WEBVTT 00:00:01.417 --> 00:00:03.893 Shah Rukh Khan: "A girl should be seen, not heard." 00:00:03.917 --> 00:00:05.643 "Be quiet," or, "chup." 00:00:05.667 --> 00:00:09.351 These words are often used to silence girls right from childhood, 00:00:09.375 --> 00:00:10.684 well into adulthood 00:00:10.708 --> 00:00:12.434 and deep into old age. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:12.458 --> 00:00:16.101 I'm proud to introduce our next speaker, a true champion of the female voice, 00:00:16.125 --> 00:00:17.768 an advisor on poverty, 00:00:17.792 --> 00:00:19.934 gender and development for the World Bank, 00:00:19.958 --> 00:00:24.268 United Nations and several NGOs in India and the world over. 00:00:24.292 --> 00:00:27.809 She calls herself a cultural detective. 00:00:27.833 --> 00:00:32.476 Let's raise our voices to welcome renowned social scientist and author 00:00:32.500 --> 00:00:34.101 Deepa Narayan. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:34.125 --> 00:00:36.351 (Music) NOTE Paragraph 00:00:36.375 --> 00:00:40.292 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:00:44.708 --> 00:00:46.893 Deepa Narayan: The goal of every loving parent 00:00:46.917 --> 00:00:48.768 is to raise good girls, 00:00:48.792 --> 00:00:50.601 but what parents actually do 00:00:50.625 --> 00:00:55.143 is to constrain, confine and crush their girls. 00:00:55.167 --> 00:00:57.018 So as they crush their girls, 00:00:57.042 --> 00:00:58.958 they prepare them for abuse. 00:00:59.875 --> 00:01:02.059 This would be so devastating 00:01:02.083 --> 00:01:04.643 that no parent would be able to bear it, 00:01:04.667 --> 00:01:05.934 so it's disguised. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:05.958 --> 00:01:09.226 In India, we call this "adjusting." 00:01:09.250 --> 00:01:10.792 I'm sure you've heard the word. 00:01:11.625 --> 00:01:13.684 "Darling, just adjust a bit. 00:01:13.708 --> 00:01:14.976 Just adjust. 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.976 No matter what happens, just adjust." 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.809 "Adjust" trains girls to be powerless, 00:01:21.833 --> 00:01:24.393 not to exist, not to be seen, 00:01:24.417 --> 00:01:26.101 not to have a self, 00:01:26.125 --> 00:01:32.518 and it trains boys to claim power and authority over the world. 00:01:32.542 --> 00:01:38.018 And in the meantime we keep talking about gender equality and women's empowerment. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:38.042 --> 00:01:43.643 After 2012, after the gang rape in a moving bus in Delhi, 00:01:43.667 --> 00:01:48.684 I really wanted to understand the roots of abuse. 00:01:48.708 --> 00:01:52.143 So I started asking a very simple question: 00:01:52.167 --> 00:01:57.458 what does it mean to you to be a good woman or a good man today? 00:01:58.333 --> 00:02:01.226 And I was so surprised by what I heard, 00:02:01.250 --> 00:02:04.601 the answers particularly that young people gave, 00:02:04.625 --> 00:02:10.184 that the project became a research project and it took over my life. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:10.208 --> 00:02:15.643 For three years, I listened to over 600 women, men and children, 00:02:15.667 --> 00:02:17.476 educated, middle class, 00:02:17.500 --> 00:02:21.559 and it led to 1,800 hours of listening 00:02:21.583 --> 00:02:23.893 and 8,000 pages of notes, 00:02:23.917 --> 00:02:26.351 and it took another year to make sense of it. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:26.375 --> 00:02:32.434 Nowadays, we see well-dressed, educated women like many of you in this room, 00:02:32.458 --> 00:02:35.268 all of you in this room, and myself, 00:02:35.292 --> 00:02:37.851 and we think the world has changed, 00:02:37.875 --> 00:02:41.684 but these external changes are extremely misleading, 00:02:41.708 --> 00:02:44.667 because on the inside, we have not changed. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:46.375 --> 00:02:48.809 So today, I'm not going to talk about poor people. 00:02:48.833 --> 00:02:51.768 I'm going to talk only about the middle and upper classes, 00:02:51.792 --> 00:02:54.893 because we are the ones most in denial. 00:02:54.917 --> 00:02:59.018 We are the ones who have said over and over again 00:02:59.042 --> 00:03:01.184 that when women are educated, 00:03:01.208 --> 00:03:02.559 when they're employed 00:03:02.583 --> 00:03:04.893 and they earn incomes, 00:03:04.917 --> 00:03:07.625 they will be equal, empowered and free. 00:03:08.667 --> 00:03:10.059 They're not. 00:03:10.083 --> 00:03:11.351 Why? NOTE Paragraph 00:03:11.375 --> 00:03:15.018 From my research, I identify seven habits 00:03:15.042 --> 00:03:16.601 that delete women, 00:03:16.625 --> 00:03:18.809 that make women disappear, 00:03:18.833 --> 00:03:21.434 but these habits persist 00:03:21.458 --> 00:03:23.851 because they're so familiar to us 00:03:23.875 --> 00:03:25.958 and we've made them good and moral. 00:03:26.792 --> 00:03:30.375 Why would you change or drop anything that's good and moral? 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:33.559 So, on the one hand, we love our children, 00:03:33.583 --> 00:03:34.893 we love our daughters, 00:03:34.917 --> 00:03:37.292 and on the other hand, we crush them. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:38.875 --> 00:03:41.625 Habit one: You don't have a body. 00:03:43.250 --> 00:03:48.518 The first step to make a girl a ghost is to make her body disappear, 00:03:48.542 --> 00:03:50.768 to pretend that she doesn't have a body. 00:03:50.792 --> 00:03:53.643 Akangsha, who is 23, said, 00:03:53.667 --> 00:03:58.018 "In my family, we never spoke about the body, never." 00:03:58.042 --> 00:03:59.643 And it is in this silence 00:03:59.667 --> 00:04:03.559 that millions and millions of girls get sexually molested, 00:04:03.583 --> 00:04:06.750 and they don't even tell their mothers. 00:04:07.625 --> 00:04:10.101 And it's the negative comments from others 00:04:10.125 --> 00:04:14.833 that leads to 90 percent of women saying that they dislike their bodies. 00:04:15.458 --> 00:04:17.726 When a girl rejects her body, 00:04:17.750 --> 00:04:19.809 she rejects her only house 00:04:19.833 --> 00:04:22.726 and invisibility and insecurity 00:04:22.750 --> 00:04:25.393 become her very shaky foundation. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:25.417 --> 00:04:29.000 Habit two: Be quiet. Chup. 00:04:29.583 --> 00:04:31.559 If you're not supposed to exist 00:04:31.583 --> 00:04:33.184 and you don't have a body, 00:04:33.208 --> 00:04:35.351 how can you have a voice? 00:04:35.375 --> 00:04:37.268 So just about every woman said, 00:04:37.292 --> 00:04:41.434 "When I was little, my mother used to scold me and say, 00:04:41.458 --> 00:04:44.434 'Don't speak, be quiet, be chup, 00:04:44.458 --> 00:04:47.976 speak softly, don't argue and never answer back. 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.309 Jawab nahi Dena.'" 00:04:49.333 --> 00:04:50.875 I'm sure you've all heard that. 00:04:51.750 --> 00:04:54.226 And so girls become afraid, and they withdraw. 00:04:54.250 --> 00:04:57.643 And they become quiet and they say, 00:04:57.667 --> 00:04:59.476 "Let it go. Jaane do. 00:04:59.500 --> 00:05:01.333 What's the point? Nobody listens." 00:05:02.375 --> 00:05:04.184 Educated women said 00:05:04.208 --> 00:05:05.768 that their number one problem 00:05:05.792 --> 00:05:09.059 was their inability to speak up, 00:05:09.083 --> 00:05:11.976 as if there was a foot on their throat 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.250 ready to choke them. 00:05:14.250 --> 00:05:17.208 Silence slices off women. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:19.375 --> 00:05:22.268 Habit three: Be a people pleaser. 00:05:22.292 --> 00:05:23.559 Please others. 00:05:23.583 --> 00:05:26.726 Everyone likes a nice woman who always smiles, 00:05:26.750 --> 00:05:29.184 who never says no, who is never angry, 00:05:29.208 --> 00:05:31.268 even when she's being exploited. 00:05:31.292 --> 00:05:34.018 Amisha, who is 18, said, 00:05:34.042 --> 00:05:36.309 "My father said, 00:05:36.333 --> 00:05:39.333 'If I don't see you smiling, I don't feel good.'" 00:05:40.167 --> 00:05:41.476 So she smiles. 00:05:41.500 --> 00:05:44.059 So her father is teaching her, 00:05:44.083 --> 00:05:48.018 my happiness is more important than your happiness. 00:05:48.042 --> 00:05:52.268 And in this business of trying to make everyone happy all the time, 00:05:52.292 --> 00:05:55.167 girls become afraid to make decisions. 00:05:56.042 --> 00:05:58.643 And when you ask them, they say, 00:05:58.667 --> 00:06:01.042 "Anything, whatever! Kuch bhi! 00:06:01.917 --> 00:06:03.708 Everything goes. Chalta hai." 00:06:05.083 --> 00:06:07.101 Darsha, who is 25, 00:06:07.125 --> 00:06:09.018 said with great pride, 00:06:09.042 --> 00:06:11.518 "I'm highly elastic. 00:06:11.542 --> 00:06:14.792 I become whatever others want me to be." 00:06:15.500 --> 00:06:18.226 Such girls give up their dreams, 00:06:18.250 --> 00:06:19.559 their desires, 00:06:19.583 --> 00:06:21.518 and nobody even notices, 00:06:21.542 --> 00:06:23.476 except for depression. 00:06:23.500 --> 00:06:24.750 It moves in. 00:06:25.583 --> 00:06:29.000 Another slice of a girl is taken off. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:31.042 --> 00:06:33.750 Habit four: You have no sexuality. 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:39.101 I think you'd all agree that with a population of over 1.3 billion, 00:06:39.125 --> 00:06:41.000 sex is not new to India. 00:06:42.208 --> 00:06:46.934 What is new is that more people now acknowledge 00:06:46.958 --> 00:06:50.000 that women, too, have a right to sexual desire. 00:06:51.042 --> 00:06:54.518 But how can a woman who has not been allowed to own her body, 00:06:54.542 --> 00:06:56.976 who hasn't been educated about her body, 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.476 who may have been sexually molested, 00:06:59.500 --> 00:07:00.976 who cannot say no 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.184 and who has been filled with shame, 00:07:03.208 --> 00:07:05.583 how can she claim her sexual desire? 00:07:06.417 --> 00:07:09.042 A woman's sexuality is suppressed. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:10.625 --> 00:07:13.917 Habit five: Don't trust women. 00:07:15.083 --> 00:07:17.434 Imagine how the world would change 00:07:17.458 --> 00:07:19.934 if women came together in solidarity, 00:07:19.958 --> 00:07:22.768 but as to make sure that this doesn't happen, 00:07:22.792 --> 00:07:26.268 our culture places high moral value 00:07:26.292 --> 00:07:29.583 on loyalty to men and family secrecy. 00:07:30.125 --> 00:07:31.768 Woman after woman said, 00:07:31.792 --> 00:07:34.393 "I know only one trustworthy woman, 00:07:34.417 --> 00:07:36.018 and that's me." 00:07:36.042 --> 00:07:37.559 Even Ruchi, who is 30 00:07:37.583 --> 00:07:41.476 and who works on women's empowerment at Delhi University, said, 00:07:41.500 --> 00:07:45.393 "I don't trust women. They're jealous and they backbite." 00:07:45.417 --> 00:07:47.184 Obviously, then, in cities, 00:07:47.208 --> 00:07:49.059 women don't join women's groups, 00:07:49.083 --> 00:07:52.333 and when you ask them why, they say, "We don't have time for gossip." 00:07:53.208 --> 00:07:57.125 It's much easier to demolish a woman who is alone. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:58.375 --> 00:08:01.917 Habit six: Duty over desire. 00:08:02.833 --> 00:08:07.143 Muskan gave a very long definition of a good girl, and she's only 15. 00:08:07.167 --> 00:08:09.768 "She is kind, gentle, polite, loving, 00:08:09.792 --> 00:08:12.226 caring, truthful, obedient, respects elders, 00:08:12.250 --> 00:08:15.917 helps everyone unconditionally, and is good to others and fulfills duty." 00:08:17.667 --> 00:08:19.559 Tiring, isn't it. 00:08:19.583 --> 00:08:22.518 By the time you fulfill duty, 00:08:22.542 --> 00:08:25.976 whatever little desire is left is also lost. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:29.518 And when sacrificing mothers have nothing left to say 00:08:29.542 --> 00:08:31.226 except talk about food -- 00:08:31.250 --> 00:08:35.184 "Have you eaten? Khana kha liya? What will you eat?" -- 00:08:35.208 --> 00:08:39.292 men like Saurabh, who is 24, call them "boring." 00:08:40.417 --> 00:08:42.976 A woman becomes a residue. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:47.184 Habit seven: Be totally dependent. 00:08:47.208 --> 00:08:50.309 So all these habits collectively crush women, 00:08:50.333 --> 00:08:51.851 fill her with fear 00:08:51.875 --> 00:08:55.476 and make her totally dependent on men for her survival, 00:08:55.500 --> 00:08:59.167 and this allows the system of male power to continue. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:00.083 --> 00:09:04.601 So all these seven habits that we thought were good and moral 00:09:04.625 --> 00:09:07.518 snatch life away from girls 00:09:07.542 --> 00:09:09.958 and position men to abuse. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:11.125 --> 00:09:12.976 We must change. 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.250 How do we change? 00:09:15.083 --> 00:09:16.917 A habit is just a habit. 00:09:17.708 --> 00:09:20.101 Every habit is a learned habit, 00:09:20.125 --> 00:09:21.684 so we can unlearn them 00:09:21.708 --> 00:09:24.393 and this personal change is extremely important. 00:09:24.417 --> 00:09:26.518 I had to change too. 00:09:26.542 --> 00:09:29.101 But this doesn't change the system 00:09:29.125 --> 00:09:31.417 that crushes millions of other women. 00:09:32.292 --> 00:09:34.393 So we have to go to the roots. 00:09:34.417 --> 00:09:38.809 We must change what it means to be a good woman and a good man, 00:09:38.833 --> 00:09:41.583 because this a foundation of every society. 00:09:42.292 --> 00:09:46.684 We don't need elastic women, we need elastic definitions, 00:09:46.708 --> 00:09:48.268 for men too, 00:09:48.292 --> 00:09:53.518 and this big societal change cannot happen without men's involvement. 00:09:53.542 --> 00:09:54.809 We need you. 00:09:54.833 --> 00:09:57.851 We need men to become champions of change, 00:09:57.875 --> 00:10:01.059 to develop strong change muscles. 00:10:01.083 --> 00:10:03.601 Otherwise, it will be two more centuries 00:10:03.625 --> 00:10:05.976 before our girls, and our boys, 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:07.250 are safe and free. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:08.292 --> 00:10:14.559 Imagine half a billion women coming together, with the support of men, 00:10:14.583 --> 00:10:17.684 to talk to one another for conversation, for change, 00:10:17.708 --> 00:10:19.601 both personal and political, 00:10:19.625 --> 00:10:21.976 and imagine men in their own circles, 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.268 and imagine women and men coming together to just listen to each other 00:10:26.292 --> 00:10:28.684 without judgment, without blame, 00:10:28.708 --> 00:10:31.518 without accusations and without shame. 00:10:31.542 --> 00:10:33.601 Imagine how much we would change. 00:10:33.625 --> 00:10:35.518 We can do this together. 00:10:35.542 --> 00:10:37.958 Women, don't adjust. 00:10:39.167 --> 00:10:41.083 Men, adjust. 00:10:41.958 --> 00:10:43.726 It's time. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:43.750 --> 00:10:45.101 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:45.125 --> 00:10:48.958 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:10:49.542 --> 00:10:51.175 SRK: How well said, how wonderful. 00:10:51.175 --> 00:10:52.937 Everyone, Deepa, please. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:54.809 Listening to her, I realized 00:10:54.833 --> 00:10:58.393 that even in the simplest conversations that we have with women, 00:10:58.417 --> 00:10:59.976 we're actually being aggressive. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.893 For example, I do tell my daughter sometimes, 00:11:02.917 --> 00:11:06.059 "Yaar Tu hasti hai to mujhe accha lagta hai varna bura lagta hai". 00:11:06.083 --> 00:11:07.684 So sorry, I would never do that. 00:11:07.708 --> 00:11:09.768 Aaj Se main meri beti ko yahi bolunga. 00:11:09.792 --> 00:11:11.101 Whatever you're doing, 00:11:11.125 --> 00:11:13.726 mujhe accha hi lagta hai, aur accha nahi bhi lagta hai 00:11:13.750 --> 00:11:16.601 Toh mera kya, tum wohi karo jo tumhare ko lagta hai, right? NOTE Paragraph 00:11:16.625 --> 00:11:19.518 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:19.542 --> 00:11:21.018 How did you feel, 00:11:21.042 --> 00:11:26.976 first listening to so many unfulfilled stories, desires, 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.309 lack of independence, 00:11:28.333 --> 00:11:32.851 of girls that you normally would assume we think these girls are better off? NOTE Paragraph 00:11:32.875 --> 00:11:34.381 DN: Very depressed. 00:11:34.381 --> 00:11:37.268 It was shocking for me, and that's why I couldn't stop, 00:11:37.292 --> 00:11:41.268 because I had no plans to do a study and no plans to write a book. 00:11:41.292 --> 00:11:45.101 I'd written 17 books before, and I thought, "I'm done," 00:11:45.125 --> 00:11:47.268 but when I went to St. Stephen's College 00:11:47.292 --> 00:11:52.393 and I heard, at most elite colleges you well know from Delhi, 00:11:52.417 --> 00:11:54.476 and the young women and the men, 00:11:54.500 --> 00:11:58.351 what they said about what it meant to them to be a woman and man 00:11:58.375 --> 00:12:01.643 sounded not like me but like my mother's generation. 00:12:01.667 --> 00:12:04.768 So then I went to another college and another college. 00:12:04.792 --> 00:12:06.476 The thing that was striking to me 00:12:06.500 --> 00:12:09.934 is that each woman felt she was alone, 00:12:09.958 --> 00:12:13.351 that she hides her fear and hides her behavior, 00:12:13.375 --> 00:12:15.375 because she thinks it's a personal fault. 00:12:16.125 --> 00:12:19.059 It's not a personal fault, it's training, 00:12:19.083 --> 00:12:21.393 and I think that's the biggest revelation 00:12:21.417 --> 00:12:24.851 is that, if we stop pretending, 00:12:24.875 --> 00:12:26.601 then the world changes. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:26.625 --> 00:12:29.309 SRK: Do you girls all agree with what Deepa is saying? NOTE Paragraph 00:12:29.333 --> 00:12:32.184 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:12:32.208 --> 00:12:33.934 Already see that young girl saying, 00:12:33.958 --> 00:12:36.559 "Heard, heard what she said? You say this to me." 00:12:36.583 --> 00:12:38.268 Yeah, that's the way it should be. 00:12:38.292 --> 00:12:41.018 You, boy, you adjust. We are not adjusting anymore, OK? NOTE Paragraph 00:12:41.042 --> 00:12:42.601 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:12:42.625 --> 00:12:44.976 Thank you so much. Have a good evening. Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:46.150 (Applause)