WEBVTT 00:00:00.549 --> 00:00:03.530 preroll music 00:00:19.687 --> 00:00:23.970 Herald: Good afternoon everyone. As you all know this is going to be an 00:00:23.970 --> 00:00:30.720 interesting talk for sure. It is titled Sense Without Sight. Our next speaker is 00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:34.210 Sai and without too much ado please give him a big round of applause. 00:00:34.210 --> 00:00:35.940 He's going to be here shortly. 00:00:35.940 --> 00:00:39.111 Applause 00:00:50.847 --> 00:00:59.780 Sai: So you might be thinking that I am Daredevil. I'm not sadly. Well, probably 00:00:59.780 --> 00:01:06.390 better for my health. And I do not have any magic powers, unfortunately. I just 00:01:06.390 --> 00:01:17.349 have extra disabilities that make it harder for me. Nevertheless - 00:01:24.078 --> 00:01:29.570 one two back - yay live demos! dum di dum where did that move? 00:01:36.558 --> 00:01:40.657 Angel: Are you going to fall off stage? Sai: No I'm not going to fall off stage. 00:01:40.657 --> 00:01:43.059 Angel: Because you're right at, you're going to be falling soon. 00:01:43.059 --> 00:01:50.329 Sai: No I can walk around without my cane. It's a little hard to precisely target it, 00:01:50.329 --> 00:01:53.821 but as you can see I don't fall off stage. 00:01:55.162 --> 00:02:03.009 So just to make this clearer, I am not 00:02:03.009 --> 00:02:13.190 faking this. And the way you can tell is I have a blindfold on. This blindfold is for 00:02:13.190 --> 00:02:20.410 real. This is a sleep mask. I can't see anything right now. So you don't need to 00:02:20.410 --> 00:02:27.800 ask how good my sight is or why, because I can't see. 00:02:30.590 --> 00:02:33.300 The issue that I have is light blindness. 00:02:33.300 --> 00:02:39.360 Basically I can see if it's really dark and I can't see if it's really 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:53.570 bright, and lights that are as bright as the lights here actually hurt my eyes, 00:02:53.570 --> 00:02:58.610 kind of, right now through the blindfold. So I definitely would not be able to do 00:02:58.610 --> 00:03:06.090 this with my eyes open and my glasses off. I do a lot of different things. Blindness 00:03:06.090 --> 00:03:13.150 is not one of them. On my shirt, and my slides, and my website, there's all sorts 00:03:13.150 --> 00:03:19.440 of stuff that we can talk about. Let's please talk about that stuff, not the fact 00:03:19.440 --> 00:03:27.420 that I'm blind. Except during this talk or during my workshops when you're - it's 00:03:27.420 --> 00:03:33.520 okay to ask questions about that or talk about that. Exception is if you want to 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:38.201 work with me on stuff or if you have feedback I welcome that. But let's talk 00:03:38.201 --> 00:03:49.300 about something else like how to analyze a few terabytes of court data. Anyway! 00:03:49.300 --> 00:03:57.120 I have assistants for this talk. One of them is what I'm going to be calling the 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:02.710 "helpful asshole" aka my herald. Herald: You're welcome. 00:04:02.710 --> 00:04:11.460 Sai: Come up. I also have Bit. Bit, where are you? 00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:16.440 Bit: Here! Sai: Good! And I have someone running 00:04:16.440 --> 00:04:23.010 slides for me because obviously I can't see my own slides. Fortunately for you 00:04:23.010 --> 00:04:29.240 that means I'm not giving the talk like this to do to do what I've just talked 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:37.381 about. Yeah it is okay to make sound. If anything it's helpful because it I can 00:04:37.381 --> 00:04:44.720 hear where you are. So you might wonder how I walked onto stage without my cane. 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:54.180 I'm going to go over that in a second but first, the cane is really, really useful. 00:04:54.180 --> 00:05:01.870 So it gives me a number of things. For instance, right here, you might not notice 00:05:01.870 --> 00:05:07.741 it, but there is a difference in the floor. There is this carpeted section here 00:05:07.741 --> 00:05:14.030 and there's this wood section here... different knocking sounds 00:05:14.030 --> 00:05:19.800 Right? Now if I just brush this with my feet I can feel it. And that's how I 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:25.630 walked on stage. But if I do it with my cane - hear that whack? 00:05:25.630 --> 00:05:30.740 slinging and whacking sounds You can say yes in response to questions. 00:05:30.740 --> 00:05:34.290 You hear that wack? Audience: Yes! 00:05:34.290 --> 00:05:46.600 Sai: So even if I'm lightly walking I just keep that out at a known degree and I can 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:55.580 easily walk alongside of it. I can also feel the texture. So one thing you may not 00:05:55.580 --> 00:06:06.060 notice but may as well try now is that the texture of the carpet under your feet - 00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:09.160 under your feet, the people who are live in this audience - I don't know 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:15.601 about you people at home, sorry. But this stage I have checked out and it is 00:06:15.601 --> 00:06:21.420 smoother from the front of stage to the back of stage and is smoother from the 00:06:21.420 --> 00:06:26.260 right of stage to the left stage. And I believe that's true for most of the floor 00:06:26.260 --> 00:06:33.470 and the audience but it's made out of separate squares. So some of them may be 00:06:33.470 --> 00:06:41.620 oriented in a different way so feel with your feet, for real, like right now, feel. 00:06:41.620 --> 00:06:47.570 and feel if you can see if you can feel which way it's smooth and which way it's 00:06:47.570 --> 00:06:56.780 rough. With the cane, when I drag it like this, it's smoother, when I drag like 00:06:56.780 --> 00:07:06.370 this, it resists, and especially if I'm holding it like this with a firmer grip - 00:07:06.370 --> 00:07:11.900 this is nice and smooth. This way it sort of resists, it bends the cane a little bit. 00:07:11.900 --> 00:07:21.950 What else. There's sound, so something I can do really well with a cane 00:07:21.950 --> 00:07:23.850 that's hard to do with my feet but I can 00:07:23.850 --> 00:07:26.020 stomping 00:07:26.020 --> 00:07:29.850 I can do that. But I can also do this 00:07:29.850 --> 00:07:32.360 sharp whacking sounds 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.650 so... lower pitched whacking 00:07:35.650 --> 00:07:40.980 that those two sound completely different, right? 00:07:40.980 --> 00:07:44.220 different whacking sounds 00:07:44.220 --> 00:07:45.360 In fact... 00:07:46.610 --> 00:07:48.940 whacking sound changes again 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:55.170 Here the stage is not hollow underneath. 00:07:55.170 --> 00:07:58.830 Here it's firmer and then 00:07:58.830 --> 00:08:01.490 whacking sound changes dramatically 00:08:01.490 --> 00:08:03.965 suddenly it's echo-y. 00:08:03.965 --> 00:08:08.865 alternating whacking sounds 00:08:08.865 --> 00:08:15.120 Right? So that helps me tell just sort of what ground I'm on. 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.600 Similarly, actually in the front of the stage. So 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:24.355 different whacking sounds 00:08:24.355 --> 00:08:28.820 and then near - sorry about your mic 00:08:30.060 --> 00:08:31.630 the stage edge, 00:08:31.630 --> 00:08:34.560 whacking 00:08:34.560 --> 00:08:37.170 it's really sort of resistant, whereas 00:08:37.170 --> 00:08:38.690 more solid sounds 00:08:38.690 --> 00:08:44.161 there, it's got much more of an echo to it. 00:08:44.161 --> 00:08:52.570 One thing this is very useful for is echolocation. I am not a bat but it is the 00:08:52.570 --> 00:08:58.399 same principle. There are some people who are much much much better than I am about 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.770 echolocation. I'm not that good. But what I can hear, and what you can hear, and 00:09:03.770 --> 00:09:08.580 what you're going to try to hear right now, is the size of the room. So I'm going 00:09:08.580 --> 00:09:13.500 to whack the stage with my cane. What I want you to do is while I'm doing it, 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:19.090 close your eyes. You're not going to miss anything. The slide's not going to change. 00:09:19.090 --> 00:09:24.460 I'm just here. So close your eyes and move your head from side to side as I do it. 00:09:24.460 --> 00:09:32.660 And you can even sort of look behind you, and listen for the sound of the size of 00:09:32.660 --> 00:09:41.050 the room. You'll be able to hear how large the room is around you and you'll hear the 00:09:41.050 --> 00:09:48.390 echo of my cane from the back of the room. Kill the PA for a sec. 00:09:49.290 --> 00:09:49.865 whack 00:09:52.606 --> 00:09:53.414 whack 00:09:58.592 --> 00:09:59.317 whack 00:10:01.388 --> 00:10:02.084 whack 00:10:03.266 --> 00:10:04.005 whack 00:10:04.640 --> 00:10:05.620 Right? 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:06.280 whack 00:10:06.280 --> 00:10:07.040 PA! 00:10:07.040 --> 00:10:09.722 more whacks 00:10:09.722 --> 00:10:13.112 OK so that's a simple version. Another 00:10:13.112 --> 00:10:23.790 version is these stage curtains. How do I not faceplant into them. Well there's a 00:10:23.790 --> 00:10:27.790 few ways. For one, I can just run into it with my cane. 00:10:27.790 --> 00:10:36.360 speaker feedback noise That's the speaker, sorry about that. And 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:45.802 that is curtain, nice and soft. There are several other things about this I'm going 00:10:45.802 --> 00:10:52.930 to show in a bit, but also if I'm - sorry about the speaker - if I'm walking through 00:10:52.930 --> 00:10:59.650 this and I walk through the side curtain, sort of behind. 00:10:59.650 --> 00:11:16.790 whacking 00:11:18.030 --> 00:11:21.860 Huh, they've added extra stuff to the stage. Yay! 00:11:22.690 --> 00:11:33.659 whacking 00:11:34.829 --> 00:11:39.758 It absorbs the sound when I am tapping near it 00:11:46.757 --> 00:11:50.040 there's that. 00:11:51.884 --> 00:11:53.890 Bit, where are you? 00:11:53.890 --> 00:11:55.690 Bit: Looks like you're lost, you need some help? 00:11:55.690 --> 00:11:56.400 Sai: Sorry? 00:11:56.400 --> 00:11:58.770 Bit: Do you need some help? Looks like you're lost. 00:11:58.770 --> 00:12:11.290 Sai: Thank you dear angel. No I do know where I am. So my dear signal angel, my 00:12:11.290 --> 00:12:27.080 herald is representing that person who is trying to be helpful to me several times a 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:37.280 day, and kind of annoys me, or ranges from annoying to actually dangerous. 00:12:37.940 --> 00:12:41.791 I obviously know where I am because I'm navigating the stage is just fine, and you 00:12:41.791 --> 00:12:46.850 saw me walk on without even my cane. So thank you. But no, I don't need 00:12:46.850 --> 00:12:54.040 directions. Bit! Bit: Here! Howdy! 00:12:54.040 --> 00:13:01.860 Sai: So with someone who's right next to you like this, how do I - how can I tell 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:12.480 that he's there. I'm not touching him with the cane, although I can and I do. So if I 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:16.730 whack you in the ankle: sorry but that's how I can tell you're there, especially if 00:13:16.730 --> 00:13:21.519 you're standing really quiet. It's really hard to tell that someone's there and 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:26.390 especially in a crowd like this. So yes I'm going to hit you in the ankle, too bad. 00:13:26.390 --> 00:13:30.920 That's how I can tell you're there. But in this distance I can feel his body 00:13:30.920 --> 00:13:39.990 heat radiating. So from about this distance away, meh. From this distance, I 00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:49.770 can definitely feel it on the back of my arm. There is his shoulder, there's his 00:13:49.770 --> 00:13:59.200 cheek. So actually I would like you to try doing that. So turn to the person who's 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:10.269 next to you, ask their consent first. I have asked Bit's consent for everything 00:14:10.269 --> 00:14:16.290 that we're going to do. And what I would like you to do is put your hand up next to 00:14:16.290 --> 00:14:29.730 them. Try to almost touch their cheek without quite touching their cheek. And 00:14:29.730 --> 00:14:36.020 then deliberately do so. So almost, but not quite, just by the heat, with your 00:14:36.020 --> 00:14:43.830 eyes closed, and then trade off. Yeah, go ahead! 00:14:47.297 --> 00:14:51.265 audience murmurs, giggles 00:15:06.692 --> 00:15:09.698 light whacks 00:15:17.561 --> 00:15:21.209 So another place that I feel this is on 00:15:21.209 --> 00:15:28.790 walls. This wall for instance, the front of the stage, there is actually wind 00:15:28.790 --> 00:15:35.149 coming through these little holes in them. That wind is colder than the ambient 00:15:35.149 --> 00:15:44.680 temperature of the room. If I get my arm really close to it, then at about this 00:15:44.680 --> 00:15:52.860 distance, I feel the cold air from it, and then at about that distance, there's 00:15:52.860 --> 00:16:00.500 actually sort of a sheet wind that is really tight close to the wall and then, 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:09.920 there my hair - the hairs on the back of my arm tingle, and there, I can touch it. 00:16:09.920 --> 00:16:17.320 So we have people who are in the audience on scooters and such. They're going to 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:27.769 drive through the aisles. I want you to close your eyes and see if you can feel 00:16:27.769 --> 00:16:33.809 the wind generated by them moving past you, 00:16:37.707 --> 00:16:39.720 and also the sound. 00:16:39.805 --> 00:16:42.085 rhythmic rumbling 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:44.140 Some of them are louder than others. 00:16:47.340 --> 00:16:55.139 So you feel how when they pass you there's a breeze in their wake. This happens a lot 00:16:55.139 --> 00:17:01.209 in Congress. There are lots of people on scooters and hover boards and motorized 00:17:01.209 --> 00:17:10.050 couches or whatever - gods know what people motorized around here. Or it's 00:17:10.050 --> 00:17:17.420 someone just walking really fast like me. They all generate a wind in their wake. 00:17:17.420 --> 00:17:24.601 Another thing you'll notice in Congress is - there's these nice tunnels. So for 00:17:24.601 --> 00:17:30.890 instance from CCL to Hall 2, there's this tunnel through the glass hall. When you 00:17:30.890 --> 00:17:38.200 walk through, the wind characteristics of the room completely change. You start 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:44.830 feeling a crosswind. So if I'm walking this way and the tunnel is on my right 00:17:44.830 --> 00:17:56.669 then suddenly I will feel a crosswind from the tunnel that is colder and wasn't there 00:17:56.669 --> 00:18:06.084 before. Similarly with the wall there's just sort of stops. Next? 00:18:22.949 --> 00:18:26.470 Oh yeah. So... 00:18:26.470 --> 00:18:36.400 everyone please close your eyes. And I do mean everyone. Not the audio angels or the 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:42.120 video angels. But everyone in the audience please close your eyes. If your phone 00:18:42.120 --> 00:18:50.190 number ends with the number 1 please move your arms in such a way as to make some 00:18:50.190 --> 00:18:56.200 wind. If your phone number doesn't end in the number 1, point to the person who's 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:01.740 making some wind. I can't see you so I'm not going to judge you. 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:10.360 So do you feel that? Yes? No? 00:19:10.860 --> 00:19:13.200 Audience: No. 00:19:14.330 --> 00:19:19.190 How about people whose phone number ends in 1 stop, people whose phone number ends 00:19:19.190 --> 00:19:25.901 in 4 make some wind like wave your arm in front of you. 00:19:28.231 --> 00:19:31.040 Feel that? Try pointing to them. 00:19:31.650 --> 00:19:35.695 Not the people who ends in 4, you can point to yourselves, I guess. 00:19:39.980 --> 00:19:43.030 People whose number ends in 7. 00:19:48.950 --> 00:19:54.580 So that's movement. When people move by you, it 00:19:54.580 --> 00:20:00.000 generates wind. When there is a tunnel and there's an air differential, like the air 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:07.170 under this stage is colder. And that's why there's a wind out of it. Actually - 00:20:07.170 --> 00:20:09.135 du bi dub di dub 00:20:20.150 --> 00:20:22.210 Herald: Let me hold your hand and get that for you. 00:20:22.210 --> 00:20:23.610 Sai: Ah, thanks. 00:20:23.610 --> 00:20:28.320 Herald: No? You're good? You're sure? Sai: Yeah, let go of me please! 00:20:37.635 --> 00:20:40.689 Sai: Oh yay! More stuff. 00:20:44.836 --> 00:20:49.034 cane hitting wall and railing 00:20:56.380 --> 00:21:00.030 So down here 00:21:05.453 --> 00:21:09.570 whacking 00:21:17.668 --> 00:21:28.169 If open the door and I walk past it, there is this crosswind, I was mentioning 00:21:28.169 --> 00:21:34.919 a second ago, about the tunnel. So here there's a sort of flat to my right and 00:21:34.919 --> 00:21:40.740 then here I walk a little bit forward. Suddenly there is this crosswind 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:49.380 from that opening. Similarly when people were biking by you, you could tell that. 00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:52.670 Similarly if I crack my cane 00:21:52.670 --> 00:21:56.440 whacking 00:21:58.730 --> 00:22:02.360 I don't know if you can hear that very well, but try. There's... 00:22:03.070 --> 00:22:06.780 barely audible whacking 00:22:06.780 --> 00:22:10.620 there's a sound off to that side 00:22:10.620 --> 00:22:16.760 that sort of ends at the door. And then if I knock my cane here 00:22:16.760 --> 00:22:19.590 whacking 00:22:19.590 --> 00:22:26.000 there's a little reflection through that door. 00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:29.160 And yes I do know how to close a door. 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:33.820 I know, amazing! 00:22:36.870 --> 00:22:38.630 Similarly for these walls 00:22:47.890 --> 00:22:49.790 I can feel the 00:22:50.800 --> 00:22:57.040 that I'm close to the wall, or not. Tingley, not tingley. 00:22:57.980 --> 00:22:59.355 What's next. 00:23:19.223 --> 00:23:30.470 Yes. So yeah you've added more random crap. 00:23:30.470 --> 00:23:32.169 Herald: Can I move these chairs for you, so you can... 00:23:32.169 --> 00:23:35.520 Sai: Uh, no, please. Herald: Would that be helpful? 00:23:35.520 --> 00:23:40.530 Sai: Sometimes that would be helpful. But at the moment not so much, because if you 00:23:40.530 --> 00:23:48.930 were to move it when I've already found where it is, then suddenly it wouldn't be 00:23:48.930 --> 00:23:57.750 there any more, and it'd be hard for me to orient. One of the things that is 00:23:57.750 --> 00:24:05.070 difficult about being blind is you have to have quite a lot of memory. So the things 00:24:05.070 --> 00:24:15.850 that you probably don't notice because you outsource your memory is how much of the 00:24:15.850 --> 00:24:21.850 environment around you changes. So ask a blind person they probably hate 00:24:21.850 --> 00:24:27.280 construction work. audience laughs 00:24:27.280 --> 00:24:41.100 I do. And if I try to go sit down for instance for that matter - there's a chair 00:24:41.100 --> 00:24:53.890 - if this had moved a lot, it would be really hard for me to take a seat. Now, he 00:24:53.890 --> 00:25:04.250 doesn't smell that bad, but some people have a pretty significant smell, because 00:25:04.250 --> 00:25:12.710 they're wearing perfume or cologne or Axe or something like that. If you've ever 00:25:12.710 --> 00:25:18.200 been in a public transit terminal and you've taken the elevator, maybe you know 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:29.850 the distinct aroma of the elevator in public transit. Definitely lets you know 00:25:29.850 --> 00:25:43.450 you're in New York City. So the next group, start moving. So my assistants in 00:25:43.450 --> 00:25:52.201 the audience are moving through the aisles with something in their hands. What I want 00:25:52.201 --> 00:26:01.891 you to do is close your eyes. Smell, feel the wind current, smell what is it, point 00:26:01.910 --> 00:26:04.775 to them. You point exactly where they are. 00:26:08.077 --> 00:26:10.585 Hhm, yummy orange. 00:26:15.837 --> 00:26:18.160 So now I'm really hungry. 00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:24.870 So if I'm walking past a coffee shop for instance, it has a distinct 00:26:24.870 --> 00:26:31.780 smell, smells like coffee, shockingly enough. A drugstore smells like alcohol and 00:26:31.780 --> 00:26:40.270 cleaning solution. A clothing store smells like leather and this weird perfume that 00:26:40.270 --> 00:26:47.270 they put in clothing stores for some reason. I don't know why, but they do. And 00:26:47.270 --> 00:26:50.913 if you ever visit one hopefully you'll notice it now. 00:26:53.379 --> 00:26:57.062 So let's see, next? Huh? 00:27:04.125 --> 00:27:09.679 Ah, right! Dear asshole, you know your lines? 00:27:09.679 --> 00:27:11.529 Herald: [inaudible] 00:27:14.609 --> 00:27:18.610 Sai: Bit! Do you have your blindfold on? 00:27:18.610 --> 00:27:22.100 Bit: Uh, no. Sai: Please do. 00:27:22.100 --> 00:27:25.840 Bit: I don't have one. Sai: I don't have an extra one. 00:27:25.840 --> 00:27:27.090 Bit: [inaudible] 00:27:27.090 --> 00:27:30.230 Sai: laughs Did you move his blindfold also? 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:35.670 Bit: [inaudible] 00:27:38.420 --> 00:27:40.460 Sai: Shall I lend you mine? 00:27:42.610 --> 00:27:44.850 Bit: [inaudible] 00:27:51.615 --> 00:27:57.200 Sai: Ah, that get's bright! Ow. 00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:04.890 So if you are going to try to help someone navigate. 00:28:04.890 --> 00:28:10.062 First off say would you like some help. 00:28:10.067 --> 00:28:13.294 Bit: So I'm pretty confused now, so, yes, please! 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:15.220 laughter 00:28:16.790 --> 00:28:24.240 Sai: So don't just randomly assault people. Just because I have a cane does 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:31.490 not mean it's cool to assault me. Then if you're going to touch them, do so with the 00:28:31.490 --> 00:28:37.100 back of your hand. This way he knows I'm not just randomly grabbing him and yanking 00:28:37.100 --> 00:28:43.530 him around. That's really annoying. So I can offer you my arm. We can walk. Let's 00:28:43.530 --> 00:28:45.610 go have a seat. 00:28:45.610 --> 00:28:47.830 laughter 00:28:53.730 --> 00:28:58.860 Here we go. That's your seat. Now some people will like grab the hand and put it 00:28:58.860 --> 00:29:03.989 down. Instead I can just say: here's a chair. 00:29:06.758 --> 00:29:07.826 Ta da! 00:29:10.919 --> 00:29:13.559 So follow me for a sec. 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:16.672 Can I have a sidewalk beep in the back? 00:29:18.044 --> 00:29:21.769 scratching 00:29:23.539 --> 00:29:27.138 So let's do a little crack. 00:29:27.573 --> 00:29:30.006 whackwhack 00:29:30.194 --> 00:29:33.150 Do you hear the back of the room, where that is? 00:29:35.910 --> 00:29:38.120 Bit: Can you do it once more? 00:29:38.185 --> 00:29:39.185 whack 00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:50.880 Bit: I think it's in front of me, a bit to the right, maybe. 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:59.100 Sai: So one thing you really don't want to do when someone is possibly trying to 00:29:59.100 --> 00:30:06.590 figure out their orientation is to randomly come up to them and grab them, 00:30:06.590 --> 00:30:17.280 and pull them. Dear asshole? Herald: Yes please? Can I help you, 00:30:17.280 --> 00:30:24.049 can I take you somewhere? Sai: Let's pretend that you think he 00:30:24.049 --> 00:30:30.401 wants to go down the stairs. He thinks he wants to walk towards the audience. 00:30:30.401 --> 00:30:33.000 Let's walk towards the audience a little bit. 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.080 Herald: So here the stairs are this way. 00:30:35.080 --> 00:30:36.230 Yeah. 00:30:37.250 --> 00:30:38.850 laughter 00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:41.810 Sai: OK, pause for a sec. 00:30:42.220 --> 00:30:43.740 Herald: ... for the stairs. Bit: No, not.. really not. 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.840 Herald: I'm pretty sure you are. You look lost! 00:30:46.840 --> 00:30:50.160 Bit: I'm trying to go elsewhere. Sai: Yeah, fuck off please! 00:30:50.430 --> 00:30:51.980 laughter 00:30:54.610 --> 00:30:57.346 Sai: Now, Bit, can you please point to the back of the room? 00:31:01.765 --> 00:31:05.070 Yeah, not quite is it. 00:31:07.350 --> 00:31:09.190 This is what happens when you mess with 00:31:09.190 --> 00:31:16.340 someone's orientation. Please don't be that asshole. So if you want to be helpful you 00:31:16.340 --> 00:31:21.909 can be helpful, you can be nice. Say: "shall I lead you back to the chairs now?" 00:31:21.909 --> 00:31:28.020 "Would you like a hand?" They hold you, you don't hold them, and then you can lead 00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:46.280 them back to the chairs. There we go. Have a seat. May I have my blindfold back? 00:31:46.280 --> 00:31:52.860 Bit: Yeah. Sai: You can tell this is improvised. And 00:31:52.860 --> 00:32:01.970 here I am again walking without my cane on the crack. So it's not just a party trick, 00:32:01.970 --> 00:32:05.776 as I'll show in a sec. Next. 00:32:13.954 --> 00:32:20.540 Yeah, right. So, some of you may have the response of 00:32:20.540 --> 00:32:37.320 thinking, "oh wow Sai can walk across the stage, or talk or make decisions". I wish 00:32:37.320 --> 00:32:44.320 I were kidding but that does happen pretty regularly. Can we clear the stuff off the 00:32:44.320 --> 00:32:55.510 stage, please? So instead of that, I'd like to show you something that actually 00:32:55.510 --> 00:33:07.750 does involve a little bit of skill. Namely about a decade worth of aikido. For those 00:33:07.750 --> 00:33:15.150 of you who don't know, aikido is a martial art from Japan. Anne? 00:33:15.150 --> 00:33:24.630 Anne: Yes! Sai: So I've spent about five years or so 00:33:24.630 --> 00:33:37.340 learning to use a cane. Anne has spent well more than that doing aikido and is a 00:33:37.340 --> 00:33:43.630 second degree black belt. I am not! However I'm wearing a blindfold and she is 00:33:43.630 --> 00:33:54.690 not. So what I want to demonstrate for you is how I can tell that she's about to grab 00:33:54.690 --> 00:34:02.820 my hand. So there is the sound of the feet on the ground making this sort of sound. 00:34:02.820 --> 00:34:08.119 There is the hand approaching me, the wind, 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.569 there the vibration as her hips sort of rotate 00:34:12.569 --> 00:34:17.709 towards me with my slow fist attempt here. 00:34:17.709 --> 00:34:20.169 There I can tell she's starting to lean back, 00:34:20.169 --> 00:34:23.692 and there, I put her to the ground. 00:34:26.570 --> 00:34:27.964 Again! 00:34:29.135 --> 00:34:33.149 So sound, movement, air flow, heat. 00:34:33.149 --> 00:34:40.830 Here is a nice little head, vibration, wrist, the crook of the wrist. 00:34:43.922 --> 00:34:46.169 Full speed! 00:34:52.069 --> 00:35:02.180 So the blindfold hasn't come off. This isn't magic. And again I'm not Daredevil. 00:35:02.180 --> 00:35:10.869 I just can't see. I didn't get extra super special securing powers. My hearings is 00:35:10.869 --> 00:35:15.869 pretty good but it's no better than the average person - I'm - it's actually a 00:35:15.869 --> 00:35:23.960 lot worse in the rain. So that thing it isn't really a thing. So just to prove 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:34.420 that it doesn't just work in this sort of deliberately set up special thing, Anne is 00:35:34.420 --> 00:35:39.709 going to just attack me, however she wants, and I'm going to 00:35:39.709 --> 00:35:41.097 throw her around a bit. 00:35:41.868 --> 00:35:42.868 laughter 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.411 Note that I can still focus on her. 00:36:03.424 --> 00:36:05.383 I can still pin her if I want. 00:36:06.632 --> 00:36:07.716 laughs 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.572 laughter 00:36:19.990 --> 00:36:24.320 applause 00:37:13.908 --> 00:37:19.558 applause 00:37:22.100 --> 00:37:27.579 And no, I didn't tell them what to do in advance. That's real. Yes, I am a little 00:37:27.579 --> 00:37:40.969 bit out of breath. It's been a while since I actually exercised. Well and again I'm 00:37:40.969 --> 00:37:49.440 still facing you, right? I haven't forgotten where this line is. Between the 00:37:49.440 --> 00:38:02.900 wood and the carpet, and in fact I can knock it with my ring. Sometimes against 00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:11.960 the wall is a little better to generate a nice echo sound. So if you want to not be 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:26.249 an asshole, please remember, first off, ask! I may not want your help, or need it, 00:38:26.249 --> 00:38:33.380 and what you think may be helpful to me, maybe, probably is, completely wrong. So 00:38:33.380 --> 00:38:40.619 listen to what I say and if I say, "yeah I would like you to please, lead me to X." 00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:47.739 That does not mean grab my arm and start dragging me to X. I prefer to follow 00:38:47.739 --> 00:38:52.930 people by sounds so I'm just going to tell you to scuff your feet when you walk, 00:38:52.930 --> 00:38:59.979 scuffing so I can follow you by sound, or to just 00:38:59.979 --> 00:39:12.499 keep talking. Some people do prefer to follow by hand. Bit? So if it comes up and 00:39:12.499 --> 00:39:26.119 I want directions to the stage center, lead me to say center, please. Ta da! Not 00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:37.789 that hard. If you are going to touch someone like here, unless you know you've 00:39:37.789 --> 00:39:43.170 invited them to attack you because you're going to do an aikido exercise, don't just 00:39:43.170 --> 00:39:51.619 randomly grab them and yank them around. Touch them, say "hi my name is Sai, would 00:39:51.619 --> 00:39:55.650 you like some help?" Bit: Hi Sai, I would. Thank you very much. 00:39:55.650 --> 00:40:00.079 And then you can offer, or you can say: "what would you like." "Are you lost." 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.609 Bit: Actually I'd like to go to your place thanks. 00:40:05.609 --> 00:40:12.359 Sai: Maybe later. laughter 00:40:12.359 --> 00:40:21.869 And one important thing to note. When people do simulations of disabilities, 00:40:21.869 --> 00:40:32.500 they sometimes try to do it by just pretending to be blind, or pretending to 00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:37.779 be in a wheelchair, or something. Like you sit in a wheelchair for a day, and then 00:40:37.779 --> 00:40:44.339 you think, oh it must be so hard to be in a wheelchair, because my arms hurt so 00:40:44.339 --> 00:40:50.739 much, and I couldn't figure out how to get to the second floor. That's because you've 00:40:50.739 --> 00:40:55.859 done it for a day and someone who actually uses a wheelchair has done it for probably 00:40:55.859 --> 00:41:00.989 years and years and years and has much better arms than you do. And they know 00:41:00.989 --> 00:41:08.259 where everything is, and they know how to get around. Similarly, I know how to get 00:41:08.259 --> 00:41:19.700 around without using my eyes. You don't. If you just try to put a blindfold on and 00:41:19.700 --> 00:41:25.839 grab a cane, or let alone those blind experience museums where they just put a 00:41:25.839 --> 00:41:30.249 blindfold on you, and don't give you a cane, and have you walk around. I actually 00:41:30.249 --> 00:41:36.600 went to one once and they wanted to take my cane away from me? Like hell no. That 00:41:36.600 --> 00:41:46.420 ain't happening. I actually lent it to my partner so that my partner could not feel 00:41:46.420 --> 00:41:52.119 afraid of the surroundings of accidentally walking into something or accidentally 00:41:52.119 --> 00:42:02.769 walking off - not a stage, but off a step or something. So you don't know what you 00:42:02.769 --> 00:42:08.539 dont know. Most of the things I've showed you in this talk you probably have never 00:42:08.539 --> 00:42:15.390 realized that there even a thing. Like have you noticed how many different 00:42:15.390 --> 00:42:23.070 floorings there are in the mess hall? How many different textures there are? How 00:42:23.070 --> 00:42:33.309 many different sounds there are, smells, the wind, the ceiling heights. You 00:42:33.309 --> 00:42:40.199 probably don't pay attention to that. I do and without the experience you're just not 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:50.839 going to be able to learn that. That said, I am teaching workshops. You're welcome to 00:42:50.839 --> 00:42:54.819 come to them if I saw the energy to run them. One is going to be right after this 00:42:54.819 --> 00:43:01.759 talk and the rest to be determined. My volunteers: can you please come up on 00:43:01.759 --> 00:43:10.680 stage if you're willing to be on camera. This talk is complicated if you ask the 00:43:10.680 --> 00:43:21.430 35C3 content crew and the VOC crew and everyone else. Kind of a pain to run 00:43:21.430 --> 00:43:28.020 something like this because I'm doing stereo recording. That doesn't affect you 00:43:28.020 --> 00:43:34.039 in the audience live because the PAs are mono, but hopefully those of you listening 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:39.949 at home you've been listening to this with stereo headphones on, and hopefully you'll 00:43:39.949 --> 00:43:44.640 hear it from my perspective what it's like when I crack the cane, and you can hear 00:43:44.640 --> 00:43:47.210 the echo in the room. 00:43:47.210 --> 00:43:53.250 So thank you very much. Thank you very much. Take a bow, please! 00:43:53.250 --> 00:44:03.390 applause 00:44:03.390 --> 00:44:08.889 Herald: Thank you Sai for a very interesting talk! Questions? 00:44:08.889 --> 00:44:15.630 Sai: Can we have the Q&A slide please? So if you have questions, and you're okay 00:44:15.630 --> 00:44:21.739 with being on camera, and possibly being asked to come on stage so I can answer 00:44:21.739 --> 00:44:25.289 your question depending on what your question is, please queue up to the camera 00:44:25.289 --> 00:44:29.410 that's on stage right. Otherwise there's cameras or there's microphones... 00:44:29.410 --> 00:44:32.769 Herald: ...we can also do just plain questions. If you don't want to come on 00:44:32.769 --> 00:44:37.359 stage, you can just answer questions from any one of the four microphones in the room. 00:44:37.359 --> 00:44:39.179 Sai: Bit? 00:44:42.269 --> 00:44:44.529 So first question from microphone number 2. 00:44:44.529 --> 00:44:48.719 Sai: Which one is 2? Herald: It's for that person asking. 00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.500 Sai: Which one is the... Herald: Sorry? 00:44:51.500 --> 00:44:55.420 Sai: Which one is the one on stage right. Can I ask them on stage. 00:44:55.420 --> 00:44:58.059 Herald: Oh let's see if they want to come on stage. 00:44:58.059 --> 00:45:01.989 Sai: Which number? Microphone number two is... 00:45:01.989 --> 00:45:05.049 Herald: Number two is the microphone - you want to come on stage? 00:45:05.049 --> 00:45:07.940 Question: Yeah, sure. Sai: I just want to know if... 00:45:07.940 --> 00:45:13.829 Bit: Microphone #2 is in front of you in the aisle, #3 behind there. #1 left on the 00:45:13.829 --> 00:45:18.559 aisle, and #4 right. Sai: So it goes to number four if you're 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.859 willing to get on camera. Herald: So the question is right here. 00:45:20.859 --> 00:45:27.259 Sai: Can you please bring me my canes? Question: Thank you for the really 00:45:27.259 --> 00:45:28.819 impressive talk. Sai: Thank you. 00:45:28.819 --> 00:45:34.700 Question: My question is the following. So when - I want to know how your imagination 00:45:34.700 --> 00:45:40.799 works. So when someone says, imagine a box, what's that you think of. Is that the 00:45:40.799 --> 00:45:47.019 material or how it sounds, how it feels, just how does it work. 00:45:47.019 --> 00:45:54.430 Sai: Well there I would actually go to my kind of psychology talk that I gave a 00:45:54.430 --> 00:46:03.269 27C3, and a box is a category, theoretic concept that has a prototype, possibly. 00:46:03.269 --> 00:46:14.219 It's like asking: imagine a furniture. Hhm. Imagine a box! What kind of box? Is a 00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:20.690 shipping box? Is it a box of mate that are those little crates that I walk into etc. 00:46:20.690 --> 00:46:29.099 There are all different kinds of boxes. Is it an elevator? Yeah I don't know how to 00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:31.930 answer that kind of question. Question: So maybe I got that incorrect, 00:46:31.930 --> 00:46:37.969 but what I want to say is that when they try to think of something I had no idea 00:46:37.969 --> 00:46:44.509 and you project plan, or etc. I imagine how it looks. So how I am at a certain 00:46:44.509 --> 00:46:50.390 place or how I, for example, see a box if someone's talking about the box. So my 00:46:50.390 --> 00:46:55.989 brain works like visually creating visual pictures. So I was interested in how that 00:46:55.989 --> 00:46:59.759 works for blind people. Sai: Well, that depends on the blind 00:46:59.759 --> 00:47:09.249 person, I have - I've never really had a visual thought process. So when I've 00:47:09.249 --> 00:47:14.670 talked to people and asked them what is it like to think for you? So if people in the 00:47:14.670 --> 00:47:21.349 audience, think about this, if you're imagining like what you did over the last 00:47:21.349 --> 00:47:33.770 day - try it - okay. Many people here feel that as sort of a quasi audio monologue. 00:47:33.770 --> 00:47:41.439 That's like a voice in their head, except it's their voice, it's not other voices. 00:47:41.439 --> 00:47:48.130 Many people have it, like you have it, a sort of visual experience. Some people 00:47:48.130 --> 00:47:55.880 have it as scrolling text. Can I get a clap for anyone who has their thoughts as 00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:03.449 text? Anyone? No? Okay. Like two or three people who have that. For me it's purely 00:48:03.449 --> 00:48:08.539 abstract. But if I wanted to think of a box, yes I can think of a box. I can 00:48:08.539 --> 00:48:14.259 imagine it visually, I can imagine what it feels like, etc. Also please remember I 00:48:14.259 --> 00:48:23.920 can see in dark light. I can't see here because - even looking up is painful with 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.189 my eyes closed under this blindfold. There is enough light coming through that it 00:48:28.189 --> 00:48:34.029 hurts. I definitely would not be able to open my eyes and I could take my blindfold 00:48:34.029 --> 00:48:40.200 off temporarily but that was because I was willing to tolerate some pain. So if it's 00:48:40.200 --> 00:48:46.710 a dark room then I can see just fine. Herald: The next question is from the 00:48:46.710 --> 00:48:48.769 Internet so they won't be able to go on stage. 00:48:48.769 --> 00:48:51.730 Sai: Yes, the internet! Question: How do you feel about 00:48:51.730 --> 00:48:59.019 the app Be My Eyes. Sai: Be My Eyes. It's actually not bad. 00:48:59.019 --> 00:49:11.559 There's Be My Eyes, TapTapSee, BeSpecular, several for iPhone which I've never used 00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:17.180 because I've got an Android. Though iPhone, for what it's worth has, and Mac 00:49:17.180 --> 00:49:23.420 products in general, have really excellent support for blind people. TapTapSee is 00:49:23.420 --> 00:49:30.880 useful. It's not as useful for me because at home, like if I want to identify a can 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:37.869 of soup or whatever, I will just look at it with the lights down, so I can see it 00:49:37.869 --> 00:49:44.829 myself. And it's too much of a pain to use if I'm out, like if I'm grocery shopping. 00:49:44.829 --> 00:49:51.359 That's something that's a real pain to do and an accessibility issue. For those of 00:49:51.359 --> 00:50:03.630 you thinking about such things: if you only support the operation search or the 00:50:03.630 --> 00:50:11.880 operation look up and say I walk into a grocery store - which I have done - yeah, 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.839 shocking. And they come up to me and say, hey how can I help you, what do you want. 00:50:16.839 --> 00:50:23.209 I say well I don't know what I want. What do you have. I would like a savory snack 00:50:23.209 --> 00:50:32.670 that's vegetarian. What do you have. Well what do you want. Name it. And if I name 00:50:32.670 --> 00:50:38.829 it they'll get it from me but I don't know, especially if I'm in Germany. I have 00:50:38.829 --> 00:50:47.109 no idea what they sell here yet they still ask me. So browsing is much harder and 00:50:47.109 --> 00:50:52.279 with TapTapSee and with Be My Eyes and so forth, it's really for identifying a 00:50:52.279 --> 00:50:59.630 specific object. One thing that you may not be used to here but in more barbaric 00:50:59.630 --> 00:51:05.869 countries, all the paper currency is the same size and has no distinguishing 00:51:05.869 --> 00:51:12.569 features. Except for the next print run, because the American Federation for the 00:51:12.569 --> 00:51:17.740 Blind sued the U.S. Treasury and won. So the next generation of bills except for 00:51:17.740 --> 00:51:21.839 the one dollar note which the Treasury is not allowed to change by law, 00:51:21.839 --> 00:51:25.579 laughter the next generation will have blind 00:51:25.579 --> 00:51:30.739 accessibility features. Here, they have different sizes. If you feel your euros 00:51:30.739 --> 00:51:38.380 they have a little strip on the edge of them. And some versions of them have 00:51:38.380 --> 00:51:44.019 little braille dots that you can tell what they are. So that's that's not as bad 00:51:44.019 --> 00:51:50.209 here. Be My Eyes is more useful for someone who's blind at home as well. But 00:51:50.209 --> 00:51:53.660 it's a great app! Herald: Another question from microphone 4 00:51:53.660 --> 00:51:56.809 that's to the right of the stage. They can ask from there, but if they want to come 00:51:56.809 --> 00:51:57.809 up... Sai: Thank you! 00:51:57.809 --> 00:52:00.390 Herald: Do you want to come up? Sai: Ask first! 00:52:00.390 --> 00:52:05.319 Herald: I'm going to - sorry for all the... 00:52:05.319 --> 00:52:12.349 Question: So it was very impressive how you pick up on all the these things that 00:52:12.349 --> 00:52:18.510 like, I normally don't. So I was really curious when you meet a new person. What 00:52:18.510 --> 00:52:22.439 do you pick up. What do you pickup about them. Like how do you assess the person. 00:52:22.439 --> 00:52:28.489 How do you know they're like interesting, attractive, like how do you.... Because I 00:52:28.489 --> 00:52:33.079 use visual cues for that. Sai: So I'm going to answer you assuming 00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:42.539 that I'm blind at the time. If they come up to me and say "how much can you see?" 00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:46.449 then they're probably not a person I want to continue interacting with. 00:52:46.449 --> 00:52:50.449 laughter If there is someone who comes up to me, 00:52:50.449 --> 00:52:54.549 they've read my shirt about all sorts of different things that we can have a 00:52:54.549 --> 00:53:00.689 conversation about that's substantive, and they say: "hey how would you like to 00:53:00.689 --> 00:53:05.920 implement liquid democracy", or "how do you make a non-linear writing system", or 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:12.011 something like that. Then they're more likely an interesting person or they 00:53:12.011 --> 00:53:20.329 introduce themselves and are nice. How do you evaluate people? Like, you can't value 00:53:20.329 --> 00:53:28.579 them just by what they look like. I can tell your age and your approximate gender, 00:53:28.579 --> 00:53:38.150 and your approximate place that you were raised linguistically, and if you were at 00:53:38.150 --> 00:53:43.619 the same floor level, I can tell your height. I can probably tell roughly your 00:53:43.619 --> 00:53:50.440 weight just from your heat, your - the sound of your voice, the amount of 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:53.009 pressure that you're making on the floor - depending on what kind of floor it is, 00:53:53.009 --> 00:53:58.539 like if it's the stone out in the Messe, I'm not going to get anything from that. 00:53:58.539 --> 00:54:03.890 Yeah blind people can be racist too if that's what you're thinking. 00:54:03.890 --> 00:54:07.089 laughter Everybody can be racist. 00:54:07.089 --> 00:54:14.709 singing We're all a little bit racist. Yeah same way anyone else! 00:54:14.709 --> 00:54:18.849 Herald: So we will do one last question for microphone number two, that's center 00:54:18.849 --> 00:54:22.749 aisle. Question: So thank you for your talk. I 00:54:22.749 --> 00:54:27.699 think that was very inspiring. I was wondering, most of the methods you showed 00:54:27.699 --> 00:54:32.989 where rather analogue. So have you also tried something like maybe a smart cane so 00:54:32.989 --> 00:54:37.930 you have some more technical approach to detecting surfaces and obstacles, or other 00:54:37.930 --> 00:54:40.650 things, and what's your experience with this kind of thing? 00:54:40.650 --> 00:54:44.069 Sai: Hopefully my slide is still up there, where it says I'd be interested in 00:54:44.069 --> 00:54:51.759 collaborating on that. Eric Boyd at SenseBridge of NoiseBridge, where I used 00:54:51.759 --> 00:54:59.339 to be, made a nice anklet called the NorthPaw, which is basically a series of 00:54:59.339 --> 00:55:06.849 pager buzzers that vibrate to point to which way is north. I sadly broke mine, 00:55:06.849 --> 00:55:12.650 and if any of you have a working one, I would really like to have it! Absolute 00:55:12.650 --> 00:55:17.089 orientation is really difficult. So relative orientation, like what I was 00:55:17.089 --> 00:55:22.880 doing with the aikido, I can tell like where someone is. I can focus on them but 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:31.099 then it's easy to lose track of which way you're facing. So something like that is 00:55:31.099 --> 00:55:41.059 quite useful. There are some products that do this on demand. So I forget what it is 00:55:41.059 --> 00:55:48.069 called, but the LHZ Dresden had this product, which is a tactile feedback 00:55:48.069 --> 00:55:54.349 compass and clock. So if you click it and it will vibrate in different ways to tell 00:55:54.349 --> 00:56:02.710 you which way you're facing. That's - it doesn't really work very well. What you 00:56:02.710 --> 00:56:08.519 would want is something continuous. I've heard of canes where they've like attached 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:17.390 a camera to either the cane or to the to the grip, and it beeps or something when 00:56:17.390 --> 00:56:24.509 there's something there. I've never used one, so I can't comment on that directly 00:56:24.509 --> 00:56:30.930 but from blind friends, who told me about experiences with them, they tend to be 00:56:30.930 --> 00:56:36.140 engineered by sighted people who have no idea what it's like to be blind. That 00:56:36.140 --> 00:56:45.569 said, it is true that tree branches are a real obstacle, because if I try to sweep 00:56:45.569 --> 00:56:52.740 something and something is above this height like a tree branch at about this 00:56:52.740 --> 00:57:01.619 height or a metal sign like in Boston or D.C. or New York, or well really anywhere 00:57:01.619 --> 00:57:07.099 in the U.S. Not so much in London, they're pretty good about that except for the one 00:57:07.099 --> 00:57:10.140 time I walked into a government building and there was a monitor affixed to the 00:57:10.140 --> 00:57:13.019 wall at this height. indicates height of his head 00:57:13.019 --> 00:57:17.469 I cleared the column, hit the column. I knew there was a column there and I was 00:57:17.469 --> 00:57:23.959 just walking past the column and walked smack into the monitor. This was in a 00:57:23.959 --> 00:57:28.710 government building, sadly. But usually they're pretty good about it and I haven't 00:57:28.710 --> 00:57:37.029 found any like that here. But trees, there's always trees. Bus stops often have 00:57:37.029 --> 00:57:42.079 sort of the the sign on on the side, right? And there is like this gap that 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.319 might be this high indicates knee hight 00:57:44.319 --> 00:57:49.440 because I have a fairly long cane. Canes are usually anywhere between sternum and 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:55.949 nose. And mine is just at the edge of my nose. If I'm standing up tall. It's quite 00:57:55.949 --> 00:58:02.170 long because I walk really fast. So mine has a lower angle and that means that it's 00:58:02.170 --> 00:58:08.849 more likely to go under that and then I'll hit it like here when I'm almost at it. 00:58:08.849 --> 00:58:16.039 Tangles up my cane, it's kind of a pain. Yeah. So it's possible that something that 00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:22.829 detects a higher range will be useful. One thing that I'm specifically interested 00:58:22.829 --> 00:58:29.079 because it's something I'm bad at, is absolute orientation. So if you are an 00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:39.219 engineer or a hacker who is interested in collaborating on something like putting 00:58:39.219 --> 00:58:46.160 things in the cane grip or in a hat or on the side of eyeglasses or something like 00:58:46.160 --> 00:58:52.930 that, that would tell me which way is north, constantly, please get in touch. Or 00:58:52.930 --> 00:58:59.229 for that matter if you can make glasses that will take standard lenses and have 00:58:59.229 --> 00:59:05.519 zero light leakage, please get in touch. Because it turns out there aren't any such 00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:11.269 frames on the market for some reason. That's the technology. 00:59:11.269 --> 00:59:17.211 Thank you very much! Herald: I think we're out of time. 00:59:17.211 --> 00:59:19.893 Thank you Sai for a very interesting talk, big round of applause. 00:59:19.893 --> 00:59:23.839 applause 00:59:28.651 --> 00:59:31.854 postroll music 00:59:31.854 --> 00:59:52.000 subtitles created by c3subtitles.de in the year 2019. Join, and help us!