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You know, it's a very
good question because I think

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people have wondered, is it as
simple as formalising what is

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now informal? And I think to
some extent, I don't think it's

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that's exactly the simple
solution. But it's very hard

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because, you know, I think one
of the difficulties that my team

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and I experienced and a funny
anecdote was, for example, we

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donated a bunch of 10 standard
issue gas masks to 10 scrap

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burners, who burned the copper
wires to salvage precious

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metals, and in an experiment
after making this, you know,

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small dent and this donation of
10 masks when we came back,

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let's say about a week and a
half later, to

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check up on the working
conditions and the

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developments to see if they were
using the masks we gave them,

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most of them really weren't. And
so it just shows you that sort

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of there's sort of like an
education and a sort of, you

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know, I've learned that in
working in places like

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Agbogbloshie in the informal
sector, trust is a currency. You

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know, people have to know people
at that level, you know, living

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below the poverty line need to
trust you. And so sometimes that

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can be a challenge in certain
situations, and it's something

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that needs to be addressed, but
it's definitely something worth

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exploring. But I'm confident in
saying that I don't really have

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the answers to as of yet,
because it is... the informal

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sector, people need to
understand that it is. It has a

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life of its own. It's, you know,
it doesn't deal with the same...

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you're dealing with language
barriers, access to new

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educational barriers, and other
impediments that make it

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difficult to you know to solve
issues simply or effectively all

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at once.