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Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.00,0:00:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[//// PLEASE DO NOT ALTER THE NUMBER OF LINES][Vance Stevens] Welcome everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.00,0:00:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Vance Stevens in Abu Dhabi and we're in a Learning 2gether session on June 23rd, 2013.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.00,0:00:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have an interesting story about how this session started.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.00,0:00:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suppose I should let the participants introduce themselves, but very briefly:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.00,0:00:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going to be talking about a MOOC, LTIS13, a cMOOC that found Learning 2gether
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.00,0:00:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we can talk a little bit about how that happened and how this session came about.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.00,0:00:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we'd like to welcome our participants.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.00,0:00:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure if I might leave somebody out, but we've got Fabrizio Bartoli and we've got Luisella Mori and Gioachino
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.00,0:01:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, I suppose, all participants of the MOOC, and we've got Lucia - let's see, she's also - Bartolotti - Lucia Bartollotti.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.00,0:01:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if anybody else is here, they can introduce themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.00,0:01:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rita has joined us from Argentina and Claire has joined us from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.00,0:01:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, let the people in LTIS13 introduce themselves. How are you today?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.00,0:01:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Fabrizio Bartoli] Hello everybody, I'm Fabrizio Bartoli and I'm a teacher.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.00,0:01:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I teach English as a foreign language here, in Acireale with children between 11 and 13 at the scuola media.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.00,0:01:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I joined this MOOC a few weeks ago and - we're going to talk about it in a few minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.00,0:02:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I leave the mike to Luisa maybe.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.00,0:02:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or Lucia, do you want to introduce yourself?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.00,0:02:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't - I can go on, but I think we're having a round in introducing ourselves, am I right?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.00,0:02:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance Stevens] Yeah: let's -- anybody who wants to speak, introduce themselves and say why you're here.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.00,0:02:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That includes Rita and anybody else just joining us.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.00,0:02:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude Almansi] Sono Claude e -- I am Claude and I am also a participant in the LTIS13 MOOC.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.00,0:02:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll leave the mike to someone else as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.00,0:03:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Luisella Mori] I'm Luisella from Italy and I'm also a participant in this MOOC.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.00,0:03:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance Stevens] OK, well, I'll tell the interesting story about how LTIS13 found Learning 2gether.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.00,0:03:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Errh, as you know, I just ported all our Posterous recordings, our archives of Learning 2gether into WordPress
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.00,0:03:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was - yes, oh, Lucia, now we didn't hear you. Let me get you to introduce yourself, you press the Talk button.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.00,0:03:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Talk button is just below the big black space: it probably says "Vance Stevens" on it right now. So you can try. Go ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.00,0:03:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lucia Bartolotti] OK, now -- Oh yes, now you can hear me: I can see the icon of the microphone.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.00,0:04:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, this is Lucia from Trieste, which is in the North of Italy.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.00,0:04:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm very glad to be here and let's see what we can do together.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.00,0:04:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance Stevens] Great, OK. So nice to meet all of you.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.00,0:04:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a feature in WordPress that allows people -- well, first of all, I should say that I'm getting quite --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.00,0:04:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I started the WordPress blog -- I'm getting a lot of spam posts.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.00,0:04:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm a little bit wary about things that are coming to my e-mail.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.00,0:04:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of those things that started coming was I found people from this MOOC were reposting my blogs
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.00,0:04:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wasn't sure why they might do that -- maybe I can find the link with the comments in a moment, where you can see how it happened --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.00,0:04:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I didn't understand what they were doing, but Lucia came -- commented on my comment and explained that they had just started this MOOC.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.00,0:05:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they seemed like friendly people, as cMOOC people are, so --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.00,0:05:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are a MOOC-like kind of group, we have something called Electronic Village Online,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.00,0:05:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you surely, from Italy, are welcome to join us.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.00,0:05:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can talk more about that later, but it's a serious of lots of -- it's been going on since 2001, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.00,0:05:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for the last 10 years, there have been annual sessions, but we can tell you more about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.00,0:05:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's kind of a MOOC, so we're -- the people in our group are trying very much to share information with one another across the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.00,0:05:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, that's how we hooked up and Lucia and Fabrizio and Luisella and Claude and Gioachino - I'm sorry I'm mispronouncing this --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.00,0:06:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in any event, they all participated in the MOOC and they agreed to come and join us to tell us more about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.00,0:06:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think that's what Fabrizio is going to start to do right now. (6:07)
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.00,0:06:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Fabrizio] I happened to reblog a post with an interesting webinar and...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.00,0:06:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what I usually do, I mean, I just find something interesting on the Web
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.00,0:06:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- it might be a webinar , or a resource or a tutorial about a Web tool -
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.00,0:06:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and either I bookmark on Diigo and then share it with my -- with the group, I mean, or on my blog.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.00,0:06:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was in this - it is a group-- a MOOC and it is a Diigo group as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.00,0:06:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I thought they might be interested in joining.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.00,0:07:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just did it. It was a bit naive maybe, but I just reblogged it without any comments.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.00,0:07:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after that I thought, OK, it was a bit rude of me, not saying anything, why and all this stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.00,0:07:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You hardly ever have the time to do all that ... you just, you know,click the button and go on to the next thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.00,0:07:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was, it was nice, it was -- you know, we had the chance to meet together
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.00,0:07:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I had the chance to meet Vance again, because I followed one of his webinars with the EVO session this year
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.00,0:07:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I thought it was a great chance to put the two things together, two really big events. And with really experienced people.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.00,0:08:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance Stevens] Well, I'm quite interested in your MOOC, and especially this document that you and Lucia - and Claude I believe - have been working on
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.00,0:08:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's the one that's on the screen - on the webshare right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.00,0:08:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you scroll through it, you can find that -- let me read something from it if I can find it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.00,0:08:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a philosophy: "Who should join this MOOC?" Let me see if I can find it, just scrolling down.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.00,0:08:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's worth commenting on if I - I'm getting way down here. Here we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.00,0:08:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Potential inhabitants of the MOOC:
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.00,0:08:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who fear everything will disappear if they press the wrong key: this village is for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.00,0:08:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who are thinking 'Where the deuce are the instructions?'
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.00,0:08:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, they don't have to like this method, maybe this method is not for them."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.00,0:08:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[paraphrasing] There are different ways to do these things... They might decide to go somewhere else, but this is a rich and varied way of working.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.00,0:09:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"On the contrary, those who are fed up with strict instructions"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.00,0:09:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[paraphrasing] who will see different points of view and engage in critical thinking, will like this MOOC.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.00,0:09:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Those who already know it all don't really need to be here", of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.00,0:09:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like the way that's expressed.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.00,0:09:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Those who think they're going to get some university credits here", they're wasting their time anyway. [quote marks checked] So
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.00,0:09:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see that there is a philosophy here that's very much in keeping with George Siemens's philosophy of MOOC.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.00,0:09:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says that he likes this way of teaching, because he thinks that chaos is necessary in learning
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.00,0:09:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and where, as you've said, where the instructions are already there,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.00,0:09:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,George Siemens says that the instructor is setting the paths for the student to walk and the student learns better if the student finds his own path.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.00,0:10:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's one of-- his famous philosophy in an interview he gave with Howard Rheingold, he expressed it like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.00,0:10:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, well, tell us more about your MOOC: how did your MOOC get started, and - oh, someone has just shifted the screen over to Learning 2gether,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.00,0:10:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is what we're doing right now: this event, you can see, is our June 23rd event that's announced here.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.00,0:10:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, how did you start the MOOC? How did you come to participate in it? What did you learn from it? And so on. (10:34)
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.00,0:10:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lucia] OK, so I'll start. I'm a member of teachers' network, which is called "La scuola che funziona"
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.00,0:10:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- in English it is "the school that works" -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.00,0:10:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they sent a newsletter, informing all members that this thing was going to start.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.00,0:10:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just registered.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.00,0:11:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't expect anything because I was sure I would leave in a couple of days.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.00,0:11:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said "Well, I'm just going to lurk and see what happens," and then I got hooked.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.00,0:11:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is very much the philosophy of our professor. He said sometime during the course:
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.00,0:11:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We want to hook our students, and then to hold them, and then to launch them into new worlds.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.00,0:11:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the only way we can convince them to face the challenge and try and learn.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.00,0:11:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is very true for all students, even our students, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.00,0:11:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On to somebody else. [11.51]
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.00,0:11:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Fabrizio] I don't know if anybody else would like to have a go with the microphone?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.00,0:12:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise I can go on.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.00,0:12:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got to know about this MOOC because I was in another university course with University Line, "Lingue nella rete"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.00,0:12:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they advertised the MOOC, it sounded interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.00,0:12:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the first one I actually had seen here in Italy.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.00,0:12:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said: "Why not?"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.00,0:12:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as I tried to explain in my "impressions" that I -- posted them beforehand --
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.00,0:12:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was really different from any former experiences of MOOCs. (12:45)
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.00,0:12:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here, you had no fixed assignments, no -- very flexible times and as I said, a lot of talking
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.00,0:13:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nice talking, very high quality talking about things that mattered for education,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.00,0:13:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the philosophy behind what we do when we use technology and when we try to integrate technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.00,0:13:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of coding, which was something really new to me and I'm-- am willing to learn.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.00,0:13:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a hard job.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.00,0:13:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a lot of people with a great experience behind, so, really a lot to learn, I mean.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.00,0:13:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] You're probably familiar with the -- the videos of Dave Cormier.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.00,0:13:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's put up videos about how a MOOC progresses,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.00,0:13:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example it starts off with declaring your intentions, why you are there in the MOOC.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.00,0:13:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he works through orienting in the MOOC,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.00,0:14:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then networking with other people, eventually collaborating with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.00,0:14:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says that the main thing that you take away from a MOOC is the network.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.00,0:14:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I find that to be so true: when I interact in a MOOC, I generally meet people that I didn't know before.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.00,0:14:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you find that to be true? I mean, your network --
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.00,0:14:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, one reason I'm interested is that is because our networks collided at the WordPress blog and that brought us together.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.00,0:14:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, here again, we increase our network, we find like-minded people
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.00,0:14:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in other places that, you know, that gives us other people to follow and to learn more about what they do
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.00,0:14:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to bring them as -- how learning together works.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.00,0:14:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, did you find that you met a lot of new people in the cMOOC that you just finished?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.00,0:14:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you know each other before, the people who are here now, or did you meet just in the MOOC?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.00,0:15:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Fabrizio] Ah no. Personally I didn't know anybody: I didn't know Lucia, didn't know Claude, Luisella
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.00,0:15:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or, you know, Andreas, who is the teacher and a super teacher (15:13)
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.00,0:15:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nobody at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.00,0:15:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a pleasure because being an English teacher, I'm always searching for English resources,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.00,0:15:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,English websites and in English language and having to do with technology and -- it's exactly the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.00,0:15:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now I'm finding out that there are lots of resources thanks to this MOOC and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.00,0:15:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's true Claude: we had a ..very strong chat on the Google Drive, talking about the Italian resources and--- we'll keep on later.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.00,0:16:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think, yes, things are improving a lot in Italy and there are a lot of people I didn't even know of and they are doing a good job. (16:08)
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.00,0:16:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a very important chance to meet other people here in Italy,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.00,0:16:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing-- getting interested and involved in technology and online courses.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.00,0:16:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Do you find that, as an English teacher in Italy, do you find it hard to, in your context, let's say, that is where you speak English
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.00,0:16:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of you could address this.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.00,0:16:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, you're an English teacher. I don't really know what the others do.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.00,0:16:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Were the people in the MOOC mostly English teachers or the --
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.00,0:16:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, Rita teaches English, Claire teaches English, I'm an English teacher.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.00,0:17:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we're like-minded in that way and we expand our networks through participation in MOOCs, and also in learning 2gether,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.00,0:17:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in a community we call WebHeads, and other communities that we follow as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.00,0:17:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TESOL for example, Teachers of [English to] Speakers of Other Languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.00,0:17:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I met Claire first through that, many, many years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.00,0:17:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, do you find that it's difficult to connect with like-minded teachers if you don't use a MOOC
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.00,0:17:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the MOOC -- did it, you know, expand your horizons to find out there other people who thought like you? [17.35]
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.00,0:17:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lucia] Well, there are a couple of questions there.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.00,0:17:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I already knew a few of my colleagues, here in the MOOC but the vast majority was unknown to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.00,0:17:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the vast majority was not made of teachers of English.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.00,0:18:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think most of them are teachers from primary school,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.00,0:18:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because primary school teachers are very innovative here in Italy,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.00,0:18:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're very active and creative,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.00,0:18:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so they like joining in and sharing new ideas, they are very interactive, so to speak,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.00,0:18:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But interaction in the cMOOC started from the start.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.00,0:18:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I need to explain a little how it worked so that your guests can understand how it did work,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.00,0:18:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it started from the professor's blog.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.00,0:18:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He already had his blog and he used it to give us the first instructions.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.00,0:18:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the interesting thing is that at the second post he published, there were as many as, I think, 260-something comments.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.00,0:19:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people already started interacting there.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.00,0:19:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they would - they would speak to each other through comments,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.00,0:19:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example: "Oh you Davide, comment number so and so, I would like to tell you this and that."
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.00,0:19:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So interaction started from the very start.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.00,0:19:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was very interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.00,0:19:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Did you find the comments overwhelming?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.00,0:19:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I notice -- I'm just looking at the figures: there were almost 500 people, thousands of comments.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.00,0:19:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you keep up with so many comments?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.00,0:19:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or do you find that you can't keep up with so many comments?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.00,0:19:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the things -- one of the steps in the MOOC that Cormier points out is where you cluster.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.00,0:19:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, you find half a dozen or a dozen people that you start interacting with in the MOOC, and forget the other 450.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.00,0:19:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you find it worked that way? [19.59]
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.00,0:20:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Fabrizio] I got lost at -- right from the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.00,0:20:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it took me a while to see how it worked and all of this, the mail, the chat, the Diigo group and --
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.00,0:20:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's quite complicated in a way, very difficult to get in touch with all of the participants. (20:26)
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.00,0:20:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've got a huge amount of posts and if you don't have enough time,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.00,0:20:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's quite difficult to keep in touch with everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.00,0:20:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lucia] Well...[metallic-like noise].
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.00,0:20:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry: that was an ambulance going by.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.00,0:21:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, yes. Well, we're adults, so we all have families and we have jobs
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.00,0:21:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was the end of the school year.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.00,0:21:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it is really remarkable that we spent so many hours doing the cMooc.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.00,0:21:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really professor Formiconi had us hooked. [21.15]
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.00,0:21:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] He sounds like a great teacher.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.00,0:21:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just reading again, to the bottom of your list
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.00,0:21:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what the cMooc, "A few figures" -- and I noticed that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.00,0:21:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people did it for a university credit.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.00,0:21:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one of -- that's an issue in Moocs is -- it's supposed to be a Massive Open Online Course
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.00,0:21:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's perfectly fine if you want to run one that will accredit people.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.00,0:21:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's actually one of the problems, that Moocs don't provide credit
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.00,0:21:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so people are looking into badge systems and
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.00,0:21:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course, if you can run it through a university
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.00,0:21:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get university credits that's fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.00,0:22:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the question is, are the materials open, that is,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.00,0:22:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can anybody... I suppose so, you must have had 430 people
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.00,0:22:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were able to go freely onto the Internet and find the materials.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.00,0:22:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[22.11] So are those materials still up there
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.00,0:22:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which case they will be open and anybody can go and look at them
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.00,0:22:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and learn from them? Is that the way the course works?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.00,0:22:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lucia] Well, there weren't any separate materials.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.00,0:22:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were the posts that professor Formiconi published
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.00,0:22:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he gave us his instructions there and he commented on what we were doing and how we were doing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.00,0:22:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[22.43 ] We worked through comments maybe, as you can see from the numbers there
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.00,0:22:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the material was made by us, the pupils.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.00,0:22:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we were instructed to create..
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.00,0:23:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He used this metaphor of the village
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.00,0:23:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said: Ok, we are going to build the village all together.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.00,0:23:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the village we're going to build houses, and the houses will be blogs that we're going to create
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.00,0:23:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we're going to build roads, and this will be via a web feed aggregator.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.00,0:23:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we learned to import an OPML file and to aggregate the news from the blogs
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.00,0:23:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[23.32] to link the blogs together and so we had a network
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.00,0:23:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we didn't need any other material, in that everybody started writing on their blogs
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.00,0:23:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we kept going around and visiting and reading and commenting
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.00,0:23:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then professor Formiconi introduced the next thing, or the next task which was to use tags
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.00,0:24:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he presented us with the idea of classifying the information
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.00,0:24:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wrote a long philosophical work about classifying and how you classify,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.00,0:24:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what folksonomia is and so on, so we started classifying quite freely. [24.13]
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.00,0:24:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then something kept on emerging - kept on emerging.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.00,0:24:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it was creative. It was chaotic on the one side but very clearly structured at the same time on the other side.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.00,0:24:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I hope I've been clear about how the thing went on.[24.39]
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.00,0:24:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Fabrizio] I agree with Lucia and I just wanted to say thanks again---
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.00,0:24:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a bit shocking at the beginning, the difference between this Mooc and the others.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.00,0:25:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't even dare to ask where are the assignments and where is the syllabus,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.00,0:25:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there wasn't a blog or a Moodle block where you have all the assignments divided in weeks and all the rest,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.00,0:25:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the usual way you find in an online course or in a Mooc.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.00,0:25:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It looked, it seemed very improvised. I'm sure it wasn't, but that was the way they chose.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.00,0:25:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[25.34] Having things to ...- how can I say - to grow along.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.00,0:25:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had to find our way through the course, we had to pick up that pulse with the right assignments
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.00,0:25:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and try to do it by yourself
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.00,0:26:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There wasn't even...as far as I know,a proper evaluation or assessment
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.00,0:26:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no fixed days,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.00,0:26:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, first week you do this, second week you do that and then you get graded
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.00,0:26:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and things are going on, now, we keep doing that, that's a great thing, it never stops.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.00,0:26:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yes, actually, Lucia's question was she making things clear: yes,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.00,0:26:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the course as I understand is over, We are coming into summer now, so...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.00,0:26:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you're continuing to meet in your community, your community continues, that's really interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.00,0:26:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a question about the OPML aggregation:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.00,0:27:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how would you access each other's blogs? Is there a link where the aggregation occurred,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.00,0:27:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that you could go to one place and see the posts?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.00,0:27:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How would you see the aggregation of everybody's blogs? How did you see that?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.00,0:27:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Can I try? The OPML file gathers all the RSS feeds of our blogs,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.00,0:27:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so when you add that OPML file to an aggregator, for example Bloglines or RSSowl
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.00,0:27:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you could see everything that's happening in the blogs,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.00,0:27:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there's a feed for the posts, and a feed for the comments for each blog.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.00,0:27:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a very long file, but it works. Is that clear?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.00,0:28:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yes, that's clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.00,0:28:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I'm going to really miss Google Reader. They're threatening to get rid of it, but that's what I would, erh --
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.00,0:28:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because with Google Reader you can... I suppose you can use an OPML file, within Bloglines, yes, OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.00,0:28:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So... Yes, I can see how you can use an RSS reader to read an OPML file into your... into a reader.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.00,0:28:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's very good, that's... getting the basics.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.00,0:28:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then -- yes, ok, anything that aggregates content, anything that will take an RSS feed, I think you can put it there.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.00,0:28:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's really good, that you got the building block, and then you learned how to build on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.00,0:29:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I also liked, as you said, I like the analogy of building the cities and then the streets connecting them
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.00,0:29:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's ... that's really interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.00,0:29:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It sounds very much like what George Siemens would set up
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.00,0:29:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one thing that fascinates me about Moocs is,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.00,0:29:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course the big problem is, Where is the centre? Where do you go, that's what Fabrizio has been expressing,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.00,0:29:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confusion at first. How do you orient in a Mooc?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.00,0:29:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to find the streets, you have to find the the ways... the highways that people are using
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.00,0:29:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course you can't find it all, which, that's the way the world is, you don't ever learn everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.00,0:29:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[29.46] So, anyway, if you can speak of any techniques that helped you to find the things that other people were doing
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.00,0:29:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the OPML file would be one, you could see their blog posts
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.00,0:29:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I note that you must have shared bookmarks.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.00,0:30:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You said 990 tags produced: so, can you tell me about that?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.00,0:30:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What were -- you were tagging all over the place, obviously
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.00,0:30:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when you say "tags were produced", how did you find the 990 tags, let's say?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.00,0:30:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Fabrizio] As I was trying to explain in the chat, I've also tried to - I've been trying since when things started
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.00,0:30:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put things together, to put the blogs together, for example, [30:32]
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.00,0:30:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the blogs were too many, actually. At present one of the problems is, there's more than 200.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.00,0:30:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With then all the usual tools
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.00,0:30:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we used to bookmark, and-or visual book -- have visual bookmarking of the resources
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.00,0:30:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there's a padlet board that is available inside the Google Drive and in the wikispace,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.00,0:31:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've also tried to do something on Pinterest
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.00,0:31:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we've got a Diigo group for the MOOC that's working very very well
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.00,0:31:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm also trying to have a map with the new Google map engine
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.00,0:31:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using the spreadsheet the teacher kindly shared through the Google Drive
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.00,0:31:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is interesting, you can have all the blogs on a map
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.00,0:31:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and being based on a spreadsheet, you can work on it, now, have them on different layers according to the tags,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.00,0:31:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, the main tags, the secondary-- and later we... I think we can have them on different layers, so
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.00,0:32:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as regards the kind of school, primary schools, the secondary schools or the language:
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.00,0:32:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something interesting to work on for the future. For me, at least. I'm studying that.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.00,0:32:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[32.22 Lucia] It is very interesting to see what professor Formiconi did to promote interaction between us.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.00,0:32:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes he would encourage us to meet in order to do some very practical things
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.00,0:32:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example there was a moment when he was introducing some very very basic XML code
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.00,0:32:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so he opened a pad in piratepad.net and he had us go and watch there and experiment
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.00,0:33:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the shared pad: so an experiment with some shared writing.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.00,0:33:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At moments, some other moments he would just stop and step back and watch and wait
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.00,0:33:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he used silence in a very active way. I know it sounds strange
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.00,0:33:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he would use silence and waiting as an active tool in order to give us time to know each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.00,0:33:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So... It was great fun! I was very tired in the evening,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.00,0:33:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would do the washing up and then I would sit in front of my computer and then dive into Bloglines,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.00,0:33:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,literally dive among the blogs and read it here and there and contact people and read a comment here and there,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.00,0:34:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and very soon I found the people who were most similar to me in a way or who had similar interests
Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.00,0:34:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was clear that we were interacting more often than with other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.00,0:34:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm quite aware that I don't know most of the people who were there
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.00,0:34:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I mean to go on exploring, because I think that there's riches there in the course.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.00,0:34:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The course will go on living for a long time for me, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.00,0:34:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[34.29 Vance] Look, that's very interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.00,0:34:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Steven Downes, I'm sure you're familiar with him,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.00,0:34:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,says that the teacher's role is to model and demonstrate and the students' role is to practice and reflect.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.00,0:34:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Dave Warlick says that teachers are really master learners, and to me that means
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.00,0:35:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that teachers are both teachers and learners at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.00,0:35:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, they're always modelling, demonstrating, practising and reflecting.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.00,0:35:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it works like you make coffee, you know: you percolate these four things, and do that all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.00,0:35:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is obviously a teacher who models and demonstrates and then you practise and reflect
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.00,0:35:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with your students it's your turn to model and demonstrate.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.00,0:35:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm wondering, have you applied these techniques in courses that you yourselves have created? Have you--
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.00,0:35:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How have you applied the techniques you learned from your professor in your work
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.00,0:35:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and... Not yet, says Lucia. Ok. Or maybe, how would you anticipate doing that,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.00,0:35:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how would you structure courses, so that you can use some of these things that have been modelled to you
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.00,0:35:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as you say, you're reflecting now and you're thinking - how can I ..
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.00,0:36:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm learning so much from this, how can I do it, how can I... so, I don't go into my first classroom
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.00,0:36:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tell the students: "Open your textbooks", you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.00,0:36:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How would you make that leak now into your own work, your own courses that you teach?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.00,0:36:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lucia] Well, this is a very hard question, Vance, because...
Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.00,0:36:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, I teach in a high school, and in this high school we have a lot of limitations I would say.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.00,0:36:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't feel free to create and explore. If you like.... you have to do things, in a way.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.00,0:36:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I feel the most important lesson I'm taking from this MOOC is, you really need to hook your students,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:55.00,0:37:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to create something that hooks them, so that they will be willing to explore.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.00,0:37:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually with what we - with what I do every day, I try to be creative, but I'm not very successful, in fact,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.00,0:37:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so my students, who are supposed to be digital natives and are not...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.00,0:37:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resist me, they push back. So, this is going to be a great challenge.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.00,0:37:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[37.30 Vance] Maybe Rita.. She's still here, she's commenting on the chat,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.00,0:37:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you can talk a little bit about how you motivate your students
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.00,0:37:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we've been participating in a community of practice called Webheads for a long time,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:44.00,0:37:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some of the things that we do to help each other to learn, we apply to our own students.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.00,0:38:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess I'm thinking of writing matrix (?[metrics?]) just off the top of my head but I'm sure there are other things as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.00,0:38:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe Rita you would like to address how you use the things that you've learned
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.00,0:38:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from interacting with other teachers, in your own courses.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.00,0:38:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[38.10 Rita] Yes Vance thank you very much for giving me the floor.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:13.00,0:38:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, you know, we started working together on this integration of technology many many years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.00,0:38:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in fact when I started, that was about 2002 or 03, nobody here was really into technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.00,0:38:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I must have looked to people as a kind of a freak.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.00,0:38:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyhow I tried to understand that, well, my students were new to this as well
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.00,0:38:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the crucial thing was motivating them, to make them feel this question, I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.00,0:39:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the thing that they had been learning English for so many years and using it in a very limited context
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.00,0:39:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the environment in which we teach our students is very constrained, I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.00,0:39:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we just do everything within the four walls of the classroom
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.00,0:39:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in Argentina, same as in Italy, both... maybe in Italy it's a little bit different,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.00,0:39:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we don't have too many people ready on the streets to speak naturally with students in English
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.00,0:39:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so students are not used to practising their English in an everyday context.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.00,0:39:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I tried to make them realize the importance of their being learning English for so many years
Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.00,0:39:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I also tried to see what it was that motivated them to use English in natural contexts [39.48]
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.00,0:39:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as, for example, the possibility of getting together with other students from other countries
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.00,0:40:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with whom they would be able to interact, to pass on information, share experience
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.00,0:40:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even see in fact, what life was, in other places, in other countries, and share in what they were interested in
Dialogue: 0,0:40:14.00,0:40:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I tried to see what it was that each group would be motivated by
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.00,0:40:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and by.. by saying this, I'm really implying that the most important thing in teaching with technology
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.00,0:40:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is motivating our students,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.00,0:40:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we can see that on a computer they learn [check] how to really work with a programme, with a new tool
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.00,0:40:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the most challenging thing for us teachers is motivation,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.00,0:40:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to see what students would be interested in,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:50.00,0:40:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what appeals to students, to come up with a tool and with a new task that they will enjoy working on.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.00,0:41:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact that's it, really.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.00,0:41:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] And I think it's so important, as our Italian colleagues pointed out,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.00,0:41:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you let the students build their own highways, you know, put [up] their own content.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.00,0:41:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really like that kind of concept, where the teacher doesn't build the course
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.00,0:41:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the teacher sort of makes a Petri dish, and then the students populate it, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.00,0:41:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you find out their interests that way. So obviously, they've been motivated. That's really interesting. [41.39]
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.00,0:41:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, we have about 10 minutes, or even 13 or 20 minutes
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.00,0:41:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's really up to you, we don't have any... nobody closes us down at any time.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.00,0:41:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Referring to the shared screen] So, well, I've put a web page up in the share...
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.00,0:42:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think in one of my versions of it, there is -- that from English,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.00,0:42:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't know, maybe you can tell a bit about this page,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.00,0:42:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this must be the page that... organized the MOOC, that announced the MOOC
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.00,0:42:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can comment on it for those of us who aren't so good with Italian.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.00,0:42:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[42.25] So, I'll really st-- oh I'm sorry, I'm having trouble releasing the mike, let me try that.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.00,0:42:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Oh, not sure what's going on here, let me just -- [clattering noise]
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.00,0:42:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm so sorry I'm not able to release the mike.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.00,0:42:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not responding ...] Oh, oh, I see, I've got an error message on my computer also,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.00,0:42:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I might have to go back, I might have to come back in as a session moderator,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.00,0:42:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I might click "close programme", I'm not sure what'll happen, but anyway, I'll do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.00,0:43:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I think I've solved the problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:04.00,0:43:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the page I've just put up: this is an announcement of the MOOC, in case there's anything to comment there,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.00,0:43:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can, if not, we can pass on to some other things we can show you.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.00,0:43:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you ready for any other questions that anybody else has...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.00,0:43:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you like to ask questions of each other?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.00,0:43:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[43.27 Lucia, referring to the shared screen] What you can see is the teacher's blog.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.00,0:43:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is where he wrote his tasks and comments and philosophy and everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:42.00,0:43:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also had video tutorials, he published 23 video tutorials here.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.00,0:43:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[43.52 Vance] Ah, ok, yes, I was confusing Lucia with Rita, I wasn't sure who was that.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.00,0:44:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK: I'm going to pull out something that one of our teachers is doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.00,0:44:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a teacher in Amazonia, who has been using some of these techniques with her own students.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.00,0:44:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And recently in Brazil they've been having protests, and so she organized her students to...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.00,0:44:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's already connected with Webheads on a few of her students' projects,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:25.00,0:44:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Webheads had been commenting on her students' blogs,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.00,0:44:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the one they did just recently, she said it was the best thing she had ever done in her career,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.00,0:44:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was getting the students to put online...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.00,0:44:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they've found an audience, you know, so they are motivated to connect with the audience.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:44.00,0:44:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The audience in Webheads is responding to them, you know, commenting on their blogs,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:50.00,0:44:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with Cintia's encouragement
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.00,0:45:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I'll find that URL and put it there, and show you some stuff from somebody in our community
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.00,0:45:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is motivating her students using these techniques, give me a moment here.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.00,0:45:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please continue. [pause]
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.00,0:45:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, keep in mind we're recording, we're hoping to have the conversation continue.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.00,0:45:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I should say, by the way, that this is an event of...
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.00,0:45:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, well yes, ok, that's a good one. Let me... I'll share that.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.00,0:45:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not the one I was looking for, but this is actually a MOOC that we participate in,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.00,0:45:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Goodbye Gutenberg", this is something that started.out as a multiliteraces course
Dialogue: 0,0:45:43.00,0:45:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, ah, I'm just trying to type its URL in here.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.00,0:45:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK: yeah, this is... we've turned this into a MOOC concept. It was... What this is, it's a...
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.00,0:46:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's...somebody just switched this back to... Yep, ok,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.00,0:46:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, maybe I can grab this ...
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.00,0:46:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're having more technical difficulties here. We have ... one of the moderators...
Dialogue: 0,0:46:19.00,0:46:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,switched us back to the - to us off the 'web share'
Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.00,0:46:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now I'm trying to get the URL back in there. Ok, so this is the Goodbye Gutenberg blog here.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.00,0:46:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, so, there used to be a way to put this into the text chat.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.00,0:46:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, you've put it in there already. [46.42]
Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.00,0:46:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's -- what that tries to do is to try to get participants to make -- to keep ePortfolios.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:52.00,0:46:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that a concept that you would think that your teacher had?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.00,0:47:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it could be, what you're doing is making ePortfolios, that is, commenting on your own learning:
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.00,0:47:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, in a way, an ePortfolio.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.00,0:47:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An ePortfolio can be just about anything, depending on how you like to interpret it.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.00,0:47:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in this particular Web page here, you'll find the links to Dave Cormier's videos.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.00,0:47:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- maybe I can find those for you -
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.00,0:47:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a -- and also a reference to George Siemens's interview with Howard Rheingold.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.00,0:47:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that will be here, on this page.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:30.00,0:47:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just clicked on "Getting started."
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.00,0:47:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there, you find a link to Siemens' conversation with Howard Rheingold
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.00,0:47:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also Dave Cormier's videos.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:44.00,0:47:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are some links that you can follow there.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:48.00,0:47:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, I'm gonna go back to searching for the page I was looking for.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:59.00,0:48:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK: I've found it. There's going to be a little dead space in the recording there, but that's OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:07.00,0:48:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so this is one of the teachers who interacts with us
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.00,0:48:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- oh, it looks like it's in Portuguese, but of course, you can translate that.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:16.00,0:48:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in any event, her students have posted some videos.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.00,0:48:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suppose "Our generation does care," that's the one that she had her students do.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.00,0:48:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's it, yeah, so that link will come up - should come up in a minute.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.00,0:48:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure if I -- it doesn't seem to be hyperlinking, but anyway,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.00,0:48:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you can search for "Our generation does care" on YouTube.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.00,0:48:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so, any further comments, coming up to the top of the hour?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:53.00,0:48:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Claire is saying you can click on the YouTube text and then it will work.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:58.00,0:49:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh yes, I see that's true, it does. OK, yes, gotcha.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:08.00,0:49:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, it just an example: this is a teacher who's been interacting with us and -- well, with her students --
Dialogue: 0,0:49:14.00,0:49:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, it came on in sound, I'm hearing it now.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.00,0:49:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I'll have to turn that off, somehow.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:22.00,0:49:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you hearing sound as well?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:27.00,0:49:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm getting inundated with audio, that I'm not -- unable to turn off, I'm not sure how it came on.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.00,0:49:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, here it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.00,0:49:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, I found it.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:43.00,0:49:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[some audio in background]
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.00,0:49:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Hem [laughs]. Oh well. Yeah, I found it, OK, there we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:55.00,0:49:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, it launched in a window and it was blaring in my ear,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:59.00,0:50:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was unable to find the window that launched to switch it off.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:06.00,0:50:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. So, what we do when the mic -- when people stop interacting, you're so welcome,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:18.00,0:50:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lucia is saying thank you. Please you can please say thank you or say goodbye,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:23.00,0:50:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say your last remarks in the recording, so we can have that to end our recording with.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:29.00,0:50:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this will all go into learning2gether.net,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:34.00,0:50:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's where we archive everything,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:36.00,0:50:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'll make an Elluminate recording, which you can have almost right away,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.00,0:50:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as soon as everybody leaves the room, that Elluminate recording gets made.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:44.00,0:50:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll post the link on Twitter, I'll post it to the #ltis13 hashtag, so you can find it there
Dialogue: 0,0:50:52.00,0:51:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so please, if you want to say goodbye, you can do that now, and thank you very much for coming.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:02.00,0:51:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's been really a nice session, I really enjoyed this.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.00,0:51:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lucia] OK, thank you, Vance, it was nice being here,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:12.00,0:51:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was very useful having to prepare everything for this event,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.00,0:51:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it helped me clarify ideas and it added some value to what I was doing, to what I did.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:26.00,0:51:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So -- and it will be a pleasure to be able to go to your blog,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.00,0:51:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then be able to listen again and think again about what everybody said.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.00,0:51:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.00,0:51:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] OK, well, ciao to all our friends in Italy,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:47.00,0:51:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you for coming, and I've just put the learning2gether.net website up, where--
Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.00,0:51:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'll be able to go there and see the blog post of this event,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.00,0:52:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will have the link to the Elluminate recording and also, will have an MP file that you can download.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:04.00,0:52:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, as soon as everything goes quiet, I'll stop the recording
Dialogue: 0,0:52:09.00,0:52:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when everybody leaves the room, then that recording will get put online
Dialogue: 0,0:52:15.00,0:52:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'll start processing it from there.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:17.00,0:52:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thanks again: I really appreciate your -- and nice to meet you all, and ciao - bye bye.