
00:27:57,874 --> 00:27:59,781
but it says they persecuted,

594
00:27:59,781 --> 00:28:02,437
not just pagan people

595
00:28:02,437 --> 00:28:04,861
but the saints of the Most High.

596
00:28:04,861 --> 00:28:06,087
Where do you see that

597
00:28:06,087 --> 00:28:08,504
fulfilled in history,

598
00:28:08,504 --> 00:28:10,608
persecuting the saints of the Most High?

599
00:28:10,608 --> 00:28:11,904
Kenneth, do you want to...?

600
00:28:11,904 --> 00:28:14,429
(Kenneth) During the time
of the Dark Ages

601
00:28:14,429 --> 00:28:18,820
they were persecuting the faithful people

602
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:21,244
who would not go by the way.

603
00:28:21,244 --> 00:28:22,855
It is very interesting to know

604
00:28:22,855 --> 00:28:27,120
that this kingdom started
as a Little Horn

605
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,994
unlike the previous kings.

606
00:28:28,994 --> 00:28:31,173
You know, you see a lion, you see this,

607
00:28:31,173 --> 00:28:32,939
but this one came as a Little Horn.

608
00:28:32,939 --> 00:28:35,940
So, like, initially you would
not even suspect.

609
00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:38,671
But by the time it had become powerful...

610
00:28:38,671 --> 00:28:41,542
(Derek) It doesn't stay little, does it?

611
00:28:41,542 --> 00:28:43,172
What were some of the things

612
00:28:43,172 --> 00:28:46,591
they might be persecuted for?

613
00:28:46,591 --> 00:28:49,433
What does history tell us? Gladys?

614
00:28:49,433 --> 00:28:50,903
(Gladys) The Waldenses was one

615
00:28:50,903 --> 00:28:52,583
of the groups that were persecuted,

616
00:28:52,583 --> 00:28:53,745
and they were persecuted

617
00:28:53,745 --> 00:28:55,646
because they were focusing on the Bible.

618
00:28:55,646 --> 00:28:56,982
They were reading the Bible

619
00:28:56,982 --> 00:28:58,051
and teaching the Bible

620
00:28:58,051 --> 00:28:59,750
and making it accessible for people

621
00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:01,806
to understand the truth by themselves.

622
00:29:01,806 --> 00:29:03,808
And the Church was not agreeing with that

623
00:29:03,808 --> 00:29:05,368
because they were able

624
00:29:05,368 --> 00:29:06,490
to control the people

625
00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:08,803
by telling them what to believe.

626
00:29:08,803 --> 00:29:11,574
So they were persecuted for the truth.

627
00:29:11,574 --> 00:29:13,524
(Derek) Believing what the Bible taught,

628
00:29:13,524 --> 00:29:15,479
I think of John Hus also,

629
00:29:15,479 --> 00:29:17,889
who was martyred because he believed

630
00:29:17,889 --> 00:29:19,568
that people should have the Bible

631
00:29:19,568 --> 00:29:21,106
in their own language. Brittany?

632
00:29:21,106 --> 00:29:23,012
(Brittany) I think about Martin Luther

633
00:29:23,012 --> 00:29:25,102
and how he discovered what the Bible says,

634
00:29:25,102 --> 00:29:27,040
that we're saved by grace through faith.

635
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,227
And the Church had a lot

636
00:29:28,227 --> 00:29:31,478
of different things that people had to do
in order to earn salvation,

637
00:29:31,478 --> 00:29:32,634
at least in their mind.

638
00:29:32,634 --> 00:29:34,696
And so he was persecuted
for this teaching,

639
00:29:34,696 --> 00:29:36,704
that you don't have to do
all these things.

640
00:29:36,704 --> 00:29:37,901
You don't have to pay

641
00:29:37,901 --> 00:29:39,299
for your sins to be forgiven.

642
00:29:39,299 --> 00:29:40,691
You can go straight to God.

643
00:29:40,691 --> 00:29:42,604
(Derek) And one of the big challenges...

644
00:29:42,604 --> 00:29:44,111
By the way, let's be sensitive

645
00:29:44,111 --> 00:29:45,901
because this must have been painful

646
00:29:45,901 --> 00:29:47,316
to followers who are going,

647
00:29:47,316 --> 00:29:50,726
"What's happened to my Church?" right?

648
00:29:50,726 --> 00:29:52,234
And, of course, for Luther,

649
00:29:52,234 --> 00:29:53,639
one of the great challenges

650
00:29:53,639 --> 00:29:56,319
was this selling of indulgences,

651
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:57,845
that you could pay

652
00:29:57,845 --> 00:29:59,565
and buy your way to Heaven.

653
00:29:59,565 --> 00:30:01,616
And something stuck as he

654
00:30:01,616 --> 00:30:02,515
read the Scripture

655
00:30:02,515 --> 00:30:04,585
and said, "That's not right.

656
00:30:04,585 --> 00:30:06,739
That's not how we're saved." Jonathan?

657
00:30:06,739 --> 00:30:08,148
(Jonathan) Along those lines,

658
00:30:08,148 --> 00:30:09,610
it almost seems like there is

659
00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:12,456
a concerted effort to replace

660
00:30:12,456 --> 00:30:14,319
some of the images of the sanctuary.

661
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,149
You kind of change, transform,
how prayer works.

662
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,742
Instead of going directly to God,

663
00:30:18,742 --> 00:30:20,176
we go through another person.

664
00:30:20,176 --> 00:30:23,053
Instead of having our forgiveness
directly from God,

665
00:30:23,053 --> 00:30:28,175
it is mediated through the specific bread
you eat and these things.

666
00:30:28,175 --> 00:30:30,891
So it completely transforms
this true worship,

667
00:30:30,891 --> 00:30:33,166
which the next chapter talks about.

668
00:30:33,166 --> 00:30:35,067
So, yeah, there's this huge persecution

669
00:30:35,067 --> 00:30:36,809
for anyone who didn't abide by that.

670
00:30:36,809 --> 00:30:38,170
(Derek) We've got to move on

671
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:40,073
to the judgment scene because we've got

672
00:30:40,073 --> 00:30:42,201
definitely more information here,
don't we,

673
00:30:42,201 --> 00:30:43,873
than we had in Daniel, chapter 2.

674
00:30:43,873 --> 00:30:44,887
So let's go back now

675
00:30:44,887 --> 00:30:47,473
to Daniel, chapter 7, verses 9 and 10,

676
00:30:47,473 --> 00:30:49,768
where we see a judgment seat set.

677
00:30:49,768 --> 00:30:53,473
Nicole, could you read that for us,
verses 9 and 10?

678
00:30:53,473 --> 00:30:55,155
(Nicole) The New King James Version

679
00:30:55,155 --> 00:30:57,831
of Daniel 7, verses 9 and 10, says:

680
00:31:27,399 --> 00:31:28,772
(Derek) And back to verse 1,

681
00:31:28,772 --> 00:31:30,397
he wrote the main facts.

682
00:31:30,397 --> 00:31:32,016
What challenge do you think he had

683
00:31:32,016 --> 00:31:35,640
trying to write a description
of this scene?

684
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,547
(Nancy) He had nothing to compare it to.

685
00:31:37,547 --> 00:31:39,506
(Derek) He had nothing to compare it to.

686
00:31:39,506 --> 00:31:41,400
People say, "How many angels are there?

687
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,437
Ten thousand times ten thousand and..."

688
00:31:43,437 --> 00:31:45,953
It's like, that's a lot of angels, right?

689
00:31:45,953 --> 00:31:48,335
Tens of thousands of angels there,

690
00:31:48,335 --> 00:31:49,244
and he's never seen

691
00:31:49,244 --> 00:31:50,890
anything like this before.

692
00:31:50,890 --> 00:31:52,215
This is clearly not talking

693
00:31:52,215 --> 00:31:53,847
about an earthly kingdom, is it?

694
00:31:53,847 --> 00:31:54,587
(Team) No.

695
00:31:54,587 --> 00:31:56,082
(Derek) So, his mind is focused

696
00:31:56,082 --> 00:31:58,137
on the heavenly Kingdom, this judgment.

697
00:31:58,137 --> 00:32:00,193
If you could keep reading for us, Evelyn,

698
00:32:00,193 --> 00:32:04,650
in verses 26 and 27 of the same chapter 7,

699
00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:07,195
still talking about this judgment scene.

700
00:32:07,195 --> 00:32:08,585
(Evelyn) And I'll be reading

701
00:32:08,585 --> 00:32:10,272
from the New King James Version:

702
00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:36,185
(Derek) If that's the only thing you got

703
00:32:36,185 --> 00:32:37,995
from the study of the book of Daniel -

704
00:32:37,995 --> 00:32:39,614
we want to go into greater depth -

705
00:32:39,614 --> 00:32:41,173
is that there are these powers

706
00:32:41,173 --> 00:32:42,634
that are not only contending

707
00:32:42,634 --> 00:32:45,769
for position on Earth,

708
00:32:45,769 --> 00:32:48,626
but actually persecuting

709
00:32:48,626 --> 00:32:52,203
the people of God, but that God wins.

710
00:32:52,203 --> 00:32:53,221
(Team) Yes.

711
00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:55,379
(Derek) I mean, that's the big picture,
right?

712
00:32:55,379 --> 00:32:56,346
And as someone said,

713
00:32:56,346 --> 00:32:58,928
if God wins, then serve God, right?

714
00:32:58,928 --> 00:33:01,239
Follow God because He wins.

715
00:33:01,239 --> 00:33:03,015
That's important because we are

716
00:33:03,015 --> 00:33:05,209
going to look at a lot more information.

717
00:33:05,209 --> 00:33:07,526
We want to come to that reference

718
00:33:07,526 --> 00:33:09,315
in the judgment scene

719
00:33:09,315 --> 00:33:12,743
found in verses 13 and 14.

720
00:33:12,743 --> 00:33:14,366
And I'm going to ask Kenneth

721
00:33:14,366 --> 00:33:15,849
if you would read that for us

722
00:33:15,849 --> 00:33:19,426
in Daniel 7:13-14.

723
00:33:19,426 --> 00:33:20,616
(Kenneth) I'll be reading

724
00:33:20,616 --> 00:33:22,840
from the New King James Version,
and it reads:

725
00:33:50,056 --> 00:33:51,180
(Derek) Before we talk

726
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:52,443
about what this event is,

727
00:33:52,443 --> 00:33:55,949
let's pick up that title, Son of Man,

728
00:33:55,949 --> 00:33:59,637
"One like the Son of Man."

729
00:33:59,637 --> 00:34:01,033
Can you think of that title

730
00:34:01,033 --> 00:34:03,247
being used elsewhere? Rick?

731
00:34:03,247 --> 00:34:05,163
(Rick) Yeah, definitely in the Gospels.

732
00:34:05,163 --> 00:34:06,456
Jesus referred to Himself.

733
00:34:06,456 --> 00:34:08,248
(Derek) Let's look at a few of those.

734
00:34:08,248 --> 00:34:10,315
In fact, more than one time, right?

735
00:34:10,315 --> 00:34:11,984
Maybe you could start, Rick,

736
00:34:11,984 --> 00:34:15,200
in Matthew 8 and verse 20.

737
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,149
Someone else look up Matthew 9, verse 6,

738
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:21,118
and we'll look in Mark 13:24-27,

739
00:34:21,118 --> 00:34:23,080
Luke 9:26, and those are

740
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,291
just a few that I wrote down.

741
00:34:25,291 --> 00:34:27,775
Let's start in Matthew 8, verse 20.

742
00:34:27,775 --> 00:34:28,949
(Rick) Sure, I'm reading

743
00:34:28,949 --> 00:34:32,872
from the New King James Version,

744
00:34:32,872 --> 00:34:34,437
Matthew 8, verse 20:

745
00:34:43,898 --> 00:34:44,853
(Derek) Why does He

746
00:34:44,853 --> 00:34:48,804
call Himself the Son of Man? Yes, Travis.

747
00:34:48,804 --> 00:34:50,142
(Travis) Well, because He's

748
00:34:50,142 --> 00:34:52,047
the incarnate Son of God.

749
00:34:52,047 --> 00:34:55,442
So He took on humanity,

750
00:34:55,442 --> 00:35:00,362
and He took on the sinful nature...

751
00:35:00,362 --> 00:35:02,123
(Derek) He became a real human being.

752
00:35:02,123 --> 00:35:03,886
(Travis) And could really be tempted.

753
00:35:03,886 --> 00:35:06,076
(Derek) I love what it says
in John, chapter 1,

754
00:35:06,076 --> 00:35:09,295
"In the beginning was the Word, the Word
was with God, the Word..."?

755
00:35:09,295 --> 00:35:10,665
(Derek, Team) "...was God."

756
00:35:10,665 --> 00:35:12,587
(Derek) And verse 14, "And the Word..."?

757
00:35:12,587 --> 00:35:14,239
(Derek, Team) "...became flesh..."

758
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,262
(Derek) "...and dwelt among us,
and we..."?

759
00:35:16,262 --> 00:35:18,085
(Derek, Team) "...beheld His glory..."

760
00:35:18,085 --> 00:35:19,158
(Derek) "...the glory

761
00:35:19,158 --> 00:35:20,418
as of the only begotten."

762
00:35:20,418 --> 00:35:21,666
So He is fully Son of God,

763
00:35:21,666 --> 00:35:23,812
but He's also Son of Man, all right?

764
00:35:23,812 --> 00:35:26,416
What about Matthew, chapter 9,

765
00:35:26,416 --> 00:35:28,736
and verse 6, Gladys?

766
00:35:28,736 --> 00:35:29,976
(Gladys) I'll be reading

767
00:35:29,976 --> 00:35:31,668
from the New International Version,

768
00:35:31,668 --> 00:35:33,879
Matthew, chapter 9, verse 6:

769
00:35:45,629 --> 00:35:47,384
(Derek) So, what do you learn there

770
00:35:47,384 --> 00:35:48,703
about the Son of Man?

771
00:35:48,703 --> 00:35:51,992
It's not just, "I'm going to call Myself
Son of Man."

772
00:35:51,992 --> 00:35:53,817
(Gladys) He has authority.

773
00:35:53,817 --> 00:35:55,958
(Derek) He's the Son of God, right?

774
00:35:55,958 --> 00:36:01,045
This is what we call a messianic title,
Son of Man.

775
00:36:01,045 --> 00:36:03,883
Look in Mark, chapter 13.

776
00:36:03,883 --> 00:36:05,301
Brittany, do you have that?

777
00:36:05,301 --> 00:36:07,639
Verses 24 through 27.

778
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:09,264
You know, it's exciting, isn't it,

779
00:36:09,264 --> 00:36:10,211
to study the Bible.

780
00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:12,213
And you say, "Ah, that's why

781
00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:15,287
He's given this title, Son of Man."

782
00:36:15,287 --> 00:36:16,622
(Brittany) I'll be reading

783
00:36:16,622 --> 00:36:18,173
from the New King James Version,

784
00:36:18,173 --> 00:36:20,875
Mark, chapter 13, verses 24 through 27:

785
00:36:50,070 --> 00:36:52,238
(Derek) And that great event is the...?

786
00:36:52,238 --> 00:36:53,298
(Team) Second Coming.

787
00:36:53,298 --> 00:36:55,362
(Derek) Yeah, the glorious return
of Jesus.

788
00:36:55,362 --> 00:36:56,798
We call it the Second Coming.

789
00:36:56,798 --> 00:36:57,986
First Coming was when He

790
00:36:57,986 --> 00:36:59,679
came as a baby, right,

791
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:01,396
and then grew up, ministered,

792
00:37:01,396 --> 00:37:03,202
and died for our sins,

793
00:37:03,202 --> 00:37:05,018
rose again, ascended to Heaven.

794
00:37:05,018 --> 00:37:07,179
This is the second glorious coming,

795
00:37:07,179 --> 00:37:08,757
and He calls Himself..."?

796
00:37:08,757 --> 00:37:10,457
(Derek, Team) The Son of Man.

797
00:37:10,457 --> 00:37:12,193
(Derek) One last reference,

798
00:37:12,193 --> 00:37:15,391
Luke 9, verse 26, someone have that,

799
00:37:15,391 --> 00:37:16,422
would read it for us?

800
00:37:16,422 --> 00:37:19,079
Harold, Luke 9, verse 26.

801
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:20,753
(Harold) Yes, and I'll be reading

802
00:37:20,753 --> 00:37:24,512
from the New King James Version,
Luke 9, verse 26:

803
00:37:39,977 --> 00:37:43,725
(Derek) Son of Man, Son of God, right?

804
00:37:43,725 --> 00:37:45,923
And that role is crucially important.

805
00:37:45,923 --> 00:37:47,436
Travis, you alluded to it.

806
00:37:47,436 --> 00:37:50,068
In 1 Timothy Paul tells us,

807
00:37:50,068 --> 00:37:51,857
in chapter 2, verse 5,

808
00:37:51,857 --> 00:37:54,471
the special work of the Son of Man.

809
00:37:54,471 --> 00:37:55,991
It's why He's called Son of Man

810
00:37:55,991 --> 00:37:59,714
and not just always referred
to as Son of God.

811
00:37:59,714 --> 00:38:01,047
What is that special work?

812
00:38:01,047 --> 00:38:02,300
Nancy, do you have that,

813
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:04,493
1 Timothy 2 and verse 5?

814
00:38:04,493 --> 00:38:05,671
(Nancy) And I'm reading

815
00:38:05,671 --> 00:38:07,381
from the New King James Version:

816
00:38:14,645 --> 00:38:16,111
(Derek) And people say, "Oh,

817
00:38:16,111 --> 00:38:17,314
it says He's just a man."

818
00:38:17,314 --> 00:38:20,558
No, He's Son of Man and also...?

819
00:38:20,558 --> 00:38:22,160
(Derek, Team) Son of God.

820
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,652
(Derek) And He is the Mediator.

821
00:38:23,652 --> 00:38:25,867
Do you remember at the end of John 1

822
00:38:25,867 --> 00:38:29,138
where it says He's like the ladder,

823
00:38:29,138 --> 00:38:31,931
it connects Heaven and Earth, right,

824
00:38:31,931 --> 00:38:33,253
angels going up and down.

825
00:38:33,253 --> 00:38:35,128
That's a symbol, of course,

826
00:38:35,128 --> 00:38:39,038
but He's connecting Heaven and Earth

827
00:38:39,038 --> 00:38:41,485
so that we can find our way back to God.

828
00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:44,997
I just say Amen; it's a beautiful picture
isn't it?

829
00:38:44,997 --> 00:38:48,631
Now, this coming of the Son of Man,

830
00:38:48,631 --> 00:38:50,607
it says with clouds.

831
00:38:50,607 --> 00:38:52,261
Go back to Daniel with us,

832
00:38:52,261 --> 00:38:55,302
to Daniel, chapter 7, verse 13.

833
00:38:55,302 --> 00:38:56,458
He comes with clouds

834
00:38:56,458 --> 00:38:58,475
to the Ancient of Days.

835
00:38:58,475 --> 00:39:01,775
Is that talking about the Second Coming

836
00:39:01,775 --> 00:39:04,820
of Jesus or another event?

837
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:07,888
I see some heads moving. Jonathan?

838
00:39:07,888 --> 00:39:10,002
(Jonathan) I think it's pretty clear

839
00:39:10,002 --> 00:39:11,315
that it's happening

840
00:39:11,315 --> 00:39:12,954
in a specific time period, right,

841
00:39:12,954 --> 00:39:14,711
kind of after you have this time

842
00:39:14,711 --> 00:39:15,875
where the beast has said

843
00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:17,039
these pompous words,

844
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,074
these things about the Most High.

845
00:39:19,074 --> 00:39:22,445
And then there's this response
of the judgment,

846
00:39:22,445 --> 00:39:23,680
and it's in the context

847
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,313
of that, that there is this coming

848
00:39:26,313 --> 00:39:28,615
of the Son of Man before He comes

849
00:39:28,615 --> 00:39:29,753
to receive His Kingdom.

850
00:39:29,753 --> 00:39:31,680
So He receives something

851
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,773
in nature of the character and responding

852
00:39:34,773 --> 00:39:36,280
to the pompous words,

853
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,393
but not the actual Second Coming
of Christ.

854
00:39:38,393 --> 00:39:39,695
(Derek) And you're probably

855
00:39:39,695 --> 00:39:40,875
going to tell us we need

856
00:39:40,875 --> 00:39:42,871
to study Daniel, chapter 8 and 9

857
00:39:42,871 --> 00:39:45,274
to see the rest of that story.

858
00:39:45,274 --> 00:39:47,316
Travis, you want to add to that.

859
00:39:47,316 --> 00:39:49,069
(Travis) We've got to remember, too,

860
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:50,663
that Daniel and Revelation both

861
00:39:50,663 --> 00:39:51,973
are highly symbolic.

862
00:39:51,973 --> 00:39:53,403
And so Jesus coming,

863
00:39:53,403 --> 00:39:56,189
we see Him coming with the clouds.

864
00:39:56,189 --> 00:39:57,668
We can get the interpretation

865
00:39:57,668 --> 00:39:59,295
that clouds can mean angels.

866
00:39:59,295 --> 00:40:01,672
So the Son of Man coming with angels

867
00:40:01,672 --> 00:40:03,264
to the judgment scene.

868
00:40:03,264 --> 00:40:04,828
(Derek) And, of course, He comes

869
00:40:04,828 --> 00:40:06,593
in glory at the end in the clouds,

870
00:40:06,593 --> 00:40:08,047
and it says with ten thousand

871
00:40:08,047 --> 00:40:09,141
times ten thousand.

872
00:40:09,141 --> 00:40:10,881
So those angels that we see

873
00:40:10,881 --> 00:40:12,412
at the judgment scene

874
00:40:12,412 --> 00:40:13,686
are going to come with Him

875
00:40:13,686 --> 00:40:14,812
when He comes in glory.

876
00:40:14,812 --> 00:40:17,241
It's going to be an amazing scene,
don't you think,

877
00:40:17,241 --> 00:40:19,157
especially if we're...

878
00:40:19,157 --> 00:40:20,243
(Gladys) The redeemed.

879
00:40:20,243 --> 00:40:22,451
(Derek) Yeah, we've accepted Him
as our Savior,

880
00:40:22,451 --> 00:40:23,813
and we go, "This is our God.

881
00:40:23,813 --> 00:40:24,814
We've waited for Him,

882
00:40:24,814 --> 00:40:26,196
and He will save us," right?

883
00:40:26,196 --> 00:40:28,622
That's the prayer for each one, isn't it?

884
00:40:28,622 --> 00:40:31,216
That we will welcome Him with joy.

885
00:40:31,216 --> 00:40:33,289
(Derek) So, tell me some other Scriptures.

886
00:40:33,289 --> 00:40:35,835
Jonathan, I think you're absolutely right,

887
00:40:35,835 --> 00:40:37,831
that this is a judgment scene,

888
00:40:37,831 --> 00:40:39,423
and the Son of Man,

889
00:40:39,423 --> 00:40:42,649
who is none other than the Son of God

890
00:40:42,649 --> 00:40:46,687
who became flesh, Jesus our Savior.

891
00:40:46,687 --> 00:40:49,126
He has a key role in this judgment.

892
00:40:49,126 --> 00:40:50,489
Is there any other Scripture

893
00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:52,936
that would reinforce that, Brittany,

894
00:40:52,936 --> 00:40:57,008
that Jesus, Son of Man, Son of God,

895
00:40:57,008 --> 00:40:59,143
has an important role in the judgment?

896
00:40:59,143 --> 00:41:00,855
(Brittany) There are many Scriptures

897
00:41:00,855 --> 00:41:03,854
that talk about how He is our Judge,

898
00:41:03,854 --> 00:41:07,444
He is our Advocate, He is our Witness.

899
00:41:07,444 --> 00:41:09,142
And one of them is in John,

900
00:41:09,142 --> 00:41:10,936
chapter 5, verse 22.

901
00:41:10,936 --> 00:41:12,479
(Derek) Okay, let's take a look.

902
00:41:12,479 --> 00:41:14,032
Actually, John 5 has quite a bit

903
00:41:14,032 --> 00:41:15,691
about the end judgment

904
00:41:15,691 --> 00:41:18,580
and about the resurrection

905
00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:20,389
when Jesus comes, too.

906
00:41:20,389 --> 00:41:22,266
Let's look at verse 22

907
00:41:22,266 --> 00:41:23,757
of John, chapter 5, then.

908
00:41:23,757 --> 00:41:25,046
(Brittany) I'll be reading

909
00:41:25,046 --> 00:41:26,631
from the New King James Version,

910
00:41:26,631 --> 00:41:28,492
John, chapter 5, verse 22:

911
00:41:34,966 --> 00:41:36,662
(Derek) Why do you think that is?

912
00:41:36,662 --> 00:41:37,811
Rick? I mean, the Father

913
00:41:37,811 --> 00:41:39,762
could certainly do the judgment, right?

914
00:41:39,762 --> 00:41:42,589
Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one God,

915
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:46,583
so why would the Father say...?

916
00:41:46,583 --> 00:41:48,688
(Rick) I think because He's
the Son of Man.

917
00:41:48,688 --> 00:41:49,966
He's walked in our shoes.

918
00:41:49,966 --> 00:41:51,333
He can judge fairly.

919
00:41:51,333 --> 00:41:53,372
He knows what it's like to be human.

920
00:41:53,372 --> 00:41:54,746
(Derek) But don't you think

921
00:41:54,746 --> 00:41:57,165
the Father could judge fairly, too?

922
00:41:57,165 --> 00:41:59,604
So for whose benefit is it?

923
00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:01,048
(Derek, Team) Ours.

924
00:42:01,048 --> 00:42:02,690
(Derek) Because, and Brittany

925
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:04,700
alluded to this beautiful truth,

926
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:07,279
there's another verse in Scripture

927
00:42:07,279 --> 00:42:10,160
that says He's not only our Judge,

928
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,693
but He's also our Advocate.

929
00:42:12,693 --> 00:42:13,694
What is "Advocate"?

930
00:42:13,694 --> 00:42:16,771
It's like our attorney, right?

931
00:42:16,771 --> 00:42:18,491
Where is that verse found?

932
00:42:18,491 --> 00:42:20,113
Anybody know where it's found?

933
00:42:20,113 --> 00:42:21,375
(Stephanie) First John 2.

934
00:42:21,375 --> 00:42:23,728
(Derek) First John, Stephanie, chapter 2?

935
00:42:23,728 --> 00:42:25,178
Chapter 1 tells us, if we

936
00:42:25,178 --> 00:42:28,584
confess our sins (1 John 1, verse 9),

937
00:42:28,584 --> 00:42:30,575
He's faithful and just to...?

938
00:42:30,575 --> 00:42:31,906
(Derek, Team) Forgive us.

939
00:42:31,906 --> 00:42:34,529
(Derek) By the way, we need that
if we're going to stand

940
00:42:34,529 --> 00:42:35,683
in the judgment, right?

941
00:42:35,683 --> 00:42:37,499
We need forgiveness; we need a Savior.

942
00:42:37,499 --> 00:42:41,422
But read for us 1 John 2 and verse 1.

943
00:42:41,422 --> 00:42:43,860
Maybe verses 1 to 3, if you would,
Thank you.

944
00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:45,241
(Stephanie) I'll be reading

945
00:42:45,241 --> 00:42:46,818
from the King James Version:

946
00:43:14,383 --> 00:43:15,713
(Derek) So, if He's the One

947
00:43:15,713 --> 00:43:16,867
who makes the atonement

948
00:43:16,867 --> 00:43:18,473
for the sins of the whole world,

949
00:43:18,473 --> 00:43:19,623
does that mean, Evelyn,

950
00:43:19,623 --> 00:43:21,303
that everyone can be saved?

951
00:43:21,303 --> 00:43:22,409
(Evelyn) Yes.

952
00:43:22,409 --> 00:43:25,130
(Derek) She said yes. Anybody agree
or disagree?

953
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:27,087
Everyone can be saved,

954
00:43:27,087 --> 00:43:28,815
so why isn't everybody saved?

955
00:43:28,815 --> 00:43:31,915
Because if I read the companion book
of Revelation,

956
00:43:31,915 --> 00:43:33,216
there are people crying

957
00:43:33,216 --> 00:43:34,957
for rocks to fall on them

958
00:43:34,957 --> 00:43:37,797
rather than welcoming Jesus
with joy. Gladys?

959
00:43:37,797 --> 00:43:39,539
(Gladys) Because you have to accept.

960
00:43:39,539 --> 00:43:41,028
Salvation is a gift that has

961
00:43:41,028 --> 00:43:42,532
already been paid for,

962
00:43:42,532 --> 00:43:43,743
but you have to accept it

963
00:43:43,743 --> 00:43:45,013
in order to receive it.

964
00:43:45,013 --> 00:43:46,846
(Derek) I'm thinking of another verse

965
00:43:46,846 --> 00:43:50,705
that says, "Everyone who calls

966
00:43:50,705 --> 00:43:54,627
on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

967
00:43:54,627 --> 00:43:58,293
Is it that simple? "Jesus, save me."

968
00:43:58,293 --> 00:44:00,176
"Jesus, save me?" Jonathan?

969
00:44:00,176 --> 00:44:01,989
(Jonathan) I'm thinking of John 3:19,

970
00:44:01,989 --> 00:44:03,353
"This is the judgment,

971
00:44:03,353 --> 00:44:04,815
light has come into the world,

972
00:44:04,815 --> 00:44:07,076
but men have chosen darkness
rather than light."

973
00:44:07,076 --> 00:44:08,552
So Christ came as this light

974
00:44:08,552 --> 00:44:09,898
bringing these truths,

975
00:44:09,898 --> 00:44:11,945
bringing this picture of a loving God

976
00:44:11,945 --> 00:44:14,776
and of the reality of life lived out

977
00:44:14,776 --> 00:44:16,559
according to God's pattern.

978
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:18,822
And we choose that or we reject it.

979
00:44:18,822 --> 00:44:20,197
(Derek) And the tragic thing

980
00:44:20,197 --> 00:44:21,648
that you quoted from John 3,

981
00:44:21,648 --> 00:44:25,383
it says, "They loved darkness
rather than light,"

982
00:44:25,383 --> 00:44:27,763
and Jesus is the light of the world!

983
00:44:27,763 --> 00:44:29,061
They loved darkness,

984
00:44:29,061 --> 00:44:33,830
and the ultimate personification
of darkness is...?

985
00:44:33,830 --> 00:44:34,853
(Derek, Team) Satan.

986
00:44:34,853 --> 00:44:36,205
(Derek) And his kingdom,

987
00:44:36,205 --> 00:44:38,043
It's startling that people would love

988
00:44:38,043 --> 00:44:41,339
darkness rather than love light.
Yes, Rodney?

989
00:44:41,339 --> 00:44:42,765
(Rodney) I'm just delighted

990
00:44:42,765 --> 00:44:44,367
that we have this hope in Jesus.

991
00:44:44,367 --> 00:44:46,379
We have an advocate, and that's why we do

992
00:44:46,379 --> 00:44:47,376
Hope Sabbath School.

993
00:44:47,376 --> 00:44:49,287
We want the world to know

994
00:44:49,287 --> 00:44:51,607
that you, too, can be saved.

995
00:44:51,607 --> 00:44:54,042
It's an amazing promise from Jesus.

996
00:44:54,042 --> 00:44:55,348
(Derek) From every nation,

997
00:44:55,348 --> 00:44:57,003
kindred, tongue and people.

998
00:44:57,003 --> 00:44:58,421
Yes, even from Great Britain,

999
00:44:58,421 --> 00:44:59,908
where I come from, right?

1000
00:44:59,908 --> 00:45:02,949
Praise God! There is no on excluded

1001
00:45:02,949 --> 00:45:05,597
who calls upon the name
of the Lord, right? Rick?

1002
00:45:05,597 --> 00:45:07,290
(Rick) And we saw it even in Daniel

1003
00:45:07,290 --> 00:45:08,754
with Nebuchadnezzar, a king

1004
00:45:08,754 --> 00:45:10,278
that was so full of himself,

1005
00:45:10,278 --> 00:45:11,918
and, "Look at this great kingdom."

1006
00:45:11,918 --> 00:45:13,586
And God, in His love, humbled him,

1007
00:45:13,586 --> 00:45:15,793
and all he had to do was look to heaven,

1008
00:45:15,793 --> 00:45:17,745
and God saved him; it's amazing...

1009
00:45:17,745 --> 00:45:19,023
(Derek) I think we'll have

1010
00:45:19,023 --> 00:45:20,328
some surprises when we get

1011
00:45:20,328 --> 00:45:21,562
to the Kingdom of Heaven.

1012
00:45:21,562 --> 00:45:23,400
One of my favorite preachers once said

1013
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,699
the first surprise is that we made it

1014
00:45:26,699 --> 00:45:28,786
by the grace of God.

1015
00:45:28,786 --> 00:45:30,076
But there'll be some people

1016
00:45:30,076 --> 00:45:32,081
that we say, "Really?"

1017
00:45:32,081 --> 00:45:33,493
Of course, the Bible tells us

1018
00:45:33,493 --> 00:45:35,830
about the repentance of Nebuchadnezzar.

1019
00:45:35,830 --> 00:45:37,394
It tells us about the repentance

1020
00:45:37,394 --> 00:45:40,467
of a thief dying on a cross next to Jesus.

1021
00:45:40,467 --> 00:45:42,704
But there may be some stories
not recorded,

1022
00:45:42,704 --> 00:45:45,414
and we're like, "How did YOU get here?!"

1023
00:45:45,414 --> 00:45:46,755
And what's the answer?

1024
00:45:46,755 --> 00:45:48,048
(Team) By the grace of God.

1025
00:45:48,048 --> 00:45:49,855
(Derek) "The same way you did,

1026
00:45:49,855 --> 00:45:52,011
by the grace of God."

1027
00:45:52,011 --> 00:45:53,605
So, let's take a look, then,

1028
00:45:53,605 --> 00:45:55,844
at this judgment, which is not

1029
00:45:55,844 --> 00:45:58,029
only a judgment against

1030
00:45:58,029 --> 00:45:59,202
the Little Horn power

1031
00:45:59,202 --> 00:46:01,679
and all that confederation

1032
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:04,094
that is opposing God,

1033
00:46:04,094 --> 00:46:07,581
but it's a judgment in favor

1034
00:46:07,581 --> 00:46:09,459
of the saints of the Most High.

1035
00:46:09,459 --> 00:46:11,721
Let's go to Daniel, chapter 7,

1036
00:46:11,721 --> 00:46:13,647
and let's take a look first

1037
00:46:13,647 --> 00:46:16,752
at verse 21 and 25.

1038
00:46:16,752 --> 00:46:18,094
And I'm going to ask Rodney

1039
00:46:18,094 --> 00:46:19,362
if you'd read that for us.

1040
00:46:19,362 --> 00:46:20,833
Verse 21 and 25, and I'm

1041
00:46:20,833 --> 00:46:21,798
only passing over it

1042
00:46:21,798 --> 00:46:22,938
because the middle part

1043
00:46:22,938 --> 00:46:24,924
talks about in favor of the saints.

1044
00:46:24,924 --> 00:46:26,001
(Rick) And I'm reading

1045
00:46:26,001 --> 00:46:27,597
from the New King James Version:

1046
00:46:56,526 --> 00:46:59,333
(Derek) Now, if that's the only Scripture,
Nicole, we had,

1047
00:46:59,333 --> 00:47:01,711
that would be what?

1048
00:47:01,711 --> 00:47:03,230
Devastating, yeah, it would be

1049
00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:06,101
more than depressing, right?

1050
00:47:06,101 --> 00:47:09,947
But the fact that a judgment is coming,

1051
00:47:09,947 --> 00:47:12,950
what does that do for us?

1052
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:14,981
(Team Member) Gives us hope.

1053
00:47:14,981 --> 00:47:16,417
(Derek) Gives us hope.

1054
00:47:16,417 --> 00:47:18,207
(Evelyn) Shows us that God is fair.

1055
00:47:18,207 --> 00:47:19,856
(Derek) Shows us that God is fair.

1056
00:47:19,856 --> 00:47:21,423
By the way, to this same power,

1057
00:47:21,423 --> 00:47:23,200
you read Revelation (we should study

1058
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,927
both books together, right),

1059
00:47:24,927 --> 00:47:26,913
"Come out of her..."?

1060
00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:28,615
(Derek, Team) "...My people."

1061
00:47:28,615 --> 00:47:30,513
(Derek) And that's what the Reformation

1062
00:47:30,513 --> 00:47:32,877
and the ongoing Reformation is all about.

1063
00:47:32,877 --> 00:47:34,387
We're not throwing rocks.

1064
00:47:34,387 --> 00:47:37,619
We're just saying, while there's
still time,

1065
00:47:37,619 --> 00:47:39,193
hear the appeal of God

1066
00:47:39,193 --> 00:47:41,457
to follow the Word of God

1067
00:47:41,457 --> 00:47:44,651
rather than the traditions
of people, right,

1068
00:47:44,651 --> 00:47:47,023
which may sound religious,

1069
00:47:47,023 --> 00:47:48,075
but are they based

1070
00:47:48,075 --> 00:47:49,368
on the clear teaching

1071
00:47:49,368 --> 00:47:50,522
of the Word of God?

1072
00:47:50,522 --> 00:47:52,731
And the most fundamental teaching

1073
00:47:52,731 --> 00:47:55,047
is how we're saved, right?

1074
00:47:55,047 --> 00:47:59,240
Are we saved by religious works,
by paying money?

1075
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:02,029
Are we saved by the amazing grace of God

1076
00:48:02,029 --> 00:48:03,576
who loves us? Rodney?

1077
00:48:03,576 --> 00:48:05,266
(Rodney) It means it's time for us

1078
00:48:05,266 --> 00:48:07,065
to get to know this Jesus,

1079
00:48:07,065 --> 00:48:10,303
not about Him but to get to know Him,

1080
00:48:10,303 --> 00:48:13,126
to have that deep connected relationship
with Him

1081
00:48:13,126 --> 00:48:14,530
because He's our Advocate,

1082
00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:16,312
and it's time for us to prepare.

1083
00:48:16,312 --> 00:48:17,301
(Derek) So let's go

1084
00:48:17,301 --> 00:48:21,044
to verses 21 and 22, 27,

1085
00:48:21,044 --> 00:48:23,608
and then I'll drop back to verse 18

1086
00:48:23,608 --> 00:48:24,820
because there are several

1087
00:48:24,820 --> 00:48:26,166
that talk about the judgment

1088
00:48:26,166 --> 00:48:27,439
in favor of the saints.

1089
00:48:27,439 --> 00:48:29,591
And, Nancy, would you read that for us?

1090
00:48:29,591 --> 00:48:34,677
Verses 21, 22, 27 and then back
in verse 18.

1091
00:48:34,677 --> 00:48:36,072
(Nancy) Okay, so I'm reading

1092
00:48:36,072 --> 00:48:37,783
from the New King James Version:

1093
00:48:56,940 --> 00:48:58,279
And now 27:

1094
00:49:16,297 --> 00:49:17,615
And 18:

1095
00:49:28,449 --> 00:49:30,903
(Derek) Did you get it?

1096
00:49:30,903 --> 00:49:33,992
There are people being persecuted today

1097
00:49:33,992 --> 00:49:36,966
for being faithful to the Word of God.

1098
00:49:36,966 --> 00:49:38,915
Some of them are being persecuted,

1099
00:49:38,915 --> 00:49:42,001
I'm sure, by pagan or secular powers.

1100
00:49:42,001 --> 00:49:43,424
But, by the way, even pagan

1101
00:49:43,424 --> 00:49:45,027
or secular powers have

1102
00:49:45,027 --> 00:49:46,643
a religious perspective,

1103
00:49:46,643 --> 00:49:48,047
even if it's that, "I'm God,

1104
00:49:48,047 --> 00:49:49,800
and there's nobody else," right?

1105
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,927
So they have a perspective.

1106
00:49:52,927 --> 00:49:55,469
What important message

1107
00:49:55,469 --> 00:49:57,600
does the book of Daniel, chapter 7, bring

1108
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,505
for those who may even today,

1109
00:49:59,505 --> 00:50:02,057
maybe some watching today in secret

1110
00:50:02,057 --> 00:50:03,317
on their app, you know

1111
00:50:03,317 --> 00:50:05,219
on their smartphone, watching,

1112
00:50:05,219 --> 00:50:08,259
and they're going, "This is really bad."

1113
00:50:08,259 --> 00:50:09,993
You know, "We are suffering

1114
00:50:09,993 --> 00:50:12,047
just because we want to follow the Bible,

1115
00:50:12,047 --> 00:50:15,952
and we want to be followers of Jesus."
Yes, Gladys?

1116
00:50:15,952 --> 00:50:19,226
(Gladys) We read the end of the story,
and God wins.

1117
00:50:19,226 --> 00:50:20,070
(Derek) God wins?

1118
00:50:20,070 --> 00:50:21,019
(Gladys) God wins.

1119
00:50:21,019 --> 00:50:22,182
(Derek) And the Kingdom?

1120
00:50:22,182 --> 00:50:23,554
(Gladys) The Kingdom will be

1121
00:50:23,554 --> 00:50:25,049
of His people forever and ever.

1122
00:50:25,049 --> 00:50:26,822
His Kingdom will never be destroyed.

1123
00:50:26,822 --> 00:50:27,837
(Derek) And how many

1124
00:50:27,837 --> 00:50:29,234
does He want in that Kingdom?

1125
00:50:29,234 --> 00:50:30,117
(Team) All of us!

1126
00:50:30,117 --> 00:50:31,646
(Derek) Yeah, unless you think,

1127
00:50:31,646 --> 00:50:33,152
"Oh, you're being elitist," no.

1128
00:50:33,152 --> 00:50:35,110
He wants all of them there, right,

1129
00:50:35,110 --> 00:50:39,305
who will choose to accept
His salvation. Harold?

1130
00:50:39,305 --> 00:50:41,186
(Harold) I just want, if it's possible,

1131
00:50:41,186 --> 00:50:43,045
to read a verse from 2 Peter,

1132
00:50:43,045 --> 00:50:44,472
chapter 3, verses 8 and 9,

1133
00:50:44,472 --> 00:50:46,414
regarding God's longsuffering.

1134
00:50:46,414 --> 00:50:48,017
(Derek) It's a beautiful passage.

1135
00:50:48,017 --> 00:50:49,392
Why don't you take us there.

1136
00:50:49,392 --> 00:50:51,460
What translation of the Bible do you have?

1137
00:50:51,460 --> 00:50:53,498
(Harold) I have the New
King James Version.

1138
00:50:53,498 --> 00:50:57,198
(Derek) And 2 Peter, chapter 3,
verses 8 and 9.

1139
00:50:57,198 --> 00:50:59,271
Right after that it says,

1140
00:50:59,271 --> 00:51:01,508
"But the day of the Lord will come,

1141
00:51:01,508 --> 00:51:02,779
and the elements are going

1142
00:51:02,779 --> 00:51:04,380
to melt with fervent heat."

1143
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:06,325
So, this final judgment,

1144
00:51:06,325 --> 00:51:07,736
the end of all things,

1145
00:51:07,736 --> 00:51:08,700
and then, of course

1146
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:10,072
verse 13 of that chapter,

1147
00:51:10,072 --> 00:51:11,487
a new heavens and a new earth

1148
00:51:11,487 --> 00:51:12,830
where righteousness dwells.

1149
00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:14,782
I love that because there are places now

1150
00:51:14,782 --> 00:51:15,915
where righteousness

1151
00:51:15,915 --> 00:51:18,332
is not dwelling, right?

1152
00:51:18,332 --> 00:51:19,624
But you're reading verses 8

1153
00:51:19,624 --> 00:51:21,204
and 9 of 2 Peter 3.

1154
00:51:21,204 --> 00:51:23,078
(Harold) Correct, and it reads:

1155
00:51:47,335 --> 00:51:48,897
(Derek) So, the mercy of God

1156
00:51:48,897 --> 00:51:51,044
wanting everyone to repent.

1157
00:51:51,044 --> 00:51:52,839
And repentance means what?

1158
00:51:52,839 --> 00:51:53,873
What does that mean?

1159
00:51:53,873 --> 00:51:57,151
It doesn't mean paying money, right?

1160
00:51:57,151 --> 00:51:59,419
(Gladys) Turning back to God.

1161
00:51:59,419 --> 00:52:01,049
(Derek) Turning toward God,

1162
00:52:01,049 --> 00:52:02,763
away from darkness to...?

1163
00:52:02,763 --> 00:52:03,566
(Team) Light.

1164
00:52:03,566 --> 00:52:06,274
(Derek) The light of Jesus, right? 
Repentance.

1165
00:52:06,274 --> 00:52:08,089
Now, the Apostle Paul,

1166
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:09,673
maybe he read the book of Daniel

1167
00:52:09,673 --> 00:52:11,282
about the saints of the Most High

1168
00:52:11,282 --> 00:52:12,989
and the persecution.

1169
00:52:12,989 --> 00:52:17,145
Even in his day in the pagan Roman Empire,

1170
00:52:17,145 --> 00:52:18,875
there was persecution, right?

1171
00:52:18,875 --> 00:52:19,839
(Team) Yes.

1172
00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:22,448
(Derek) What were some things
that he suffered

1173
00:52:22,448 --> 00:52:24,514
just for being a follower of Jesus?

1174
00:52:24,514 --> 00:52:29,098
(Gladys) He was flogged, stoned.

1175
00:52:29,098 --> 00:52:35,673
(Derek) Left for dead, yes, imprisoned.

1176
00:52:35,673 --> 00:52:39,424
Yeah, he was...what do you call it

1177
00:52:39,424 --> 00:52:41,579
when everywhere you go they persecute you?

1178
00:52:41,579 --> 00:52:43,604
(Team) A fugitive.

1179
00:52:43,604 --> 00:52:45,409
(Derek) He was like a fugitive,

1180
00:52:45,409 --> 00:52:47,167
but everywhere he went

1181
00:52:47,167 --> 00:52:49,654
he told people about Jesus, right?

1182
00:52:49,654 --> 00:52:51,584
So he had experienced a lot

1183
00:52:51,584 --> 00:52:53,524
of hardship in his own life.

1184
00:52:53,524 --> 00:52:54,922
And yet I want you to notice

1185
00:52:54,922 --> 00:52:58,227
his testimony in the book of Romans,

1186
00:52:58,227 --> 00:53:03,391
chapter 8, verses 35 and 37 to 39,

1187
00:53:03,391 --> 00:53:06,035
because apparently he didn't say,

1188
00:53:06,035 --> 00:53:07,957
he did not say, hear me carefully,

1189
00:53:07,957 --> 00:53:10,608
"God must not love me

1190
00:53:10,608 --> 00:53:13,006
because I'm suffering here."

1191
00:53:13,006 --> 00:53:15,472
He had a hope, like Rodney mentioned,

1192
00:53:15,472 --> 00:53:18,939
that was beyond his present journey,
right?

1193
00:53:18,939 --> 00:53:20,212
So let's take a look.

1194
00:53:20,212 --> 00:53:21,665
Gladys, could you read for us?

1195
00:53:21,665 --> 00:53:24,543
Romans, chapter 8, let's look at verse 35

1196
00:53:24,543 --> 00:53:26,330
and then 37 to 39.

1197
00:53:26,330 --> 00:53:27,423
(Gladys) I'm reading

1198
00:53:27,423 --> 00:53:29,289
from the New International Version,

1199
00:53:29,289 --> 00:53:31,943
Romans, chapter 8, verse 35,

1200
00:53:31,943 --> 00:53:34,028
and then 37 through 39:

1201
00:54:15,626 --> 00:54:17,398
(Derek) I imagine him getting excited

1202
00:54:17,398 --> 00:54:18,673
as he's saying, "Not this

1203
00:54:18,673 --> 00:54:20,088
or this or this," you know.

1204
00:54:20,088 --> 00:54:21,999
Nothing can separate us,

1205
00:54:21,999 --> 00:54:23,096
and he had experienced

1206
00:54:23,096 --> 00:54:25,109
some of those hardships, hadn't he?

1207
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:28,285
Now, in that same chapter of Romans,

1208
00:54:28,285 --> 00:54:31,690
he tells us a mystery in verse 28.

1209
00:54:31,690 --> 00:54:33,543
Stephanie, could you read that for us?

1210
00:54:33,543 --> 00:54:35,153
It's a mystery, and I want you

1211
00:54:35,153 --> 00:54:37,104
to apply that to what we've learned

1212
00:54:37,104 --> 00:54:38,402
about what the saints

1213
00:54:38,402 --> 00:54:40,898
of the Most High God are going through

1214
00:54:40,898 --> 00:54:43,149
in the prophecy of Daniel 7.

1215
00:54:43,149 --> 00:54:44,657
(Stephanie) and I'll be reading

1216
00:54:44,657 --> 00:54:46,104
from the King James Version,

1217
00:54:46,104 --> 00:54:49,733
Romans 8, verse 28:

1218
00:54:59,868 --> 00:55:01,575
(Derek) So, let's go back, Rick.

1219
00:55:01,575 --> 00:55:02,943
Let's go back; you mentioned

1220
00:55:02,943 --> 00:55:04,170
about Shadrach, Meshach,

1221
00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:05,517
and Abed-Nego, Daniel 3.

1222
00:55:05,517 --> 00:55:07,136
What good did God bring

1223
00:55:07,136 --> 00:55:09,692
out of that bad situation?

1224
00:55:09,692 --> 00:55:12,098
What's the first obvious thing He did?

1225
00:55:12,098 --> 00:55:13,565
(Rick) The first obvious thing

1226
00:55:13,565 --> 00:55:16,564
is He showed up in their persecution,
in their challenge,

1227
00:55:16,564 --> 00:55:18,731
and I love that point.

1228
00:55:18,731 --> 00:55:20,456
But then, of course, He's a witness.

1229
00:55:20,456 --> 00:55:22,682
I mean, He used these people

1230
00:55:22,682 --> 00:55:24,394
being persecuted to be a witness,

1231
00:55:24,394 --> 00:55:26,339
and others were converted.

1232
00:55:26,339 --> 00:55:29,070
(Derek) We know at least one,

1233
00:55:29,070 --> 00:55:31,002
King Nebuchadnezzar.

1234
00:55:31,002 --> 00:55:32,829
It took a little while and seven years

1235
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:35,954
crawling around in the field, but yes.

1236
00:55:35,954 --> 00:55:37,775
So God worked good

1237
00:55:37,775 --> 00:55:40,033
out of that situation.

1238
00:55:40,033 --> 00:55:41,890
Can you think of any other narratives

1239
00:55:41,890 --> 00:55:45,409
where a person's persecution

1240
00:55:45,409 --> 00:55:46,923
led to something good,

1241
00:55:46,923 --> 00:55:49,426
even though what happened
wasn't good? Brittany?

1242
00:55:49,426 --> 00:55:51,407
(Brittany) I think of Stephen
being stoned

1243
00:55:51,407 --> 00:55:53,956
and how Saul, who then became Paul,

1244
00:55:53,956 --> 00:55:55,014
later was converted,

1245
00:55:55,014 --> 00:55:56,299
and I believe it was partly

1246
00:55:56,299 --> 00:55:59,240
because of Stephen's testimony
and his witness.

1247
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:00,367
(Derek) I have no doubt

1248
00:56:00,367 --> 00:56:02,829
it was a key part of that, wasn't it?

1249
00:56:02,829 --> 00:56:04,742
Because one of the last things

1250
00:56:04,742 --> 00:56:05,962
that Stephen says is,

1251
00:56:05,962 --> 00:56:09,442
"Do not lay this sin against them,"

1252
00:56:09,442 --> 00:56:10,933
or to their charge, right?

1253
00:56:10,933 --> 00:56:12,299
So he was like Jesus saying,

1254
00:56:12,299 --> 00:56:14,328
"Father forgive them;

1255
00:56:14,328 --> 00:56:16,360
they don't know what they do."
Yes, Travis?

1256
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,352
(Travis) I think of the story of Jonah.

1257
00:56:18,352 --> 00:56:19,885
Jonah gets thrown off the ship,

1258
00:56:19,885 --> 00:56:21,124
the seas calm down,

1259
00:56:21,124 --> 00:56:23,772
and whole ship becomes converted.

1260
00:56:23,772 --> 00:56:26,917
God just can work through troubles...

1261
00:56:26,917 --> 00:56:28,937
(Derek) We hope the ship was converted.

1262
00:56:28,937 --> 00:56:30,664
But maybe some were; we don't know.

1263
00:56:30,664 --> 00:56:32,469
They certainly saw the power of God

1264
00:56:32,469 --> 00:56:34,503
working in difficult situations.

1265
00:56:34,503 --> 00:56:35,622
I want to talk to you,

1266
00:56:35,622 --> 00:56:37,063
Hope Sabbath School family.

1267
00:56:37,063 --> 00:56:38,325
Maybe you're going through

1268
00:56:38,325 --> 00:56:40,776
a time of persecution,

1269
00:56:40,776 --> 00:56:43,937
not just difficult but <i>persecution.</i>

1270
00:56:43,937 --> 00:56:45,973
And I want to assure you

1271
00:56:45,973 --> 00:56:48,439
from the book of Daniel, chapter 7,

1272
00:56:48,439 --> 00:56:52,881
that God is with you in this time.

1273
00:56:52,881 --> 00:56:55,413
In fact, He not only wants to save you

1274
00:56:55,413 --> 00:56:57,453
that you may inherit His Kingdom,

1275
00:56:57,453 --> 00:56:59,633
He wants to work good even in the midst

1276
00:56:59,633 --> 00:57:01,224
of this bad situation.

1277
00:57:01,224 --> 00:57:03,303
Isn't He a great and awesome God?

1278
00:57:03,303 --> 00:57:04,445
And we have discovered

1279
00:57:04,445 --> 00:57:06,392
that He's calling all,

1280
00:57:06,392 --> 00:57:08,968
even those who maybe have found themselves

1281
00:57:08,968 --> 00:57:10,576
in systems that have

1282
00:57:10,576 --> 00:57:11,918
taken a stance against God.

1283
00:57:11,918 --> 00:57:13,323
He's calling us all

1284
00:57:13,323 --> 00:57:15,805
to accept His salvation and to be ready

1285
00:57:15,805 --> 00:57:17,840
for that glorious appearing

1286
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,163
of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

1287
00:57:20,163 --> 00:57:23,132
Let's pray that we can experience

1288
00:57:23,132 --> 00:57:24,973
that salvation even today.

1289
00:57:24,973 --> 00:57:27,400
Father in Heaven, thank You

1290
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,089
for the powerful prophecy

1291
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:30,508
in Daniel, chapter 7,

1292
00:57:30,508 --> 00:57:32,522
and the assurance that You

1293
00:57:32,522 --> 00:57:34,065
work out Your purpose

1294
00:57:34,065 --> 00:57:35,943
to call all to salvation,

1295
00:57:35,943 --> 00:57:38,344
desiring that everyone would accept.

1296
00:57:38,344 --> 00:57:40,111
We know not everyone will,

1297
00:57:40,111 --> 00:57:41,812
but thank You that we had

1298
00:57:41,812 --> 00:57:43,059
a choice to accept,

1299
00:57:43,059 --> 00:57:45,491
and others will have a choice as well,

1300
00:57:45,491 --> 00:57:47,371
even from the message today.

1301
00:57:47,371 --> 00:57:49,135
In Jesus' name. Amen.

1302
00:57:49,135 --> 00:57:49,999
(Team) Amen.

1303
00:57:49,999 --> 00:57:51,397
(Derek) Thanks for joining us

1304
00:57:51,397 --> 00:57:52,734
for Hope Sabbath School.

1305
00:57:52,734 --> 00:57:54,334
Someone needs to hear about a God

1306
00:57:54,334 --> 00:57:56,288
who loves them with an everlasting love,

1307
00:57:56,288 --> 00:57:58,774
so go out and share that good news

1308
00:57:58,774 --> 00:57:59,953
with those around you.

1309
00:57:59,953 --> 00:58:27,988
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