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Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.06,0:00:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Marcel Dzama: Drawing with Raymond Pettibon]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.88,0:00:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I enjoy working alone for about a month.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.28,0:00:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then after that, I really need\Nto be around other artists or friends.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.56,0:00:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always really enjoy collaboration.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.22,0:00:57.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Working with Raymond Pettibon\Nhas really been an honor.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.14,0:01:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was the first contemporary artist\NI had heard of,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.70,0:01:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of all the album covers he had\Ndone over the years of punk bands.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.26,0:01:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We started collaborating because we'd\Ngo to all these Zwirner artist dinners.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.28,0:01:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're both a little bit socially awkward.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.64,0:01:44.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we'd be drawing at the dinners.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.86,0:01:47.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usually, we'd sit beside each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.13,0:01:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So then we started drawing on napkins
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.06,0:01:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the table.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.52,0:02:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really feel that he opened the door for\Nthe acceptance of drawing as a main art form--
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.92,0:02:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not as just the sketch before the painting\Nor before the sculpture.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.00,0:02:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He really put his foot in the door.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.74,0:02:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I got in as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.86,0:02:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[LAUGHS]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.70,0:02:24.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--Should we do that cathedral or the waves?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.64,0:02:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--Should we start that one?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.75,0:02:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[RAYMOND PETTIBON]\N--Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.75,0:02:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DZAMA]\N--There was this one that you had, too,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.34,0:02:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--from the horses.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.24,0:02:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PETTIBON]\NOh yeah...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.36,0:02:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DZAMA]\N--It's a pretty good color.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.98,0:02:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PETTIBON] I love gothic cathedrals,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.28,0:02:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you just let gravity...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.68,0:02:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DZAMA] Yeah, just let it drop!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.28,0:02:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[LAUGHS]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.50,0:03:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PETTIBON] It took five hundred years\Nwith hard labor to get done,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.18,0:03:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but drawing them is my favorite.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.06,0:03:13.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DZAMA] We didn't even talk about\Nwhat we were planning to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.63,0:03:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just naturally started on\None end of the paper
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.56,0:03:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and met in the middle or switched off.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.60,0:03:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We knew that a lot of people\Nwould try to pick out, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.56,0:03:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, Marcel drew that and Raymond drew this."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.05,0:03:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, purposely he would draw a bat.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.34,0:03:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would draw a wave,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.38,0:03:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a surfer,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.52,0:03:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or something we're more known for.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.12,0:03:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If paint dripped across my drawing,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.34,0:03:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would try to incorporate it into,\NI don't know, a snake or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.38,0:03:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas Raymond would just leave the drops.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.92,0:03:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really like that looseness that he has--
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.40,0:03:54.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just kind of let it happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.40,0:04:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just this natural flow\Nthat really worked well.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.28,0:04:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our sons are the same age,\Nthey're both six.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.81,0:04:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were in here a few days ago\Nand painted this one in the corner.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.60,0:04:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Raymond and I added to it as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.98,0:04:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They started it all--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.98,0:04:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had this whole wave in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.20,0:04:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is kind of like our little\Nfamily collaborative piece.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.69,0:04:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's quite fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.70,0:04:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since having a child,\NI find that seeing things through his eyes--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.61,0:04:46.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeing things as brand new,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.47,0:04:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and discovering things that I've just ignored\Nor become used to--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.28,0:04:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has found its way into my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.07,0:05:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've definitely found that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.45,0:05:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have this looseness to my work\Nwhen I collaborate.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.21,0:05:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That gives it more of an energy.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.97,0:05:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The work is alive\Nand I've really embraced it.