1 00:00:00,423 --> 00:00:05,309 Last year, I was living with this indigenous family in India. 2 00:00:06,547 --> 00:00:08,228 One afternoon, 3 00:00:08,252 --> 00:00:10,680 the young son was eating, 4 00:00:10,704 --> 00:00:15,805 and at the sight of me, he quickly hid his curry behind his back. 5 00:00:16,694 --> 00:00:21,278 It took a lot of persuasion to get him to show me what he was eating. 6 00:00:21,994 --> 00:00:25,345 It turned out to be moth larvae, 7 00:00:25,369 --> 00:00:28,748 a traditional delicacy with the Madia indigenous people. 8 00:00:29,364 --> 00:00:30,575 I cried, 9 00:00:30,599 --> 00:00:33,067 "Oh my God, you're eating these! 10 00:00:33,091 --> 00:00:35,421 I hope there's a little left for me!" 11 00:00:36,466 --> 00:00:38,928 I saw disbelief in the boy's eyes. 12 00:00:38,952 --> 00:00:40,833 "You ... eat these?" 13 00:00:42,388 --> 00:00:45,338 "I love these," I replied. 14 00:00:46,513 --> 00:00:49,846 I could see he did not trust me one bit. 15 00:00:50,678 --> 00:00:55,413 How could an urban, educated woman like the same food as him? 16 00:00:56,562 --> 00:01:00,277 Later, I broached the subject with his father, 17 00:01:00,301 --> 00:01:03,388 and it turned out to be a mighty touchy affair. 18 00:01:04,793 --> 00:01:06,831 He said things like, 19 00:01:06,855 --> 00:01:10,190 "Oh, only this son of mine likes to eat it. 20 00:01:10,214 --> 00:01:13,084 We tell him, 'Give it up. It's bad.' 21 00:01:13,108 --> 00:01:14,978 He doesn't listen, you see. 22 00:01:15,002 --> 00:01:18,275 We gave up eating all this ages back." 23 00:01:19,763 --> 00:01:21,831 "Why?" I asked. 24 00:01:22,752 --> 00:01:25,126 "This is your traditional food. 25 00:01:26,108 --> 00:01:28,700 It is available in your environment, 26 00:01:28,724 --> 00:01:30,170 it is nutritious, 27 00:01:30,194 --> 00:01:32,898 and -- I can vouch for it -- delicious. 28 00:01:33,584 --> 00:01:35,554 Why is it wrong to eat it?" 29 00:01:36,768 --> 00:01:38,437 The man fell silent. 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:40,529 I asked, 31 00:01:40,998 --> 00:01:45,343 "Have you been told that your food is bad, 32 00:01:45,367 --> 00:01:48,472 that to eat it is backward, 33 00:01:48,496 --> 00:01:49,984 not civilized?" 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,683 He nodded silently. 35 00:01:55,069 --> 00:02:01,209 This was one of the many, many times in my work with indigenous people in India 36 00:02:01,233 --> 00:02:03,537 that I witnessed shame around food, 37 00:02:04,545 --> 00:02:08,171 shame that the food you love to eat, 38 00:02:08,195 --> 00:02:11,372 the food that has been eaten for generations, 39 00:02:11,396 --> 00:02:13,416 is somehow inferior, 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,813 even subhuman. 41 00:02:16,008 --> 00:02:21,152 And this shame is not limited to out-of-the-way, icky foods 42 00:02:21,176 --> 00:02:23,997 like insects or rats, maybe, 43 00:02:24,021 --> 00:02:27,203 but extends to regular foods: 44 00:02:27,227 --> 00:02:29,219 wild vegetables, 45 00:02:29,243 --> 00:02:32,035 mushrooms, flowers -- 46 00:02:32,059 --> 00:02:36,403 basically, anything that is foraged rather than cultivated. 47 00:02:37,172 --> 00:02:40,708 In indigenous India, this shame is omnipresent. 48 00:02:41,946 --> 00:02:43,700 Anything can trigger it. 49 00:02:44,308 --> 00:02:49,194 One upper-caste vegetarian schoolmaster gets appointed in a school, 50 00:02:49,218 --> 00:02:53,666 within weeks, children are telling their parents it's yucky to eat crabs 51 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:55,364 or sinful to eat meat. 52 00:02:56,202 --> 00:03:00,272 A government nutrition program serves fluffy white rice, 53 00:03:00,296 --> 00:03:03,392 now no one wants to eat red rice or millets. 54 00:03:03,984 --> 00:03:08,798 A nonprofit reaches this village with an ideal diet chart for pregnant women. 55 00:03:09,344 --> 00:03:10,640 There you go. 56 00:03:10,664 --> 00:03:13,015 All the expectant mothers are feeling sad 57 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:15,581 that they cannot afford apples and grapes. 58 00:03:16,009 --> 00:03:19,219 And people just kind of forget the fruits 59 00:03:19,243 --> 00:03:21,492 that can be picked off the forest floor. 60 00:03:22,611 --> 00:03:23,999 Health workers, 61 00:03:25,086 --> 00:03:27,206 religious missionaries, 62 00:03:27,230 --> 00:03:29,668 random government employees 63 00:03:29,692 --> 00:03:32,664 and even their own educated children 64 00:03:32,688 --> 00:03:37,264 are literally shouting it down at the indigenous people 65 00:03:37,288 --> 00:03:40,562 that their food is not good enough, 66 00:03:40,586 --> 00:03:42,238 not civilized enough. 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,024 And so food keeps disappearing, 68 00:03:46,972 --> 00:03:48,519 a little bit at a time. 69 00:03:49,836 --> 00:03:54,185 I'm wondering if you all have ever considered 70 00:03:54,209 --> 00:03:57,754 whether your communities would have a similar history around food. 71 00:03:59,468 --> 00:04:02,671 If you were to talk to your 90-year-old grandmother, 72 00:04:03,587 --> 00:04:07,493 would she talk about foods that you have never seen or heard of? 73 00:04:08,631 --> 00:04:11,390 Are you aware how much of your community's food 74 00:04:11,414 --> 00:04:13,280 is no longer available to you? 75 00:04:14,652 --> 00:04:16,488 Local experts tell me 76 00:04:16,512 --> 00:04:22,374 that the South African food economy is now entirely based on imported foods. 77 00:04:23,493 --> 00:04:25,637 Corn has become the staple, 78 00:04:25,661 --> 00:04:31,635 while the local sorghum, millets, bulbs and tubers are all gone. 79 00:04:32,384 --> 00:04:35,406 So are the wild legumes and vegetables, 80 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:39,058 while people eat potatoes and onions, cabbages and carrots. 81 00:04:39,921 --> 00:04:41,771 In my country, 82 00:04:41,795 --> 00:04:44,598 this loss of food is colossal. 83 00:04:45,077 --> 00:04:49,144 Modern India is stuck with rice, wheat 84 00:04:49,168 --> 00:04:51,352 and diabetes. 85 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:57,401 And we have totally forgotten foods like huge varieties of tubers, 86 00:04:57,425 --> 00:05:01,260 tree saps, fish, shellfish, 87 00:05:01,284 --> 00:05:03,176 oil seeds, 88 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,285 mollusks, mushrooms, insects, 89 00:05:07,309 --> 00:05:10,436 small, nonendangered animal meats, 90 00:05:10,460 --> 00:05:14,629 all of which used to be available right within our surroundings. 91 00:05:15,804 --> 00:05:17,645 So where has this food gone? 92 00:05:18,630 --> 00:05:21,719 Why are our modern food baskets so narrow? 93 00:05:22,895 --> 00:05:29,044 We could talk about the complex political economic and ecological reasons, 94 00:05:29,068 --> 00:05:33,349 but I am here to talk about this more human phenomenon of shame, 95 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:38,315 because shame is the crucial point 96 00:05:38,339 --> 00:05:42,438 at which food actually disappears off your plate. 97 00:05:43,444 --> 00:05:44,900 What does shame do? 98 00:05:45,845 --> 00:05:48,512 Shame makes you feel small, 99 00:05:48,536 --> 00:05:50,071 sad, 100 00:05:50,095 --> 00:05:51,317 not worthy, 101 00:05:51,341 --> 00:05:52,715 subhuman. 102 00:05:53,543 --> 00:05:57,549 Shame creates a cognitive dissonance. 103 00:05:58,115 --> 00:05:59,906 It distorts food stories. 104 00:06:00,963 --> 00:06:02,676 Let us take this example. 105 00:06:03,549 --> 00:06:05,793 How would you like to have 106 00:06:06,742 --> 00:06:08,945 a wonderful, versatile staple 107 00:06:09,817 --> 00:06:13,113 that is available abundantly in your environment? 108 00:06:13,137 --> 00:06:15,298 All you have to do is gather it, 109 00:06:15,322 --> 00:06:17,695 dry it, store it, 110 00:06:17,719 --> 00:06:20,093 and you have it for your whole year 111 00:06:20,117 --> 00:06:24,033 to cook as many different kinds of dishes as you want with it. 112 00:06:24,701 --> 00:06:28,516 India had just such a food, called "mahua," 113 00:06:28,540 --> 00:06:29,981 this flower over there. 114 00:06:30,989 --> 00:06:34,895 And I have been researching this food for the past three years now. 115 00:06:35,651 --> 00:06:40,230 It is known to be highly nutritious in indigenous tradition 116 00:06:40,254 --> 00:06:42,311 and in scientific knowledge. 117 00:06:43,130 --> 00:06:44,997 For the indigenous, 118 00:06:45,021 --> 00:06:49,398 it used to be a staple for four to six months a year. 119 00:06:50,739 --> 00:06:54,447 In many ways, it is very similar to your local marula, 120 00:06:54,471 --> 00:06:57,403 except that it is a flower, not a fruit. 121 00:06:58,236 --> 00:07:00,169 Where the forests are rich, 122 00:07:00,193 --> 00:07:03,548 people can still get enough to eat for the whole year 123 00:07:03,572 --> 00:07:05,441 and enough spare to sell. 124 00:07:06,292 --> 00:07:11,273 I found 35 different dishes with mahua 125 00:07:11,297 --> 00:07:13,971 that no one cooks anymore. 126 00:07:15,225 --> 00:07:19,860 This food is no longer even recognized as a food, 127 00:07:19,884 --> 00:07:22,036 but as raw material for liquor. 128 00:07:23,162 --> 00:07:25,830 You could be arrested for having it in your house. 129 00:07:26,417 --> 00:07:28,597 Reason? Shame. 130 00:07:29,211 --> 00:07:32,646 I talked to indigenous people all over India 131 00:07:32,670 --> 00:07:35,211 about why mahua is no longer eaten. 132 00:07:35,701 --> 00:07:38,173 And I got the exact same answer. 133 00:07:39,237 --> 00:07:42,484 "Oh, we used to eat it when we were dirt-poor and starving. 134 00:07:43,405 --> 00:07:45,224 Why should we eat it now? 135 00:07:45,248 --> 00:07:47,375 We have rice or wheat." 136 00:07:48,574 --> 00:07:50,869 And almost in the same breath, 137 00:07:50,893 --> 00:07:54,111 people also tell me how nutritious mahua is. 138 00:07:54,835 --> 00:07:58,500 There are always stories of elders who used to eat mahua. 139 00:07:59,222 --> 00:08:03,186 "This grandmother of ours, she had 10 children, 140 00:08:03,210 --> 00:08:07,543 and still she used to work so hard, never tired, never sick." 141 00:08:08,896 --> 00:08:13,584 The exact same dual narrative every single where. 142 00:08:14,634 --> 00:08:15,865 How come? 143 00:08:16,442 --> 00:08:18,648 How does the same food 144 00:08:18,672 --> 00:08:23,764 get to be seen as very nutritious and a poverty food, 145 00:08:23,788 --> 00:08:25,706 almost in the same sentence? 146 00:08:26,822 --> 00:08:28,906 Same goes for other forest foods. 147 00:08:29,653 --> 00:08:32,612 I have heard story after heartrending story 148 00:08:32,636 --> 00:08:35,528 of famine and starvation, 149 00:08:35,552 --> 00:08:39,376 of people surviving on trash foraged out of the forest, 150 00:08:40,455 --> 00:08:42,001 because there was no food. 151 00:08:43,207 --> 00:08:45,272 If I dig a little deeper, 152 00:08:45,296 --> 00:08:49,029 it turns out the lack was not of food per se 153 00:08:49,053 --> 00:08:51,586 but of something respectable like rice. 154 00:08:52,396 --> 00:08:54,061 I asked them, 155 00:08:54,085 --> 00:08:57,838 "How did you learn that your so-called trash is edible? 156 00:08:59,141 --> 00:09:03,878 Who told you that certain bitter tubers can be sweetened 157 00:09:03,902 --> 00:09:06,213 by leaving them in a stream overnight? 158 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:10,395 Or how to take the meat out of a snail shell? 159 00:09:10,419 --> 00:09:12,869 Or how to set a trap for a wild rat?" 160 00:09:14,085 --> 00:09:17,327 That is when they start scratching their heads, 161 00:09:17,351 --> 00:09:20,487 and they realize that they learned it from their own elders, 162 00:09:21,347 --> 00:09:27,265 that their ancestors had lived and thrived on these foods for centuries 163 00:09:27,289 --> 00:09:29,470 before rice came their way, 164 00:09:29,494 --> 00:09:32,529 and were way healthier than their own generation. 165 00:09:34,029 --> 00:09:36,318 So this is how food works, 166 00:09:37,898 --> 00:09:39,467 how shame works: 167 00:09:39,491 --> 00:09:45,857 making food and food traditions disappear from people's lives and memories 168 00:09:45,881 --> 00:09:48,051 without their even realizing it. 169 00:09:49,971 --> 00:09:52,914 So how do we undo this trend? 170 00:09:53,847 --> 00:09:59,882 How do we reclaim our beautiful and complex systems of natural food, 171 00:10:01,017 --> 00:10:05,818 food given to us lovingly by Mother Earth according to her own rhythm, 172 00:10:06,718 --> 00:10:10,864 food prepared by our foremothers with joy 173 00:10:10,888 --> 00:10:13,768 and are eaten by our forefathers with gratitude, 174 00:10:14,786 --> 00:10:19,487 food that is healthy, local, natural, 175 00:10:19,511 --> 00:10:22,311 varied, delicious, 176 00:10:22,335 --> 00:10:25,312 not requiring cultivation, 177 00:10:25,336 --> 00:10:27,477 not damaging our ecology, 178 00:10:27,501 --> 00:10:29,106 not costing a thing? 179 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,210 We all need this food, 180 00:10:32,234 --> 00:10:35,338 and I don't think I have to tell you why. 181 00:10:36,489 --> 00:10:40,093 I don't have to tell you about the global health crisis, 182 00:10:40,117 --> 00:10:42,659 climate change, water crisis, 183 00:10:42,683 --> 00:10:44,023 soil fatigue, 184 00:10:44,047 --> 00:10:46,039 collapsing agricultural systems, 185 00:10:46,063 --> 00:10:47,218 all that. 186 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,333 But for me, equally important reasons why we need these foods 187 00:10:52,357 --> 00:10:54,139 are the deeply felt ones, 188 00:10:55,059 --> 00:10:57,652 because food is so many things, you see. 189 00:10:58,355 --> 00:11:02,072 Food is nourishment, comfort, 190 00:11:02,096 --> 00:11:04,861 creativity, community, 191 00:11:04,885 --> 00:11:08,610 pleasure, safety, identity 192 00:11:08,634 --> 00:11:09,992 and so much more. 193 00:11:10,708 --> 00:11:13,097 How we connect with our food 194 00:11:13,121 --> 00:11:15,189 defines so much in our lives. 195 00:11:15,745 --> 00:11:18,280 It defines how we connect with our bodies, 196 00:11:19,027 --> 00:11:21,391 because our bodies are ultimately food. 197 00:11:22,192 --> 00:11:25,759 It defines our basic sense of connection 198 00:11:25,783 --> 00:11:27,326 with our existence. 199 00:11:28,464 --> 00:11:31,501 We need these foods most today 200 00:11:31,525 --> 00:11:35,376 to be able to redefine our space as humans 201 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,677 within the natural scheme of things. 202 00:11:38,507 --> 00:11:41,169 And are we needing such a redefinition today? 203 00:11:43,692 --> 00:11:47,682 For me, the only real answer is love, 204 00:11:49,261 --> 00:11:54,247 because love is the only thing that counters shame. 205 00:11:55,571 --> 00:12:00,499 And how do we bring more of this love into our connections with our food? 206 00:12:02,285 --> 00:12:06,065 For me, love is, in a big way, 207 00:12:06,089 --> 00:12:09,857 about the willingness to slow down, 208 00:12:10,826 --> 00:12:14,193 to take the time to feel, 209 00:12:14,217 --> 00:12:18,470 sense, listen, inquire. 210 00:12:19,704 --> 00:12:22,188 It could be listening to our own bodies. 211 00:12:22,875 --> 00:12:29,587 What do they need beneath our food habits, beliefs 212 00:12:30,188 --> 00:12:31,565 and addictions? 213 00:12:32,488 --> 00:12:36,497 It could be taking time out to examine those beliefs. 214 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:38,756 Where did they come from? 215 00:12:39,586 --> 00:12:42,115 It could be going back into our childhood. 216 00:12:43,012 --> 00:12:44,719 What foods did we love then, 217 00:12:45,577 --> 00:12:47,107 and what has changed? 218 00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:53,038 It could be spending a quiet evening with an elder, 219 00:12:53,062 --> 00:12:55,748 listening to their food memories, 220 00:12:55,772 --> 00:12:58,697 maybe even helping them cook something they love 221 00:12:58,721 --> 00:13:00,162 and sharing a meal. 222 00:13:02,035 --> 00:13:06,251 Love could be about remembering 223 00:13:06,275 --> 00:13:08,433 that humanity is vast 224 00:13:08,457 --> 00:13:10,279 and food choices differ. 225 00:13:11,018 --> 00:13:14,782 It could be about showing respect and curiosity 226 00:13:14,806 --> 00:13:16,663 instead of censure 227 00:13:16,687 --> 00:13:20,375 when we see somebody enjoying a really unfamiliar food. 228 00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:25,647 Love could be taking the time to inquire, 229 00:13:26,591 --> 00:13:28,423 to dig up information, 230 00:13:28,447 --> 00:13:30,326 reach out for connections. 231 00:13:31,233 --> 00:13:34,598 It could even be a quiet walk in the fynbos 232 00:13:35,485 --> 00:13:39,969 to see if a certain plant speaks up to you. 233 00:13:39,993 --> 00:13:41,159 That happens. 234 00:13:41,183 --> 00:13:42,793 They speak to me all the time. 235 00:13:44,940 --> 00:13:46,493 And most of all, 236 00:13:46,517 --> 00:13:51,271 love is to trust that these little exploratory steps 237 00:13:51,295 --> 00:13:54,812 have the potential to lead us to something larger, 238 00:13:55,738 --> 00:13:58,605 sometimes to really surprising answers. 239 00:13:59,756 --> 00:14:02,981 An indigenous medicine woman once told me 240 00:14:03,005 --> 00:14:06,454 that love is to walk on Mother Earth 241 00:14:06,478 --> 00:14:08,859 as her most beloved child, 242 00:14:10,108 --> 00:14:14,866 to trust that she values an honest intention 243 00:14:14,890 --> 00:14:17,044 and knows how to guide our steps. 244 00:14:17,808 --> 00:14:19,882 I hope I have inspired you 245 00:14:19,906 --> 00:14:23,453 to start reconnecting with the food of your ancestors. 246 00:14:23,477 --> 00:14:24,936 Thank you for listening. 247 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,141 (Applause)