WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:18.100 35C3 preroll music 00:00:18.100 --> 00:00:22.690 Herald Angel: The next talk will be given by Régine Debatty and she will be talking 00:00:22.690 --> 00:00:31.510 about the goods the strange and the ugly in art and science technology in 2018. Big 00:00:31.510 --> 00:00:34.397 applause to Régine 00:00:34.397 --> 00:00:36.117 Applause 00:00:36.117 --> 00:00:41.070 Sound from video 00:00:41.070 --> 00:00:47.610 Régine: This was not supposed to happen, I am sorry. Hello everyone. So my 00:00:47.610 --> 00:00:55.371 name is Régine Debatty. I'm an art critic and blogger. Since 2004 I've been writing 00:00:55.371 --> 00:01:00.470 "we make money not art" which is a blog that looks at the way artists, designers 00:01:00.470 --> 00:01:06.720 and hackers are using science and technology in a critical and socially 00:01:06.720 --> 00:01:15.140 engaged way. So a few weeks ago some of the organizers of the Congress e-mailed me 00:01:15.140 --> 00:01:20.540 and they asked me if I could give a kind of overview of the most exciting and 00:01:20.540 --> 00:01:27.770 interesting works in art and technology in 2018. And on Monday when I started working 00:01:27.770 --> 00:01:33.520 on my slides I was really on a mission to deliver and then we had the intention 00:01:33.520 --> 00:01:40.810 to give an overview of the best of art and tech in 2018. But somehow things got 00:01:40.810 --> 00:01:46.440 out of hand. I started inserting words that are a bit older and also I could see 00:01:46.440 --> 00:01:52.830 a kind of narrative that emerged. So the result is going to be a 00:01:52.830 --> 00:01:58.500 presentation where I will still show some of the works I found very interesting over 00:01:58.500 --> 00:02:04.120 this past year. But they're going to be embedded into a broader narrative. And this 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:09.709 narrative is going to look at the way artists nowadays are using science and 00:02:09.709 --> 00:02:16.110 technology to really explore and expand the boundaries and the limits of the human 00:02:16.110 --> 00:02:23.090 body. But also they use science and technology to challenge intelligence or at least the 00:02:23.090 --> 00:02:31.410 understanding we have of human intelligence. So Exhibit 1 it's "Face 00:02:31.410 --> 00:02:37.650 Detected". It's actually I wouldn't say it was one of my favorites work from 2018 00:02:37.650 --> 00:02:42.350 but it's definitely by one of my favorite artists. So that's why it's in 00:02:42.350 --> 00:02:48.280 there. So the setting is quite easy to understand. Thérise Deporter, that's the name of the artist 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:53.420 had a solo show a couple of months ago at the New Art Space in Andover and 00:02:53.420 --> 00:03:01.550 install these blocks of clay on tables and then invited artists sculpters 00:03:01.550 --> 00:03:08.260 to come and do portraits of people and start shaping their head. And of course 00:03:08.260 --> 00:03:13.900 you know the process was followed by the audience but it was also 00:03:13.900 --> 00:03:20.850 followed by face recognition software. And as soon as the software had detected a 00:03:20.850 --> 00:03:27.970 face in the sculpture the Artist would receive a message that say: Stop, we 00:03:27.970 --> 00:03:32.951 have detected a human face. And what is interesting is that 00:03:32.951 --> 00:03:34.781 laughter 00:03:34.781 --> 00:03:40.151 there are several - I mean, there's worse - 00:03:40.151 --> 00:03:44.660 According to the face recognition system 00:03:44.660 --> 00:03:48.370 - because they work with different parameters and they've been programmed by 00:03:48.370 --> 00:03:54.060 different programmers so they don't necessarily - they're not as fast as, some 00:03:54.060 --> 00:03:58.440 are faster than others to recognize a face, some have different parameters than 00:03:58.440 --> 00:04:05.290 others. So that's why the results are always so different. But the reason why I 00:04:05.290 --> 00:04:10.460 found this project worth mentioning is because it shows the increasingly big 00:04:10.460 --> 00:04:15.370 space that is called artificial intelligence. You can call it algorithm, 00:04:15.370 --> 00:04:24.990 big data or software. It shows the increasingly big role that systems and 00:04:24.990 --> 00:04:31.180 machines are taking into culture and the place they're taking into spheres that 00:04:31.180 --> 00:04:36.770 until not so long ago we thought were really the apanage and exclusivity of 00:04:36.770 --> 00:04:43.880 humans. So for example creativity, innovation, imagination and art. And 00:04:43.880 --> 00:04:47.800 nowadays pretty banal I mean no one is going to be surprised if you're listening 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:52.090 to music and someone tells you: Oh it's the music that's being composed 00:04:52.090 --> 00:04:57.399 actually by an algorithm or this is a poem or a book that's been written 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:02.250 by a machine. I mean it's becoming almost mainstream. And this is happening 00:05:02.250 --> 00:05:09.739 also in the world of visual art. And we've had a few examples this year. If you look 00:05:09.739 --> 00:05:15.159 at the newspaper like if a mainstream newspaper or we had regularly news 00:05:15.159 --> 00:05:20.720 saying oh this algorithmic has made this masterpiece. And one of the most recent 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:27.570 example was this stunning portrait of a gentleman that made the headlines because 00:05:27.570 --> 00:05:34.310 it was the first portrait that was made by an algorithm that was sold at Christie's 00:05:34.310 --> 00:05:40.080 And Christie's is a famous auction house. And it also made the headlines not only 00:05:40.080 --> 00:05:44.979 because he was the first one but it sold for a surprisingly high price like 00:05:44.979 --> 00:05:49.479 something like forty times the original estimate. This painting made by an 00:05:49.479 --> 00:05:55.470 algorithm created by a Paris based collective. So it sold for almost half a 00:05:55.470 --> 00:06:03.520 million dollar. And if I have to be honest with you I cannot think of any work that's 00:06:03.520 --> 00:06:10.499 been mostly done by an algorithm that have really impressed me and move me. But it 00:06:10.499 --> 00:06:16.529 seems that I am in the minority because you might have heard of this. These 00:06:16.529 --> 00:06:24.990 scientific experiments where computer scientists at Rutgers University in USA. 00:06:24.990 --> 00:06:31.679 They made this program that could replicate just make and invent abstract 00:06:31.679 --> 00:06:38.340 paintings. And then they asked people like human beings to have a look at the 00:06:38.340 --> 00:06:43.710 paintings made by the computer. But they mixed it, like I said they were showing 00:06:43.710 --> 00:06:48.839 to people they mix it with paintings that had really been done by human beings that 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:55.039 had been exhibited at the famous art fair Art Basel. And they asked them how they react 00:06:55.039 --> 00:07:00.250 and which one according to them had been done by a human. And it turned out 00:07:00.250 --> 00:07:04.849 that people responded fairly well to the paintings that had been done by this 00:07:04.849 --> 00:07:10.740 computer system. They tended to prefer them. They found them this odd. They 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:16.479 described them as being more communicative and more inspiring. So you know maybe one day 00:07:16.479 --> 00:07:22.729 I will be impressed but so far I would say I would not be worried if I were an 00:07:22.729 --> 00:07:26.999 artist. I'm not going to say to artists or you know very soon machines are going to 00:07:26.999 --> 00:07:30.960 take your job. Well maybe if you make that kind of painting yeah maybe you should be 00:07:30.960 --> 00:07:37.960 worried. But the kind of artist I'm interested in. I really don't like it. 00:07:37.960 --> 00:07:45.819 Artists I'm interested in. I really trust them to keep on challenging computer 00:07:45.819 --> 00:07:51.289 system. I trust them to explore and collaborate with them and use them to 00:07:51.289 --> 00:07:58.139 expand their artistic range. And most of all I trust them to keep on sabotaging 00:07:58.139 --> 00:08:04.509 and hacking and subverting these computer systems. And so yeah I'm not worried at 00:08:04.509 --> 00:08:10.639 all for artists but maybe I should be worried for art critic. Because a few years 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:17.050 ago so it's 2006 and even in the artificial intelligence time it's really 00:08:17.050 --> 00:08:26.120 really old. So in 2006 at the Palais de Tokyo in Paris an artist was showing a program 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:32.690 that was generated automatically. Text written by art critique and I'm sorry but 00:08:32.690 --> 00:08:37.490 the example is in French. But if you read French. And if you use the kind of 00:08:37.490 --> 00:08:44.860 press releases and "blah" they give you that had been written by art critique. It is 00:08:44.860 --> 00:08:49.779 really the kind of thing they work. It is so incredible you know it's the kind of 00:08:49.779 --> 00:09:00.210 inflated rhetoric and uses of vague terms and also constantly referencing some fancy 00:09:00.210 --> 00:09:04.630 French philosopher. So it really really worked. So personally I would be more 00:09:04.630 --> 00:09:12.810 worried for my job than for the job of the artist. Anyway this is another work I 00:09:12.810 --> 00:09:18.070 really like in 2018 and it's one of these work that challenges and play and 00:09:18.070 --> 00:09:25.700 try to subvert artificial intelligence and in particular the so-called intelligent or 00:09:25.700 --> 00:09:33.780 home assistance which is Alexa or Siri. So you may know the artist is Mediengruppe 00:09:33.780 --> 00:09:40.700 Bitnik. They collaborated with a DJ and electronic music composer called Low Jack 00:09:40.700 --> 00:09:46.420 and they made an album to be played exclusively for Alexa and Siri all this 00:09:46.420 --> 00:09:55.570 kind of devices. And we listen to a track in a moment. And what did the 00:09:55.570 --> 00:10:00.580 music does is, it tries to interact and make Alexa react. So it asked 00:10:00.580 --> 00:10:06.440 questions to Alex. It gives order to Alex or Siri or whatever it's called. And 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:13.510 it's also trying to express and convey and communicate to these devices the kind of 00:10:13.510 --> 00:10:19.450 anxieties and ease and doubts they have the artists have. And some of us have 00:10:19.450 --> 00:10:24.570 around these so-called intelligent home assistant. Whether it's they're frightened 00:10:24.570 --> 00:10:31.060 about the encroachment of privacy and unreliability and the fact that they are 00:10:31.060 --> 00:10:37.120 called smart. So that we kind became of lower guard and implicitly start to trust 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:45.310 them. So I'm going to make you listen to one of the tracks. There are three of them 00:10:45.310 --> 00:10:51.250 - at least they sent me three of them. Played music track: Hello! 00:10:51.250 --> 00:10:56.511 music 00:10:56.511 --> 00:11:04.500 High speed intelligent personal assistance all listening to everything I say. I brought 00:11:04.500 --> 00:11:13.731 you into my home. You scary. Alexa, Prime's new in time is now and all forever. 00:11:13.731 --> 00:11:21.240 music 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:29.560 Alexa, I used to bark commands on you. Now I say "please" and "thank you". Never mess with 00:11:29.560 --> 00:11:38.020 someone who knows your secrets. Siri, there is no way far enough to hide. Ok, 00:11:38.020 --> 00:11:44.640 Google - are you laughing at me? You used to answer that. Now, you disengage. Never 00:11:44.640 --> 00:11:54.320 enough digital street smarts to outsmart Alexa. Alexa? Alexa? Hey, Alexiety, I want 00:11:54.320 --> 00:12:01.280 my control back. I want my home back. Siri, delete my calender. Siri, hold my 00:12:01.280 --> 00:12:08.700 calls. Siri, delete my contacts. Ok, Google, what's the loneliest number? Ok, 00:12:08.700 --> 00:12:16.492 Google, stop! Ok, Google, stop! Ok, Google. Hello! Please, stop. Alexa, help! 00:12:16.492 --> 00:12:24.240 Alexa, disable Uber. Alexa, disable lighting. Alexa, disable Amazon music 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:31.680 unlimited. Alexa, quit! Hey, Siri! Activate airplane mode. If you need me, 00:12:31.680 --> 00:12:40.473 I'll be offline, in the real world. R: And that's it for this one. 00:12:40.473 --> 00:12:43.010 Next track playing 00:12:43.010 --> 00:12:51.830 R: Oh, my god, what is this? That is why...? laughing My boyfriend is 00:12:51.830 --> 00:12:59.810 watching, he's doing to love so much. Yeah, let's be serious with a bit of art 00:12:59.810 --> 00:13:07.080 and tech, shall we? So, there are two reasons why this work is interesting. The 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.290 first one is that you don't really need to have one of these devices at home to have 00:13:11.290 --> 00:13:16.250 fun because it's been actually conceived to be played as loud as 00:13:16.250 --> 00:13:22.890 possible. So, you don't need to have to have one of these devices but you 00:13:22.890 --> 00:13:27.479 can put the music very loud, open the window and hopefully it is going to 00:13:27.479 --> 00:13:33.270 interact with the devices of your neighbors and mess a bit with their 00:13:33.270 --> 00:13:36.830 domesticity. The other thing that is 00:13:36.830 --> 00:13:42.810 interesting is that of course Alexa has been designed to appear as close to a 00:13:42.810 --> 00:13:48.380 human as possible. So each time the record is asking some question the answer going 00:13:48.380 --> 00:13:51.931 to change slightly because it's the way it's been programmed. Then also because 00:13:51.931 --> 00:14:00.175 each time there is an update in the program and so might change. And also as I 00:14:00.175 --> 00:14:05.936 said the artist made this record to communicate their doubts and anxieties 00:14:05.936 --> 00:14:11.499 around this smart system because there's a few problems around these systems. One of 00:14:11.499 --> 00:14:17.100 them is as I'm sure you know it's about surveillance because they come 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:21.930 with corporate systems of surveillance that are embedded into the hardware. And 00:14:21.930 --> 00:14:26.560 the software. And we may not realize it until, you know, sometimes when you open - 00:14:26.560 --> 00:14:31.460 one day we opened the pages of a newspaper and this is a story that appeared on the 00:14:31.460 --> 00:14:39.630 Verge a few days ago and it's the story of a German citizen who e-mailed Amazon and 00:14:39.630 --> 00:14:44.430 say look Amazon I want to know all the data you've collected about me over these 00:14:44.430 --> 00:14:48.220 past few years. And then you received these data except that he received the 00:14:48.220 --> 00:14:54.540 wrong data. He received 1700 Alexa voice recordings but he doesn't have an Alexa. 00:14:54.540 --> 00:15:00.240 These were not his data. So he wrote back to Amazon and says "Oh look I think there 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:07.640 is a problem there". Amazon never answered back. So what did the guy do? He went to a 00:15:07.640 --> 00:15:13.190 German newspaper and the reporters managed to analyze the data. And they managed to 00:15:13.190 --> 00:15:18.650 identify who the original owner of the data was and who his girlfriend is and who 00:15:18.650 --> 00:15:24.620 his circle of friends is. And you know if you couple all the data from Alexa with 00:15:24.620 --> 00:15:28.890 what is already available for everyone to see on Facebook and other forms of social 00:15:28.890 --> 00:15:34.710 media, you get kind of a scary and worrying picture so you understand why artists and 00:15:34.710 --> 00:15:42.380 other people might be worried and anxious around Alexa. And so they're called smart 00:15:42.380 --> 00:15:51.250 or intelligent devices, but sometimes they give us advices that may not be, that I 00:15:51.250 --> 00:15:57.229 would say, judicious and smart, such as the one you might have heard of "Alexa's 00:15:57.229 --> 00:16:05.520 advice to kill your foster parents". And also they don't necessarily react to the 00:16:05.520 --> 00:16:11.290 person they're supposed to obey. So that like almost every month there is a story 00:16:11.290 --> 00:16:16.570 in the newspaper. So this is the story of Rocco the parrot and Rocco really when 00:16:16.570 --> 00:16:23.070 he's alone at home and his owner has left it's singing - it imitates very well. 00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:28.440 There are videos of Rocco imitating the voice of Alexa, it's really kinny. But 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:34.880 he also plays his older like, it doesn't want to but, for example, he added to the 00:16:34.880 --> 00:16:39.990 Amazon shopping basket of its owner broccoli and watermelons and kites and ice 00:16:39.990 --> 00:16:47.460 cream. And there are stories like that all the time in the newspaper, when the TV 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:52.210 presenter talks about, say, "Okay Google something or Alexa do something", and if 00:16:52.210 --> 00:16:58.120 people are watching the TV and Alexa is in the room Alexa is going to perform this 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:09.080 action or order some goods online. So as you see this so-called smart system 00:17:09.080 --> 00:17:14.250 isn't smart enough to differentiate between the actual human being that's in 00:17:14.250 --> 00:17:19.620 the room and that they should obey or they should answer to, and voices that come 00:17:19.620 --> 00:17:24.819 through the radio or the TV or the voices of the pet. So if on the one hand 00:17:24.819 --> 00:17:30.261 intelligent machines can be confused, I have the feeling that also as human being 00:17:30.261 --> 00:17:35.790 we are confused when it comes to, you know, as soon as you throw in the arena 00:17:35.790 --> 00:17:41.250 the words artificial intelligence, most people, not you I'm sure, but most people 00:17:41.250 --> 00:17:48.090 are ready to believe the hype. And a good example of that, I would say, is you know 00:17:48.090 --> 00:17:53.760 we keep reading how in China they have this super sophisticated and highly 00:17:53.760 --> 00:17:59.600 efficient networks of surveillance of CCTV. And how they have face recognition systems 00:17:59.600 --> 00:18:07.230 that are really really high hand and highly sophisticated. So that is the 00:18:07.230 --> 00:18:11.090 theory but the reality is that the technology has limitations and also 00:18:11.090 --> 00:18:17.640 limitations linked to bureaucracy and some of the data in the files I've seen not 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:24.120 been digitalized. So sometimes the work of the police is not aided by sophisticated 00:18:24.120 --> 00:18:28.610 CCTV and their face recognition software, but just consists of going through old 00:18:28.610 --> 00:18:34.780 people files and photos. And yet, maybe that doesn't matter if you know if the 00:18:34.780 --> 00:18:39.640 system is not fully functional, because in the case of surveillance what matters is 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:45.270 that we think that we might at some point be under the gaze of surveillance that 00:18:45.270 --> 00:18:54.720 might be enough to keep us docile and compliant. Also, we are being told that 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:58.150 very soon we just have to wait for them to be launched on the market. We're going to 00:18:58.150 --> 00:19:02.890 have some fantastic autonomous car that's going to drive us seamlessly from one part 00:19:02.890 --> 00:19:10.140 of the town to the other one. And in reality, we are still training them, you 00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:16.730 and I, when we get these pop up images and we are asked by the system to identify all 00:19:16.730 --> 00:19:21.110 the squares where there is a shop window, where there is a traffic sign or where 00:19:21.110 --> 00:19:27.140 there is another vehicle. Where I want to go with this is that there is still a lot 00:19:27.140 --> 00:19:32.490 of human beings, a lot of human clocks behind the machines, because artificial 00:19:32.490 --> 00:19:38.360 intelligence is nothing without data, and data is pretty useless if it's not been 00:19:38.360 --> 00:19:44.330 targged. And so you see the emergence of data tagging factory in China and it's 00:19:44.330 --> 00:19:49.270 actually the new faces of outsourcing in China, where you have people who spend the 00:19:49.270 --> 00:19:55.540 whole day behind computer screen adding dots and descriptions to images and 00:19:55.540 --> 00:20:02.559 photo. And so artificial intelligence that was supposed to, you know, free us from 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:10.482 very monotonous, mind-numbing and boring work is still generating for us a lot of 00:20:10.482 --> 00:20:16.760 this boring work. And these invisible people behind artificial intelligence is 00:20:16.760 --> 00:20:22.830 what Amazon, which is Amazon Mechanical Turk, but it's what Amazon call 00:20:22.830 --> 00:20:29.430 artificial intelligence. Some could photo mission, and some of the characteristic of 00:20:29.430 --> 00:20:34.980 this hidden human labor for the digital factory is that it's, one, the 00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:39.790 hyper fragmentation of the work and because it's like the work is divided in 00:20:39.790 --> 00:20:46.080 small chunks, it's loses a lot of his prestige, a lot of its value, so people 00:20:46.080 --> 00:20:50.851 are underpaid and what is a bit frightening is that this kind of work 00:20:50.851 --> 00:20:58.430 culture is actually creeping into the world of creative people and freelancing 00:20:58.430 --> 00:21:03.940 and you have platforms such as this one, called Fiverr where it's also a 00:21:03.940 --> 00:21:08.890 crowdsourcing platform where you can buy the services of a person who is going to 00:21:08.890 --> 00:21:13.570 design for you the logo of your new company, or a birthday card, or a business 00:21:13.570 --> 00:21:20.280 card, or do translation for you or shoot a testimonial for your products and there is 00:21:20.280 --> 00:21:24.840 one example there and someone who advertise that they will design for you two 00:21:24.840 --> 00:21:32.340 magnificent logos in 48 hours. And the price that's it at five dollars, that's 00:21:32.340 --> 00:21:38.850 very low - and the characteristic of this kind of company is this scale of 00:21:38.850 --> 00:21:46.580 crowdsourcing so-called services is that they ruthlessly rely on precarity and 00:21:46.580 --> 00:21:53.809 Fiverr recently had these ads, where they were basically glorifying the idea of 00:21:53.809 --> 00:22:02.820 working yourself to death. And then this. Well I'm going to the third work I really 00:22:02.820 --> 00:22:08.930 like in 2018. It was released a few months ago. It's a work by Michael Mandiberg and 00:22:08.930 --> 00:22:17.040 he wanted to make a portrait of the hidden human being behind the digital factory. 00:22:17.040 --> 00:22:23.920 And to do so he really wanted to recreate or to modernized the iconic film by Charlie 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:30.010 Chaplin. Modern Times. It's a film from 1936 which was you know it was the seventh 00:22:30.010 --> 00:22:34.760 year of the Great Depression. People were struggling, being unemployed, 00:22:34.760 --> 00:22:43.216 starving and having difficulty to get through life. And Michael Mandiberg made an 00:22:43.216 --> 00:22:49.670 update of this film, by... First of all he wrote the code and the code cut the film 00:22:49.670 --> 00:22:55.650 of Charlie Chaplin into very short clips of a few seconds and then Michael 00:22:55.650 --> 00:22:59.966 Mandiberg contacted people. He found people on this platform on 00:22:59.966 --> 00:23:04.880 Fiverr and he asked them, he gave each of them a short clip. And 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:12.250 he asked them to recreate it as well as they could. And that's what they did. 00:23:12.250 --> 00:23:17.620 And Michael Mandiberg, I'm going to show an extract. Yeah you will see, he had no 00:23:17.620 --> 00:23:22.390 obviously no control over the location, he had no control about around the production 00:23:22.390 --> 00:23:31.260 choice. So hopefully I'm going to find the correct video and not a fitness video. 00:23:31.260 --> 00:23:32.910 So here's an extract. 00:23:32.910 --> 00:25:19.836 music plays 00:25:19.836 --> 00:25:29.170 I think you've got the point here. Good. So with this work Michael Mandiberg tried 00:25:29.170 --> 00:25:34.760 to do a kind of portrait of these hidden digital factory and of its human clocks 00:25:34.760 --> 00:25:39.850 But the portrait is done by the freelancers, by the workers themselves and 00:25:39.850 --> 00:25:45.580 you can see the result is kind of messy and chaotic geographically disperse 00:25:45.580 --> 00:25:56.174 and hyper-fragmented. So that it's added characteristic, of the digital factory. So 00:25:56.174 --> 00:26:03.049 carrying on with the world that is hidden, I'd like to speak briefly about social 00:26:03.049 --> 00:26:09.220 media content moderators. Maybe you know this story because imagine that in 00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:15.159 Germany, I was listening to an interview with a woman who had work as a social 00:26:15.159 --> 00:26:23.549 media content moderator for Facebook in Germany and she was explaining what kind 00:26:23.549 --> 00:26:29.150 of work she was doing. It doesn't happen very often that you have testimony, because 00:26:29.150 --> 00:26:33.310 usually the worker have to sign a nondisclosure agreement. But she was 00:26:33.310 --> 00:26:39.640 explaining that, how difficult the work is because every single day, each of the 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:47.030 moderator has to go to 1300 tickets. So 1300 cases of content that have been 00:26:47.030 --> 00:26:52.820 flagged as inappropriate or disturbing, either automatically or by another users. 00:26:52.820 --> 00:26:58.690 So you know that doesn't leave a lot of time to have a thorough analysis. 00:26:58.690 --> 00:27:05.890 And indeed she was explaining that human reflection is absolutely not encouraged and 00:27:05.890 --> 00:27:10.810 that you have all the process of judging, you have only a few seconds to 00:27:10.810 --> 00:27:14.950 judge whether or not the content has to be blocked or you could stay on 00:27:14.950 --> 00:27:19.640 Facebook. And all the process of the reflection is actually reduced to a series 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:25.420 of automatisms. And the interesting part for me was when she was explaining that at 00:27:25.420 --> 00:27:30.170 night she was still dreaming of her work, but where some of her co-workers were dreaming 00:27:30.170 --> 00:27:36.860 of the kind of horrible content they have to moderate, she was explaining how she was 00:27:36.860 --> 00:27:42.920 actually dreaming of doing the same automatic gesture over and over again. And 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:49.309 that's how you realized, that all these big companies, they wish they could replace 00:27:49.309 --> 00:27:54.360 workers by machines, by algorithm, by robots. But some of the tasks 00:27:54.360 --> 00:27:59.020 unfortunately the robots or the algorithm cannot do them yet. So they have 00:27:59.020 --> 00:28:05.900 to rely on human being with all the other unreliability and propension 00:28:05.900 --> 00:28:13.270 to contest and rebell and maybe laziness and all their human defects. So 00:28:13.270 --> 00:28:19.140 the solution they found was to. Sorry? Okay I thought someone had asked me 00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:26.240 something. Where was I? So the solution, yeah solution they found was to reduce 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:31.850 these people to machines and automate their work as much as possible. And so 00:28:31.850 --> 00:28:38.440 that's the work as a Facebook content moderator. And just as is apparent as you 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:44.710 can see how their work ambience and environment is different from the fancy 00:28:44.710 --> 00:28:50.890 and glamorous image we see in architecture magazine, each time one of these big media 00:28:50.890 --> 00:28:55.970 companies will open up headquarters somewhere in the world. But anyway to come 00:28:55.970 --> 00:29:00.960 back to the work of Facebook content moderator I think the way the work is 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:10.920 automated can be compared to the way the work of the employees in Amazon warehouses 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:19.419 are being automated. As you know they have to wear this kind of mini- 00:29:19.419 --> 00:29:25.060 computer on their wrist that identifies them, that tracks them, that give them all 00:29:25.060 --> 00:29:34.020 the... monitor them, measure their productivity in real time. And also like, 00:29:34.020 --> 00:29:40.480 allows Amazon to really remote control them and so they work in a pretty 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:46.940 alienating environment. Sometimes popup online pretend that Amazon they feel this 00:29:46.940 --> 00:29:52.540 one is particularly creepy, because they were thinking of having, of, you know, 00:29:52.540 --> 00:29:58.500 making this wrist computer even more sophisticated and using haptic 00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:02.830 feedback so that they could direct and remote control even more precisely the 00:30:02.830 --> 00:30:10.580 hands of the worker. So you see there is this big push towards in certain contexts 00:30:10.580 --> 00:30:15.419 towards turning humans into robots. And you know we're always mentioning Amazon, 00:30:15.419 --> 00:30:22.160 but this is the kind of work culture that is being adopted elsewhere in France, but 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:28.840 also in other European countries. There are services such as the Auchan Drive. So 00:30:28.840 --> 00:30:32.280 if you're a customer and you don't want to go to the supermarket to do your 00:30:32.280 --> 00:30:36.960 groceries, you do your groceries online and 10 minutes later you arrive on the 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:42.530 parking lot of your supermarket and someone will be there with your grocery 00:30:42.530 --> 00:30:49.100 bags ready. And I was listening to testimonies by people who used to work 00:30:49.100 --> 00:30:53.940 at Auchan Drive and as you can see they wear all the same microcomputer 00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:59.140 that is also monitoring precisely all their movement. And the thing that I found 00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:03.390 most disturbing was when they were explaining, that they don't, when they get 00:31:03.390 --> 00:31:08.220 the list of of items they have to pick up, they don't get you know a list that say 00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:13.660 you have to take three bananas and two packs of soy milk. No they just get 00:31:13.660 --> 00:31:20.000 numbers that say good to this alley another number that say this is 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.780 the shelf where you have to take the item and the number corresponding to the 00:31:24.780 --> 00:31:29.530 precise item on the shelf. And they also they are submitted to very strict rules of 00:31:29.530 --> 00:31:35.929 being as fast as possible and I shouldn't laugh, but they were explaining the kind 00:31:35.929 --> 00:31:41.390 of if they rebelled the kind of vengeance their boss would have. And if they are 00:31:41.390 --> 00:31:45.790 particularly rebellious, they send them into frozen food so they spend the day in 00:31:45.790 --> 00:31:54.580 the cold. And I'd like to have a sharp look with you at people who also want to 00:31:54.580 --> 00:31:59.330 be closer to machines and robots. But according to their own terms and they want 00:31:59.330 --> 00:32:05.540 to have total control over it and it's something they do voluntarily and it's the 00:32:05.540 --> 00:32:10.610 community of so-called grinders. So these people who don't hesitate to slice open 00:32:10.610 --> 00:32:15.940 their body to put, insert chips and devices and magnets, into it to either 00:32:15.940 --> 00:32:22.150 facilitate their life or expand their range of perception. And actually the 00:32:22.150 --> 00:32:27.919 first time I heard about about them was at the Chaos Communication Congress back a 00:32:27.919 --> 00:32:36.950 long time ago in 2006 when a journalist Quinn Norton had installed a magnet under 00:32:36.950 --> 00:32:41.750 her fingers and she could sense the electromagnetic fields. I found that very 00:32:41.750 --> 00:32:47.950 fascinating. But as you can see the aestetic is, it's pretty rough and gritty. 00:32:47.950 --> 00:32:52.670 It's very, it's a vision of a world to come and of a communion with the machine 00:32:52.670 --> 00:32:58.789 that is completely aesthetically it's very different from the one that you saw by the 00:32:58.789 --> 00:33:04.290 Silicon Valley. But I find it equally fascinating how they take control of the 00:33:04.290 --> 00:33:12.580 way they want technology to be closer to technology. Yes. So in the third part of 00:33:12.580 --> 00:33:17.390 my talk, the first part was about this confusion we have between the intelligence 00:33:17.390 --> 00:33:22.910 of machine and human intelligence. The second part was about the robotisation of 00:33:22.910 --> 00:33:28.059 the human body. And the third and last part I would like to have a look 00:33:28.059 --> 00:33:35.560 and I don't know the type of hybridisation of bodies, but this time not between the human body 00:33:35.560 --> 00:33:44.470 and the machine, but human body and other animal species. So we may have actually 00:33:44.470 --> 00:33:51.000 been tinkering with their bodies for decades since the 60s when they started 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:58.740 taking the contraceptive pills and also people going through want to change 00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:04.450 gender, they also tinker with their body and the first transgender celebrity I 00:34:04.450 --> 00:34:11.099 recently found out was George Jorgensen Jr. who started his adult life as a G.I. 00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:18.099 during World War 2 and ended his life as a female entertainer in the US. And while 00:34:18.099 --> 00:34:22.089 assembling the slides I could not resist adding this one because I saw it a couple 00:34:22.089 --> 00:34:28.119 of weeks ago in an exhibition - the World Press Photo Exhibition. And it's a photo 00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:34.080 that was taken in Taiwan and Taiwan is actually, it is a major on of the top 00:34:34.080 --> 00:34:38.630 tourist destination for medicine. People fly to Taiwan because you get, you can get 00:34:38.630 --> 00:34:47.300 very good health care and and pretty affordable surgery. And one of the hot 00:34:47.300 --> 00:34:53.680 niche in surgery for this kind of tourist is actually gender reassignment surgery. 00:34:53.680 --> 00:35:01.390 So in this photo you have, the operation is finished and the surgeon is showing to 00:35:01.390 --> 00:35:10.820 the patient her new vagina. And before undergoing this surgery the 00:35:10.820 --> 00:35:16.119 patient of course had to go through a course of... had to take hormones and 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:22.210 series of hormones and one of them is estrogen and estrogen is the primarily 00:35:22.210 --> 00:35:28.670 sex female hormone, it's the hormone responsible for the feminization of the 00:35:28.670 --> 00:35:36.600 body and also sometimes of the emotion. And, if you are a guy in the room you're 00:35:36.600 --> 00:35:39.680 probably thinking, well I'm going to leave the room because I don't care about 00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:43.440 estrogen. What does it have to do with me? And I'm going to spend the next few 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.260 minutes trying to convince you that you should you should care about estrogen. 00:35:47.260 --> 00:35:53.160 Because even fish care about estrogen it turns out. At least the biologist. You 00:35:53.160 --> 00:35:57.380 might have heard a few years ago that biology started to get very worrying 00:35:57.380 --> 00:36:04.160 because they discovered that some fish population, especially the male ones, were 00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:11.110 getting feminized that their sexual organs were both sometimes male and female and 00:36:11.110 --> 00:36:16.080 they were worried about it and they discovered that it was the result of 00:36:16.080 --> 00:36:21.500 contact with xenoestrogen. And xenoestrogen, everywhere in the 00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:27.619 environment, and they affect not only fish but all animal species including human 00:36:27.619 --> 00:36:32.340 species. So when I say that they are everywhere in the environment, it's really 00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:41.410 everywhere - only 10 minutes - They are very often the result of industrial 00:36:41.410 --> 00:36:46.430 process so for example you can find them in recycled plastic, in lacquers, in beauty 00:36:46.430 --> 00:36:54.050 products, in products you use to clean the house, in wheat killers, insecticides, in 00:36:54.050 --> 00:36:58.020 PVC, they are pretty much everywhere. Sometimes they are released by 00:36:58.020 --> 00:37:04.490 industries into the watersteam and I wanted to show you again abstract art. 00:37:04.490 --> 00:37:08.410 It's a work by Juliette Bonneviot, and she was really interested in these 00:37:08.410 --> 00:37:12.750 xenoestrogens. So she looked around her in the environment where they were present 00:37:12.750 --> 00:37:19.400 then and she took all these, some of these xenoestrogen sources I've just mentioned 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:24.910 and she separated them according to colors and then she crush them and turn them into 00:37:24.910 --> 00:37:31.080 powder. They then mixed them with PVC and silicone which also contain xenoestrogens 00:37:31.080 --> 00:37:36.400 and then pulled them onto canvas and then you have this kind of portrait of the 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:43.670 silent colonizing chemicals that is modifying our body and the kind of things 00:37:43.670 --> 00:37:48.150 they can do to the human body have already been observed. So they're linked to higher 00:37:48.150 --> 00:37:56.200 cases of cancer for both men and women, lowering of IQ, problems in fertility, 00:37:56.200 --> 00:38:05.280 early onset of puberty, etc. So we should really be more vigilant around 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:13.800 xenoestrogen and in the next few minutes I'd like to mention briefly two projects 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:20.940 where women artist exploring how their hormones, more general their female 00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:29.690 body can be used to have other kinds of relationships with non-human animals. 00:38:29.690 --> 00:38:35.900 So the first is a project by Ai Hasegawa, she was in her early 30s and she had that 00:38:35.900 --> 00:38:41.140 dilemma. She thought maybe, maybe it's time to have a child but do I really want 00:38:41.140 --> 00:38:46.530 to have a child because it's a lot of responsibility and there is already 00:38:46.530 --> 00:38:50.540 overpopulation. But on the other hand if I don't have a child it means that all these 00:38:50.540 --> 00:38:55.500 painful periods would have been there in vain. She was also faced with another 00:38:55.500 --> 00:39:01.280 dilemma, is that she really likes to eat endangered species and in particular 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:07.400 dolphin and shark and whales and so on the one hand she liked eating them. And on the 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:13.280 other hand she realized that she was contributing to their disappearance and 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:18.360 the fact that their extinct. So she found this solution, and this is a speculative 00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:24.190 project, but she saw it as a solution maybe she could give birth to an 00:39:24.190 --> 00:39:28.660 endangered species, So maybe she could become the surrogate mother of a dolphin. 00:39:28.660 --> 00:39:36.820 So using her belly as a kind of incubator for another animal and to do this she 00:39:36.820 --> 00:39:41.520 consulted with an expert in synthetic biology and an expert in obstetric who 00:39:41.520 --> 00:39:48.830 told her that technically it's possible, that she would just have to resort to 00:39:48.830 --> 00:39:55.180 synthetic biology to modify the placenta of the baby. She would not have to modify 00:39:55.180 --> 00:39:59.680 our own body but she just had to modify the placenta of the baby to be sure 00:39:59.680 --> 00:40:04.750 that all the nutrients and the hormones and the oxygen and everything is 00:40:04.750 --> 00:40:08.660 communicated between the mother and the baby except the antibodies because they 00:40:08.660 --> 00:40:13.490 could damage the body. So in a scenario, even if everything goes well, she gives 00:40:13.490 --> 00:40:20.800 birth will lovely healthy baby Maui dolphin. And she gives it the 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:27.609 antibodies through fat milk containing these antibodies and she see grow. And 00:40:27.609 --> 00:40:32.760 once it's an adult he could be released with a chip and under its skin. And then 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:38.110 when once it's fished she can buy it and eat it and have it again inside her own 00:40:38.110 --> 00:40:44.470 body. Well, when I first heard about the project, I can tell you I was not 00:40:44.470 --> 00:40:48.390 laughing. I said it was really really revolting. But the more I thought about, 00:40:48.390 --> 00:40:54.820 it the smarter I saw this project was, because I understand it doesn't sadly make 00:40:54.820 --> 00:40:59.410 a lot of sense to give birth to yet another human being that is going to put 00:40:59.410 --> 00:41:04.790 strain on this planet. So why not dedicate your reproductive system to the 00:41:04.790 --> 00:41:11.620 environment and use it to help save endanger species. And I have five minutes 00:41:11.620 --> 00:41:17.859 left so I have to make some really really drastic choices. I wanted to talk about 00:41:17.859 --> 00:41:24.010 Maja Smrekar. I'm going to do it. So she had a series of projects, where she is 00:41:24.010 --> 00:41:31.040 exploring the core evolution of dogs and human and to make it very very brief. One 00:41:31.040 --> 00:41:36.630 of her performances consisted in spending four months in a flat in Berlin with her 00:41:36.630 --> 00:41:41.540 two dogs. One of them is an adult Byron and the other one is a puppy called Ada. 00:41:41.540 --> 00:41:46.510 And she tricked her body by some physiological training and also by eating 00:41:46.510 --> 00:41:52.820 certain food and using a breast pump. She treats her body to stimulate the hormone 00:41:52.820 --> 00:41:56.869 that make the body of a woman lactate, even if she wasn't pregnant, so that she 00:41:56.869 --> 00:42:03.410 could breastfeed her puppy. And these two projects I saw, were really are really 00:42:03.410 --> 00:42:08.859 interesting, because it shows the power of the female body. It shows that what 00:42:08.859 --> 00:42:14.140 prevents women from having this kind of transgender motherhood isn't is that 00:42:14.140 --> 00:42:19.960 technology. It's just it's just society and the kind of limits that our culture is 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:26.720 bringing on what woman can or should do with her body. And I also like this 00:42:26.720 --> 00:42:32.190 project, because the kind of question our anthropocentrism and our tendency to think 00:42:32.190 --> 00:42:37.859 that all the resources of the world are made for us and not for other living creatures. 00:42:37.859 --> 00:42:43.470 So just as a parent this if you're interested in estrogen and xenoestrogen 00:42:43.470 --> 00:42:49.860 I would recommend that you have a look at the talk that Mary Maggic give last 00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:56.020 year had the Chaos Communication Congress where she was talking about estrogen and 00:42:56.020 --> 00:43:01.900 then linked the history and links to her work as a biohacker. So now my 00:43:01.900 --> 00:43:06.480 conclusion... maybe you're already wondering why is she talking to us about artificial 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:12.965 intelligence and transspecies motherhood? What does it have to do with each other? I 00:43:12.965 --> 00:43:19.349 would say a lot! Because we have the feeling that the digital world sometimes 00:43:19.349 --> 00:43:24.490 we tend to forget that behind it there is a material world that to have 00:43:24.490 --> 00:43:29.210 artificial intelligence. You need the infrastructure, you need the devices, 00:43:29.210 --> 00:43:35.109 you need the server farm, you need spaces to manage these data. Physical spaces. 00:43:35.109 --> 00:43:40.540 And I would say it's a bit like the human brain. The human brain is kind in dimensions 00:43:40.540 --> 00:43:47.040 pretty small, but apparently it's it eats up a fifth of all the energy that our body 00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:53.560 consume. And so that means that artificial intelligence is, it needs like a very 00:43:53.560 --> 00:43:59.810 heavy infrastructure, energy, hungry, server farms and I'm sure you've seen all 00:43:59.810 --> 00:44:04.816 the PR stunts and the press releases of Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. promising 00:44:04.816 --> 00:44:09.450 you that they're transitioning that they're going to use green energy, but the 00:44:09.450 --> 00:44:16.241 energy is not still green and they're still using a lot of fossil fuel to pull out. 00:44:16.241 --> 00:44:22.210 Their server farms to make the devices that we use. We still need minerals that 00:44:22.210 --> 00:44:25.930 have to be dug up from the ground, sometimes in really horrible conditions. 00:44:25.930 --> 00:44:31.400 This is the coltan mine in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The minerals we 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:36.890 use, well, they are not infinite and, unless and it's not for tomorrow, unless we 00:44:36.890 --> 00:44:42.210 go and get these minerals in the asteroid or in the deep sea. We are going to get 00:44:42.210 --> 00:44:47.109 into trouble very very fast and I don't have the time for this one. But trust me 00:44:47.109 --> 00:44:52.849 the resources are not infinite. And then, refind them and produce them. That's very 00:44:52.849 --> 00:44:59.900 very damaging for the environment. Yes. So I have the feeling sometimes that we are a 00:44:59.900 --> 00:45:06.750 bit like the golfers in this image, that when I go to some, not all of them, but 00:45:06.750 --> 00:45:12.050 some tech conference or art and tech conferences, I have the feeling that we 00:45:12.050 --> 00:45:17.190 are kind of complacent and that we have our vision of the future may be a bit 00:45:17.190 --> 00:45:21.710 narrow minded and maybe that's normal. I guess it's like, if you go to 00:45:21.710 --> 00:45:25.800 someone who's working as a fancy job at Silicon Valley and you ask him: "What's 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.800 your vision of tomorrow? What's your vision of the future?" And then you ask 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.060 the same question to someone else, for example is an activist for Greenpeace. Then 00:45:34.060 --> 00:45:39.280 we have a completely different perspective, a very different answer of 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:47.380 what the future might be. So sometimes I'm wondering also, if we are not too obsessed 00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:51.765 with the technology and to obsess with what I would call a techno feats. This 00:45:51.765 --> 00:45:57.450 tendency we have to see a problem and to think, if we throw more technology on top 00:45:57.450 --> 00:46:01.870 of it we are going to solve it. Even if the problem has been created in the first 00:46:01.870 --> 00:46:06.460 place by technology. So, that's why we get extremely excited and I do get excited 00:46:06.460 --> 00:46:11.073 about the perspective that when they maybe will get a baby mammoth that will be 00:46:11.073 --> 00:46:17.140 resurrected. And at the same time we don't take care of the species that are 00:46:17.140 --> 00:46:21.790 getting instincts, you know every single day every 24 hours. There are something 00:46:21.790 --> 00:46:28.210 like between 150 and 200 types of plants, animals, insects that get disappeared and 00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:34.470 we'll never see again. Every single day they disappear around the world. And yet 00:46:34.470 --> 00:46:38.070 we still get excited about the idea of resurrecting the baby mammoth, the 00:46:38.070 --> 00:46:44.530 passenger pigeon or dodo, we still create and breed creature, so that we can exploit 00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:50.060 them even better. Should we be looking forward to a lab grown meat that is 00:46:50.060 --> 00:46:55.900 promised. I mean we are told that is going to be cruelty-free and guilt-free, where it 00:46:55.900 --> 00:47:02.320 has in reality they are not totally guilt- free and cruelty-free. And I don't think so that 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.490 they are the best solution to solved the horrible impact that the meat industry is 00:47:07.490 --> 00:47:12.790 having on the environment, on our health and on the well-being of animals. I mean 00:47:12.790 --> 00:47:17.940 there is a solution. It's not the sexy one. It's not a tricky one. It's to 00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:25.020 adapt to plain plant based diet and I managed to do a bit of vegan propaganda 00:47:25.020 --> 00:47:34.090 here. Should we get excited, because there are few vegan in the room. Should we get 00:47:34.090 --> 00:47:42.800 excited, because someone in Japan has made some tiny drones with, on top of it, it's 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:47.580 horse hair that they're used to pollinate flowers, because everywhere around the 00:47:47.580 --> 00:47:54.200 world the population of bees is collapsing and that is very bad for our food system. 00:47:54.200 --> 00:48:01.250 So should we, should we use geo engineering to solve our climate trouble. 00:48:01.250 --> 00:48:06.260 And at the end with these slides of what this for me ours, I see you know the 00:48:06.260 --> 00:48:12.329 service, which is for me the really the embodiment of techno feats. So, you 00:48:12.329 --> 00:48:20.460 probably know that California has gone through some very bad period of dry 00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:25.560 weather, so rich people wake up and they see that the grass on their magnificent 00:48:25.560 --> 00:48:30.140 lawn is yellow instead of being green. So, now in California you have services where 00:48:30.140 --> 00:48:34.109 you can call someone and they will just, you know, fix the problem by painting the 00:48:34.109 --> 00:48:39.450 grass in green. So there you have it and, you know, fuck you Anthropocene and global 00:48:39.450 --> 00:48:45.868 warming, my lawn is green! 00:48:45.868 --> 00:48:52.650 applause 00:48:52.650 --> 00:48:57.250 Okay so this how this why I wanted to bring all these really contrasting visions 00:48:57.250 --> 00:49:02.109 together because we might have different visions of the future but at some point 00:49:02.109 --> 00:49:08.770 they will have to dialogue because we have only one humanity and one planet. And I'm 00:49:08.770 --> 00:49:15.890 very very bad that at conclusion. So I wrote it down. So the artist whose work 00:49:15.890 --> 00:49:22.670 made in 2018 a truly exciting year for me not the artist will showcase the 00:49:22.670 --> 00:49:28.230 magic and the wonders of science and technology. They are the artists who bring 00:49:28.230 --> 00:49:33.619 to the table realistic complex and sometimes also difficult conversation 00:49:33.619 --> 00:49:39.040 about the future whether it is the future of technology, the future of men, or the 00:49:39.040 --> 00:49:43.830 future of other forms of life and other forms of intelligence. They are the 00:49:43.830 --> 00:49:48.369 artists who try and establish a dialogue between the organic, the digital and the 00:49:48.369 --> 00:49:53.510 mineral because they're all part of our world and we cannot go on pretending that 00:49:53.510 --> 00:49:57.518 they don't affect each other. Thank you so much. 00:49:57.518 --> 00:50:14.617 Applause 00:50:14.617 --> 00:50:20.010 Herald: Thank you Régine for the very interesting times. Bit confusing talk 00:50:20.010 --> 00:50:29.849 about - I'm still thinking about the dolphin part, but anyway. But by the way 00:50:29.849 --> 00:50:34.490 there's this grass painting thing is maybe it's something that I can apply to 00:50:34.490 --> 00:50:39.970 my house. Okay. We have questions at microphone 2, I guess. So let's start 00:50:39.970 --> 00:50:42.970 there. Question: Hi. I have a question on a 00:50:42.970 --> 00:50:48.810 particular part at the beginning you talked about AI in arts and you mentioned 00:50:48.810 --> 00:50:57.429 that there are no AI programs that draw pictures or run texts but have you heard 00:50:57.429 --> 00:51:04.810 about AI developing ideas for say an art installation? 00:51:04.810 --> 00:51:11.570 Régine: Yes as a matter of fact I think tonight... I mean, if you're going to program 00:51:11.570 --> 00:51:17.720 and you may maybe tonight or tomorrow night there is a talk by Maria and 00:51:17.720 --> 00:51:23.960 Nicole. There two artists and I think that the title might be Disnovation 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:28.010 and I think you might like what they present. I don't know what they're 00:51:28.010 --> 00:51:33.150 going to present but what I know is that one of their work... I forget the name... if 00:51:33.150 --> 00:51:38.540 they're in the room that would be fantastic. But they had a project where 00:51:38.540 --> 00:51:45.339 they have a bot. It's on Twitter and it's going through some blogs and newspaper 00:51:45.339 --> 00:51:51.769 about creativity and also about technology and using all these data to 00:51:51.769 --> 00:51:59.839 generate really crazy stupid title for installation . And then the artist 00:51:59.839 --> 00:52:07.339 challenge other artists to take these tweets which are really crazy and make an 00:52:07.339 --> 00:52:14.020 installation out of it. So that's a kind of a tricky way of AI being used 00:52:14.020 --> 00:52:18.390 for installation I'm sure. Like right now I cannot think of about 00:52:18.390 --> 00:52:24.270 anything else but I mean if you want you can write me and when my brain 00:52:24.270 --> 00:52:34.081 is switched on back, probably I'll have other ideas. 00:52:34.081 --> 00:52:42.579 Herald: OK. Any more questions. I don't see any.... Ah, there over there. 00:52:42.579 --> 00:52:48.650 Microphone 4 please. Question: Yeah. I was wondering if, well. 00:52:48.650 --> 00:52:54.310 there's probably more certain that we're developing to more suppose human race 00:52:54.310 --> 00:53:01.369 because we simply have to do to climate change. There are also developments right 00:53:01.369 --> 00:53:08.359 now that when relatively short term we would go to Mars and in a sort of sense do 00:53:08.359 --> 00:53:16.160 we need to do to fight the human race for possible multiple planets and with modern 00:53:16.160 --> 00:53:21.787 human modification. Régine: Okay, I didn't understand the 00:53:21.787 --> 00:53:26.710 question. Herald: So, please repeat. 00:53:26.710 --> 00:53:35.099 Question: So in general we're going to a human... both human race that definitely... 00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:43.010 we're not able to survive on this planet for that long anymore. Really optimistic. 00:53:43.010 --> 00:53:52.750 I am vegan so yay. And we have some new developments going on that we'll 00:53:52.750 --> 00:53:58.110 be able to go to Mars relatively soon. Régine: I don't believe it. Who is going 00:53:58.110 --> 00:54:02.200 to want to go to that planet like seriously, like it's going to be like 00:54:02.200 --> 00:54:07.570 Australia we are going to send prisoners and criminals there. Who wants to be like 00:54:07.570 --> 00:54:15.803 Like come on. Yeah. Anyway now I see what you mean. I think I'm kind of 00:54:15.803 --> 00:54:20.589 more optimistic about the future than you are. I think we can still survive 00:54:20.589 --> 00:54:26.599 on this planet even if we get very numerous. We just have to find another 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:30.500 way to consume and take care of each other. But maybe this my feminine side 00:54:30.500 --> 00:54:37.630 talking. Question: Maybe in general without a lot 00:54:37.630 --> 00:54:45.030 of modification to the human beings it's simply not possible. 00:54:45.030 --> 00:54:53.070 Certainly. I think that's a common ground. And yeah I sort of wish we didn't need a 00:54:53.070 --> 00:54:59.290 planet B but I think we do. Régine: Well I hope I'd be dead when that 00:54:59.290 --> 00:55:06.179 comes. That's my philosophy sometimes. Okay. 00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:14.500 Herald: I don't see any more questions so let's thank the speaker again. Thank you. 00:55:14.500 --> 00:55:18.144 Applause 00:55:18.144 --> 00:55:31.670 35C3 postroll music 00:55:31.670 --> 00:55:41.000 Subtitles created by c3subtitles.de in the year 2020. Join, and help us!