WEBVTT 00:00:00.099 --> 00:00:15.370 34C3 preroll music 00:00:15.370 --> 00:00:22.859 Herald Angel: The next talks – actually two talks – will be about, somehow about, 00:00:22.859 --> 00:00:28.900 saving the world and saving the environment. We will have two different 00:00:28.900 --> 00:00:35.050 ways of saving them and the first talk is "Saving the World with Space Solar Power". 00:00:35.050 --> 00:00:39.789 It's held by Stefan and Anja and they work as space engineers in Berlin at the 00:00:39.789 --> 00:00:47.539 Technical University. That talk will be followed by another approach which is 00:00:47.539 --> 00:00:54.699 introduced to you by Christoph. He has a PhD in theoretical physics and his former 00:00:54.699 --> 00:01:00.359 work was he was working with higher loop perturbation theory and supersymmetric 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:07.799 yang-mills theories and now he is doing airborne wind energy and that will be his 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:13.980 talk also. Please give the three of them a warm applause! 00:01:13.980 --> 00:01:25.730 Applause Anja Kohfeldt: Yeah hello! As you have 00:01:25.730 --> 00:01:29.690 heard today we are trying to save the world with introducing you to two very 00:01:29.690 --> 00:01:36.279 different approaches of sustainable energy generation. We are three, the three of us, 00:01:36.279 --> 00:01:42.279 and we start with Stefan. Stefan Junk: Yeah hello everyone. Thanks 00:01:42.279 --> 00:01:46.779 for having us here! Anja: And me with our talk about space 00:01:46.779 --> 00:01:52.419 solar power. Of course we have an outline and I will start the introduction with 00:01:52.419 --> 00:01:59.149 showing you this very nice picture. Here you see the earth at night also known as 00:01:59.149 --> 00:02:06.699 the black marble. It's a very interesting picture because it illuminates you or 00:02:06.699 --> 00:02:11.950 shows you where people live or at least where people have electric energy. But 00:02:11.950 --> 00:02:16.360 there is more information in this picture: When you start comparing these pictures 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:23.950 from different years, you also can see how certain regions are developing. And you 00:02:23.950 --> 00:02:28.691 also see where suddenly it gets dark, where there has been a catastrophe or a 00:02:28.691 --> 00:02:35.740 war or something like that. So the availability of electricity is an 00:02:35.740 --> 00:02:40.340 indicator for human development. We still have an increasing amount of power. This 00:02:40.340 --> 00:02:44.020 is also something we can see with that picture. But, unfortunately, currently 00:02:44.033 --> 00:02:49.800 this power demand is largely covered by fossil resources. So yes, we need 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:55.710 definitely renewable sustainable energy such as solar power, wind parks, water 00:02:55.710 --> 00:03:03.160 plants or even other solutions. The thing with terrestrial bound energy plans is 00:03:03.160 --> 00:03:09.670 that they are bound to a certain location on earth, normally, so you either need to 00:03:09.670 --> 00:03:14.720 decentralize them having a lot everywhere or you need a lot of the transfer 00:03:14.720 --> 00:03:20.121 infrastructure. The other thing is – especially when thinking about a wind or a 00:03:20.121 --> 00:03:26.550 solar power – that the availability is very varying and bound to certain 00:03:26.550 --> 00:03:31.540 conditions. So you need to store the energy. When coming, when talking about 00:03:31.540 --> 00:03:35.960 solar energy of course I mean we have the day/night cycle, we have the atmosphere, 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:44.400 so we have weather interferences. So why not go into space? There are some selling 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:48.421 arguments – or some really selling arguments – about space solar power: As I 00:03:48.421 --> 00:03:55.530 already said it's sustainable, because it's sun powered. Space generally is very 00:03:55.530 --> 00:04:05.520 very large, so we can build quite big structures without covering any space, any 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:14.140 area on earth. We are, it is possible to have some sunlight on our satellites up 00:04:14.140 --> 00:04:19.280 there all around the clock. And we don't have an atmosphere, so there is no 00:04:19.280 --> 00:04:23.910 weather. So space solar power promises to have an unlimited, constant and 00:04:23.910 --> 00:04:30.730 predictable energy source. That's cool! Good! In addition, we don't need that much 00:04:30.730 --> 00:04:37.020 infrastructure to distribute the power on earth. For example if you could compare 00:04:37.020 --> 00:04:43.020 that to a huge solar theater for example in the Sahara, you would need a lot of 00:04:43.020 --> 00:04:47.770 cables in order to get the power for example to Europe. This comes with some 00:04:47.770 --> 00:04:56.090 problems. But also if solving the problem of power transmission, you can get energy 00:04:56.090 --> 00:05:01.360 to very very remote locations on earth and you also can get the energy there quite 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:09.300 quickly. And of course the intervention in the landscape is … let's call it minimized 00:05:09.300 --> 00:05:16.060 to a certain way. This concept of space solar power actually isn't that young. 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:23.110 It's there's a pattern from Peter Glaser from the 70s who already proposed a method 00:05:23.110 --> 00:05:28.660 and apparatus for converting solar radiation to electrical power. And here 00:05:28.660 --> 00:05:33.710 you see – you yes there's a small red spot, I'm not sure whether you can see 00:05:33.710 --> 00:05:38.390 that – but you already see that he introduces all the components that are in 00:05:38.390 --> 00:05:43.100 need: Of course we need the earth, we need some large area for solar, for sun 00:05:43.110 --> 00:05:48.540 collection and we need some some antenna in order to transmit this power. Since the 00:05:48.540 --> 00:05:54.310 70s these concepts were actually discussed all along. Since then they where 00:05:54.310 --> 00:06:01.589 discussed. And the state of the art approach for that is called SPS Alpha 00:06:01.589 --> 00:06:05.650 which stands for "Solar Power Satellite by means of Arbitrarily Large Phased Array". 00:06:05.650 --> 00:06:12.750 It's the best-documented approach in that area which comes with a phase one study 00:06:12.750 --> 00:06:22.769 financed by NASA in 2011 and 12, and they suggest a satellite structure based on the 00:06:22.769 --> 00:06:27.300 geostationary orbit which is non moving gravity gradient stabilized. It's 00:06:27.300 --> 00:06:34.730 collecting the sun with a very very large mirror array and a transmitter power with 00:06:34.730 --> 00:06:40.560 a microwave beam. It looks like that for example – or it could look like that, like 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:47.900 a whine glass. It could look like a puddle, but there is three main components 00:06:47.900 --> 00:06:53.990 here: So we have the Sun Reflector Mirror – this is this very very large shape – 00:06:53.990 --> 00:07:01.690 these sun reflecting mirrors are made of actually solar sail material so extremely 00:07:01.690 --> 00:07:10.210 lightweight although they are so big. The core piece of this installation are the so 00:07:10.210 --> 00:07:18.380 called hex modules which you see here and they host both the solar array, the solar 00:07:18.380 --> 00:07:26.439 panels and the wireless power transmission modules. We come to that later. And then 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.579 of course you also need the structure which holds everything together. In 00:07:30.579 --> 00:07:36.810 addition to that you need some support structures like little robots combining, 00:07:36.810 --> 00:07:43.749 fixing, exchanging modules and so on, but they are not further discussed yet. But 00:07:43.749 --> 00:07:47.960 the NASA approach isn't the only one. There's also an approach from from JAXA. 00:07:47.960 --> 00:07:54.440 This is a Japanese Space Agency. They call their approach tethered SPS. It's also a 00:07:54.440 --> 00:08:00.470 gravity ground stabilized approach which you can see here. The idea is basically 00:08:00.470 --> 00:08:05.370 the same but they don't have the mirrors. Their selling argument is: You know our 00:08:05.370 --> 00:08:11.580 system is so simple, we're sure it will work somehow. But they also say that it's 00:08:11.580 --> 00:08:19.620 not as efficient as the other approaches. In addition there are Japanese scientists 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:26.780 involved in the SPS Alpha study. But what I think is most interesting there are also 00:08:26.780 --> 00:08:33.650 a lot of Japanese approaches driving forwards the wireless power transmission. 00:08:33.650 --> 00:08:39.899 Then there's a new – quite new – approach. This is from the Chinese space agency of 00:08:39.899 --> 00:08:45.189 CAST and they suggest a Multi-Rotary joints SPS, which you can see here. So 00:08:45.189 --> 00:08:52.550 here in this the yellow spot over here also is the transmission antenna. But they 00:08:52.550 --> 00:08:58.469 have their solar arrays bound in this structure which is approximately 10 00:08:58.469 --> 00:09:04.750 kilometers wide and they adjust the position of their solar panels according 00:09:04.750 --> 00:09:12.650 to the sun position. So this is how they try to increase the efficiency. There's 00:09:12.650 --> 00:09:21.950 also a paper from Europe which is quite old but I'm not aware of a current work on 00:09:21.950 --> 00:09:29.559 European ground here. If we summarize some of the core parameters of these three 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:35.399 documented or still discussed approaches, we come to this nice table. So we are 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:40.199 talking about a power transmission between 1 and 2 gigawatts. These entire structures 00:09:40.199 --> 00:09:48.989 have a mass of about 10,000 tons – metric tons – or even more. Yes the Japanese 00:09:48.989 --> 00:09:55.910 approach the antennas are quite big. We'll come to that later. This comes with a 00:09:55.910 --> 00:10:03.950 certain energy density, but the total efficiency of this of these approaches are 00:10:03.950 --> 00:10:08.849 calculated – and there's also a little bit of like a small wish list included. This 00:10:08.849 --> 00:10:15.809 total energy is in the range of more or less 20%. I put a question mark behind 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:19.229 this 25% of the JAXA approach, because they even said that they won't be as 00:10:19.229 --> 00:10:25.699 efficient as the others are. So don't take this number too serious. Maybe we must 00:10:25.699 --> 00:10:34.470 calculate it. Yes. With that with these three approaches, I would say problem 00:10:34.470 --> 00:10:52.249 solved, isn't it? Applause Stefan: .......concepts. But there are some major 00:10:52.249 --> 00:11:00.190 challenges we want to point out here. At first this is the attitude in orbit 00:11:00.190 --> 00:11:06.110 control so this station is in the geostationary orbit. There are several of 00:11:06.110 --> 00:11:12.400 the TV satellites doing the same and it's working quite well, but these TV 00:11:12.400 --> 00:11:18.949 satellites are about 1.8 metric tons and this station we're talking about is about 00:11:18.949 --> 00:11:28.520 10,000 tons or 9 to 25 thousand tons, so this is a huge difference. In the 00:11:28.520 --> 00:11:33.979 geostationary orbit it's not a big deal to rotate. It's very slow. So we just need to 00:11:33.979 --> 00:11:40.340 point to watch the earth to hit the designated point on earth we want to 00:11:40.340 --> 00:11:47.550 transfer the energy to. And then we have a phased array antenna, so these are these 00:11:47.550 --> 00:11:53.370 little modules you saw before to form a beam which points exactly to the receiving 00:11:53.370 --> 00:11:59.969 point at the earth for the energy. Another point is the the orbit control. This means 00:11:59.969 --> 00:12:05.259 the distance from Earth and the speed the station is traveling with. This is another 00:12:05.259 --> 00:12:14.009 point. This is already for TV satellites a little bit difficult to do. And now we 00:12:14.009 --> 00:12:20.790 have, as I said, this one thousand metric tons station to lift up to the right 00:12:20.790 --> 00:12:28.119 distance or to accelerate. There are several forces trying to push us out of 00:12:28.119 --> 00:12:33.700 the exact orbit and we would lose the exact spot we want to point at. And there 00:12:33.700 --> 00:12:39.800 is the lunar gravity, the sun gravity or solar gravity, and the flattened poles of 00:12:39.800 --> 00:12:43.840 the earth. You know the earth is not a perfect sphere, is more imperfect, is more 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:51.020 like a donut. You have flattened points at the poles which disturb the gravity field. 00:12:51.020 --> 00:12:56.669 There are solar winds and radiation pressure. Solar wind comes from the Sun. 00:12:56.669 --> 00:13:01.789 These are particles hitting the station and pushing it out of the orbit. And there 00:13:01.789 --> 00:13:08.679 is radiation pressure, the same that comes from deep space. This station is huge. So 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:13.730 you have a huge surface. This is different from the most TV satellites. So we have to 00:13:13.730 --> 00:13:19.490 overcome this. Luckily, we have nearly unlimited energy with this station, and we 00:13:19.490 --> 00:13:24.239 can use electrical thruster. So we don't need any fuel or propellant. Maybe a 00:13:24.239 --> 00:13:30.439 little bit propellant to bring up to the station. Another point is the power 00:13:30.439 --> 00:13:36.389 transmission. I think this is the most critical point. As I said, it's in a 00:13:36.389 --> 00:13:42.029 geostationary orbit and I have an example here. I chose the MR SPS because the 00:13:42.029 --> 00:13:47.789 numbers are so round, but most of the concepts are similar, as you saw before. 00:13:47.789 --> 00:13:55.389 So I think about a 1GW output station. And in the picture on the right and chopped 00:13:55.389 --> 00:14:00.329 you can see the yellow point is the standing antenna. This would be about 00:14:00.329 --> 00:14:10.379 1.000 meter in diameter. So this is about 110 soccer fields placed in space. This 00:14:10.379 --> 00:14:18.430 antenna is sending a microwave beam with 2.45 GHz or 5.8 GH. These frequencies are 00:14:18.430 --> 00:14:24.560 chosen because of the low attenuation or damping in the atmosphere. We want to 00:14:24.560 --> 00:14:32.719 transfer the most energy. And this beam hits at the receiving antenna, or in the 00:14:32.719 --> 00:14:39.329 literature called the Rectenna. And this Rectenna is going to be about 5.000 meters 00:14:39.329 --> 00:14:49.330 in diameter. This is 2.750 soccer fields, or about 20 times the Messe Leipzig area. 00:14:49.330 --> 00:14:55.259 So you can imagine this is a big deal. If you think about wind parks are ugly, then 00:14:55.259 --> 00:15:02.699 maybe you think about this area. OK, so you can read more about if you like in the 00:15:02.699 --> 00:15:09.210 references. We have a link to this. Now, I guess you wonder about the efficiency of 00:15:09.210 --> 00:15:14.259 this. Anja talked about it already a little bit. I have the subsystems here 00:15:14.259 --> 00:15:18.850 including, and I think the most important part is this microwave beam. This is the 00:15:18.850 --> 00:15:23.609 third position, and this is actually not tested. So this is just a calculated 00:15:23.609 --> 00:15:32.159 number. These 85% or 90% to 95% is just from the studies we read. Current tests 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:38.559 are more in the area of 1% or a few percent. And most studies are not really 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:45.400 certain about the total efficiency. So we have 18% to 24% with these numbers. And 00:15:45.400 --> 00:15:53.609 from other studies we have 13% to 25%. So this is most calculated. So now you would 00:15:53.609 --> 00:15:58.849 wonder if wouldn't laser work for this? Or microwave beep sounds nice and you have 00:15:58.849 --> 00:16:03.390 this nice receiving antenna. But a laser would be much smaller, I guess. So, yes, 00:16:03.390 --> 00:16:11.279 basically you could use laser for this. And it would have a much higher energy 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.709 density. So you could hit a really smaller spot on the earth to receive the energy. 00:16:15.709 --> 00:16:21.599 You don't have this 5 kilometers receiving antenna. But most of the research 00:16:21.599 --> 00:16:27.271 institutes don't want to talk about lasers. I think it's just a little bit too 00:16:27.271 --> 00:16:33.889 obvious that you have some … Laughter 00:16:33.889 --> 00:16:41.249 Stefan: OK, so this is the most technical things, I think. 00:16:41.249 --> 00:16:46.189 Anja: The other question is, who is gonna pay for that? And if we talk about this 00:16:46.189 --> 00:16:51.349 extremely large structures that have to be built, and since they're also are meant to 00:16:51.349 --> 00:16:57.480 be in the geostationary orbit where we have a certain radiation force, and we 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:02.340 want these components to operate for quite a long time, they are usually quite 00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:07.819 expensive and geting all the certification for sending them up there is also very 00:17:07.819 --> 00:17:12.310 expensive. Somehow the SPS Alpha approach has thought about that, and they are 00:17:12.310 --> 00:17:21.089 aiming at, although the numbers are varying very much, at a material cost of $ 00:17:21.089 --> 00:17:32.030 250 per kilogram, which still is some billion dollars. And it is also a wish 00:17:32.030 --> 00:17:38.670 list. So they are aiming for this number in their third approach where they think 00:17:38.670 --> 00:17:41.600 that they already have the mass production, and have the certification, 00:17:41.600 --> 00:17:47.339 and the engineering and development cost all covered up already. There's another 00:17:47.339 --> 00:17:50.509 thing and this is the launch cost. So we are talking about a structure which is 00:17:50.509 --> 00:18:03.030 maybe 10 thousand tonnes large, or heavy. Again, the SPS Alpha guys, they hope that 00:18:03.030 --> 00:18:08.080 they could launch a kilo for $600 into the low-earth orbit, and continue from the 00:18:08.080 --> 00:18:13.669 low-earth orbit into the geostationary orbit with electrical truck trusters. OK, 00:18:13.669 --> 00:18:20.269 maybe if the BFR rocket will be available for the price of the Falcon 9, maybe. But 00:18:20.269 --> 00:18:26.690 this also would take some time. Just a reality check right now, for the prices 00:18:26.690 --> 00:18:32.450 the SpaceX provides on their site, the Falcon Heavy which was erected today, I 00:18:32.450 --> 00:18:37.240 don't know whether you have heard that, so also the Falcon Heavy has not flown yet. 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:44.079 But SpaceX hopes that they could sell the the Falcon Heavy for 90 million dollars in 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:49.990 order to lift 26 tons into geostationary orbit. But that would be approximately 400 00:18:49.990 --> 00:18:56.590 launches for such a structure as the SPS Alpha, and also would cost some tens of 00:18:56.590 --> 00:19:00.630 billion dollars. Additioned to that, there are some other costs like the initial 00:19:00.630 --> 00:19:05.081 orbit installation cost which comes with 11 billion dollars, and an operation of a 00:19:05.081 --> 00:19:11.369 100 million a year. So it's quite expensive and probably this is also one of 00:19:11.369 --> 00:19:18.289 the reasons why we don't have space solar power, yet. But still, I mean, we have 00:19:18.289 --> 00:19:25.789 technical problems, this is just money, maybe it's also solvable, isn't it? 00:19:25.789 --> 00:19:28.900 Stefan: Yeah, so you know about the concept, you know about the challenges, 00:19:28.900 --> 00:19:34.440 and let's assume we can overcome these challenges, and someone is funding this 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:42.510 big station. I think, there are some considerations about if we want to do 00:19:42.510 --> 00:19:53.690 this. And at first, so this beam is, you need a precision of about one 10.000ths of 00:19:53.690 --> 00:20:00.760 a degree plus minus to hit the spot at the earth. So this is like you want to hit a 00:20:00.760 --> 00:20:08.460 hazelnut of a 100 meters from a station flying with 3 kilometers per second. If 00:20:08.460 --> 00:20:14.209 there's something goes wrong and the beam is hitting the wrong spot, maybe, you 00:20:14.209 --> 00:20:19.500 know, it's not a good idea. Or if some of the antennas are not working well, the 00:20:19.500 --> 00:20:24.880 beam is not forming right, and it's straying somewhere. So this is one point. 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:32.640 Let's assume everything works well, and the beam is still going through the space, 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:38.180 and it's going through the atmosphere. And there are some other satellites going. 00:20:38.180 --> 00:20:43.110 Maybe, for an accident, they go through the beam. What happens then? Or, if you 00:20:43.110 --> 00:20:47.559 can't, or by accident, and the airplane goes through the beam. So it's not even 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:51.960 allowed to turn on your phone on the airplane. You can imagine what happens if 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:57.180 this beam with 50 watts per square meter hits the airplane. I don't want to sit in 00:20:57.180 --> 00:21:03.399 this. And then you can't avoid the animals, birds, insects, whatever go 00:21:03.409 --> 00:21:09.489 through the beam. And maybe you have a same imagination like I have, or we have. 00:21:09.489 --> 00:21:11.610 Soft laughter Stefan: And it looks a little bit like 00:21:11.610 --> 00:21:15.830 this maybe. Laughter 00:21:15.830 --> 00:21:22.059 Stefan: It sounds pretty scary, I think. Doesn't it a little bit sound like an 00:21:22.059 --> 00:21:29.380 energy weapon? So we thought about: OK 50 watts per square meter; it's not like a 00:21:29.380 --> 00:21:36.719 nuclear weapon, but still it could harm a lot. There is a high energy density, and 00:21:36.719 --> 00:21:42.640 you can really fast readjust this beam. So you can point it in 1 second to the 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:47.260 receiving antenna, and the next second, you can just point it to some city, and a 00:21:47.260 --> 00:21:55.670 second later, you point it just back. It's really fast to change. It's not really 00:21:55.670 --> 00:22:03.470 defendable. I mean, you can sit in the bunker and try to hide, and maybe put your 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:14.380 aluminum hat on. After all it's useful. Applause 00:22:14.380 --> 00:22:20.970 Stefan: But still, this thing is 24/7 on, so it could hit your bunker all the time. 00:22:20.970 --> 00:22:30.951 And last year, there's a lot of interest from military institutions. So this is, I 00:22:30.951 --> 00:22:36.549 think it's a bit scary. OK. And then you would ask: But it's legal to install this 00:22:36.549 --> 00:22:45.460 kind of application? So basically, yeah. You see, there is already the United 00:22:45.460 --> 00:22:50.339 Nations Outer Space Treaty. It was first signed from the Russian Federation, and 00:22:50.339 --> 00:22:56.279 the United Kingdom, and the United States. And now it's in the United Nations 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:03.100 treaties and most of the other countries signed it, too. It's about all the 00:23:03.100 --> 00:23:11.440 activities of States in the space. What does it say about this case here? And it 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.930 says, there are no nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction allowed 00:23:15.930 --> 00:23:22.879 in outer space. As always, there's a backdoor. If you install a military object 00:23:22.879 --> 00:23:30.700 in outer space with a scientific reason, then it's allowed again. So another point 00:23:30.700 --> 00:23:39.470 is in this treaty you must not influence the earth environment at all. There are no 00:23:39.470 --> 00:23:43.829 real studies about this. I have a feeling it's going to influence somehow the 00:23:43.829 --> 00:23:50.890 environment, but I'm not sure about this – I'm not a lawyer. So finally this all this 00:23:50.890 --> 00:23:55.179 funding and this technology and the knowledge is necessary, so it's only 00:23:55.179 --> 00:24:02.300 possible by some few states to build this. And how do you prevent that certain 00:24:02.300 --> 00:24:09.629 leaders of states or whoever's want to build this is misuse this technology. So I 00:24:09.629 --> 00:24:13.800 can't give you an answer on that, but I think there are some who shouldn't have 00:24:13.800 --> 00:24:21.430 this. Yeah and you maybe you can think about this after the talk. And now we have 00:24:21.430 --> 00:24:31.989 some take-home words for you from Anja. Anja: So yes, the concepts are existing 00:24:31.989 --> 00:24:37.869 and we don't say that they should not be discussed and that they are entirely evil. 00:24:37.869 --> 00:24:46.130 They it's technologically feasible – at least that that's proposed some studies –, 00:24:46.130 --> 00:24:51.200 but I mean it's still challenging: The technology is not there yet, but the moral 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:56.650 questions are still open. So yes it's still pretty science-fiction and as I said 00:24:56.650 --> 00:25:01.589 we don't say it's we should not do that at all, but at least we should think about it 00:25:01.589 --> 00:25:08.779 and be critical with this kind or also with other new technologies. So but right 00:25:08.779 --> 00:25:15.909 now, maybe, we should think about: Is there another solution to this energy 00:25:15.909 --> 00:25:27.210 problem? 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