1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,849 rc3 prerol sound 2 00:00:26,849 --> 00:00:29,199 Herald: Oh, oh, this is Whabl. I will start with an English introduction and 3 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:33,230 followed up with the German one. Welcome to the "Kate Sheppad turning in her 4 00:00:33,230 --> 00:00:37,829 grave"- talk here at the Haecksen Stream during the next 20 minutes. The mother, 5 00:00:37,829 --> 00:00:42,040 musician and geek catalyst will take we talk about sexism in the professional and 6 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,560 personal life in the 21st century. During the talks, she will mentioned violence and 7 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,360 pornography, but without any expert images. After the talk, you can join us in 8 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,829 the Q&A, which is hosted on the Big Blue button. Herzlich Willkommen zum nächsten 9 00:00:53,829 --> 00:00:55,829 Talk "Kate Shepard must be turning in her grave". In den nächsten 20 Minuten die 10 00:00:55,829 --> 00:00:56,829 Mutter, Musikerin und Katalyst wird über Sexism im professionellen und persönlichem 11 00:00:56,829 --> 00:00:59,829 Leben, Gewalt, Pornographie sprechen im 21. Jahrhundert. Während des Talks wird 12 00:00:59,829 --> 00:01:01,829 Gewalt und Pornografie erwähnt, ohne expliziten Bildern. Nach dem Talk seid ihr 13 00:01:01,829 --> 00:01:03,829 herrzlich eingeladen zu Q&A der Haecksen zu BigBlueButton zu kommen. Viel Spaß! 14 00:01:03,829 --> 00:01:05,829 Eine Frau Spricht. Kate Shepard must be turning in her grave. aNixon, sponsoring 15 00:01:05,829 --> 00:01:06,829 incidents in which our music isn't on our list was sexist, Muslim, 5.10, wolfish 16 00:01:06,829 --> 00:01:08,829 Mumford does. I don't want to see one that's even just talk, said Gabbidon. 17 00:01:08,829 --> 00:01:15,450 Pornography, having skipped over a kind of explicit bidder. That's him. Talk. Angela 18 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:18,240 Consumption and Hexham Big Two weapons Pierce Parsons. Kate Sheppard would be 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,549 turning in her grave. This is the presentation by me. In October of this 20 00:01:23,549 --> 00:01:29,030 year at the ripe age of forty four, I started to study IT. I am going to become 21 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:34,530 a Fachinformatikerin, specializing in system administration or, as the Germans 22 00:01:34,530 --> 00:01:39,720 call it, physi. It's a big deal for me because I haven't got any completed 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,680 qualifications yet exit from my university entrance. I was ineligible to become a 24 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:55,729 baker, but I'm really glad that I took a leap and started learning IT instead. I 25 00:01:55,729 --> 00:01:59,090 was privileged enough to get a Bildungsgutschein. I had to go to 26 00:01:59,090 --> 00:02:04,719 Amazon.com over the summer and do German and math and logic tests, which were good 27 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:10,330 enough to convince that I can tour to let me do the course. And because of corona, 28 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:16,120 it's entirely online. I don't even have to leave the house to get an education. It's 29 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,800 just perfect right now. I feel so privileged. First of all, to be able to 30 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,530 retrain as an older student as it is. But secondly, I don't have to go out into the 31 00:02:24,530 --> 00:02:29,950 world every day in the middle of a pandemic. It's perfect! So I had zero 32 00:02:29,950 --> 00:02:34,859 strategy or even a proper strong will about learning when I was 18 and went to 33 00:02:34,859 --> 00:02:40,880 university during my uncompleted music studies. I took a 101 introduction to 34 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,579 computer science, but it was clear after the first two lectures that I should have 35 00:02:45,579 --> 00:02:49,670 taken the one or two instead, which was the basic course for the actual degree 36 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:56,160 path. I was this close. But although we were shown the basic hardware after that, 37 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,799 this is five months of Microsoft Office, sadly. And by the time I realized I was 38 00:03:01,799 --> 00:03:06,780 two behind on the material to be able to switch to the other course, but I always 39 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:11,440 had an interest in computers. The first from figuring out how I could use my dad's 40 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,479 old work dos work computer as a word processor, copying basic programs out of a 41 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:23,570 book onto a C64, or nervously trying out the single Apple computer at the tiny two 42 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:29,829 classroom country school I went to. I come from New Zealand, which is famous for 43 00:03:29,829 --> 00:03:36,310 being actually paradise. I get asked about once a week. What are you doing here? 44 00:03:36,310 --> 00:03:42,500 These days, I like to answer. I really like corona. Yeah, that's not a lot going 45 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:47,790 on in New Zealand, though, is a bit too finite for my personal tastes. I did this 46 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:52,419 weird mess when I left, which was based upon increasing the amount of possible 47 00:03:52,419 --> 00:03:59,360 things that could happen to me. I mean, how could I resist? But the challenges of 48 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,130 concentrated, detailed learning and my middle age, I feel it's necessary and very 49 00:04:04,130 --> 00:04:10,160 helpful to call on some girl bosses and strong role models. I have a very daunting 50 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,930 mission ahead of me, and I don't have time for doubt or distraction, especially with 51 00:04:14,930 --> 00:04:19,320 its five year old kid to care for as well. Will tell me that I look fat at the drop 52 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:25,919 of a hat. There are some amazing women who have come out of New Zealand, for example, 53 00:04:25,919 --> 00:04:31,350 on the left, you have Jane Batten, who made long-distance solo airplane journeys. 54 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:36,350 And on the right, this incredible woman as Nancy White, who was a New Zealander, a 55 00:04:36,350 --> 00:04:42,540 nurse and a journalist who went joined the French Foreign Legion in World War Two. 56 00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:47,540 She got the codename the White Mouse, and she once killed an SS officer with her 57 00:04:47,540 --> 00:04:52,012 bare hands. She had a five million franc price on her head and was the most 58 00:04:52,012 --> 00:04:59,570 decorated allied woman of World War Two. And this is Kate shippers who wasn't 59 00:04:59,570 --> 00:05:03,650 actually born in New Zealand, she was born in the UK, but her work is credited with 60 00:05:03,650 --> 00:05:08,240 being the catalyst for New Zealand being the first country on the entire planet to 61 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:14,600 give women the vote in 1893, who work also had a profound influence on other 62 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,310 countries, also making this improvement. Here she is featured currently on New 63 00:05:19,310 --> 00:05:26,270 Zealand's $10 bill and this is my great great grandmother, Jemima. Born in New 64 00:05:26,270 --> 00:05:31,090 Zealand in 1860, and she was one of the first woman in the world who was able to 65 00:05:31,090 --> 00:05:38,540 vote. There's another hero who appeared like a headmistress, the kind of angel to 66 00:05:38,540 --> 00:05:44,160 me and my youth. Helen Clark delivered a fiery speech at my school final assembly. 67 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,570 She was the second ever serving prime minister of New Zealand, but the first one 68 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:54,440 who is actually a less elected to the post and the first one who is actually nice. At 69 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,450 the time she spoke at my school, she'd already been deputy prime minister for a 70 00:05:57,450 --> 00:06:03,020 few years and would go on later very soon to become New Zealand's first elected 71 00:06:03,020 --> 00:06:09,070 female prime minister. Helen recently only narrowly missed out on becoming secretary 72 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:14,200 general of the United Nations. Yeah, Jacinta gets a lot of credit, but yeah, 73 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:19,480 Helen was there before. She told us in the speech that most of us would end up going 74 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,520 overseas and that when we did that, we should be the best possible ambassadors 75 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,620 for our little country that we could possibly be. A friend of mine told me 76 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:33,150 snappily several years later that in fact, we should be telling the world that New 77 00:06:33,150 --> 00:06:36,590 Zealand is full of drug addicts and prostitutes so that people stop going 78 00:06:36,590 --> 00:06:41,650 there for the holidays all the time. So it's actually rife with homelessness, 79 00:06:41,650 --> 00:06:46,960 crime and meth. So maybe go check out Australia instead. But her speech and 80 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:53,050 still a curiosity and me and I thought, Well, I want to be one of the ones that 81 00:06:53,050 --> 00:06:59,690 goes. So coming alone from this more experimental nation in 2000, the birth of 82 00:06:59,690 --> 00:07:05,710 the 20th century. As far as my feet can take me to the airport, to the beast that 83 00:07:05,710 --> 00:07:09,750 is Europe, I was ready for my eyes and all of my senses to be open wide to this 84 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:14,630 incredible continent. That was a source of philosophy and ideas and science and 85 00:07:14,630 --> 00:07:19,830 developments. But it seems to be a bit preoccupied with itself trying to decide 86 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:24,150 if people with darker skin were actually humans as well, let alone the fact that 87 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:30,490 you can't get a decent coffee until about 10 a.m. in the morning, which is worth. 88 00:07:30,490 --> 00:07:37,560 Which is worth a 20 minute talk in itself. There's definitely some issues that come 89 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:44,090 from being a cumbersome burdens dinosaur of a nation. 20 years later and somehow we 90 00:07:44,090 --> 00:07:48,740 have a universe with fax machine, fax machines and toxic Telegram groups exist 91 00:07:48,740 --> 00:07:54,880 at the same point in time. It's certainly a sharp contrast to the tiny, fast moving, 92 00:07:54,880 --> 00:08:02,150 tricky, isolated remote little island in the South Pacific that I herald from. So 93 00:08:02,150 --> 00:08:05,590 as I mentioned, New Zealand owes status as the first country to give women the vote 94 00:08:05,590 --> 00:08:10,590 and a great part to the work of the suffragette Kate Sheppard. And I think 95 00:08:10,590 --> 00:08:13,050 that had a lot to do with the fact that it was a small country with a tiny 96 00:08:13,050 --> 00:08:18,310 population, and that's just simply makes it easier to change things. It was also 97 00:08:18,310 --> 00:08:22,570 fueled heavily by the wishes of woman's prohibit alcohol, which invariably comes 98 00:08:22,570 --> 00:08:27,930 with violence, which is rife in a colony of much less penetrant social pressures, 99 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:34,260 much more isolation and dodgy home brew than in their homelands. You didn't have 100 00:08:34,260 --> 00:08:39,180 to convince and convert so many people in New Zealand as you had to in Germany. And 101 00:08:39,180 --> 00:08:41,860 in addition to that, you also didn't have to change so many laws because there 102 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:48,180 weren't that many laws. Germany always feels to me like this big, friendly but 103 00:08:48,180 --> 00:08:53,600 cumbersome bureaucratic dinosaur. But in the late eighteen hundreds in New Zealand, 104 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,600 white people only been there for about 50 years. So I think this enables the whole 105 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,230 process to be streamlined. Opponents labeled the movement as a leap in the 106 00:09:02,230 --> 00:09:09,139 dark, but in reality it was a giant leap into the light. Germany wasn't that far 107 00:09:09,139 --> 00:09:14,680 behind at this stage. Women had the vote here by 1919 and directly at the same 108 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:20,700 time. Women were also able to be elected to office, which is fantastic. And 109 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:24,639 obviously some things happened after that, which slowed the whole thing down a bit. 110 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:28,740 But something I keep hearing again since I've been living in this country is, oh 111 00:09:28,740 --> 00:09:33,009 yeah. But in the 70s, it was still the law here that women weren't allowed to have 112 00:09:33,009 --> 00:09:37,399 their own bank accounts without their husbands signing off on it. So look how 113 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:43,029 well we've done considering there, but this feels to me like an excuse. This is 114 00:09:43,029 --> 00:09:48,600 50 years ago now, and there's been plenty of time to accelerate this stuff, to kick 115 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:54,540 up some kind of quantum feminism to make up for lost cars. If only Germany put as 116 00:09:54,540 --> 00:10:02,010 much energy into equality as it did and to building car engines. So despite these 117 00:10:02,010 --> 00:10:06,050 excuses, despite hearing repeatedly from friends of mine who were living more 118 00:10:06,050 --> 00:10:11,029 mainstream lives than me, that this glass ceiling is dare to be put out by us from 119 00:10:11,029 --> 00:10:15,920 underneath so that mostly men can look down through it with a nice, clear view. 120 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:21,350 Regardless of knowing all of this in my brain, I was still pretty shocked when I 121 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:27,619 started studying IT in 2021 to find out whether I was on a course with only one 122 00:10:27,619 --> 00:10:33,420 other woman and with twenty five guys, especially them with an almost too long in 123 00:10:33,420 --> 00:10:37,670 particular that there will be a higher percentage of woman. It would be really 124 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:41,399 nice if Germany could speed it up just a little bit and the equality area, because 125 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:46,240 this is a field where a lot more women should be and it's so interesting, so 126 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,389 broad. When you look at on paper, there is no reason why it should be a male 127 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:55,320 dominated industry. It's not a physically demanding job, and the fact that you can 128 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,579 work from home makes it perfect. For example, single parents, women with 129 00:10:59,579 --> 00:11:05,579 younger children who want to be home when they expect from school, like I do. I just 130 00:11:05,579 --> 00:11:10,279 think there's so much more potential than just being a digital sausage fest. I 131 00:11:10,279 --> 00:11:16,510 really think this country has got enough sausages. I do also realize that I can 132 00:11:16,510 --> 00:11:21,610 only see this from my particular perspective, for my particular experiences 133 00:11:21,610 --> 00:11:27,101 and my individual blundering romp through this world and probably the IT profession 134 00:11:27,101 --> 00:11:31,860 in New Zealand is just as behind. No shade, everyone. But I'm just wondering 135 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:38,149 how come it's not better than it is? I keep getting told how brave I am for doing 136 00:11:38,149 --> 00:11:43,839 this, which feels infuriating. It doesn't feel like it should be brave. It feels 137 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:47,740 like it should be really normal to do what I'm doing, but instead a sincere take a 138 00:11:47,740 --> 00:11:52,550 big heaving pair of virtual balls to drive dove into an industry that women have been 139 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:57,160 successful in since the beginning. I'm pretty much starting from scratch and it's 140 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,720 overwhelming and it's so much. I've worked a office job for about 40 hours a week, 141 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:09,540 learning from home on Zoom the entire time. Something quite different. So I will 142 00:12:09,540 --> 00:12:13,009 see how this progresses, and I just relish the determination that I feel at the 143 00:12:13,009 --> 00:12:20,370 moment, and I hope that I can sustain it for the next 19 months. And I mean, I'm 144 00:12:20,370 --> 00:12:26,660 late to the party no matter what happens. But hey, season three of last. Some of the 145 00:12:26,660 --> 00:12:32,290 best characters hadn't even shown up yet. So for now, I'm trying to study every day, 146 00:12:32,290 --> 00:12:38,739 at least a little bit after class and in the weekends, and I'm sure so short, 147 00:12:38,739 --> 00:12:42,490 overwhelmed with so much information right now that I hope that as long as I 148 00:12:42,490 --> 00:12:49,040 consistently keep putting more time than I'm required to, I'll be OK. Regardless of 149 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,920 how much English there is in IT, it is still a massive challenge to study in a 150 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,079 foreign language. I try and Ubertreibe das. Just a little bit all the time and 151 00:12:58,079 --> 00:13:04,329 read another few pages, look at a few YouTube videos or listen to a podcast. It 152 00:13:04,329 --> 00:13:07,720 is complicated somewhat by the fact that the proofing system has just been 153 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:13,059 dramatically overhauled by the car instead of a MultiChoice exam for this 154 00:13:13,059 --> 00:13:17,110 zwischenprüfung. Apparently, it's now more similar to how the end exams used to be, 155 00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:22,439 and nobody has even set a final exam in this new structure yet. It's pretty 156 00:13:22,439 --> 00:13:27,829 terrifying. Our tests in between seem to be creepily easy considering what is 157 00:13:27,829 --> 00:13:33,350 coming. But all I do, I just figure in my situation, my job didn't fire what I need 158 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:38,239 to know. And if I can do that, I'm halfway there. I feel like I'm collecting 159 00:13:38,239 --> 00:13:42,489 knowledge on a big scale and I know there is more to come. So I'm trying to get the 160 00:13:42,489 --> 00:13:49,329 basics down as firmly as I can, which includes figuring out a way to be clear 161 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:56,629 and the stingless universe that I mean villain or faulen. Am I talking Denglish 162 00:13:56,629 --> 00:14:05,139 or am I talking, gentlemen? So Phil, I just confuses me constantly because I 163 00:14:05,139 --> 00:14:09,230 don't don't even know what I'm supposed to be saying. But a classmate of mine made a 164 00:14:09,230 --> 00:14:14,389 good call to sign it and then on an abbreviated form every time to avoid 165 00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:19,449 confusion. So I'm just going to go with that. So I've dropped a few of my habits 166 00:14:19,449 --> 00:14:24,449 to make space to study. I don't play drums as much as I was before. I stopped writing 167 00:14:24,449 --> 00:14:29,259 songs for now, but I've started jogging in the mornings and I still play bass guitar 168 00:14:29,259 --> 00:14:34,269 in a punk band in Nepal on the weekends. But corona is just the best time to be 169 00:14:34,269 --> 00:14:38,720 studying because I'm missing out on nothing. I can stay home most of the 170 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:44,299 weekend and just alternate cleaning and cooking and learning all the time. My 171 00:14:44,299 --> 00:14:48,019 mental health is also a huge priority for me, especially with COVID staying 172 00:14:48,019 --> 00:14:52,649 positive. And when these little nagging thoughts come up, just be like, I don't 173 00:14:52,649 --> 00:14:56,660 have time for this now. Maybe another time, but it's the little things that make 174 00:14:56,660 --> 00:15:01,660 the difference in the end, and my body's just as important as my mind. I need to 175 00:15:01,660 --> 00:15:06,489 stay primed for exponential knowledge and take and to not take the teenager's bad 176 00:15:06,489 --> 00:15:12,610 moods personally. I want to say a little something about social media because it 177 00:15:12,610 --> 00:15:18,299 has been on my mind. I don't like being confronted with any sexual content when 178 00:15:18,299 --> 00:15:21,810 I'm trying to learn. I don't want to see it jiggling bottom when I'm trying to 179 00:15:21,810 --> 00:15:27,649 digest my abendbrot. But it's jarring just because of its appropriateness, let alone 180 00:15:27,649 --> 00:15:32,999 the content itself. There was some really dodgy stuff in a WhatsApp group. I wanted 181 00:15:32,999 --> 00:15:39,209 to say something, but it's really not easy to do. I sort of thought about it and 182 00:15:39,209 --> 00:15:44,060 almost decided to just leave the group rather than to mention it. I was really 183 00:15:44,060 --> 00:15:51,929 grateful when somebody said something about it. Shout out Fan 2021, your jam. 184 00:15:51,929 --> 00:15:59,540 And since then, it's been noticeably a lot better. But so here and there, some on the 185 00:15:59,540 --> 00:16:04,850 border stuff gets shared. I mean, my social media contact with the people in my 186 00:16:04,850 --> 00:16:10,720 class is to further my knowledge, to and unterstützt my learning process not to 187 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,860 look at bums. I do not want to be confronted with reproductive biology when 188 00:16:14,860 --> 00:16:19,879 I'm just checking the time. Maybe, maybe I should start posting a recipe every time 189 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:26,709 somebody posted something. Or maybe like I should say something about every single 190 00:16:26,709 --> 00:16:34,369 time I should write. But it's so hard. I don't want to be the one coming in and 191 00:16:34,369 --> 00:16:40,499 saying, blah blah blah. I don't care. I'm not only a woman, I'm also old, so I'm 192 00:16:40,499 --> 00:16:45,579 really trying to not send off this grandma vibes. I don't want to be the camp mother. 193 00:16:45,579 --> 00:16:50,150 I want to be right there in the thick of the scrum. I've got a thick skin, and I 194 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:54,509 realize that not every woman is confident enough to travel the world with no money 195 00:16:54,509 --> 00:16:59,110 to make bands and found clubs and magazines that survive a divorce without 196 00:16:59,110 --> 00:17:04,699 getting a single tattoo. Some major achievement, by the way, so I see it as a 197 00:17:04,699 --> 00:17:08,760 moral responsibility to see this through to get this qualification, even if it 198 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:15,290 doesn't inspire a single other person, possibly my 12 year old. But that kind of 199 00:17:15,290 --> 00:17:19,049 just depends on the way that the wind is blowing, and the irony of doing all of 200 00:17:19,049 --> 00:17:25,240 this out of my kitchen has not escaped me. Maybe I can change a few perspectives in 201 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:33,270 the process. I am here and very loud. I'm going to ask all the questions and I'm 202 00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:38,470 going, Stay to the end. I need to achieve this because of the woman before me who 203 00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:46,450 sacrificed so much. It's ridiculous that I wasn't born onto an even playing field in 204 00:17:46,450 --> 00:17:52,679 the 1970s, but I'm jumping every day as hard as I possibly can. These trailblazers 205 00:17:52,679 --> 00:17:56,299 who busted their asses to get us the right to be able to vote democratically will be 206 00:17:56,299 --> 00:18:01,690 shaking their heads. I think about Kate Sheppard and try and leap into the light 207 00:18:01,690 --> 00:18:06,320 on every possible occasion. I want to show my kid that you can do anything when you 208 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,110 really want to. But first, I need to get this network stuff down. I woke up half 209 00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:15,750 dreaming about protocol abbreviations last weekend, so I think I'm on the right 210 00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:24,389 track. If you want to follow me on Twitter, my name is @diebestimmerin. I 211 00:18:24,389 --> 00:18:27,601 can't believe that it wasn't taken but wasn't taken a few years ago when I 212 00:18:27,601 --> 00:18:35,809 grabbed it, when Twitter wasn't as popular as it is now. So I post a lot of sarcastic 213 00:18:35,809 --> 00:18:41,809 remarks about learning IT sang at home during corona. And as you can see, some of 214 00:18:41,809 --> 00:18:49,090 the mind bending, dangling atrocities that I happened to come across. That's it for 215 00:18:49,090 --> 00:18:54,920 me today. I want to give a shout out to my wonderful classmates who are watching. 216 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,309 Thank you for your support. You're great. And thanks everybody for sticking around. 217 00:18:59,309 --> 00:19:02,730 Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers. 218 00:19:02,730 --> 00:19:08,409 Herald: But then you do for the great talk. Is this comes less? Let's discuss 219 00:19:08,409 --> 00:19:12,240 some further points and join us for the Q&A. 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