1 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:13,340 Twenty years ago, 2 00:00:13,364 --> 00:00:16,367 when I was a barrister and human rights lawyer 3 00:00:16,391 --> 00:00:19,456 in full-time legal practice in London, 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,656 and the highest court in the land 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,096 still convened, some would say by an accident of history, 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,440 in this building here, 7 00:00:28,140 --> 00:00:31,196 I met a young man who had just quit his job 8 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:32,649 in the British Foreign Office. 9 00:00:33,220 --> 00:00:35,516 When I asked him, "Why did you leave," 10 00:00:35,540 --> 00:00:36,740 he told me this story. 11 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:40,516 He had gone to his boss one morning and said, 12 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:44,660 "Let's do something about human rights abuses in China." 13 00:00:45,550 --> 00:00:47,526 And his boss had replied, 14 00:00:47,550 --> 00:00:50,246 "We can't do anything about human rights abuses in China 15 00:00:50,270 --> 00:00:52,870 because we have trade relations with China." 16 00:00:54,030 --> 00:00:56,606 So my friend went away with his tail between his legs, 17 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:59,790 and six months later, he returned again to his boss, 18 00:01:00,590 --> 00:01:02,206 and he said this time, 19 00:01:02,230 --> 00:01:05,726 "Let's do something about human rights in Burma," 20 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:06,950 as it was then called. 21 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:09,886 His boss once again paused 22 00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:13,926 and said, "Oh, but we can't do anything about human rights in Burma 23 00:01:13,950 --> 00:01:17,606 because we don't have any trade relations with Burma." 24 00:01:17,630 --> 00:01:19,286 (Laughter) 25 00:01:19,310 --> 00:01:21,406 This was the moment he knew he had to leave. 26 00:01:21,430 --> 00:01:23,790 It wasn't just the hypocrisy that got to him. 27 00:01:24,510 --> 00:01:27,766 It was the unwillingness of his government 28 00:01:27,790 --> 00:01:30,406 to engage in conflict with other governments, 29 00:01:30,430 --> 00:01:32,206 intense discussions, 30 00:01:32,230 --> 00:01:36,030 all the while, innocent people were being harmed. 31 00:01:36,950 --> 00:01:39,486 We are constantly told 32 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:41,590 that conflict is bad 33 00:01:42,224 --> 00:01:44,264 that compromise is good; 34 00:01:44,955 --> 00:01:46,646 that conflict is bad 35 00:01:46,670 --> 00:01:48,790 but consensus is good; 36 00:01:49,470 --> 00:01:51,686 that conflict is bad 37 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:54,270 and collaboration is good. 38 00:01:55,390 --> 00:01:56,686 But in my view, 39 00:01:56,710 --> 00:01:59,086 that's far too simple a vision of the world. 40 00:01:59,110 --> 00:02:01,006 We cannot know 41 00:02:01,030 --> 00:02:03,086 whether conflict is bad 42 00:02:03,110 --> 00:02:05,926 unless we know who is fighting, 43 00:02:05,950 --> 00:02:08,086 why they are fighting 44 00:02:08,110 --> 00:02:09,966 and how they are fighting. 45 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:13,446 And compromises can be thoroughly rotten 46 00:02:13,470 --> 00:02:16,150 if they harm people who are not at the table, 47 00:02:16,950 --> 00:02:19,365 people who are vulnerable, disempowered, 48 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:22,670 people whom we have an obligation to protect. 49 00:02:23,830 --> 00:02:26,886 Now, you might be somewhat skeptical of a lawyer 50 00:02:26,910 --> 00:02:30,086 arguing about the benefits of conflict 51 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:32,726 and creating problems for compromise, 52 00:02:32,750 --> 00:02:34,566 but I did also qualify as a mediator, 53 00:02:34,590 --> 00:02:37,870 and these days, I spend my time giving talks about ethics for free. 54 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:41,590 So as my bank manager likes to remind me, I'm downwardly mobile. 55 00:02:43,630 --> 00:02:46,646 But if you accept my argument, 56 00:02:46,670 --> 00:02:49,846 it should change not just the way we lead our personal lives, 57 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:52,190 which I wish to put to one side for the moment, 58 00:02:52,950 --> 00:02:56,726 but it will change the way we think about major problems 59 00:02:56,750 --> 00:02:59,510 of public health and the environment. 60 00:03:00,790 --> 00:03:01,990 Let me explain. 61 00:03:03,710 --> 00:03:06,086 Every middle schooler in the United States, 62 00:03:06,110 --> 00:03:08,766 my 12-year-old daughter included, 63 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:12,646 learns that there are three branches of government, 64 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:16,510 the legislative, the executive and the judicial branch. 65 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:18,606 James Madison wrote, 66 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:23,646 "If there is any principle more sacred in our Constitution, 67 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:26,406 and indeed in any free constitution, 68 00:03:26,430 --> 00:03:27,926 than any other, 69 00:03:27,950 --> 00:03:30,446 it is that which separates 70 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:34,590 the legislative, the executive and the judicial powers." 71 00:03:35,430 --> 00:03:38,686 Now, the framers were not just concerned 72 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:42,806 about the concentration and exercise of power. 73 00:03:42,830 --> 00:03:46,830 They also understood the perils of influence. 74 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:52,886 Judges cannot determine the constitutionality of laws 75 00:03:52,910 --> 00:03:56,686 if they participate in making those laws, 76 00:03:56,710 --> 00:04:00,646 nor can they hold the other branches of government accountable 77 00:04:00,670 --> 00:04:02,606 if they collaborate with them 78 00:04:02,630 --> 00:04:05,790 or enter into close relationships with them. 79 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:10,726 The Constitution is, as one famous scholar put it, 80 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:13,664 "an invitation to struggle." 81 00:04:14,490 --> 00:04:17,266 And we the people are served 82 00:04:17,290 --> 00:04:21,690 when those branches do, indeed, struggle with each other. 83 00:04:23,530 --> 00:04:27,106 Now, we recognize the importance of struggle 84 00:04:27,130 --> 00:04:30,026 not just in the public sector 85 00:04:30,050 --> 00:04:32,426 between our branches of government. 86 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:35,786 We also know it too in the private sector, 87 00:04:35,810 --> 00:04:38,410 in relationships among corporations. 88 00:04:39,610 --> 00:04:44,626 Let's imagine that two American airlines get together and agree 89 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:46,826 that they will not drop the price 90 00:04:46,850 --> 00:04:51,210 of their economy class airfares below 250 dollars a ticket. 91 00:04:51,850 --> 00:04:55,706 That is collaboration, some would say collusion, 92 00:04:55,730 --> 00:04:57,066 not competition, 93 00:04:57,090 --> 00:04:59,906 and we the people are harmed 94 00:04:59,930 --> 00:05:01,770 because we pay more for our tickets. 95 00:05:03,090 --> 00:05:05,346 Imagine similarly two airlines were to say, 96 00:05:05,370 --> 00:05:10,386 "Look, Airline A, we'll take the route from LA to Chicago," 97 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:13,586 and Airline B says, "We'll take the route from Chicago to DC, 98 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:15,066 and we won't compete." 99 00:05:15,090 --> 00:05:19,706 Once again, that's collaboration or collusion instead of competition, 100 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:22,450 and we the people are harmed. 101 00:05:24,130 --> 00:05:29,586 So we understand the importance of struggle 102 00:05:29,610 --> 00:05:33,850 when it comes to relationships between branches of government, 103 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:37,026 the public sector. 104 00:05:37,050 --> 00:05:40,466 We also understand the importance of conflict 105 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:44,826 when it comes to relationships among corporations, 106 00:05:44,850 --> 00:05:46,506 the private sector. 107 00:05:46,530 --> 00:05:49,106 But where we have forgotten it 108 00:05:49,130 --> 00:05:53,546 is in the relationships between the public and the private. 109 00:05:53,570 --> 00:05:57,266 And governments all over the world are collaborating with industry 110 00:05:57,290 --> 00:06:01,066 to solve problems of public health and the environment, 111 00:06:01,090 --> 00:06:04,066 often collaborating with the very corporations 112 00:06:04,090 --> 00:06:09,930 that are creating or exacerbating the problems they are trying to solve. 113 00:06:11,330 --> 00:06:14,906 We are told that these relationships 114 00:06:14,930 --> 00:06:16,610 are a win-win. 115 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:20,770 But what if someone is losing out? 116 00:06:22,530 --> 00:06:24,850 Let me give you some examples. 117 00:06:26,090 --> 00:06:29,586 A United Nations agency decided to address a serious problem: 118 00:06:29,610 --> 00:06:33,210 poor sanitation in schools in rural India. 119 00:06:34,450 --> 00:06:38,506 They did so not just in collaboration with national and local governments 120 00:06:38,530 --> 00:06:41,026 but also with a television company 121 00:06:41,050 --> 00:06:44,890 and with a major multinational soda company. 122 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:49,026 In exchange for less than one million dollars, 123 00:06:49,050 --> 00:06:53,426 that corporation received the benefits of a months-long promotional campaign 124 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:55,626 including a 12-hour telethon 125 00:06:55,650 --> 00:06:58,850 all using the company's logo and color scheme. 126 00:07:02,051 --> 00:07:03,571 This was an arrangement 127 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,016 which was totally understandable 128 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,976 from the corporation's point of view. 129 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,536 It enhances the reputation of the company 130 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,080 and it creates brand loyalty for its products. 131 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,976 But in my view, 132 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,696 this is profoundly problematic for the intergovernmental agency, 133 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,880 an agency that has a mission to promote sustainable living. 134 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,816 By increasing consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages 135 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,136 made from scarce local water supplies and drunk out of plastic bottles 136 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,176 in a country that is already grappling with obesity, 137 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,616 this is neither sustainable from a public health 138 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,536 nor an environmental point of view. 139 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,896 And in order to solve one public health problem, 140 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,216 the agency is sowing the seeds 141 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,440 of another. 142 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,576 This is just one example of dozens I discovered 143 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,696 in researching a book on the relationships between government and industry. 144 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,496 I could also have told you about the initiatives in parks 145 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,136 in London and throughout Britain, 146 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,560 involving the same company, promoting exercise, 147 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,216 or indeed of the British government creating voluntary pledges 148 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,416 in partnership with industry 149 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,176 instead of regulating industry. 150 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,856 These collaborations or partnerships have become the paradigm in public health, 151 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,936 and once again, they make sense from the point of view of industry. 152 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,576 It allows them to frame public health problems and their solutions 153 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,736 in ways that are least threatening to, 154 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,616 most consonant with their commercial interests. 155 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,216 So obesity becomes a problem 156 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,996 of individual decision-making, 157 00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:48,075 of personal behavior, 158 00:08:48,099 --> 00:08:51,276 personal responsibility and lack of physical activity. 159 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:53,396 It is not a problem, 160 00:08:53,420 --> 00:08:54,835 when framed this way, 161 00:08:54,859 --> 00:08:58,476 of a multinational food system involving major corporations. 162 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:00,156 And again, I don't blame industry. 163 00:09:00,180 --> 00:09:03,596 Industry naturally engages in strategies of influence 164 00:09:03,620 --> 00:09:06,100 to promote its commercial interests. 165 00:09:06,860 --> 00:09:10,116 But governments have a responsibility 166 00:09:10,140 --> 00:09:12,196 to develop counterstrategies 167 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:14,036 to protect us 168 00:09:14,060 --> 00:09:16,740 and the common good. 169 00:09:18,036 --> 00:09:19,713 I want to give you another example, 170 00:09:19,737 --> 00:09:21,924 moving from high-profile collaborations 171 00:09:21,948 --> 00:09:24,441 to something that is below ground, 172 00:09:24,465 --> 00:09:27,435 both literally and figuratively. 173 00:09:28,932 --> 00:09:30,937 And just before I do, I should mention, 174 00:09:30,961 --> 00:09:34,856 the mistake that governments are making 175 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,456 when they collaborate in this way 176 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,816 with industry 177 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,416 is that they conflate 178 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,256 the common good 179 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,480 with common ground. 180 00:09:46,580 --> 00:09:49,356 When you collaborate with industry, 181 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:52,196 you necessarily put off the table 182 00:09:52,220 --> 00:09:55,796 things that might promote the common good to which industry will not agree. 183 00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:58,596 Industry will not agree to increased regulation 184 00:09:58,620 --> 00:10:02,796 unless it believes this will stave off even more regulation 185 00:10:02,820 --> 00:10:06,060 or perhaps knock some competitors out of the market. 186 00:10:07,460 --> 00:10:09,756 Nor can companies agree to do certain things, 187 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:12,756 for example raise the prices of their unhealthy products, 188 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:14,916 because that would violate competition law, 189 00:10:14,940 --> 00:10:16,140 as we've established. 190 00:10:18,060 --> 00:10:21,276 So our governments should not confound 191 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:23,756 the common good and common ground, 192 00:10:23,780 --> 00:10:29,020 especially when common ground means reaching agreement with industry. 193 00:10:29,741 --> 00:10:33,459 So, again, to the example below ground, 194 00:10:33,483 --> 00:10:36,083 the hydraulic fracturing of natural gas. 195 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:40,236 Imagine that you purchase a plot of land 196 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:42,476 not knowing the mineral rights have been sold. 197 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:44,300 This is before the fracking boom. 198 00:10:45,580 --> 00:10:48,596 You build your dream home on that plot, 199 00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:50,236 and shortly afterwards, 200 00:10:50,260 --> 00:10:55,660 you discover that a gas company is building a well pad on your land. 201 00:10:56,260 --> 00:10:59,660 That was the plight of the Hallowich family. 202 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,536 Within a very short period of time, 203 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:07,776 they began to complain of headaches, 204 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,016 of sore throats, of itchy eyes, 205 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,856 in addition to the interference of the noise, vibration 206 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,016 and the bright lights from the flaring of natural gas. 207 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,360 They were very vocal in their criticisms, 208 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,840 and then they fell silent. 209 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,176 And thanks to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, where this image appeared, 210 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,056 and one other newspaper, we discovered why they fell silent. 211 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,776 The newspapers went to the court and said, "What happened to the Hallowiches?" 212 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,176 And it turned out the Hallowiches had made a secret settlement 213 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,096 with the gas operators, and it was a take-it-or-leave-it settlement. 214 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,376 The gas company said, 215 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,816 you can have a six-figure sum 216 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,976 to move elsewhere and start your lives again, 217 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,216 but in return 218 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,096 you must promise not to speak of your experience with our company, 219 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,696 not to speak of your experience with fracking, 220 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,440 not to speak about the health consequences 221 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,120 that might have been revealed by a medical examination. 222 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,056 Now, I do not blame the Hallowiches for accepting 223 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,896 a take-it-or-leave-it settlement 224 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,136 and starting their lives elsewhere. 225 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,376 And one can understand 226 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,376 why the company would wish to silence a squeaky wheel. 227 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,176 What I want to point the finger at is the legal and regulatory system, 228 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,656 a system in which there are networks of agreements 229 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,576 just like this one 230 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,160 which serve to silence people and seal off data points 231 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,736 from public health experts and epidemiologists, 232 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,376 a system in which regulators 233 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,536 will even refrain from issuing a violation notice 234 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:35,936 in the event of pollution 235 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,096 if the landowner and the gas company 236 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,696 agree to settle. 237 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,656 This is a system which isn't just bad from a public health point of view; 238 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,976 it exposes hazards to local families 239 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,200 who remain in the dark. 240 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,216 Now, I have given you two examples not because they are isolated examples. 241 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,736 They are examples of a systemic problem. 242 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,136 I could share some counterexamples, 243 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,136 the case for example of the public official 244 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,256 who sues the pharmaceutical company 245 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,896 for concealing the fact 246 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:15,496 that its antidepressant increases suicidal thoughts in adolescents. 247 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,416 I can tell you about the regulator who went after the food company 248 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,176 for exaggerating the purported health benefits of its yogurt. 249 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,656 And I can tell you about the legislator 250 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:30,976 who despite heavy lobbying directed at both sides of the aisle 251 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,920 pushes for environmental protections. 252 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,416 These are isolated examples, 253 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,616 but they are beacons of light in the darkness, 254 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,320 and they can show us the way. 255 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,800 I began by suggesting that sometimes we need to engage in conflict. 256 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,536 Governments should tussle with, 257 00:13:55,560 --> 00:14:01,360 struggle with, at times engage in direct conflict with corporations. 258 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,736 This is not because governments are inherently good 259 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,016 and corporations are inherently evil. 260 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,040 Each is capable of good or ill. 261 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,680 But corporations understandably act to promote their commercial interests, 262 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:25,656 and they do so either sometimes undermining or promoting the common good. 263 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,656 But it is the responsibility of governments 264 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,896 to protect and promote the common good. 265 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,616 And we should insist 266 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,040 that they fight to do so. 267 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:42,646 This is because governments 268 00:14:43,335 --> 00:14:44,735 are the guardians 269 00:14:45,581 --> 00:14:46,781 of public health; 270 00:14:47,924 --> 00:14:50,661 governments are the guardians 271 00:14:50,685 --> 00:14:52,551 of the environment; 272 00:14:52,575 --> 00:14:54,392 and it is governments 273 00:14:54,416 --> 00:14:55,713 that are guardians 274 00:14:55,737 --> 00:15:01,097 of these essential parts of our common good. 275 00:15:01,730 --> 00:15:02,946 Thank you. 276 00:15:02,970 --> 00:15:07,908 (Applause)