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Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.20,0:00:21.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: “On the internet\Nyou decide what you do, right?”
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.42,0:00:27.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a question that I found on\Nyour website RespectMyNet.eu.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.51,0:00:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And well, I don’t know what you\Nthink, it sounds quite plausible.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.05,0:00:35.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the answer that they give is:\N“Maybe not!” So, who that is,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.81,0:00:39.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who actually decides what\Nyou do on the internet and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.83,0:00:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what consequences that has,\Nand what you can do against that –
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.47,0:00:48.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these two men will tell you now.\NThey are Thomas Lohninger
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.39,0:00:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who fought against data retention\Nin Austria – and successfully –
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.29,0:00:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he has been very active\Nin that politics ever since.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.59,0:01:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is here with Christopher Talib,\NCampaign Manager for LaQuadratureDeNet,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.91,0:01:05.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the French NGO fighting\Nfor civil rights. Welcome!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.43,0:01:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Together they say: Make\Nthe Internet neutral again!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.58,0:01:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please give them\Na warm applause!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.45,0:01:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.91,0:01:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas Lohninger: Thanks, everyone!\NIs the microphone working? Yeah, great.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.28,0:01:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, first I have to say\Nsomething for that title,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.28,0:01:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the slides could come up?…
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.72,0:01:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, we don’t have slides so far.\NChristopher Talib: Yes we do!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.20,0:01:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lohninger: So. “Make the internet neutral\Nagain”. When we decided to have this title
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.93,0:01:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for our talk this was of course\Nbefore Donald Trump became elected.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.59,0:01:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of our talk will be about how to\Nenforce net neutrality, how to really
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.96,0:01:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep the internet free and open. But\Nof course we also have to talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.47,0:02:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what will happen in the US. We both worked\Non the savetheinternet.eu campaign.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.72,0:02:05.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This common effort of various NGOs\Naround Europe started three years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.87,0:02:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the Commission proposed a very\Ndisastrous law on net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.98,0:02:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would basically abandon the\Nprinciple. And we followed this law
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.32,0:02:20.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout the legislative process on\Nall stages, and then even through,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.03,0:02:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the regulatory implementation.\NAnd this…
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.04,0:02:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can all see on savetheinternet.eu\Nthere’s now an archive page. Because…
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.55,0:02:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let’s talk a little bit more about this\Ncampaign. What is unique here is
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.75,0:02:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we really open-sourced every line of\Ncode that we wrote for this campaign.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.50,0:02:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Including the tools that we used\Nfor contacting your representatives,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.93,0:02:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Members of the European Parliament\Nas well as the regulatory agencies.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.90,0:02:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here you see the traffic graph because\Nwe also have visitor statistics from Piwik
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.73,0:02:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout these three years. And there\Nyou can see that we had huge success
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.17,0:03:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from various players around Europe.\NFrom the Netherlands, from… a huge
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.38,0:03:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shoutout to the Reddit community, they\Nwere awesome! And also change.org,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.48,0:03:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,netzpolitik.org, and Alexander\NLehmann helped us a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.40,0:03:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As well as Firefox which ran a snippet\Nfor savetheinternet in the last parts
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.08,0:03:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the campaign. And in the final stages\Nof this fight for net neutrality in Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.61,0:03:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we really brought the protests to the\Nstreets. There were demonstrations
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.37,0:03:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Barcelona, Riga, Bonn, Brussels\Nand Vienna. And this was really
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.29,0:03:38.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a group effort. At the end this coalition\Ngrew more and more, and we had 23 NGOs
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.79,0:03:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from 14 countries that joined us\Nin this. And, ultimatively, we
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.84,0:03:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,achieved almost half a million submissions\Nto BEREC, the “Body of European Regulators
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.10,0:03:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Electronic Communications”. And this\Nis really a historic number. Because
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.21,0:04:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all previous consultations of the regulators\Nin Europe had a maximum of around
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.03,0:04:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,100 comments. So, no, in all that process\Nthey had so much public interest
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.40,0:04:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and engagement. And this really changed\Nthe landscape within the regulators
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.95,0:04:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because suddenly they were observed by the\Npublic, and before that they were basically
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.57,0:04:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hiding behind some processes, and\Nnot really having to engage with
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.26,0:04:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their own constituency. If you look at\Nthe submissions by country you can see
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.63,0:04:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Germany has the largest share.\NThis is of course because the debate
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.19,0:04:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here in Germany is a little bit\Nmore nuanced and widespread
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.38,0:04:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than in other countries. But still we also\Nhad the UK and France, and Spain and Italy
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.58,0:04:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that contributed a lot through this\Ncampaign. But I also, being an Austrian,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.32,0:04:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to point out that a few small\Ncountries disproportionately contributed
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.96,0:04:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with submissions. Austria, Sweden, Denmark\Nand Belgium really kicked ass, and that’s
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.71,0:04:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably because they had very good NGOs\Nthat, although most of them only run
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.72,0:05:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with volunteers could really mobilize in\Ntheir local language to get the word out,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.05,0:05:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get people engaged for net neutrality.\NSo. We now have this law.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.52,0:05:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we also have the regulatory\Nimplementation. So what does it
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.65,0:05:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually say? What type of net neutrality\Ndo we have now in Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.64,0:05:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for half a Billion people?\NIt is no longer possible to just
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.36,0:05:26.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,block or censor content based on\Ncommercial reasons. So you can
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.53,0:05:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no longer prohibit users the use of\NVOIP, or messaging, or file sharing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.96,0:05:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Terms of Services. There can still\Nbe blocking for legal reasons. If you have
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.88,0:05:42.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a law, if you have a Court order. But an\NISP can not arbitrarily start blocking
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.49,0:05:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,parts of the internet. This is clearly\Nprohibited. We have a new right.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.42,0:05:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a ‘device freedom’ now. That means\Nthat you can connect any type of device
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.78,0:05:57.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to your internet connection. And your ISP\Ncan no longer charge you e.g. for using
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.13,0:06:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your phones internet on your laptop,\Ntethering. That’s really cleared (?) and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.49,0:06:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,absolutely clear. Also on “specialized\Nservices”, I’m particularly happy
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.28,0:06:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we reached this result because this\Nwas maybe 60% of the whole debate
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.60,0:06:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the European Parliament and throughout\Nthe legislative process: what should we do
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.97,0:06:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with “specialized services”? And\Noriginally, they were intended to be
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.68,0:06:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the loophole for net neutrality, to\Ncircumvent the whole net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.84,0:06:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by just making some service\Na specialized service. But now we really
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.55,0:06:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limited this danger to something that is\Nhandleable, and now a specialized service
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.13,0:06:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can only be something which could\Ntechnically not work over the open internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.39,0:06:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can see this clear here, I mean,\Nthat’s a picture from the video
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.69,0:06:51.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Facebook shows you when you have\Nyour birthday. And I found this so telling,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.59,0:06:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this power plug with a Facebook\Nsign is exactly what a specialized service
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.22,0:07:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the bad reading would be. It is\Nno longer a universal connection
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.17,0:07:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allows you to use every device\Nwith this network. Instead, it’s just
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.47,0:07:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for one service. And if we go down that\Nroad we lose the universal character
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.46,0:07:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the internet which allows us to do\Neverything with it. Every invention,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.18,0:07:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every idea on equal footing.\NWith this model it is one Facebook plug,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.01,0:07:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one Google plug and so forth. Another\Nimportant issue that is still ongoing,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.81,0:07:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not as clear as the previous ones is\NZero-Rating. Zero-Rating is the practice
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.83,0:07:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of exempting certain services from\Nyour data cap. So you have your 2 GB
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.08,0:07:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Whatsapp does not count towards\Nthose 2 GB. The new rules say
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.94,0:07:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this has to be handled on a case-by-case\Nbasis. So it’s quite dubious to see
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.01,0:07:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how this will play out. We have a few\Nrulings now, from Austria, Sweden
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.77,0:07:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one from Hungary.\NBut this is really an ongoing process.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.47,0:07:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is clear is that you can not technically\Ndiscriminate stuff with Zero-Rating.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.11,0:08:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you cannot, say, after you used up\Nyour data cap and the rest of the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.11,0:08:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is blocked, you can still use the zero-rated\Napplication. This is clearly prohibited.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.24,0:08:13.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But about the Zero-Rating itself\N– it’s an ongoing process.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.27,0:08:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Traffic Management – the last issue –\Nis the day-by-day operations of a network.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.32,0:08:22.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what do you do when you have a\Ncongestion, when there is too much traffic
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.81,0:08:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the pipe is not big enough, how do you\Nhandle these? And we have a principle
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.56,0:08:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says Traffic Management has to be\Napplication-agnostic, so everything
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.35,0:08:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to be treated the same,\Nbut you can have exceptions,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.68,0:08:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for class-based traffic management, based\Non Quality-of-Service characteristics.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.28,0:08:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the burden of proof here lies with\Nthe ISPs. If the ISP wants to manage
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.79,0:08:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their traffic they have to really have\Na justification why this is necessary
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.92,0:08:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in line with the new law. And\Nwe will closely monitor how ISPs
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.33,0:09:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make this transparent and how NRAs\Nwill handle this. We’re not really happy
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.42,0:09:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the result on this one,\Nbut it’s still a workable text.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.75,0:09:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now I’m gonna\Nhand over to my colleague.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.68,0:09:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christopher: Thank you Thomas.\NYou hear me well? Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.56,0:09:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, RespectMyNet is\Na grassroot tool we use for campaigning
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.87,0:09:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for net neutrality. It was built to try\Nto see what kind of infraction
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.30,0:09:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and violation you could see on net\Nneutrality. It’s an old tool, it has already
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.23,0:09:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a few years. We rebooted it\Nfor the last campaign for the BEREC
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.99,0:09:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Thomas told you about. And, basically,\Nwhat it does… what we will use it now
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.91,0:09:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to try to see how ISPs and operators\Nare going to implement net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.44,0:09:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulation in Europe. So, you know\Nwhat we have it’s a law, we have,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.77,0:09:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Thomas could say, different concepts\Nthat allows good things and also
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.46,0:09:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bad things. However, the question is that,\Nto know how those things are going to be
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.38,0:10:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,implemented. So what it is now: We’d\Nlike to crowdsource the search
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.80,0:10:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for net neutrality violation.\NBasically, this tool allows you to input
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.31,0:10:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to see if there are net neutrality\Nviolations, or in your country,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.90,0:10:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or by your operator.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.04,0:10:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could have crowdsourced documents\Nof all types of net neutrality violation
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.40,0:10:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Europe. And also it could be… we have\Na “Me, too!” button that allows you to say
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.61,0:10:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you experienced this as well. And\Nso you don’t feel alone in front of your
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.29,0:10:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet connection, having problems\Nand wondering if this is your connection,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.84,0:10:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if this is a contract-based or general\Ncomplication from the operator.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.88,0:10:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could see that if other\Npeople already have it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.87,0:10:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But crowdsourcing most of the net\Nneutrality violations is not enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.09,0:11:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we’ll do if all those violations,\Nwhen you just say: “Ah, they’re doing
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.29,0:11:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bad stuff, well.” As you say in\NFrench: “That makes a good leg.”
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.41,0:11:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But yeah, that joke, that cannot\Nbe translated, really. {\i1}laughs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.51,0:11:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, we will be using that to fix\Nthose violations. And to arouse people
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.75,0:11:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to actually see… that’s… pinpointing\Nand to notice all types of violations
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.10,0:11:32.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allows you to fix them. When\Nthe BEREC will review the regulation
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.91,0:11:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on net neutrality, and he will do that,\Nperiodically. We can go and arrive
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.87,0:11:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with huge documents, saying, there are\Nproblems here.. here.. here and there.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.92,0:11:49.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I’m already skipping in front, of my\Nclicking ‘Next Slide’. And it’s a huge
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.75,0:11:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documentation, and in our activist world\Nof internet where everything is very,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.68,0:12:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very quick, and we are very quick on\Nnew information, it's hugely important
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.07,0:12:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have good documentation and to\Nremember what happened before, and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.29,0:12:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it does not happen again. Especially on\Nnet neutrality, as this campaign has been
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.63,0:12:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ongoing for several years now.\NThe second thing that’s interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.18,0:12:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that type of tools is to allow telecom\Nregulators to be accountable. So e.g.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.06,0:12:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,French National Regulation Agency really\Nlikes this tool because they can see
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.56,0:12:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what private companies are doing more or\Nless behind their back. To give an example:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.03,0:12:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Belgium Telecom operators, e.g. Belgacom\Nor Proximus waited for the publication
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.42,0:12:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the net neutrality regulation. And when\Nthey saw that Zero-Rating was more-or-less
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.26,0:12:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accepted but only will be blocked\Non a case-by-case decision
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.91,0:12:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they published and they issued a lot of new\Ncontracts on subscription with Zero-Rating.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.00,0:13:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So e.g. you have that one also in Germany,\Nif I recall well, that you can use
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.23,0:13:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your data caps on your mobile device\Nuntil a certain amount. But when you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.12,0:13:14.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reach that amount everything is down-speed\Nexcept Whatsapp. And that’s seen
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.45,0:13:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a net neutrality violation. And\Nthat’s a really good example of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.45,0:13:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what Zero-Rating is. And that actually\Nshould be illegal. And that’s why we have
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.88,0:13:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RespectMyNet. It’s fairly easy to use and\Nvery low cost of time because when you see
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.64,0:13:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what issues you have on your computer\Nand you can check it out if you have
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.05,0:13:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a violation. Usually you can see that\Nalready in your contract. And that’s why
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.37,0:13:44.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we created a fairly easy form.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.03,0:13:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you could understand this is a very\Ncomplicated issue and that involves
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.34,0:13:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of different elements, especially\Nwhen there are elements from law,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.30,0:13:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are elements from telecom regulation…\NBut we try to make it as simple as possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.11,0:14:02.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you can see the different points\Non country, type of operator, the contract
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.77,0:14:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have, is it a fixed or mobile line you\Nhave, and also the type of discrimination
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.85,0:14:14.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see. Here you have just Zero-Rating\Nbecause that would be the biggest type
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.99,0:14:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of discrimination we will experience in\Nthe next years. However, you still have
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.18,0:14:25.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throttling, class-based,\Ncontract-based etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.09,0:14:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you input that kind of\Ndiscrimination on RespectMyNet.eu,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.97,0:14:37.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behind the scene on the backstage we have\Na team that will review cases, and to see
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.85,0:14:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there is enough information to use that\Nas a good case. E.g. if you just tell us:
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.85,0:14:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“My internet is slow”, that is not enough.\NThat’s why we try to make enough questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.47,0:14:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enough place for you to describe, to give\Nas much information as you could
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.57,0:15:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to develop that. And that have to return\Non the web page. And after that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.61,0:15:09.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we gathered all that information which is\Nno personal identification information,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.57,0:15:15.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were just identification on the type\Nof cases. RespectMyNet.eu is a tool that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.37,0:15:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been ongoing development because\Nwe’re trying to use it for something
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.52,0:15:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it has not been programmed for. And\Nnow we’re using it (?) to be fixed. E.g.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.19,0:15:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have a fixed type of sign flag,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.79,0:15:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let’s say, on that it is searching\Na violation. We are going to develop
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.54,0:15:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,linguistic admin groups because e.g.\NI don’t speak German, and when you have
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.13,0:15:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an input from a German speaking\Nit’s difficult to understand what it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.75,0:15:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially when it’s linked to the contract.\NAnd we’re trying to develop visualization
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.49,0:16:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of cases, so if you are a graphic designer\Nor data visualizator, Affissionador (?) you’re
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.32,0:16:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,welcome to help us. Basically,\NRespectMyNet, as everything most of us do
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.27,0:16:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s free like in Free Speech and\Nlike in free beer. It’s easy to use,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.58,0:16:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s crowd-sourced database. So if you\Nlike databases come play with us
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.87,0:16:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really get involved with that because\Nthere is a tremendous amount of work
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.21,0:16:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a subject that does not involve\Nterrorism which lately very scares.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.38,0:16:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have everything of the information on\Nour Git lab. You have the address here
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.08,0:16:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at git.laquadrature.net. You’ll have,\Nanyway, that on the front page
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.70,0:16:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have information on our wiki,\Nit’s wiki.laquadrature.net. Now, we’ll
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.14,0:16:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speak now on the future thing,\Nand I’ll let… this thing.. to Thomas.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.46,0:17:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas: Thank you Chris. So, how can we\Nuse this tool? How can we use RespectMyNet
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.16,0:17:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we now enter a stage\Non net neutrality as well as with
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.04,0:17:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the new general data protection regulation\Nin Europe where we have quite good laws
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.48,0:17:15.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but now we have to deliver them to the\Npeople. Because it’s now of much value
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.62,0:17:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you have privacy in principle but your\Ndata actually is in the hands of someone else.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.56,0:17:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the same with net neutrality:\Nit doesn’t matter if you are not allowed
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.66,0:17:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to block services when, in fact, your\Ninternet is restricted by your ISP.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.24,0:17:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what we will do, particularly as\Nepicenter.works is our organization
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.23,0:17:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have the high priority to really work\Non delivering net neutrality to the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.72,0:17:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is this concept of strategic litigation\Nwhich is well in place in the U.S.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.58,0:17:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)\Nas well as the Electronic Frontier Foundation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.39,0:17:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pick their cases really litigate for\Nfundamental rights in a strategic way.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.12,0:18:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we want to apply these concepts now to\Nnet neutrality. And we’ve already done that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.55,0:18:10.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in one case. We looked at the violation of\Nan Austrian mobile operator, 3/Hutchinson
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.94,0:18:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and dated exactly this type of Zero-Rating\Nthat I explained earlier as clearly prohibited
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.52,0:18:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you have this one graph [curve],\Nwhich is the violet one, which is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.89,0:18:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public broadcaster in Austria,\Nand when you reach the data cap,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.26,0:18:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the 2130 seconds, it goes down to\Na flat line. But free mobile TV service,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.30,0:18:37.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their in-house television service,\Ncontinues to run without interference.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.79,0:18:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that’s a classical technical\Ndiscrimination between applications
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.50,0:18:46.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is clearly prohibited. We submitted\Na case, it was successful, they cancelled
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.63,0:18:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this type of violation for all new\Ncontracts and they changed the landscape
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.07,0:18:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all their contracts. Because they could\Nno longer give their own services
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.33,0:19:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a competitive advantage, they\Nquadrupled up to 17 times the amount
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.10,0:19:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of volume that you can buy with this operator.\NAnd this is not a singular phenomenon.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.98,0:19:12.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have similar cases in the Netherlands\Nas well as with Slovenia. Once an ISP
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.93,0:19:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is no longer allowed to give preferential\Ntreatment to their own service
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.29,0:19:22.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they start giving more volume to all\Ntheir subscribers which is, of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.30,0:19:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a really good thing. But, as I said,\NZero-Rating is one of the biggest problems
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.54,0:19:34.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have and if you want to put it in\Nnumbers: ca. 40% of all internet providers
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.93,0:19:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Europe currently zero-rate at least\None application. So this is really
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.47,0:19:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an endemic problem that you can find\Nin almost every network and country,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.28,0:19:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we really have to do something\Nabout it. Because there are drastic scenarios
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.68,0:19:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are in front of us. Mark Suckerberg\Nannounced two times already that he wants
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.42,0:19:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to bring his walled garden, called ‘Free\NBasic’, previously ‘internet.org’,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.68,0:20:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also to Europe. He recently also announced\Nthat he wants to bring Free Basic
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.06,0:20:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the U.S. and in the U.S. we\Nhave quite a hard time ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.13,0:20:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Donald Trump is not really a fan of net\Nneutrality, from the few comments that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.68,0:20:20.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could analyze so far. And if you look\Nat the three people that he appointed
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.65,0:20:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to his Transition Team for the regulator,\Nthe FCC in the U.S., there is
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.20,0:20:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a quite horrible outlook. Jeffrey Eisenach\Nas well as Mark Jamison and Roslyn Layton
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.27,0:20:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are hardcore telecom lobbyists. And you\Ncan really get a picture of what’s coming
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.31,0:20:42.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the U.S. if you look at the paper\N“Beyond net neutrality” from Mark Jamison
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.39,0:20:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Roslyn Layton from June of this year.\NWhat they propose here is to basically
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.10,0:20:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,replace all net neutrality rules with\Na multi stakeholder concept.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.65,0:20:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they have a very unique interpretation\Nof what ‘multi stakeholder’ means.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.98,0:21:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They only limit this multi stakeholder\Ngroup to the 20 biggest industry players.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.50,0:21:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They explicitly say: “No civil society, no\Nconsumer protection, no scientists”.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.81,0:21:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it’s basically the industry making their\Nown rules. They also propose new barriers
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.69,0:21:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for every type of ex-ante regulation\Nof the FCC. So that’s basically
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.25,0:21:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting net neutrality in the bin\Nin the U.S. which would also risk
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.52,0:21:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their competitive advantage that the U.S.\Nhas right now as the power house
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.93,0:21:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all startup innovation. If this really\Ncomes through then only the startups
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.41,0:21:35.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that partner up with existing monopolies\Nhave a chance to compete.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.78,0:21:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Europe we also have a quite\Nworrying proposal. Part of the legacy
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.31,0:21:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Guenther Oettinger. He proposed in\NSeptember of this year a new regulation
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.17,0:21:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for BEREC. Who here knows what BEREC is?\NHands up!
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.26,0:21:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh! Actually quite a few, that’s good.\NBEREC is the umbrella above the European
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.09,0:22:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulators for the internet. And it’s an\Nagency that has done quite a good job
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.92,0:22:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on various occasions. They are voice of\Nreason, they have quite a good model
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.32,0:22:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to really incorporate different views and\Nwhat the Commission is proposing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.07,0:22:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this new law is basically replacing\Nthis agency, making it into an independent
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.21,0:22:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legal personality, and having that complete\Ncontrol on all levels from the Commission.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.32,0:22:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in this law you can find the Commission\Nwriting itself into this independent agency
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.27,0:22:38.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on many, many occasions. And\Nthe most obscure outcome of this is
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.92,0:22:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Executive Director as well as the\Nquite powerful Board of Appeals
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.22,0:22:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they will be chosen by regulators, but only\Nfrom a list precompiled by the European
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.04,0:22:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commission. And that’s quite\Na communistic tradition of democracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.12,0:22:58.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have to follow this dossier\Nclosely. It is now entering
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.77,0:23:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the legislative process in the EU and if\Nthis would go through as it was proposed
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.18,0:23:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this would basically mean that the agencies\Nin task of enforcing net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.48,0:23:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are under complete power grab of the\NEuropean Commission which has proven,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.91,0:23:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,times and times again, that it is\Nmostly interested in industry policy
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.18,0:23:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not really in the citizen’s interest.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.37,0:23:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For all of that we need you to put\Nthe violations that you come across
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.17,0:23:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your daily internet experience into\NRespectMyNet.eu as well as write to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.39,0:23:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,team@epicenter.works because we\Nare also very interested in learning
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.21,0:23:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the violations that are out there.\NAnd about really finding partners
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.01,0:23:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in various countries before we can submit\Ncases to the regulators in that country
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.71,0:23:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really keep the internet free\Nand open. You can put it like that:
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.07,0:23:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this new net neutrality law we\Nnow have a tool box to really keep
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.39,0:24:00.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet open. And with RespectMyNet\Nwe have a crowd-sourced todo list
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.38,0:24:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all the violations that we have to get\Nrid of. Thanks for your attention!
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.81,0:24:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as a last word: we were previously THIS\Norganization, now we are THIS organization,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.53,0:24:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we changed our name. Thanks!
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.36,0:24:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.59,0:24:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: I think we have time for a few\Nmore questions. So please step up
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.01,0:24:42.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the microphones if you have\None and I’ll call your number.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.27,0:24:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody so far, is there\Na question from the internet?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.24,0:24:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also not. So you answered all open\Nquestions exhaustively. That is great.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.10,0:24:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christopher: No, there’s a question there…\NHerald: There is a question?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.83,0:24:55.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, up there! Well then, number 5.\NPlease, go ahead!
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.49,0:25:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Hi, my question as an IT guy is:
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.97,0:25:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think about automating the\Nprocess to file these complaints?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.76,0:25:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I’m thinking about people who run\Nout [of] their quota per month and,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.28,0:25:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, can easily start an app which checks\Nabout 50 different services to see
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.34,0:25:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which service is performing good,\Nand which not, and automatically
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.03,0:25:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do a complaint on your side?\NSomething like that?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.62,0:25:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christopher: If I understand well your question\Nthat if we are planning to automate
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.16,0:25:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the system of inputting subscriptions…\Ninput in[to] RespectMyNet?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.64,0:25:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Yeah!
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.84,0:25:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christopher: The thing is that that would only\Ncover a certain type of violation.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.91,0:25:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It won’t e.g. – don’t think in what\NI understood – it won’t be able to cover
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.10,0:26:03.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,e.g. contract-based violations.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.05,0:26:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that could be an idea, why not.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.94,0:26:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas: Maybe, if you go to RespectMyNet.eu\Nyou’ll find a list of the measurement tools
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.58,0:26:14.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are out there right now. The software\Nthat you can use on your own computer
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.74,0:26:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to test if your internet connection is\Nopen and neutral. But most of the software
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.35,0:26:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is abandonware. Sadly, it has not been\Nupdated in quite a few years. And then
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.32,0:26:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need more developers to actively engage\Nin those software tools. And I hope now
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.16,0:26:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that more people will do that because\Nthe threat in the U.S. is quite real and
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.43,0:26:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need better software. Automated testing\Nhappens as part of some Bittorrent clients
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.68,0:26:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,e.g. which upload their data to\NMeasurementlab. And there are
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.76,0:26:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some programs like that but\Nnone really on a wide scale.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.29,0:27:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Okay. So, the next one is the\Nperson on microphone no. 3, please.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.30,0:27:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Yes, I have a question regarding\Nthe regulation to reform BEREC.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.51,0:27:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you planning to fight this regulation,\Nand if so, and if not, are there
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.91,0:27:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any ways to fight it for the rest of us?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.14,0:27:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas: Thanks for being eager! Yes,\Nwe are now… this is just the beginning
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.30,0:27:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this dossier. So it has been\Nproposed September 14, 2016.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.59,0:27:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now the Parliament and the Council\Nare just slowly starting to work on it and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.79,0:27:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s part of a much bigger package of\Nlegislation called the Telecom Code.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.26,0:27:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we are in ongoing conversations\Nwith the legislators and the various
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.14,0:27:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political parties to see what is the best\Nstrategy. And if we think that there is
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.81,0:27:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a reason to really have a campaign then\Nwe will have one. But right now it is
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.15,0:27:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,too early to say.\NQuestion: Thanks!
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.24,0:28:04.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Okay, thank you very much! And\Nthe next person on microphone no.3!
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.06,0:28:08.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Thank you very much for\Nan excellent talk. For Savetheinternet
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.77,0:28:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a lot of national NGOs active.\NAnd with this proposed power grab of BEREC
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.25,0:28:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can we at a national level help\Nsupport the telcom.. tel-regulators nationally
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.35,0:28:25.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to save the net neutrality?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.67,0:28:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas: The best thing to do right now\Nwould be to speak with your telecom
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.75,0:28:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure ministry, whoever is\Nresponsible of this in the European Council
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.23,0:28:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are the ones that are now\Nforming their opinion. And I know from
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.95,0:28:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite a few countries where this is really\Nan open situation, so they are welcoming
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.10,0:28:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,input from citizens. And they, of course,\Nspeak with the Members of the European
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.61,0:28:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Parliament from your country. They are\Nthe ones ultimatively voting on this.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.52,0:28:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m not aware if we already have\Na Rapporteur on that but there will be one
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.60,0:29:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soon, and…\NChristopher: On the Telecom package?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.60,0:29:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas: Yeah!\NChristopher: Del Castillo.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.60,0:29:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas: Del… Oh my god. {\i1}laughs{\i0}\NThe worst Rapporteur that we could
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.18,0:29:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possibly have. It’s the same that\Nwe had for the net neutrality law.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.94,0:29:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But speak with your local ministry and\Nyour Members of the European Parliament.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.54,0:29:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s the right answer for that. And\NI hope that also a few countries and
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.33,0:29:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as the regulators will see this\Npower grab as what it is. Because the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.84,0:29:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commission is not really in the position\Nto insert itself on all levels of government.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.96,0:29:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s just the wrong approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.13,0:29:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Okay, there’s time for one last\Nquestion. Please, a short one! No.4.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.46,0:29:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Thank you very much for the\Ntalk. I was wondering, do you think
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.07,0:29:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s possible to actually convince telecom\Ncompanies to be on our side, so to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.08,0:29:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to get rid of all of those Zero-Rating\Nthings, and convince them that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.63,0:30:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,net neutrality can be a good argument for\Ncustomers. Or do you think the only way
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.12,0:30:06.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is through litigations\Nand going to courts?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.33,0:30:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christopher: I think, both.\NThe problem with telecom operators is
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.01,0:30:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you go against their business model.\NZero-Rating can increase their sales,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.75,0:30:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they’re increasing their quinta (?) percentage etc.\Nand net neutrality can not, or at least
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.98,0:30:26.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not in the way they see it. There is\Ntwo things: on one hand you have
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.42,0:30:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customer protection, on the other hand you\Nhave private profits. So I think we’ll be
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.68,0:30:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very welcoming any type of arguments, of\Nadvocacy that could link both, and saying
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.86,0:30:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we’re making a better world, but\Nalso we’re contributing to capitalism.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.64,0:30:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that’s a tricky one. But,\Nyou know, we can discuss it.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.87,0:30:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas: But it’s doable. I mean there\Nare a few ISPs that are fierce (?)
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.03,0:30:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pro-net neutrality advocates. Because\Nthey’ve realized that net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.93,0:30:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is good for their business model. Because\Nthis open platform creates the demand
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.31,0:31:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the only product they really have,\Nwhich is internet access.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.05,0:31:05.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About… it is really a question of their\Nunderstanding of their own business model.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.31,0:31:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for the most part, they would\Neither cannibalize the revenues
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.08,0:31:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of other companies that run on their\Nnetwork, instead of just being mere pipe.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.56,0:31:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But please try to convince them.\NWe do as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.34,0:31:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: I will.\NChristopher: If you want to discuss more,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:22.76,0:31:26.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we’ll be around the tea house of\NLaQuadrature upstairs, so
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.77,0:31:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you’re welcome there.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.52,0:31:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you very much,\NChristopher and Thomas.
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