[Jeff Wall: An Impossible Photograph]

[INTERVIEWER, OFF SCREEN]
So let me just ask a question.

The gentleman on the wall there,

who's looking in the plate-glass window,

and who has these incredible trousers on--

did you make those trousers?

Did he make those trousers?

Did you impose those trousers on him?

Is there any artifice going on there?

How do you describe that?

[JEFF WALL]
It's classified information.

[LAUGHS]

[INTERVIEWER]
And the same of the other picture there,

with the woman trying on the dress?

[WALL] That's also classified information.

What you see happening, happened.

That's all I have to tell you.

How it happened is secondary

to the fact that it happened.

And let's imagine that
I found this man on the sidewalk

and got him to do what he was already doing--

or if I had elaborately reconstructed that--

what's the difference?

I mean, there is obviously a difference

factually, historically, and so on.

And in photography, that difference matters.

Artistically in photography,

it can't matter any more than it does
in any other art form.

In painting, it doesn't matter.

In sculpture, it doesn't matter.

In theater, it doesn't matter.

In cinema, it doesn't matter.

It only matters in one art form,

and that's photography.

That's why you have to deal with it.

[INTERVIEWER] Well, what was the starting point?

[WALL] Um...

Kind of a memory from thirty,
forty years ago

that came back unexpectedly.

When I realized I liked the subject,

the question was,
"How on earth could you photograph that?"

The impossibility of seeing it was
one of the triggers for it becoming interesting.

So, on that side of the dressing room,

you know there will be a mirror,

because on the opposite side is a curtain.

But it's not a mirror image,

because if you look at the hangers,

they say "Barneys" on them--

not backwards.

The curtain is closed.

No one has got access
to see into the dressing room.

You're not allowed to have
one-way mirrors in dressing rooms.

You can't have surveillance cameras
in dressing rooms.

These are all facts that,

if you analyze the picture,

you will have to come to this conclusion.

Therefore, the only thing
that you can be seeing

is what the mirror sees.

So, that's a picture that can't be made.

This caused many interesting difficulties.

Barneys is a store you can steal from.

So of course I had to go to Barneys

and take photographs of the dressing rooms

and measure them and get every detail

and then copy the thing.

[CLICKING OF LIGHT SWITCH ECHOES]

What I've told you is something that I believe

if you pay attention to that picture

and enjoy it and look at it--
get involved in it--

it'll come to you.

And when it comes to you, it'll be exciting.

You know, the most beautiful artistry is hidden.

But there's no secret.

It's not like it's a secret.

It's a condition.