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Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.04,0:00:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald (De): Herzlich willkommen im Hacker\NMorgengrauen im Stream der c-base der
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.85,0:00:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Raumstation unter Berlin Mitte. Das ist\Nschon der zweite Talk heute. Wir begrüßen
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.56,0:00:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,diesmal Alex. Hallo, Alex.\NAlexander: Hallo. Guten Morgen.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.92,0:00:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Alexander Sander zum Thema Public\NCode in der Pandemie. Public Money, Public
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.54,0:00:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Code. Genauer gesagt. Also wir möchten\Ndoch gerne für das sauer abgesparte
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.28,0:00:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Steuergeld auch Dinge zurückbekommen und\Nnicht Dinge, wo wir hinterher nicht ran
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.39,0:00:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dürfen und nicht reingucken dürfen und\Nnichts mit machen dürfen. Und welche
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.73,0:00:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bedeutung das hat. Und warum das\Nlangfristig noch wichtiger wird. Das wird
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.26,0:00:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex uns gleich lang und breit erklären.\NSo lang und so breit wie nötig. Bis
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.54,0:00:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ungefähr 1 Uhr. Und wenn ihr Fragen habt,\Ndann benutzt den Hashtag rc3 und dann
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.50,0:00:55.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,werden wir versuchen das in dem Pad zu\Nmaterialisieren und noch kurz drüber zu
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.81,0:01:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sprechen um 1. Gut. Alex, dann halbe\NStunde für dich. Viel Spaß.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.95,0:01:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex (De): Ja, vielen Dank.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.35,0:01:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex (En): Good morning, everyone. 12:30 {\i1}\Nlaughs{\i0} hacker morning. That's that's
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.61,0:01:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lovely. Yeah. So in the next 30 minutes, I\Nwill talk about the public money, public
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.00,0:01:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,code and what role free software played\Nduring the crisis and is still playing.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.07,0:01:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so my name is Alexander Sander. I'm\Npolicy consultant of the Free Software
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.72,0:01:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foundation Europe, and we are a charity\Nthat empowers users to control technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.87,0:01:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yeah, we do believe that free software\Nplays a crucial role here. So to get us in
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.71,0:01:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mood, I think you all remember it was\Naround March last year when the borders
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.90,0:01:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been closed because of the crisis. So\Nwe wanted to avoid contacts. And yeah, one
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.31,0:01:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solution back in the days was to close\Nborders. And as you know, free movement is
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.93,0:02:07.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a fundamental right. And to fix this\Nissue, software played important role and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.13,0:02:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contact tracing apps, for example, have\Nbeen pushed on the market to fix this. And
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.71,0:02:20.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will talk about this a bit later. And\Nalso, we have seen us and many of us in
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.78,0:02:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,home office and again here. Software, was\Nvery important and as well free software
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.80,0:02:34.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,played an important role. And as said in\Nthe next minutes, I will tell you why and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.05,0:02:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software is important and as and\Nspecifically what free software solutions
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.87,0:02:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helped us to tackle the crisis. So\Neverybody loves free software, especially,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.24,0:02:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, around c-base and the Congress\Nfree software is pretty well known.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.57,0:02:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, let me introduce you quickly the\Nconcept of free software. So it's also
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.86,0:03:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes called libre software, open\Nsource software. But free software always
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.81,0:03:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes with 4 freedoms, and it's the\Nfreedom to use, study, share and improve.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.32,0:03:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This means free software gives you the\Nfreedom to use the software for any
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.59,0:03:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,purpose you want. Without any\Nrestrictions, you are free to study the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.83,0:03:26.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,code so it can be analyzed by anyone so\Nyou can see the code. You can see what the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.57,0:03:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software is going to do, what it does. You\Nalso free to share the software without
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.77,0:03:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any limitations. So there are no like\Nlicense costs or something like this, so
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.91,0:03:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can install it on as many workstations\Nas you want and so on. But here, please
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.59,0:03:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep in mind the price doesn't matter. So\Nfree is not coming with the price in
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.54,0:03:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,general. So you can also sell free\Nsoftware and this is also done, but you
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.76,0:03:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are free to share it afterwards. And also,\Nyou are free to improve the software. You
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.53,0:04:06.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can modify it. And by this you can give\Nback to the community. And whenever we
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.07,0:04:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have these 4 freedoms to use, study, share\Nand improve, then it is free software or s
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.33,0:04:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said there are many names like open\Nsource, libre software and so on. And
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.05,0:04:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these 4 freedoms helped us during the\Ncrisis a lot when it came to software
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.07,0:04:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solutions to give you a better\Nunderstanding of the 4 freedoms I just
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.48,0:04:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,named. In practical terms, I have this\Nslide here for you where I will first show
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.65,0:04:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you the problems of proprietary software.\NSo software, which is not coming with this
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.21,0:04:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,4 freedoms and on the other hand, on a\Npractical way, the 4 freedoms as a
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.83,0:04:51.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solution for free software. So first, they\Nare. The major problem was proprietary
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.59,0:04:56.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software is that there is no\Ninteroperability at all. You might have
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.57,0:05:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0} this problem as well a lot. So it's the\Nthing that you are stuck in an ecosystem.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.18,0:05:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you buy a piece of software from\None vendor, you always have to go back to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.41,0:05:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this one vendor. To like broaden your\Nsystem, so programs are not working
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.50,0:05:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together, so there is no connection and\Nbut as we call it interoperability, this
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.03,0:05:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is something we don't see at proprietary\Nsoftware. But as you are coming into this
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.27,0:05:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vendor lock in, as said. If you buy one\Npiece of software, let's say office
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.26,0:05:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solution, then you need to buy a mail\Nprogram, or presentation thingy or
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.70,0:05:46.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like this from the same vendor.\NBecause as you want, have want to have
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.97,0:05:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interoperability, these proprietary\Nvendors only give you interoperability in
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.14,0:05:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their own system. But if you want to go\Nout of the system, then you run into
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.87,0:06:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,struggles, and there's no interoperability\Nat all. So this is a problem with data
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.66,0:06:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sharing with others, but also like\Ncollaborative working and so on. And this
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.26,0:06:13.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also means that these pieces of software\Ncame with unpredictable costs. So first of
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.42,0:06:17.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all, you have to buy a piece of software.\NThen you do not know how much you have to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.85,0:06:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pay for the other pieces you might need in\Nthe future. But also, you don't know at
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.77,0:06:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one point you have to pay for upgrades for\Nupdates and so on. And so it's really hard
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.52,0:06:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to estimate the costs for the software in\Nthe future. And this is also a huge
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.34,0:06:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem which is coming with proprietary\Nsoftware. And also as you have to pay for
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.02,0:06:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the license first, and many also like for\Na license for every workstation and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.33,0:06:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your investments are lost so you can't\Ninvest the money into the coding, but you
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.39,0:07:00.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just pay for licensing. And so that's why\Nyour investments are also just lost in the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.31,0:07:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very beginning. And we have seen during\Nthe crisis I will show you some examples
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.65,0:07:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's later that there's also a very low\Nacceptance by citizens if they have to, or
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.18,0:07:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they are forced to use proprietary\Nsoftware. And in the end, there are also
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.12,0:07:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security issues. As you can't look into\Nthe code, you might don't find backdoors,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.24,0:07:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, or you can't see if the\Nsoftware is really is going to do what
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.23,0:07:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's supposed to do. And so therefore\Nproprietary software also comes with
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.08,0:07:38.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security issues. And so on the other hand,\Nwe have the solution. It's risk free
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.65,0:07:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software because we have there, we have\Nthese open standards. This is coming from
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.23,0:07:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the 4 freedoms as you are free, for\Nexample, to look in the code as you can
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.30,0:07:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,modify it and so on, and as it based on\Nopen standard we have this
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.91,0:07:57.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interoperability by default. And so we\Ncan, like work together across borders,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.49,0:08:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's very easy to collaborate if you\Nare using free software because you have
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.70,0:08:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these interoperability by default. Also\Nyou are highly independent through the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.02,0:08:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free licenses. So the 4 freedoms are\Nalways guaranteed when it is free
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.03,0:08:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software, so you are free to modify and\Nadapt it to your needs. You are free to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.75,0:08:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share it, to use it in as many\Nworkstations as you want and so on, as
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.29,0:08:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just said. So you are highly independent,\Nby this you can also collaborate, and this
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.31,0:08:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also something we have seen heavily\Nduring the crisis. That collaboration is
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.50,0:08:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,key, especially when it comes to global\Ncrisis. We need to work across borders. We
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.06,0:08:43.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to collaborate across borders. And so\Nthis this collaboration, we can share
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.19,0:08:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,risks, but also costs. So this is a big\Nadvantage of free software and also you
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.11,0:08:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can involve local partners. So this is\Nespecially something we see when it comes
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.52,0:09:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the use of free software within\Nadministrations, public bodies. So
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.70,0:09:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whenever governments are using free\Nsoftware, then there's a huge involvement
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.54,0:09:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of local partners, which is also like a\Nstrengthening not only the software
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.95,0:09:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project but also the region and so on. And\Nit is transparent by default, as you can
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.90,0:09:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see the code. This is very important. It's\Nalso one of the freedoms. And because of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.56,0:09:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this transparency, you can see the code.\NAnd by this, you can, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.81,0:09:34.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,identify bugs. You can fix bugs quickly.\NAnd so free software gives you the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.47,0:09:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,advantage to make your software even more\Nsecure. And so free software isn't secure
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.83,0:09:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by default, but you have the chance to\Nquickly find security issues, but also
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.71,0:09:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other issues and fix them immediately. So\Nand this is also a big advantage, so you
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.44,0:09:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't have to go back to a vendor and ask\Nhim if he can fix something. You can
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.68,0:10:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply do it by your own or the community\Ncan thus. So with all of this, you can
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.51,0:10:08.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also already see why it is a very good\Nidea to use free software in general, but
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.35,0:10:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also in particular during a crisis, which\Nis. What we have seen, especially during
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.87,0:10:20.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the corona crisis. So we need to work\Ntogether because global problems need
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.78,0:10:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,global solutions, so as already said\Nduring the corona crisis, we have seen a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.72,0:10:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot that there was free software around\Nand that that was very good, that we used
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.54,0:10:36.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software and not proprietary\Nsoftware. And that especially in the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.39,0:10:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beginning, there were very interesting\Ndebates around it. I think you might
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.39,0:10:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember the tracing apps and so on, but\Nwe have seen that here in global crisis
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.74,0:10:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the demands are very similar. So for\Nexample, when it comes to contact tracing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.24,0:11:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or something like this, we have seen that\Nspecific software and specific hardware is
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.48,0:11:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was needed. And for Home Office, for\Nexample, or for remote working, we have
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.04,0:11:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seen this and especially with the tracing\Nand now we see certificate apps, we see
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.82,0:11:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are more or less the same\Ndemands around the world. And especially
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.24,0:11:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we look at Europe, they are more or\Nless the same solutions as we want to.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.76,0:11:31.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, the European region without borders\Nand so on. And here again, the solution is
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.63,0:11:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we need interoperability. So we need\Nthese open standards to be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.09,0:11:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collaborate, to work together and to also\Nuse the free licenses and to spread the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.42,0:11:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software as wide as possible. And also\Nthat we need to foster the innovation and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.94,0:11:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collaborate. So we have seen this a lot,\Nthat it was very important that it's not
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.20,0:12:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only coders who work on a project and not\Nonly a nation or a specific region working
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.42,0:12:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a project, but that we have to involve\Nmany stakeholders from many countries
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.05,0:12:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on specific projects. And this is\Nonly possible with free software as we can
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.85,0:12:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work and collaborate across borders. And\Nwe have also seen that the transparency of
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.74,0:12:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software gives us acceptance, and\Nthis is very important, especially if you
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.09,0:12:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to roll out software projects on a\Nvery large level. You need acceptance,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.32,0:12:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially by citizens that they use the\Nsystems, and therefore transparency is and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.66,0:12:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also was key. And yeah, as said as you can\Ninvolve all stakeholders, this is also a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.52,0:12:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big advantage. And I want to give you a\Nconcrete example now, with the apps. I
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.76,0:12:55.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think most of you are using at least 1 or 2\Nof these {\i1}laughing{\i0} free software apps, which
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.100,0:13:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are around at the moment. And when the \Ndebate started, it was also like one and a half
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.68,0:13:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years ago we were discussing these contact\Ntracing apps, and it was a discussion if
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.62,0:13:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it should be centralized, decentralized,\Nif it should be free software or
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.44,0:13:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proprietary software and so on. And we\Nvery quickly jumped in with a press
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.34,0:13:25.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,release and advocated around governments\Nwith 3 demands, and they are still valid
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.100,0:13:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,today. And the 1st demand is that no\Nmatter what it is, these apps need to be
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.74,0:13:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used voluntarily. So this is not that much\Non free software, but it's also a key that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.59,0:13:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a voluntary. But then it also must\Nrespect fundamental rights. So whenever
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.32,0:13:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these apps are introduced and when they\Nare health data, for example, in these
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.67,0:13:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apps are, then we must respect fundamental\Nrights, for example, the right to privacy
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.51,0:14:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so on. And we can only see if\Nfundamental rights are protected, if the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.45,0:14:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,code is transparent and if you can prove\Nthat the software is really going to do
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.56,0:14:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it's supposed to do. And in the end,\Nso we set all of these apps and solutions
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.71,0:14:17.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to be free software, and we have been\Nvery successful with this demand and there
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.09,0:14:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a very huge debate. And what makes us\Nvery happy was that there was not only a
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.91,0:14:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,debate and not only the apps have been\Nreleased as free software, but there were
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.10,0:14:34.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some fundamental statements during the\Ntime, for example, from the World Health
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.55,0:14:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Organization. And they said they need to\Nbe full, there need to be full
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.17,0:14:47.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transparency and these apps need to be\Nopen sourced and also the European eHealth
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.91,0:14:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network. So this is the European\NCommission and the member states of the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.54,0:14:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,European Union released the toolbox for\Nthe member states, where they said already
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.36,0:15:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,defined how these mobile applications need\Nto be designed in the European Union. And
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.01,0:15:13.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here they said also that it need to be\Nopen sourced and. What makes us very happy
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.89,0:15:17.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they're not just said it need to be\Nopen source, but they also said it's good
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.57,0:15:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for reuse, it's good for interoperability,\Nit's good for the security and the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.87,0:15:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transparency. And so they followed our\Narguments fully, and this is very
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.92,0:15:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important that the European Union, but\Nalso the World Health Organization,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.51,0:15:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quickly understood that it's only free\Nsoftware that can help us during this time
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.12,0:15:46.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the crisis. And we have quickly seen\Nthat there is this community engagement
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.02,0:15:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it's not just about hackers and\Ncoders who improve apps, but it's also
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.28,0:15:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about translations, for example. So we\Nneed people with language skills, but also
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.36,0:16:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially when it comes to the tracing\Napps. We also need, like scientists from
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.42,0:16:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all areas who can tell us how such a virus\Nspread and so on, and how we can trace it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.09,0:16:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here we have seen how global\Ncooperation can work and can lead to a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.16,0:16:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation that we have a very good app in\Nthe end, which helps us in this case for
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.48,0:16:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contact tracing in the very beginning. And\Nhere you can see what happened on git, but
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.77,0:16:38.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also with the CovPass app. We have seen\Nthat it's now available on F-droid.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.98,0:16:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, in Germany the CovPass app,\Nso this is the app which gives you your
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.79,0:16:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,COVID certificate that your vaccinated,\Nfor example. And so in Germany, this app
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.28,0:17:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was free software, but it was not released\Non F-droid and F-droid is a free software
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.75,0:17:06.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,app store. So the yeah, the better app\Nstore compared to Play Store, because in
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.83,0:17:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F-droid, you can only find free software.\NBut what happened is that the community
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.20,0:17:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again stepped in, so volunteers helped us\Nto make it possible that this app is now
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.19,0:17:22.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also available on F-droid and ?. Yeah,\Nit's also possible to use it on more
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.57,0:17:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,devices than before, and it's also free to\Nuse without any Google services, which is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.79,0:17:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also very important when it comes to\Nprivacy and so on. So here we have seen
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.71,0:17:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that with the use of free software, we can\Nmake this app available to everyone and we
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.08,0:17:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can ensure that fundamental rights are\Nrespected and that everything is based on
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.12,0:17:49.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software and that you, for example,\Ndon't need Google services to use these
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.47,0:17:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apps. But on the other hand, what happened\Nlater? So after the good news, yeah, as
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.87,0:18:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said there are also always bad news. In\NOctober last year, the European Commission
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.27,0:18:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,released a Open-Source strategy, so just a\Nyear later, after they said when it comes
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.62,0:18:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the CovPass apps and COVID apps, where\Nthey said it's important that they are
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.11,0:18:18.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transparent because of security reasons,\Ninteroperability and so on, they gave
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.67,0:18:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,themselves a strategy. So the European\NCommission released an open source
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.33,0:18:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strategy for themselves how they want to\Nact and how they want to use free software
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.59,0:18:36.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the future. And unfortunately, there\Nthey watered down a lot. So it was not
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.65,0:18:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like that, they said. So now we learned,\Nand we want to have now everything on free
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.26,0:18:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software because this is our learning from\Nthe crisis this is our learning from the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.70,0:18:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last decades. No. They said they want to\Nrelease their solutions wherever it makes
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.16,0:18:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sense to do so as open source. And they\Nalso want to be in the position to choose
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.47,0:19:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non open technologies where there are good\Nreasons to do so. So but at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.98,0:19:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they never, ever defined what are good\Nreasons and where something makes sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.32,0:19:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is completely open. And so what is\Ngood, on the one hand, is that they have
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.98,0:19:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like open source strategy so\Nthat they are thinking about it, that they
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.06,0:19:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are giving themselves the strategy. But at\Nthe same time, if they releasing this
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.01,0:19:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paper, with so many loopholes we fear that\Nthere won't be a major change here. And I
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.80,0:19:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think or we do believe that not only the\Ncrisis has shown us that free software is
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.71,0:19:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way to go, but also like the last\Ndecades and also before the crisis. We
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.79,0:19:46.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have advocating a lot around this, and we\Nhave seen many administrations who have
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.15,0:19:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very good experience with free software,\Nnot only when it comes to crisis but also
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.85,0:19:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in general. Again, think about Home\NOffice, think about video chats. What we
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.73,0:19:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are do using here today, jitsi a free\Nsoftware tool, but also BigBlueButton, is
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.82,0:20:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example one so nobody has to be forced\Nto use proprietary solutions like Zoom or
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.50,0:20:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like this. So they are very good\Nfree software tools on the market. And
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.41,0:20:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are good reasons to use them,\Nespecially when it comes to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.96,0:20:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administrations, because they are in\Ncontact with citizens with us. And I think
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.97,0:20:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is again a learning from the crisis.\NTransparency, for example, is key, but
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.06,0:20:32.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also interoperability so that we are free\Nto use whatever device we want, but are
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.62,0:20:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still in the position to communicate with\Nadministrations. So and they also said
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.99,0:20:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they want to set up a small, open source\Nprogram office. There is no budget at all
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.11,0:20:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this. So what sounds very good from\Nthe very first page, so »think open«
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.31,0:20:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the title of the strategy, turns\Nout to be a paper full of loopholes, and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.98,0:21:01.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are still in contact with the European\NCommission in order to learn what they are
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.87,0:21:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing. From what we have seen so far. It's\Nnot that much. They just released another
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.35,0:21:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new paper. And um, but still, we don't see\Nany budget. We don't see any people
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.56,0:21:17.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on this so that were specifically\Nhired for this after the strategy was
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.93,0:21:24.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduced and so on. So, but yes. Stay\Ntuned. Hopefully we can release some news
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.21,0:21:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this soonish on our website, but the\Ncommission is very, let's say, closed when
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.08,0:21:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we ask about they think open strategy.\NWhich is at the same time, very strange.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.14,0:21:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I said already before the crisis,\Nnot only us, but 100s of organizations and
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.04,0:21:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also 10s of 1000s of individuals demanded\Nthat publicly financed software must be be
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.87,0:21:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made publicly available under a free\Nsoftware license. And I think with a
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.06,0:21:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crisis we have learned that it's now even\Nmore important than ever before to tell
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.87,0:22:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administrations to convince\Nadministrations to use free software, and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.26,0:22:11.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not only about crisis, but it's also\Nabout digital sovereignty, for example. So
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.38,0:22:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also for administrations, it's good to\Nknow what a software does if they use it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.20,0:22:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's in the core of our state digital\Ninfrastructure and therefore the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.81,0:22:25.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administrations need to have the full\Ncontrol over the software they are using.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.90,0:22:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is also true for everybody else,\Nlike for us individuals, but also for
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.58,0:22:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies and civil society and so on. So\Nit's in terms of digital sovereignty, a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.93,0:22:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very good idea to use free software. But\Nit's also about our money. It's public
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.61,0:22:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money, it's taxpayers money and public\Nbodies are financed through taxes, and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.21,0:22:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why they have to make sure they\Nspend their funds in the most efficient
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.11,0:22:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way possible. And as I've shown to you, I\Nthink there's only 1 solution and this is
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.92,0:23:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software in the and. And to give you\N1 number here and just imagine this money
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.50,0:23:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have been invested in free software\Nin the last years. So the governments and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.52,0:23:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public bodies, public administrations are\Nthe largest purchasers of IT goods and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.55,0:23:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services, and they comprise up to 27% of\Nthe revenue of software firms. And so now
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.70,0:23:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just think about if we would use these 27%\Nand invest it in free software and think
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.25,0:23:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the solutions we would have had\Nduring the crisis already, for example, to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.08,0:23:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be able to have a secure workspace for\NHome Office and so on, but also to be
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.38,0:23:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,available to be in a digital\Nadministrations. And so I think this
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.77,0:23:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number is very important and shows us that\Nthere are many investments lost because we
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.35,0:24:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are or administrations are still buying\Nproprietary software and didn't switch to
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.10,0:24:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software. So in the end, free\Nsoftware gives you the many advantages you
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.35,0:24:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can as said involve local partners. So\Nwhenever administrations or public bodies
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.06,0:24:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are procuring free software, we can see\Nthat it's also strengthening the local
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.62,0:24:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economy so licensing fees are not going\Nanymore to Ireland and the U.S., but it's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.04,0:24:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also highly efficient, so you don't have\Nto reinvent the wheel again and again. So
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.19,0:24:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administrations all over the world have\Npretty much more or less the same demands.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.98,0:24:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so why do we have to reinvent the\Nwheel again and again and buy one piece of
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.15,0:24:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software again and again? And so there's\Nabsolutely no reason. And it would be way
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.84,0:24:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more efficient to collaborate. And we can\Nalso see that when administrations are
Dialogue: 0,0:24:48.73,0:24:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing this, it's happening. And also\Nagain, we have this digital sovereignty,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.36,0:25:02.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can have software which is tailored\Nto your needs and you can modify it
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.36,0:25:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whenever you want and adapt to your needs.\NAnd it's not just like a vendors business
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.36,0:25:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,model what you are following. And so\Ntherefore free software is a very good
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.30,0:25:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,idea. So if you are in line with our\Narguments and if you like our arguments,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.87,0:25:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are still free to sign our campaign.\NSo 3 years, 4 years ago now. We started
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.24,0:25:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our comparing public money public code\Nwhere we demand that whenever it's public
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.13,0:25:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money, the code should be also public. And\Nso we want legislation requiring that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.40,0:25:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publicly financed software developed for\Nthe public sector, need to be made
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.88,0:25:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publicly available under a free software\Nlicense. And we are seeing more and more
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.63,0:25:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,treaties and also, for example, in the\Ncoalition treaty in Germany, we have some
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.94,0:25:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sentences on the use of free software. And\Nso we see that there is some progress
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.42,0:26:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here. But still, we only need not only we\Nneed to do more pressure here, we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.32,0:26:09.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fight for public money, public code still,\Nand we see more and more commitments. But
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.75,0:26:15.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same time, we need to also follow\Nup with the implementation. As we have
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.09,0:26:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seen, for example, with the European\NCommission, their open source strategy,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.02,0:26:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is called think open but full of\Nloopholes. Now it's important to see that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.83,0:26:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a good implementation because\Nthis is key. Papers are important. Sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.19,0:26:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a 1st step, but now we need to\Nmake sure that there's also a proper
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.64,0:26:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,implementation. And if you want to support\Nus with our demand, you can also sign this
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.50,0:26:43.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,campaign. If you haven't done already or\Nreach out to us, we have several
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.35,0:26:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activities. We have an activity package\Ntelling you how you can contact your local
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.26,0:26:53.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administration and convince them to use\Nfree software. Lots of our volunteers are
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.34,0:26:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing this, sometimes successfully. And so\NI think this is important that we continue
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.33,0:27:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk about the advantages of free\Nsoftware and also use the example from the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.76,0:27:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crisis, I just have shown to you and\Ncontinue our efforts to convince
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.34,0:27:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administration to switch to free software.\NAnd with this, I want to end my talk and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.93,0:27:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be up for questions if there are\Nsome in the pad, in the meantime.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.94,0:27:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank thank you very, very much.\NThere's essentially 1 question popping up
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.33,0:27:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on our pads here. And this is about this\Nterm of digital sovereignty and whether
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.40,0:27:49.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digital sovereignty funded by national\Nstate actors would eventually mean that we
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.33,0:27:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are sooner or later hacking for the\Nnational security agencies of our
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.54,0:28:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries. And what that would imply to\Nfor free software and the ethics of free
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.06,0:28:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software.\NAlex: I mean, there was a bit of
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.16,0:28:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,background noise, so I'm not sure if I\Nfully got it, but it's about if we would
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.97,0:28:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, if our community would like hack or\Nfix governments software, if this is in
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.76,0:28:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,line with the ethical principles of free\Nsoftware, was this was, was this the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.98,0:28:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question or did I get it wrong?\NH: Yes. (not audible)
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.71,0:28:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A: But I'll try to I try to address this,\NI think. Yeah. Governmental bodies are
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.34,0:28:51.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using free software or should use free\Nsoftware as they are handling our data as
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.83,0:28:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are communicating with us. And for\Nsure, also governmental bodies are using
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.65,0:29:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software for surveillance, for example,\Nfor reasons we might personally don't
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.81,0:29:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like. And this is very different. So and\Nnobody should be forced to like invest the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.34,0:29:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time or resources to have governments to\Nfix their software. And it's also again on
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.92,0:29:29.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,procurement so as said free software\Ndoesn't need to be priceless. So although
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.91,0:29:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for us, it's important that if public\Nbodies are using software, then whatever,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.95,0:29:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is it should be free software and this\Ngives us the chance to see code and, for
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.46,0:29:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, to discuss. And this also opens\Ndebates. If you want a solution which is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.05,0:29:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to work like this, and this doesn't\Nnecessarily mean that we contribute to the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.12,0:30:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,code, but we can also contribute to a\Nsoftware by discussing what it does. Is
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.72,0:30:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this something we want to have for our\Nsociety. Is this a software we really
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.92,0:30:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need? And this is, I think, only possible\Nif we have something like, for example, a
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.27,0:30:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,repository for governmental software which\Nis used and then we can like check what
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.69,0:30:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is, what they are doing. And it\Ndoesn't mean that that you have to do it,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.71,0:30:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you are free to do it. And I think\Nthis is important and this is also what we
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.71,0:30:35.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have seen during the crisis. So there are\Nsome general or fundamental discussions
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.37,0:30:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the apps and about tracing and so\Non. But this is possible because it is
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.51,0:30:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software, and that doesn't mean that\Nyou have to contribute to the code or that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.90,0:30:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to use it. So as we said, it's\Nimportant that it's that people can use it
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.48,0:30:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,voluntarily, but still you can contribute\Neven if you just debate around it. So and
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.74,0:31:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this is important and that is why\Nwe want free software. And I think in the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.52,0:31:03.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end, it's better to have a free software\Nproject where you can see what the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.71,0:31:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software does and that are a government\Ntells you transparently what they are
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.54,0:31:11.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to do instead of doing it completely\Nsecretly.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.03,0:31:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: Very well, so that demonstrates that we\Nthat we have maybe another problem or a
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.47,0:31:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new problem, but a constructive one,\Nsomething we can work on. And this whole
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.03,0:31:31.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issue of digital sovereignty and national\Nstate actors must be discussed. As you
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.89,0:31:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said, this was the main question from the\Npad. So thank you for the talk this
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.13,0:31:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,morning.\NA: Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, it
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.98,0:31:45.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was fun. And yeah,enjoy the rest of the\Nconference then.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.03,0:31:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: Yes, I hope you do too. Thank you.\NA: Yeah. Thanks a lot. See you. Bye bye.
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