WEBVTT 00:00:06.105 --> 00:00:08.048 (Shani) Good morning, everyone, 00:00:08.048 --> 00:00:10.965 and welcome to the Wikidata and Education panel. 00:00:12.998 --> 00:00:17.292 We're just happy anyone is here because there are four amazing sessions 00:00:17.292 --> 00:00:20.368 happening all at the same time so thank you for showing up. 00:00:20.368 --> 00:00:24.910 - (audience 1) We're happy you're here. - (Shani) Yes, we are also happy and we-- 00:00:25.250 --> 00:00:26.691 Yes, yes, yes. 00:00:26.691 --> 00:00:29.554 I mean, really all the sessions are really good 00:00:29.554 --> 00:00:33.427 so this is for the people at home, if you're watching something else, 00:00:33.427 --> 00:00:37.883 please come watch us later or vice versa because there's a lot of awesomeness 00:00:37.883 --> 00:00:39.084 in this conference. 00:00:39.084 --> 00:00:42.691 So good morning again and just to be clear 00:00:42.691 --> 00:00:45.448 on what to expect from this session, we're going to have 00:00:45.448 --> 00:00:48.793 a really quick introduction of these amazing people 00:00:48.793 --> 00:00:51.215 that are assembled here today. 00:00:52.145 --> 00:00:55.718 We're going to do an introduction of around three minutes each, 00:00:55.718 --> 00:00:58.876 and then we're simply going to have a chat. 00:00:58.876 --> 00:01:02.019 We're going to discuss education and Wikidata 00:01:02.019 --> 00:01:05.092 and what could be done together and hopefully we can then 00:01:05.092 --> 00:01:09.095 open the floor to questions but do feel free to basically interrupt us 00:01:09.095 --> 00:01:11.754 if you have something burning and you really want to know 00:01:11.754 --> 00:01:13.411 the answer to. 00:01:13.411 --> 00:01:15.240 So without further ado, 00:01:16.110 --> 00:01:17.839 let's meet our panelists. 00:01:18.459 --> 00:01:20.180 And the first is João. 00:01:20.180 --> 00:01:21.857 (João) So, hi, everyone. 00:01:21.857 --> 00:01:23.756 Is it working? 00:01:23.756 --> 00:01:28.742 Yup, okay, so my name is João Peschanski, username Joaolpe. 00:01:28.742 --> 00:01:32.277 I'm a member of the user group, Wiki Movimento Brasil 00:01:32.277 --> 00:01:34.889 and the user group, Wikipedia and Education. 00:01:35.409 --> 00:01:37.083 And I'm a university professor, 00:01:37.083 --> 00:01:39.812 particularly in the Department of Social Communications 00:01:39.812 --> 00:01:43.570 where I teach Computational Journalism Media studies. 00:01:44.020 --> 00:01:47.688 - And I have two slides, I'm not sure-- - (Shani) Tell me when to switch. 00:01:47.688 --> 00:01:49.386 Okay, yeah, you can switch. 00:01:49.386 --> 00:01:53.514 So I will just mention two projects that to some extent, 00:01:53.514 --> 00:01:57.178 give a background of what I'm-- what my understanding of the connection 00:01:57.178 --> 00:02:00.172 of Wikidata and educations are. 00:02:00.172 --> 00:02:04.327 So the first project is the idea 00:02:04.327 --> 00:02:10.712 of using Wikidata as an instrument for Wikipedia, both and mostly to create 00:02:10.712 --> 00:02:16.096 more meaningfulness and efficiency in the process of working with my students 00:02:16.096 --> 00:02:19.545 so this was a project done twice. 00:02:19.845 --> 00:02:24.641 In which my students created true structure narratives 00:02:24.641 --> 00:02:30.441 based on Wikidata, entries for Wikipedia in Portuguese on elections. 00:02:30.441 --> 00:02:36.709 There were around 400 entries created and the idea is to have my students 00:02:36.709 --> 00:02:42.393 not feel the idea that editing Wikipedia, 00:02:42.393 --> 00:02:45.153 particularly tables, is boring. 00:02:45.153 --> 00:02:50.703 So it provides a gigantic structured draft based on Wikidata. 00:02:50.703 --> 00:02:54.736 So it provides more efficiency and effectiveness for the students. 00:02:55.036 --> 00:02:57.270 If you could go to the second one. 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.561 And we can talk later if you're interested I provide a lot of links. 00:03:01.561 --> 00:03:06.343 And so the second case is one that I'm running right now. 00:03:06.343 --> 00:03:11.377 So in Brazil, there were four distinct investigations 00:03:11.377 --> 00:03:15.658 of human rights crimes committed during the military dictatorship, 00:03:15.658 --> 00:03:17.806 two by the government, one by intellectuals, 00:03:17.806 --> 00:03:22.775 one by family members of killed and disappeared people in Brazil. 00:03:22.775 --> 00:03:25.803 And as they were completely autonomous 00:03:27.923 --> 00:03:31.993 and diverse, data that they collected was conflicting. 00:03:31.993 --> 00:03:36.088 So we are using Wikidata as a way of dealing 00:03:36.868 --> 00:03:41.707 with conflicted information, disagreeing data, knowledge diversity. 00:03:41.707 --> 00:03:46.410 And having my students work as curators of the information, 00:03:46.410 --> 00:03:50.116 in which we don't impose one over the other but we try to understand 00:03:50.116 --> 00:03:54.267 the context and methodology of the information that was created 00:03:54.267 --> 00:03:59.297 and there is, of course, actual results 00:03:59.297 --> 00:04:00.937 and there is a dashboard you can check, 00:04:00.937 --> 00:04:04.346 but I would just point on this one, a recent Wikidata live training 00:04:04.346 --> 00:04:07.190 that we had with Denny Vrandecic on disagreeing data 00:04:07.190 --> 00:04:10.586 and knowledge diversity that has actually informed the way 00:04:10.586 --> 00:04:16.198 we are working the methodology around this particular project. 00:04:16.198 --> 00:04:18.138 - And I thank you. - (Shani) Thank you so much. 00:04:18.138 --> 00:04:19.488 Next is Ewan. 00:04:24.418 --> 00:04:26.182 (Ewan) Yes, so, hi, my name is Ewan. 00:04:26.182 --> 00:04:30.289 I work as the Wikimedian in Residence at the University of Edinburgh. 00:04:30.289 --> 00:04:34.034 It's a partnership between Wikimedia UK 00:04:34.034 --> 00:04:36.498 and the University of Edinburgh looking at ways 00:04:36.498 --> 00:04:41.659 in which we can benefit from and contribute to the Wikimedia projects. 00:04:41.659 --> 00:04:45.480 We're working with about ten different course programs at the moment. 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:49.333 And we're on the verge of publishing our first booklet of case studies 00:04:49.333 --> 00:04:54.766 of how Wikimedia is being used in education in the U.K. 00:04:55.036 --> 00:05:00.415 In particular, we've been working with Data Science for Design Masters students 00:05:00.415 --> 00:05:02.578 for about three years now. 00:05:02.578 --> 00:05:07.439 And the course leaders on that course approached myself 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:12.466 after me and Navina Evans, who's behind Histropedia, around a workshop 00:05:12.466 --> 00:05:17.303 at Repository Fringe conference focused on Wikidata, 00:05:17.303 --> 00:05:20.902 and they were really interested in teaching data science 00:05:20.902 --> 00:05:24.035 through working with real world data sets. 00:05:24.615 --> 00:05:27.905 And so what they do is they host a data fair 00:05:28.505 --> 00:05:32.663 every year in October where people from around Edinburgh, 00:05:32.663 --> 00:05:36.888 around Scotland, different institutions come and pitch a data set 00:05:36.888 --> 00:05:40.113 to the students on the Masters program there 00:05:40.113 --> 00:05:44.936 to work with intensively over a seven-week period. 00:05:44.936 --> 00:05:47.694 It's a three minute sort of speed dating exercise 00:05:47.694 --> 00:05:51.599 where a data set is pitched and the students organize themselves 00:05:51.599 --> 00:05:54.917 into groups of three and they then... 00:05:56.027 --> 00:06:01.854 analyze the data set, work with it and they want to tell engaging visual-- 00:06:02.634 --> 00:06:05.443 visualizations with those data sets. 00:06:05.443 --> 00:06:09.513 So of the 15 data sets that were pitched by places 00:06:09.513 --> 00:06:12.470 like The National Library of Scotland, National Records of Scotland, 00:06:12.470 --> 00:06:17.039 I pitched this data set which is The Survey of Scottish Witchcraft database 00:06:17.039 --> 00:06:19.559 which is one of the University of Edinburgh's own 00:06:19.559 --> 00:06:23.116 and it was in a Microsoft access database. 00:06:23.116 --> 00:06:27.451 And it basically has all the records of witch trials in Scotland 00:06:27.451 --> 00:06:33.194 from 1563 to 1736, stored in a static access database 00:06:33.194 --> 00:06:36.612 and we just pitched to the students what could they do 00:06:36.612 --> 00:06:39.518 if they turn that into linked open data. 00:06:39.928 --> 00:06:43.543 And we did that over two years and that leveraged some money 00:06:43.543 --> 00:06:46.739 to hire a Women in STEM student, 00:06:46.739 --> 00:06:52.003 become an intern for three months and she had a background in GIS. 00:06:52.643 --> 00:06:55.058 So we asked her to look at all the place names mentioned 00:06:55.058 --> 00:06:59.585 in the data set so that she could then plot all of these witch trials, 00:06:59.585 --> 00:07:04.156 all of these accused witches on a map which now exists on this website 00:07:04.156 --> 00:07:07.675 which was live as of a month ago. 00:07:07.675 --> 00:07:09.715 And we're now pitching to the students 00:07:09.715 --> 00:07:15.124 a further project of now that the information is on Wikidata, 00:07:15.124 --> 00:07:20.303 can we do some network analysis of seeing who the main influencers were 00:07:21.703 --> 00:07:25.620 and link it up that much better and have a really rich understanding 00:07:25.620 --> 00:07:27.235 of this period of history. 00:07:27.525 --> 00:07:29.021 Okay, that's me. 00:07:30.561 --> 00:07:32.544 (Shani) And next-- Thank you so much, Ewan. 00:07:32.544 --> 00:07:34.574 - Next is Debora. - (Debora) Hi, thank you. 00:07:34.574 --> 00:07:36.445 Thank you, guys all for being here. 00:07:36.925 --> 00:07:40.022 I have been a Wikipedia author for forever 00:07:40.022 --> 00:07:44.033 and I'm a professor for Computer Science here in Berlin 00:07:44.033 --> 00:07:46.290 at a local engineering college. 00:07:47.350 --> 00:07:53.016 I've been teaching a course called Semantic Modeling since about ten years. 00:07:53.386 --> 00:07:58.065 And in the past three recent years, I've started using Wikidata 00:07:58.065 --> 00:08:01.852 as one of the examples for what we're actually doing. 00:08:01.852 --> 00:08:05.065 Do you want to go onto the next one, please, Shani, thank you. 00:08:05.065 --> 00:08:09.874 What we're doing is this project called, University Degrees. 00:08:09.874 --> 00:08:11.831 Now the students start off with the background 00:08:11.831 --> 00:08:13.794 that they've learned all the traditional stuff 00:08:13.794 --> 00:08:19.077 about RDF and OWL and using Protege and it hurts and it's stupid 00:08:19.077 --> 00:08:20.699 and I hate this. 00:08:22.169 --> 00:08:25.007 So after we've been through the fire of that, 00:08:25.007 --> 00:08:27.684 then we graduate to Wikidata. 00:08:27.684 --> 00:08:32.240 And we decided to model this microscopic part of the universe 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:35.162 called University Degrees because we're a university 00:08:35.162 --> 00:08:37.297 and we know all about university degrees. 00:08:37.297 --> 00:08:41.599 And because there is a database available in Germany called Anabin 00:08:41.599 --> 00:08:46.354 that has all of the data, theoretically, in it on degrees that are granted. 00:08:46.354 --> 00:08:49.036 I use it as a member of the admissions committee 00:08:49.036 --> 00:08:52.068 for our Masters program to see if a Bachelors degree program 00:08:52.068 --> 00:08:53.753 is accredited or not. 00:08:53.753 --> 00:08:54.781 And so the idea was, 00:08:54.781 --> 00:08:57.582 "Well, we'll just dump Anabin into Wikidata." 00:08:57.582 --> 00:09:02.312 Then we learned that reality is much, much worse than this actually is. 00:09:02.312 --> 00:09:05.006 So what they end up doing is choosing a country, 00:09:05.006 --> 00:09:07.895 they researched the university structure there, 00:09:07.895 --> 00:09:13.551 usually just pick one or two universities and then try to model the degrees 00:09:13.551 --> 00:09:14.567 that are granted. 00:09:14.567 --> 00:09:17.632 We got a property accepted called Grants 00:09:17.632 --> 00:09:20.827 that a university grants this degree and the idea is we can see 00:09:20.827 --> 00:09:25.049 what degrees are granted by a university and when we go to a person 00:09:25.049 --> 00:09:27.951 that we can model which degree they actually have. 00:09:27.951 --> 00:09:31.057 Now we've ended up with a lot of problems and I have some modeling problems 00:09:31.057 --> 00:09:33.083 I can't model in Wikidata. 00:09:33.083 --> 00:09:36.155 If anybody have some great ideas, I'd love to talk to you about it 00:09:36.155 --> 00:09:39.133 because we have the issue of double degrees 00:09:39.133 --> 00:09:40.644 and double majors. 00:09:40.644 --> 00:09:44.123 And there's all sorts of monsters running around Wikidata called 00:09:44.123 --> 00:09:48.180 things like Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery. 00:09:48.180 --> 00:09:52.159 And I just can't imagine putting together all the possible combinations 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:56.422 of double degrees into Wikidata, that would just kill me. 00:09:56.422 --> 00:09:58.611 There are also degrees that have more than one 00:09:58.611 --> 00:10:00.194 participating university. 00:10:00.194 --> 00:10:03.579 We found one that has five participating universities 00:10:03.579 --> 00:10:05.997 for the first year and three different ones 00:10:05.997 --> 00:10:07.366 for the second year. 00:10:07.896 --> 00:10:09.754 And then there's the question of Honors degrees 00:10:09.754 --> 00:10:11.969 which is different in all different countries 00:10:11.969 --> 00:10:15.211 and so it turns out to have lots of wonderful modeling issues 00:10:15.211 --> 00:10:17.964 that I have no idea how we're going to go on with this. 00:10:17.964 --> 00:10:19.604 And the next slide. 00:10:20.194 --> 00:10:23.120 The last one just to give you an idea, we collect stuff. 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.581 So in our Wiki project, we have a table and you're welcome to-- 00:10:26.581 --> 00:10:29.913 if you find something weird, to put it in there. 00:10:29.913 --> 00:10:33.720 We have all these Bachelors degrees that we found floating around Wikidata, 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.314 Masters degrees, there's this wonderful one over here 00:10:36.314 --> 00:10:40.962 under Other, a Masters degree in Icelandic Medieval Studies. 00:10:42.192 --> 00:10:45.090 I think the five people who've graduated from that 00:10:45.090 --> 00:10:47.912 - are probably all on Wikidata, right? - (laughter) 00:10:47.912 --> 00:10:52.036 So anyway, my interest is from more of a Computer Science point of view, 00:10:52.036 --> 00:10:54.488 what is an ontology, what is classification systems, 00:10:54.488 --> 00:10:55.794 how do we go about doing this? 00:10:55.794 --> 00:10:58.976 And we thought university degrees would be easy and they're not. 00:11:00.206 --> 00:11:01.683 (Shani) Thank you so much, Debora. 00:11:01.683 --> 00:11:04.801 And next is Akbar Ali. 00:11:05.591 --> 00:11:06.709 (Akbar) Thank you, Shani 00:11:06.709 --> 00:11:10.258 My name is Akbar Ali from Dubai, United Arab Emirates. 00:11:10.908 --> 00:11:15.523 I'm working as a Social Science teacher in a United Arab Emirates school. 00:11:17.153 --> 00:11:22.743 Since 2015, I use Wikidata and try to introduce Wikidata 00:11:22.743 --> 00:11:26.217 in the school basic level education, especially in high school standard 00:11:26.217 --> 00:11:27.640 as part of that. 00:11:28.570 --> 00:11:33.106 Yeah, we introduced Wikidata among these high school students, 00:11:33.106 --> 00:11:38.603 especially to collect data at first, especially personal data 00:11:38.603 --> 00:11:40.195 of the great personalities. 00:11:40.195 --> 00:11:44.091 And we [carry out] assignments to students to collect the data 00:11:44.091 --> 00:11:46.777 from the Wikidata, that was the [inaudible] direction part. 00:11:47.277 --> 00:11:50.708 And then same [inaudible] we did Wikidata info books. 00:11:51.248 --> 00:11:56.071 Students prepare info books by modeling Wikidata 00:11:56.071 --> 00:11:58.753 that was developed [inaudible]. 00:11:58.753 --> 00:12:01.524 Then the extra activity was we had the students 00:12:01.524 --> 00:12:07.586 from different countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan and European countries also. 00:12:07.586 --> 00:12:09.882 And a lot of students are from different languages, 00:12:09.882 --> 00:12:14.640 so we conducted the translation of labels and the descriptions. 00:12:15.710 --> 00:12:19.270 And from the classroom itself we're using the device students edited 00:12:19.730 --> 00:12:22.121 some descriptions and labels. 00:12:22.121 --> 00:12:27.129 At the same time, we had four classrooms around 28 students 00:12:27.129 --> 00:12:31.908 were in each classroom, so totally we had 112 participation 00:12:31.908 --> 00:12:33.705 from four classes. 00:12:33.705 --> 00:12:37.124 And we also encountered a teacher training program 00:12:37.124 --> 00:12:41.090 for teachers who were trying to introduce Wikidata 00:12:41.090 --> 00:12:43.523 into their subject. 00:12:44.733 --> 00:12:46.524 At the same time, we have some challenges 00:12:46.524 --> 00:12:48.536 And many students do not have the devices 00:12:48.536 --> 00:12:50.724 that we are going to tackle my next academic year 00:12:50.724 --> 00:12:53.575 by using a lot of devices. 00:12:53.575 --> 00:12:55.585 And the internet connectivity is another issue, 00:12:55.585 --> 00:13:00.526 some of the students or sometimes we feel the lack of internet connectivity, 00:13:00.526 --> 00:13:04.630 and that is especially when we try these activities in the [inaudible] 00:13:04.630 --> 00:13:06.833 so there's internet connectivity issues [inaudible]. 00:13:07.053 --> 00:13:11.444 And actually Wikidata or Wikipedia, it's just not the part of a curriculum 00:13:11.444 --> 00:13:14.629 but next academic year we are trying to introduce, 00:13:14.629 --> 00:13:18.775 as a curriculum tool, Wikidata. 00:13:19.105 --> 00:13:22.872 That is one of the future plans and we also would like to teach 00:13:22.872 --> 00:13:27.495 the students some of the basic SPARQL query. 00:13:28.315 --> 00:13:32.969 And same [inaudible] we also try to form the Wiki clubs 00:13:32.969 --> 00:13:35.122 in schools, that is one of our future plans. 00:13:36.052 --> 00:13:37.663 Yeah, that's it. 00:13:37.663 --> 00:13:39.552 (Shani) Thank you so much. 00:13:39.552 --> 00:13:42.388 And lastly, we also need to meet me, kind of. 00:13:42.388 --> 00:13:44.383 So hi, everyone, I'm Shani Evenstein. 00:13:44.383 --> 00:13:47.487 I'm from Israel, I work at the Tel Aviv University, 00:13:47.487 --> 00:13:52.328 I'm an educator and a researcher, actually my PhD is about Wikidata, 00:13:52.328 --> 00:13:55.334 specifically as a learning platform. 00:13:55.334 --> 00:13:59.087 I've been an open knowledge advocate for a long time now 00:13:59.087 --> 00:14:03.056 and just recently became part of the Board of Trustees. 00:14:03.056 --> 00:14:05.068 The only reason I have to mention it 00:14:05.068 --> 00:14:08.114 is just to say that everything I say here 00:14:08.114 --> 00:14:12.879 is not in my hat as a trustee or a representation of the WMF, 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:18.588 but rather of me as a volunteer and an educator and a researcher. 00:14:19.338 --> 00:14:22.261 And I want to tell you a bit about my experience. 00:14:22.261 --> 00:14:26.466 So I've been teaching Wikidata, 00:14:27.211 --> 00:14:29.306 I would say since-- 00:14:30.856 --> 00:14:34.622 2014 would be the first year that I started to introduce it 00:14:34.622 --> 00:14:35.937 to my courses. 00:14:36.637 --> 00:14:38.740 But I would--before delving into my courses, 00:14:38.740 --> 00:14:42.484 I would say that there are two major models 00:14:42.484 --> 00:14:45.416 of incorporating Wikidata into the academic curriculum 00:14:45.416 --> 00:14:47.850 or the educational curriculum. 00:14:47.850 --> 00:14:50.161 One is an alternative assessment. 00:14:50.161 --> 00:14:54.369 That is when different lecturers decide 00:14:54.369 --> 00:14:57.211 to give their students an assignment 00:14:57.211 --> 00:15:01.058 on Wikidata, using Wikidata-- previously it was Wikipedia, right? 00:15:01.058 --> 00:15:06.954 Like everything we now experience with Wikidata is like what we had 00:15:06.954 --> 00:15:10.182 about ten years ago with Wikipedia. 00:15:10.182 --> 00:15:14.053 So we're going through, in a way, the same process now 00:15:14.053 --> 00:15:17.614 of introducing Wikidata as a learning platform 00:15:17.614 --> 00:15:20.802 to the educational world in a way. 00:15:20.802 --> 00:15:23.991 And just like with Wikipedia, there are two models 00:15:23.991 --> 00:15:28.006 that are maybe more but two major ones that I could at least recognize 00:15:28.006 --> 00:15:29.766 and I work with both. 00:15:29.766 --> 00:15:34.592 So the first is instead of the students being tested or writing a paper, 00:15:34.592 --> 00:15:37.216 they do something on Wikipedia or Wikidata, 00:15:37.216 --> 00:15:38.658 that's the first model. 00:15:38.658 --> 00:15:43.979 And in that sense, I've been supporting a variety of lecturers 00:15:44.349 --> 00:15:49.209 around Israel in various universities around Israel, 00:15:49.209 --> 00:15:50.972 starting in 2017. 00:15:50.972 --> 00:15:52.231 So it took some time, right. 00:15:52.231 --> 00:15:57.014 It's almost five years since Wikidata was formed for academia 00:15:57.014 --> 00:15:59.816 to start actually engaging with it. 00:15:59.816 --> 00:16:01.294 In Israel, at least. 00:16:01.294 --> 00:16:04.972 In academic courses, as an assignment or as something that we-- 00:16:04.972 --> 00:16:07.902 We've actually mentioned it a bit before in courses. 00:16:07.902 --> 00:16:12.751 about not really having the students write anything, right. 00:16:12.751 --> 00:16:16.554 And the first ones to interact were people from Computer Sciences, 00:16:16.554 --> 00:16:20.057 from Digital Humanities, that sort of fields 00:16:20.057 --> 00:16:24.639 because it was a natural way of giving the students a project 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:28.377 that they can actually apply that is related to what they study. 00:16:29.187 --> 00:16:33.504 This coming semester, I'm going to support two such activities, 00:16:33.504 --> 00:16:36.926 one in an international digital culture studies, 00:16:37.536 --> 00:16:39.734 in a digital discourse course. 00:16:40.224 --> 00:16:43.359 And we're going to have a Wikidata workshop 00:16:43.359 --> 00:16:46.754 and that's going to be part of the students' assessment. 00:16:46.754 --> 00:16:50.624 And also something that I'm actually very much excited about, 00:16:50.624 --> 00:16:53.692 at the Bar Ilan University Computer Science Department 00:16:53.692 --> 00:16:55.919 on a course on Semantic Web. 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.902 They have--and that is going to be in collaboration 00:16:58.902 --> 00:17:01.420 with the Israel Antiquities Authority. 00:17:01.420 --> 00:17:05.540 And the thing is, the lecturer that teaches this course 00:17:05.540 --> 00:17:08.811 wanted the students to have a project that actually means something. 00:17:08.811 --> 00:17:11.959 So she thought Wikidata would be a good option. 00:17:11.959 --> 00:17:16.625 So this is what we're-- this is going to be how we start, right. 00:17:16.625 --> 00:17:19.624 On the right, these are the cards that we get from 00:17:19.624 --> 00:17:22.289 the Israel Antiquities Services. 00:17:22.459 --> 00:17:26.693 These are Word files, by the way, Word files, okay. 00:17:27.473 --> 00:17:30.244 Nothing is--Word files, I'll say it again. 00:17:30.244 --> 00:17:32.451 Nothing is digitized. 00:17:32.451 --> 00:17:34.670 And what we want to do is have the students 00:17:34.670 --> 00:17:36.634 work on these, model these. 00:17:36.634 --> 00:17:39.504 Now because it's a Semantic Web course, 00:17:39.504 --> 00:17:42.432 they have been grappling with how to model things 00:17:42.432 --> 00:17:45.103 and they've been using what Debora has been doing basically 00:17:45.103 --> 00:17:50.211 using Protege and using OWL and using very basic RDF 00:17:52.251 --> 00:17:54.093 way of thought in terms of doing it. 00:17:54.093 --> 00:17:57.713 And the trick is going to be how we can then take it 00:17:57.713 --> 00:18:00.860 and map it into Wikidata which is a real live-- 00:18:01.520 --> 00:18:05.297 with a flexible ontology kind of project. 00:18:05.297 --> 00:18:08.275 So that's coming up this semester. 00:18:08.275 --> 00:18:13.252 And I would say the second model is one where Wikidata assignments 00:18:13.252 --> 00:18:14.838 is the main assessment. 00:18:14.838 --> 00:18:18.599 That is happening, as far as I know, today only with my courses 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:20.495 at Tel Aviv University. 00:18:20.495 --> 00:18:24.267 But as some of you know, I have opened elective courses 00:18:24.267 --> 00:18:28.940 at Tel Aviv University where my students basically 00:18:28.940 --> 00:18:31.267 contribute to Wikipedia. 00:18:31.757 --> 00:18:36.647 The first course was in 2013 and then a second course opened in 2015 00:18:36.647 --> 00:18:40.305 for the whole campus, so basically every undergraduate student 00:18:40.305 --> 00:18:42.868 at Tel Aviv University can take such a course. 00:18:42.868 --> 00:18:46.532 And why I'm mentioning it is because last year 00:18:46.972 --> 00:18:50.292 I completely transformed a curriculum of that course 00:18:50.292 --> 00:18:53.806 to basically feature Wikidata in an academic course 00:18:53.806 --> 00:18:55.191 for the first time. 00:18:55.191 --> 00:18:59.707 And this is a course called from Web 2 to Web 3, 00:18:59.707 --> 00:19:01.798 from Wikipedia to Wikidata. 00:19:01.798 --> 00:19:05.192 And these are my--this is the first class 00:19:05.192 --> 00:19:07.547 that graduated from that course. 00:19:07.547 --> 00:19:10.963 And in this course, of course Wikidata was--the assignment 00:19:10.963 --> 00:19:12.537 was the main thing. 00:19:12.537 --> 00:19:14.611 Like using Wikidata and learning about Wikidata 00:19:14.611 --> 00:19:16.368 was the main thing of the course. 00:19:16.368 --> 00:19:20.299 It's not just an assignment in a course that deals with something else. 00:19:20.299 --> 00:19:24.294 So these are the two different models, this is what I've been doing, 00:19:24.294 --> 00:19:29.828 and now that you know all of us, I'm hoping that you can see 00:19:29.828 --> 00:19:34.799 only from the introduction how, in a way, diverse it is. 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.407 How you can do it in very different ways-- 00:19:38.407 --> 00:19:43.506 there's just not just one way of doing it or dealing with it. 00:19:43.506 --> 00:19:46.864 But there are some things that I think are in common 00:19:47.434 --> 00:19:51.757 to all of us and some specific, I would say, challenges 00:19:51.757 --> 00:19:53.649 or issues that we all deal with. 00:19:53.649 --> 00:19:57.237 So I thought it would be interesting to have a discussion 00:19:57.237 --> 00:20:02.159 with the panelists now and see how they have come to be 00:20:02.159 --> 00:20:05.603 in a place where they even incorporate Wikidata into the curriculum 00:20:05.603 --> 00:20:09.579 because that's not happening out of the blue, right. 00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:12.210 We have to actually work for it to happen. 00:20:12.210 --> 00:20:15.798 And there has been work being done for years and years, 00:20:15.798 --> 00:20:17.930 for me to open that course, for instance. 00:20:17.930 --> 00:20:21.021 I had to--it started with one session in a course 00:20:21.021 --> 00:20:23.444 and then a year later, two sessions and three sessions, 00:20:23.444 --> 00:20:26.379 and I wasn't satisfied and I wanted more and more and more 00:20:26.379 --> 00:20:29.604 until I was able to convince the university to actually do it. 00:20:29.604 --> 00:20:32.864 But I'm quite sure that all of these panelists 00:20:32.864 --> 00:20:37.403 have their own challenges in terms of persuading 00:20:37.403 --> 00:20:42.476 the academic institutions where they're at to actually even go for it. 00:20:42.476 --> 00:20:45.691 So I would be very happy to start the discussion 00:20:45.691 --> 00:20:49.939 by asking you what did you have to do 00:20:49.939 --> 00:20:53.533 to persuade your institutions to even do it? 00:20:57.703 --> 00:20:58.958 Let's see. 00:20:58.958 --> 00:21:04.918 Yeah, so, I mean our institution was hosting me to work 00:21:04.918 --> 00:21:07.923 with course leaders and they were very much... 00:21:09.713 --> 00:21:12.904 mindful that the bread and butter of what I was doing should really be 00:21:12.904 --> 00:21:14.986 within curriculum work. 00:21:14.986 --> 00:21:20.479 And we had a course that was Data Science for Design, 00:21:20.479 --> 00:21:22.891 and I just happened to be running a workshop 00:21:22.891 --> 00:21:25.738 where one of the course leaders was attending. 00:21:26.256 --> 00:21:30.677 And it percolated, struck, and he was looking for people 00:21:30.677 --> 00:21:35.751 to pitch data sets, and Wikidata was an interesting data set 00:21:35.751 --> 00:21:36.857 for him to model. 00:21:36.857 --> 00:21:38.397 He was actually interested 00:21:38.397 --> 00:21:44.576 in me pitching the idea of Wikimedia's data on harassment 00:21:45.655 --> 00:21:49.873 to the students--he was looking-- but I looked into that a bit 00:21:49.873 --> 00:21:54.527 and we thought maybe we could do something with 00:21:54.527 --> 00:21:58.009 The Survey of Scottish Witchcraft data and we approached the court, 00:21:58.009 --> 00:22:02.362 the people behind that database and said could we release this 00:22:02.362 --> 00:22:04.764 as open linked open data and see what the students 00:22:04.764 --> 00:22:06.138 could do with it. 00:22:06.138 --> 00:22:11.872 Because they were trying to let the websites survive 00:22:11.872 --> 00:22:16.024 and the data survive because it's not really been used since 2003. 00:22:16.024 --> 00:22:17.072 They were quite interested 00:22:17.072 --> 00:22:20.073 - (Shani) Could be done. - in what new insights could be done. 00:22:20.403 --> 00:22:24.273 So it was pushing against an open door, really 00:22:24.273 --> 00:22:26.911 in that particular way but there was a lot of work 00:22:26.911 --> 00:22:28.567 that went behind that, 00:22:28.567 --> 00:22:32.963 - the years to persuade, I would say. - (Shani) Yeah. 00:22:32.963 --> 00:22:36.776 (Shani) But in any case, it sounds like you're one of the lucky ones, right. 00:22:36.776 --> 00:22:41.651 You're a Wikimedian in Residence at a university--woohoo! 00:22:41.651 --> 00:22:44.082 We have to say something about that in itself 00:22:44.082 --> 00:22:46.948 because I think the fact that academic institutions 00:22:46.948 --> 00:22:50.412 are now starting to realize that they even need this position, 00:22:50.412 --> 00:22:52.798 - is something kind of new and you're-- - Yeah. 00:22:52.798 --> 00:22:56.064 (Shani) You're a pioneer in that sense and we have a bunch of others 00:22:56.064 --> 00:22:57.989 now joining you around the world. 00:22:57.989 --> 00:23:00.045 But it's quite amazing. 00:23:00.045 --> 00:23:02.420 Yes, Andy's in the audience as well. 00:23:02.420 --> 00:23:06.994 So I hope he's feeling better actually, but yeah, he's at Coventry University 00:23:06.994 --> 00:23:09.181 and a Wikimedian in Residence there. 00:23:09.181 --> 00:23:11.451 - So we'd like more. - (Shani) Yes. 00:23:11.451 --> 00:23:17.131 Martin Poulter at Oxford University was kind of the inspiration 00:23:17.131 --> 00:23:21.202 for my own residency because he was doing editathons 00:23:21.202 --> 00:23:24.457 at the Bodleian Library on the Great War 00:23:24.457 --> 00:23:26.827 and Ada Lovelace Day 00:23:26.827 --> 00:23:31.936 and our director of IT, Melissa Highton was looking at what the work 00:23:31.936 --> 00:23:35.289 - he was doing at Oxford and thinking-- - (Shani) She was inspired. 00:23:35.289 --> 00:23:37.710 Could it be applied in teaching and learning? 00:23:37.710 --> 00:23:40.097 Did it have to be libraries only? 00:23:40.097 --> 00:23:44.335 Or did information literacy, digital skills, 00:23:44.815 --> 00:23:48.492 how under representations of knowledge, did that have applications 00:23:48.492 --> 00:23:51.447 in teaching and learning and that's kind of-- 00:23:51.447 --> 00:23:55.089 So she ran an editathon in Edinburgh on the Edinburgh Seven, 00:23:55.089 --> 00:24:00.172 the first female undergraduates in Britain who didn't have Wikipedia pages 00:24:00.172 --> 00:24:01.211 at the time. 00:24:01.211 --> 00:24:04.069 And she invited Professor Allison Littlejohn, 00:24:04.069 --> 00:24:07.256 who's now Dean of Teaching and Learning at University of Glasgow 00:24:07.256 --> 00:24:11.057 to come and do some research to make sure it wasn't just a gimmick, 00:24:11.057 --> 00:24:14.080 that it was actual genuine teaching and learning going on 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:15.507 in these editing environments. 00:24:15.507 --> 00:24:19.613 And she's produced about five or six research papers that says 00:24:19.613 --> 00:24:23.652 there is an actual point to doing this in education. 00:24:23.652 --> 00:24:27.308 (Shani) Yeah and I think you're making an important point 00:24:27.308 --> 00:24:30.957 about how we also need academic research, 00:24:30.957 --> 00:24:33.122 showing that this is valuable, right. 00:24:33.122 --> 00:24:35.784 And currently, we have zero. 00:24:36.214 --> 00:24:40.075 I mean besides my research that I'm working on now 00:24:40.075 --> 00:24:44.164 and will take some time to publish, there is zero, 00:24:44.624 --> 00:24:47.054 zero research about education and Wikidata. 00:24:47.054 --> 00:24:49.693 We have tons of research about Wikidata 00:24:49.693 --> 00:24:52.815 but not about how it could be used as an educational platform 00:24:52.815 --> 00:24:53.848 in that sense. 00:24:53.848 --> 00:24:57.360 You've mentioned literacies and we actually have a bunch of-- 00:24:57.650 --> 00:25:01.265 quite a lot of academic research about how to utilize Wikipedia, 00:25:01.265 --> 00:25:07.521 in that sense and how it helps to enhance all sorts of literacies, right, 00:25:07.521 --> 00:25:12.166 digital skills, academic skills, critical thinking, collaborative work, 00:25:12.166 --> 00:25:13.355 all of that. 00:25:13.355 --> 00:25:16.774 And I think Wikidata is taking it one step further 00:25:16.774 --> 00:25:19.690 and we can use it to teach people data literacy. 00:25:19.690 --> 00:25:23.830 But we have zero research to support that and therefore it's-- 00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:28.757 we are just at a beginning stage in that sense. 00:25:28.757 --> 00:25:29.974 - Yeah. - (Shani) And so, yeah, 00:25:29.974 --> 00:25:32.267 (Shani) And so what you're saying just supports that. 00:25:32.267 --> 00:25:36.983 Yeah, we're a research-based institution so we have to set an evidence 00:25:36.983 --> 00:25:41.708 what we're doing and there is worthwhile academic purpose. 00:25:41.708 --> 00:25:46.522 So yeah, we've got these research papers on Wikipedia editing. 00:25:46.522 --> 00:25:49.054 But yeah, more on WIkidata would definitely help 00:25:49.054 --> 00:25:50.951 - make the case further. - (Shani) Yeah. 00:25:50.951 --> 00:25:52.329 (Shani) Debora, what about you? 00:25:52.329 --> 00:25:54.684 - (Debora) Well, I'm lucky too - (Shani) Yes, yes, you are. 00:25:54.684 --> 00:25:58.494 because I'm a German professor and that means all I have is a heading. 00:25:58.494 --> 00:26:01.660 - (Shani) You can do whatever you want. - And I can choose what I want to teach. 00:26:01.660 --> 00:26:03.481 And I put the heading in the curriculum anyway 00:26:03.481 --> 00:26:06.506 because I designed the curriculum so that makes it a lot easier. 00:26:06.506 --> 00:26:09.957 I was very lucky that I had two really great students 00:26:09.957 --> 00:26:13.524 who had been working here at the Wikimedia Foundation, 00:26:13.524 --> 00:26:17.596 the German Wikimedia Foundation as student programmers, 00:26:17.596 --> 00:26:19.120 Lucy and Charlie. 00:26:19.120 --> 00:26:23.850 And they both did their Bachelors thesis on Wikidata. 00:26:23.850 --> 00:26:27.405 And I mean you may have heard of Lucy's-- that's the article placeholder. 00:26:27.405 --> 00:26:29.361 That was her Bachelors thesis. 00:26:29.361 --> 00:26:30.720 And so it was clear that 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.450 if it's easy enough for some brilliant Bachelors to do, 00:26:33.450 --> 00:26:36.216 my Masters had better be able to do it as well. 00:26:36.216 --> 00:26:40.641 And so that's when I started working our way into that. 00:26:40.641 --> 00:26:44.986 And the students really enjoyed doing something real. 00:26:45.246 --> 00:26:49.747 And not just something that's get a grade and then it's gone. 00:26:49.747 --> 00:26:52.428 They found this was it, it's scary too. 00:26:52.428 --> 00:26:54.874 Because you make a change and then some editor comes along 00:26:54.874 --> 00:26:58.199 and screams at you because you made a stupid mistake. 00:26:58.199 --> 00:26:59.462 But it's okay. 00:26:59.462 --> 00:27:02.902 It's a Wiki, we can turn it back and start over again. 00:27:02.902 --> 00:27:05.652 (Shani) Yeah, João, what about you? 00:27:09.172 --> 00:27:15.057 Okay, so I guess my use of Wikidata is dependent on my use of Wikipedia 00:27:15.057 --> 00:27:17.111 as an educator. 00:27:17.111 --> 00:27:23.162 So I started doing Wiki assignments in 2014 when I was just hired 00:27:23.562 --> 00:27:26.864 as a university professor and that was challenging 00:27:26.864 --> 00:27:31.366 because my school didn't really understand, 00:27:31.366 --> 00:27:32.912 had never done it. 00:27:32.912 --> 00:27:37.442 So I didn't really know what to expect, if it was going to work out. 00:27:37.442 --> 00:27:40.424 I actually was not a Wikimedian at the time. 00:27:40.424 --> 00:27:44.199 I just read a book--I had a grad student 00:27:44.199 --> 00:27:45.899 and then I said okay, that might be cool. 00:27:45.899 --> 00:27:48.114 It was my time so I work. 00:27:49.814 --> 00:27:53.906 The university where I work, they required that I did 00:27:53.906 --> 00:27:55.671 the Wikipedia assignment 00:27:56.021 --> 00:28:00.563 as well as the expected evaluation 00:28:00.563 --> 00:28:02.601 of my seminar. 00:28:02.601 --> 00:28:05.415 So it was basically double grading. 00:28:06.475 --> 00:28:10.846 And I had at the time 175 students. 00:28:10.846 --> 00:28:16.962 It was really hard but then to some extent they've seen they couldn't change me 00:28:16.962 --> 00:28:19.681 so they had to adapt. 00:28:19.681 --> 00:28:23.731 And now I transition to Wikidata, it was easier, I guess. 00:28:23.731 --> 00:28:27.737 Because now I'm a little bit more senior and they let me do whatever I want 00:28:27.737 --> 00:28:31.108 just like what you were saying and just okay, they don't even ask anymore 00:28:31.108 --> 00:28:32.191 what I'm doing. 00:28:32.821 --> 00:28:36.551 And I think the whole use 00:28:36.551 --> 00:28:39.029 of Wikipedia and Wikidata now for me 00:28:39.029 --> 00:28:45.219 is just-- there are problems that need to be solved 00:28:45.569 --> 00:28:47.601 in knowledge building. 00:28:47.601 --> 00:28:50.811 Sometimes you need Wikipedia, sometimes you need Wikidata, 00:28:50.811 --> 00:28:53.388 sometimes you need Wikivoyage, Wikimedia Commons. 00:28:53.388 --> 00:28:55.398 So we just started our project, for instance, 00:28:55.398 --> 00:28:58.221 on structured data on Commons. 00:28:58.221 --> 00:29:03.357 We've uploaded from a GLAM project a thousand files coming from 00:29:03.357 --> 00:29:06.800 the military dictatorship, no one knows anything about them. 00:29:07.578 --> 00:29:13.403 And we are working with my students to identify, to depict anything we can 00:29:13.403 --> 00:29:19.441 on the pictures with the expectation that if we identify there are 17 stairs 00:29:19.711 --> 00:29:23.099 on the building which the students were protesting the government, 00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:24.976 we can identify the building. 00:29:25.816 --> 00:29:28.476 So I think you go with a purpose. 00:29:28.476 --> 00:29:33.081 That's the whole thing of what we are doing in general. 00:29:33.081 --> 00:29:36.130 It has value, it's meaningful. 00:29:36.130 --> 00:29:38.593 And if you're able to convey that to the students 00:29:38.593 --> 00:29:43.531 and then broaden and deepen the experience of meaningfulness 00:29:43.531 --> 00:29:49.623 that they can acquire from data literacy or media training, 00:29:49.993 --> 00:29:54.507 or I don't know, history understanding political values, democracy, 00:29:54.507 --> 00:29:59.217 whatever you're working on as a professor, 00:29:59.217 --> 00:30:01.123 then you've reached the purpose. 00:30:01.123 --> 00:30:06.007 I think it's just for me it's a resource, and it's a marvelous resource, 00:30:06.007 --> 00:30:11.701 and I'm glad I'm part of this community because it helps building this resource. 00:30:12.251 --> 00:30:15.658 (Shani) So basically you either have to become a Wikimedian in Residence 00:30:15.658 --> 00:30:20.099 or become a university professor to be able to do whatever you want. 00:30:20.099 --> 00:30:24.366 But not everyone is in that position and I think Akbar Ali 00:30:24.366 --> 00:30:28.294 is representing another view of that which is also important 00:30:28.294 --> 00:30:30.439 and in a way, me as well. 00:30:30.439 --> 00:30:36.402 I mean having one step at the door is making it easier to implement changes 00:30:36.402 --> 00:30:37.800 once you're already in. 00:30:37.800 --> 00:30:42.015 But making that first step to convince the institution 00:30:42.015 --> 00:30:45.109 that it's even worthwhile is very difficult. 00:30:45.109 --> 00:30:46.792 It's very challenging. 00:30:46.792 --> 00:30:51.803 And so I want to kind of move between this question and the next one 00:30:51.803 --> 00:30:54.362 and start talking about some of the challenges 00:30:54.362 --> 00:30:57.150 that we're all facing doing this work. 00:30:57.150 --> 00:31:00.674 So I think you're the perfect person to start with that 00:31:00.674 --> 00:31:03.450 because you've already mentioned a bit of the challenges 00:31:03.450 --> 00:31:05.891 but maybe you can explain some more. 00:31:06.841 --> 00:31:07.857 Okay. 00:31:07.857 --> 00:31:09.371 Actually there was always a question 00:31:09.371 --> 00:31:11.840 what would be the new innovative teaching method. 00:31:11.840 --> 00:31:15.364 That was the question realized in the teachers' community in the UAE. 00:31:15.364 --> 00:31:17.657 So I thought to share about the Wikidata at first, 00:31:17.657 --> 00:31:19.375 that will be new for them. 00:31:19.375 --> 00:31:24.469 So I was part of the collection-- as part of the doing assignment 00:31:24.469 --> 00:31:26.843 [inaudible] usually the students use 00:31:26.843 --> 00:31:28.982 Google or something, other websites like Wikipedia. 00:31:28.982 --> 00:31:32.118 But Wikidata was a new thing for them. 00:31:32.118 --> 00:31:36.455 So first of all, we started by collecting the information from Wikidata. 00:31:36.455 --> 00:31:42.344 We framed the template in the paper, [inaudible] Wikidata template. 00:31:42.344 --> 00:31:47.467 So it was a good thing for understanding the structure of Wikidata for students. 00:31:47.937 --> 00:31:50.651 And we started to collect information. 00:31:50.651 --> 00:31:55.452 But there was one problem that when we do the content-wise, 00:31:55.452 --> 00:31:58.272 like when we add a content into Wikidata, 00:31:58.272 --> 00:32:01.104 students did not create a user [inaudible] 00:32:01.104 --> 00:32:02.921 especially they need email ID. 00:32:02.921 --> 00:32:05.426 So actually they are high school students 00:32:05.426 --> 00:32:09.493 so most of them had no email ID, so what we have them then 00:32:09.493 --> 00:32:14.145 by using Google Spreadsheet the data which we created 00:32:14.145 --> 00:32:18.811 that we move to Google Spreadsheet, then myself, I was adding 00:32:18.811 --> 00:32:22.450 all this data into Wikidata by using quick statements. 00:32:22.450 --> 00:32:27.157 Actually that is one of the challenge we need to give a chance for students 00:32:27.157 --> 00:32:32.734 to create their own ID especially if they are high school level students, 00:32:32.734 --> 00:32:38.771 so they need email procedures that is also still challenges there. 00:32:39.101 --> 00:32:43.161 If we are overcome, if the parents are permitting that, 00:32:43.161 --> 00:32:48.889 we can create hundreds of students a user ID and their contribution 00:32:48.889 --> 00:32:49.889 will be there. 00:32:49.889 --> 00:32:51.364 That is one of the challenges. 00:32:51.364 --> 00:32:55.376 The second thing, I was the head of the Department of Social Science 00:32:55.376 --> 00:33:00.904 so I could integrate Wikidata as part of our curriculum adaptation plan. 00:33:01.283 --> 00:33:07.266 But at the same time, how to run these Wikidata projects 00:33:07.266 --> 00:33:09.951 and all other subjects, we need to get the support 00:33:09.951 --> 00:33:13.577 of especially the school full team. 00:33:13.577 --> 00:33:17.607 So I think we need to give much training and awareness 00:33:17.607 --> 00:33:22.210 to the teachers, one of the uses of Wikidata, how can we integrate Wikidata 00:33:22.210 --> 00:33:24.901 as an educational tool in the curriculum. 00:33:24.901 --> 00:33:28.264 Surely, if the teachers are convinced and if they agree to that, 00:33:28.264 --> 00:33:31.627 I think we can solve those problems too. 00:33:31.627 --> 00:33:33.709 You said there are two problems, from teacher's side 00:33:33.709 --> 00:33:34.804 or from student's side. 00:33:34.804 --> 00:33:37.622 (Shani) Yeah, I think you're making a really important point 00:33:37.622 --> 00:33:39.934 about creating awareness, right. 00:33:39.934 --> 00:33:42.238 - Yes. - (Shani) And I think Ewan also talked 00:33:42.238 --> 00:33:43.480 about that. 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:47.111 Sometimes it's as simple as someone sitting at the right place 00:33:47.111 --> 00:33:50.819 at the right time at a lecture that you're giving someplace, 00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:54.910 and it sparks something in their mind and they kind of get it. 00:33:54.910 --> 00:33:58.091 And then you can expand from there. 00:33:58.091 --> 00:34:02.461 But without that legwork the grassroots work 00:34:03.001 --> 00:34:05.915 that we've all been doing, it would be impossible 00:34:05.915 --> 00:34:10.906 to get to a residency position or to have university professors 00:34:10.906 --> 00:34:13.340 decide to incorporate it into their curriculum 00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:14.753 because it's a lot of work. 00:34:14.753 --> 00:34:15.853 It takes work. 00:34:15.853 --> 00:34:19.869 Even doing it just with Wikipedia takes work as we all know. 00:34:19.869 --> 00:34:23.186 And so yeah, that's an important step, 00:34:23.186 --> 00:34:26.369 in a way, in creating this atmosphere 00:34:26.369 --> 00:34:31.959 or this eco-system where this is a thing that we do in higher education. 00:34:31.959 --> 00:34:37.044 And we're basically, as we said, at the very beginning stages 00:34:37.044 --> 00:34:41.580 of disseminating the idea even that this is possible, 00:34:41.580 --> 00:34:44.419 that this needs to happen, that this has to happen 00:34:44.419 --> 00:34:48.843 because that's the only good tool that we have today 00:34:48.843 --> 00:34:52.286 to basically teach the students data literacy. 00:34:52.286 --> 00:34:58.098 So I want to hear, Debora, a bit more about your challenges 00:34:58.098 --> 00:35:01.999 in your courses because, obviously, starting is not the issue here 00:35:01.999 --> 00:35:04.085 but you have some other challenges. 00:35:04.085 --> 00:35:07.337 Right, we have other challenges in the sense that we're interacting 00:35:07.337 --> 00:35:11.294 with the Wikidata community in a weird time fashion. 00:35:11.294 --> 00:35:16.540 It's all compressed into this semester, and it's the second half of the semester. 00:35:16.540 --> 00:35:20.603 So when we want things changed, we want them changed fast. 00:35:20.803 --> 00:35:23.771 Getting the property of grants put through took-- 00:35:23.771 --> 00:35:25.813 it didn't come through until like a week 00:35:25.813 --> 00:35:27.600 before the semester was over. 00:35:27.600 --> 00:35:31.524 Luckily, everybody had their quick statement sheets all ready to go. 00:35:31.524 --> 00:35:33.644 We just put the number in, pushed a button 00:35:33.644 --> 00:35:35.508 and did a lot of edits. 00:35:35.798 --> 00:35:39.567 And then we were dead for half a year because I only teach this class 00:35:39.567 --> 00:35:40.768 in the summer. 00:35:40.768 --> 00:35:45.869 So we have another one that we had proposed this summer, 00:35:45.869 --> 00:35:48.554 the double degree one because there are so many 00:35:49.734 --> 00:35:52.793 people who have double degrees and we weren't sure 00:35:52.793 --> 00:35:57.687 how to model it anyway but we proposed this property 00:35:57.987 --> 00:36:00.570 and now it's marked as, "This seems to be dead 00:36:00.570 --> 00:36:02.873 because nobody's interested in it anymore." 00:36:02.873 --> 00:36:05.406 Well, we're interested but we're not interested 00:36:05.406 --> 00:36:06.945 until next summer again. 00:36:06.945 --> 00:36:11.144 So we don't have this continuous interaction with the community. 00:36:11.144 --> 00:36:13.556 - But it comes in fits and starts. - (Shani) Yeah. 00:36:13.556 --> 00:36:15.881 (Shani) So in a way, what you're saying is 00:36:16.751 --> 00:36:20.744 just stressing the importance of being in close relationship 00:36:20.744 --> 00:36:23.778 with the Wikidata community and that is true, I would say, 00:36:23.778 --> 00:36:27.617 to incorporating any Wiki project into the curriculum. 00:36:27.617 --> 00:36:30.302 You have to have the support of the community. 00:36:30.302 --> 00:36:34.180 If the community is not behind you, in a way, it could become messy. 00:36:34.180 --> 00:36:37.651 So that's a good takeaway, I would say in general. 00:36:37.651 --> 00:36:40.261 João, what about some of your challenges? 00:36:41.691 --> 00:36:46.816 Okay, so with Wikidata particularly, 00:36:46.816 --> 00:36:48.466 I think one challenge that relates 00:36:48.466 --> 00:36:52.629 what you're saying about the lack of academic research, 00:36:52.629 --> 00:36:58.571 it's also the lack of resources that we can use for students. 00:36:59.281 --> 00:37:03.135 So I think we've created for one of the projects 00:37:03.135 --> 00:37:06.140 that I was just shown, you have to have [Giovanna] 00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:11.211 [inaudible] are here at the conference as well--Giovanna's here... 00:37:11.211 --> 00:37:13.511 So she was my student, so-- 00:37:14.061 --> 00:37:15.683 they were all my students. 00:37:15.683 --> 00:37:18.748 There is a process of multiplication to some extent with 00:37:18.748 --> 00:37:20.151 what we are doing. 00:37:20.151 --> 00:37:23.131 But we needed resources. 00:37:23.131 --> 00:37:29.654 And so students could actually rely on to edit Wikidata and understand 00:37:29.654 --> 00:37:32.919 what they need to do and to work on structured data on Commons. 00:37:32.919 --> 00:37:34.537 This was a challenge. 00:37:34.537 --> 00:37:37.516 So we had to put time on that. 00:37:38.856 --> 00:37:44.658 I think that was a major challenge and another challenge that I see 00:37:44.658 --> 00:37:50.200 which is again, always worrisome is that my students 00:37:50.200 --> 00:37:54.058 assess Wikidata assignments as boring, 00:37:54.058 --> 00:37:57.782 which for me is really tough to digest. 00:37:57.782 --> 00:38:01.083 They love doing Wikipedia now. 00:38:01.083 --> 00:38:05.152 But Wikidata is just filling out a form for them. 00:38:05.862 --> 00:38:08.490 And I think that something that we need to improve 00:38:08.490 --> 00:38:12.231 if we want to use it as an educational resource 00:38:12.231 --> 00:38:14.992 because they are willing to do it, they see the purpose, 00:38:14.992 --> 00:38:18.062 it's just the actual operation is boring. 00:38:18.062 --> 00:38:21.602 And I think that's something that we need to improve design 00:38:21.602 --> 00:38:25.056 for education as an open education resource. 00:38:25.056 --> 00:38:27.085 (Shani) Yeah, I'm going to use what you're saying-- 00:38:27.085 --> 00:38:29.924 (audience 2) You need to see the magic. 00:38:29.924 --> 00:38:32.815 You need to introduce the magic of SPARQL queries 00:38:32.815 --> 00:38:36.256 and all those kind of models into your students. 00:38:36.256 --> 00:38:39.696 That's why I have a feeling that 00:38:42.726 --> 00:38:47.082 because in Kerala last year we tried conducting 00:38:47.082 --> 00:38:51.357 a series of workshops for engineering college students 00:38:51.777 --> 00:38:54.949 as a part of my user group activity. 00:38:55.359 --> 00:38:59.189 Nearly 12 engineering colleges, we've gone to all the colleges 00:38:59.189 --> 00:39:03.686 and done Wikidata workshops with hands-on editing. 00:39:03.686 --> 00:39:06.698 And yeah, it's boring, initially it's boring, 00:39:06.698 --> 00:39:10.113 it's filling up a form for students. 00:39:10.113 --> 00:39:14.455 But we switch to SPARQL queries and we are showing 00:39:14.455 --> 00:39:20.252 this kind of linked data models and all the maps and all those stuffs, 00:39:20.252 --> 00:39:24.201 yeah, then the scenario changes, it's super interesting. 00:39:24.201 --> 00:39:30.458 It suddenly becomes a big thing for the Computer Science students. 00:39:30.888 --> 00:39:34.941 And also yeah, we had some partnership 00:39:34.941 --> 00:39:37.811 with the language departments 00:39:37.811 --> 00:39:39.678 in some universities. 00:39:41.058 --> 00:39:44.952 This year, I am going to talk about Lexemes, Lexeme projects, 00:39:44.952 --> 00:39:48.841 so that language departments 00:39:48.841 --> 00:39:52.213 can model that language 00:39:52.213 --> 00:39:54.507 and add a lot of data so-- 00:39:54.507 --> 00:39:56.868 Yeah, that's it, you can make it interesting. 00:39:56.868 --> 00:39:59.516 There's a lot of ways out there in Wikidata, I think. 00:39:59.516 --> 00:40:03.648 (Shani) Yeah, thank you for adding from your experience. 00:40:03.648 --> 00:40:07.404 I want to go back to what João was saying. 00:40:07.404 --> 00:40:09.746 João was making two important points, I think. 00:40:09.746 --> 00:40:12.918 One is about awareness that we're still lacking 00:40:12.918 --> 00:40:17.319 and the fact that we don't have enough resources yet 00:40:17.319 --> 00:40:22.362 to use it well in an educational setting and since we're-- 00:40:22.928 --> 00:40:26.521 Maybe it's a good time to open a parenthesis and say, 00:40:26.521 --> 00:40:30.263 "We are just five examples from around the world." 00:40:30.263 --> 00:40:33.789 Obviously there are a lot of other people doing amazing work 00:40:33.789 --> 00:40:38.118 in other places in the world in other academic institutions 00:40:38.118 --> 00:40:41.488 or educational settings and we've already acknowledged 00:40:41.488 --> 00:40:42.542 some of them. 00:40:42.542 --> 00:40:46.337 I encourage you to also speak to Matthew, 00:40:46.337 --> 00:40:50.850 to Jason Evans, who's here. 00:40:51.540 --> 00:40:54.431 To Will Kent, can you say hi. 00:40:54.431 --> 00:40:58.539 And I specifically want to acknowledge Will, who's here 00:40:58.539 --> 00:41:01.889 because Will is part of Wiki Ed Foundation. 00:41:01.889 --> 00:41:05.931 They are the education program for the U.S. and Canada 00:41:05.931 --> 00:41:08.792 and what they've done, they've waited for some time 00:41:08.792 --> 00:41:11.800 but when they do things, they do it right. 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.944 And they created an online training for Wikidata 00:41:14.944 --> 00:41:19.039 which is now an online module that all of us can use. 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.793 So they're helping to create resources in that sense 00:41:23.793 --> 00:41:26.005 that other people can use, I also want to acknowledge 00:41:26.005 --> 00:41:30.248 [inaudible] who's sitting here, who has been a guest lecturer 00:41:30.248 --> 00:41:33.683 at a variety of institutions around the world, 00:41:33.683 --> 00:41:39.737 helping to eventualize, in a sense, for Wikidata and without resources 00:41:39.737 --> 00:41:43.803 such as his introduction to Wikidata, it would have been more difficult 00:41:43.803 --> 00:41:45.071 to disseminate. 00:41:45.071 --> 00:41:48.718 So this is just to stress that we as a community 00:41:48.718 --> 00:41:52.354 are at the very beginning stages of creating actual resources 00:41:52.354 --> 00:41:56.305 that will help other educators do this kind of work. 00:41:56.305 --> 00:41:58.797 That's one challenge, resources, 00:41:58.797 --> 00:42:01.178 and I want to go back to assignments also. 00:42:01.868 --> 00:42:05.586 João mentioned that for him creating the right assignment 00:42:05.586 --> 00:42:06.748 is a challenge. 00:42:06.748 --> 00:42:08.910 And I would concur. 00:42:08.910 --> 00:42:11.210 I agreed completely. 00:42:11.210 --> 00:42:15.787 It has been my challenge as well, both as an alternative assessment 00:42:15.787 --> 00:42:19.404 and both in the model of the whole university course 00:42:19.404 --> 00:42:24.194 to make sure that I have assignments that are the right size, 00:42:24.194 --> 00:42:25.621 the right scope 00:42:26.251 --> 00:42:30.783 and are understandable to the students and also interesting enough 00:42:30.783 --> 00:42:33.197 for them to actually want to engage. 00:42:33.727 --> 00:42:36.771 And also that it's clear how I assess their progress. 00:42:37.041 --> 00:42:43.154 So in a way, a bit of what happened to me using Wikipedia in the classroom 00:42:43.154 --> 00:42:45.077 is now happening with Wikidata. 00:42:45.077 --> 00:42:46.990 I was very ambitious at the beginning. 00:42:46.990 --> 00:42:51.100 Even when I was coming to support someone else's course 00:42:51.100 --> 00:42:53.247 and I would do two sessions, 00:42:53.247 --> 00:42:58.276 let's say, of an an intro and then a workshop about Wikipedia. 00:42:58.276 --> 00:43:01.702 And I would strive for the students to write full articles 00:43:01.702 --> 00:43:04.401 or to expand or do something really meaningful. 00:43:04.401 --> 00:43:07.187 As I did it more and more throughout the years, 00:43:07.187 --> 00:43:10.999 I found myself shrinking the size of the assignments 00:43:10.999 --> 00:43:13.449 and creating like mini assignments or-- 00:43:14.217 --> 00:43:17.085 Today we'd like to talk about mini contributions, right, 00:43:17.085 --> 00:43:22.139 so finding cool and interesting ways for the students to contribute something 00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:25.830 but that it's not too much is important. 00:43:25.830 --> 00:43:28.938 And just the way I went and shrunk 00:43:28.938 --> 00:43:33.329 over the years the Wikipedia assignments, I find that it's really important 00:43:33.329 --> 00:43:35.148 to do the same with Wikidata. 00:43:35.148 --> 00:43:39.424 So giving the students something on the one hand meaningful, 00:43:39.424 --> 00:43:43.777 and on the other hand with clear boundaries 00:43:43.777 --> 00:43:47.764 that I could--like very clear steps of what they need to do, 00:43:48.004 --> 00:43:51.647 how they can engage but still making it interesting enough 00:43:51.647 --> 00:43:56.020 has been a challenge in my courses and it's still a work in progress. 00:43:56.020 --> 00:43:57.817 I keep experimenting. 00:43:57.817 --> 00:43:59.771 And I think that's the most important thing 00:43:59.771 --> 00:44:02.875 that we're all experimenting with this platform 00:44:02.875 --> 00:44:06.855 and trying to look for new ways to incorporate it 00:44:07.905 --> 00:44:11.434 into the academic curriculum because we understand it's important. 00:44:12.124 --> 00:44:15.194 But I would totally agree that it's like you said, 00:44:15.194 --> 00:44:18.967 you need to create that awareness, and in that sense, 00:44:19.407 --> 00:44:22.615 I want to ask the panelists what have worked for you? 00:44:22.615 --> 00:44:25.534 Like what helped you do the work that you do? 00:44:25.534 --> 00:44:27.137 So Debora, you first. 00:44:29.218 --> 00:44:32.674 One of the important things that I find that helped me do the work 00:44:32.674 --> 00:44:35.376 is making sure that we document everything on Wiki. 00:44:35.906 --> 00:44:38.973 That we don't have thousands of little documents flying 00:44:38.973 --> 00:44:40.387 all over the place. 00:44:40.387 --> 00:44:43.019 But that we have our discussions on Wiki. 00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:45.269 That we have our project page on Wiki. 00:44:45.269 --> 00:44:48.093 That the students hand in their reports on Wiki 00:44:48.093 --> 00:44:52.058 so that the next group can look back and see what the others did, 00:44:52.058 --> 00:44:55.065 what helped them, what didn't help them and that helps the next group 00:44:55.065 --> 00:44:58.212 start at a higher level than the group before. 00:44:58.782 --> 00:45:02.745 (Shani) That is certainly one approach to keep everything in one place. 00:45:02.745 --> 00:45:06.439 I would just suggest from my experience in knowing the work that 00:45:06.439 --> 00:45:09.701 others are doing that some educators choose 00:45:09.701 --> 00:45:11.695 - to use social media - No. 00:45:11.695 --> 00:45:13.473 (Shani) as another means. (chuckles) 00:45:13.473 --> 00:45:15.778 No, stay on Wiki. 00:45:16.278 --> 00:45:18.696 I'm actually forbidden from using Facebook 00:45:18.696 --> 00:45:20.912 in instruction at my university. 00:45:20.912 --> 00:45:23.114 So I would not be able to use it. 00:45:23.114 --> 00:45:27.256 I heard there must be some Facebook group or something, that's no go. 00:45:27.256 --> 00:45:32.295 It has to be on Wiki so that's why I would plead for everyone else 00:45:32.295 --> 00:45:35.208 to be keeping their work open and on Wiki. 00:45:35.208 --> 00:45:37.608 (Shani) Yeah and that's the beauty of the Wikimedia movement, 00:45:37.608 --> 00:45:41.865 there's always diversity and once you hear someone arguing 00:45:41.865 --> 00:45:46.594 so passionately about no use of-- only Wiki, you will find 00:45:46.594 --> 00:45:51.250 other people as passionate, saying that the use of social media 00:45:51.250 --> 00:45:54.097 is the best thing that could have happened because it's helping them 00:45:54.097 --> 00:45:57.091 engage with students in their own platforms 00:45:57.091 --> 00:45:58.813 in the way that is easy for them. 00:45:58.813 --> 00:46:06.260 Wiki is notoriously known to not being as friendly or the user interface 00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:08.209 is somewhat lacking. 00:46:08.209 --> 00:46:12.041 Yeah, but in Germany, Facebook is only used by old people. 00:46:12.841 --> 00:46:16.098 The students are on Instagram. 00:46:16.098 --> 00:46:18.803 (Shani) It doesn't have to be Facebook but you get the idea. 00:46:18.803 --> 00:46:21.484 Ewan, what about you, what has worked for you? 00:46:21.904 --> 00:46:26.358 Well, the sort of nature of the challenge has changed each year. 00:46:26.358 --> 00:46:32.116 So initially, it was about how could we get the good information 00:46:32.116 --> 00:46:38.166 of access database and then model it on Wikidata. 00:46:38.166 --> 00:46:42.472 So it was all about that initial exchange in the first year 00:46:42.472 --> 00:46:46.764 so there was no sort of PDF handouts available to do that. 00:46:46.764 --> 00:46:50.174 And then the next year it was about how can we then enrich the data, 00:46:50.174 --> 00:46:53.647 working with Google Spreadsheets and the Wikidata plug-in 00:46:53.647 --> 00:46:55.510 and things like that. 00:46:55.510 --> 00:47:00.714 But and then the final year was working with open refine 00:47:00.714 --> 00:47:02.921 and so like trying to get our heads around that 00:47:02.921 --> 00:47:06.160 about linking their data, adding geographical data, 00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:07.982 then putting it on a website. 00:47:07.982 --> 00:47:10.382 So again, it was like each year it was different. 00:47:10.382 --> 00:47:14.248 So it was all--always it was getting 00:47:14.248 --> 00:47:17.988 what stories and engaging tales 00:47:17.988 --> 00:47:22.747 could be told once we had all that data in and we had the visualizations. 00:47:22.747 --> 00:47:26.156 So the students were always motivated when they had that carrot. 00:47:27.236 --> 00:47:33.729 They weren't always really happy with the manual labour aspect 00:47:33.729 --> 00:47:37.968 to do this, especially when you have to get 50 edits on Wikidata 00:47:37.968 --> 00:47:41.819 to be able to do bulk uploading in the first place. 00:47:41.819 --> 00:47:42.830 That was a challenge. 00:47:42.830 --> 00:47:48.898 But the main thing that helped was having the Wikidata community primed 00:47:48.898 --> 00:47:50.819 that we were going to do this. 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:55.471 And the fact that I had knowledgeable people around me 00:47:55.471 --> 00:48:00.626 that I said, "Could you be available so that if we ever have questions--" 00:48:00.626 --> 00:48:04.247 like Navina Evans and Martin Poulter 00:48:04.247 --> 00:48:06.828 and Jason Evans as well, 00:48:07.238 --> 00:48:11.228 and Simon Cobb, we just made sure that we had good people around us 00:48:11.618 --> 00:48:14.385 who knew the things that we needed to know 00:48:14.385 --> 00:48:16.225 when we needed to know them. 00:48:16.225 --> 00:48:19.174 But I agree, documentation is super important, 00:48:19.174 --> 00:48:23.899 but there's a number of learning hurdles that we were trying to come up against 00:48:23.899 --> 00:48:26.997 - in a very tight window. - (Shani) Yeah. 00:48:26.997 --> 00:48:29.581 (Shani) Yeah and the fact that the tools continue to grow 00:48:29.581 --> 00:48:31.949 and you have to know everything and you have to-- 00:48:31.949 --> 00:48:34.398 like there is so much to learn all the time. 00:48:34.398 --> 00:48:37.192 You have to really keep yourself 00:48:38.692 --> 00:48:42.851 focused on that, otherwise, you'd be doing maybe manual work 00:48:42.851 --> 00:48:44.810 that there is now a tool that you don't know about 00:48:44.810 --> 00:48:47.259 that is doing it in a much easier way. 00:48:47.259 --> 00:48:49.988 So connecting, again, to the community is important. 00:48:49.988 --> 00:48:51.898 Do you have final words on what worked for you 00:48:51.898 --> 00:48:55.784 because we have to wrap up very soon. 00:48:57.714 --> 00:49:02.933 (João) Okay, I guess an important aspect of the way I've also worked 00:49:02.933 --> 00:49:07.163 on the education program is to connect it to a larger ecology 00:49:07.673 --> 00:49:12.894 within the community, within the tech development aspect 00:49:12.894 --> 00:49:16.285 of our community trainings through Wikidata labs, 00:49:16.285 --> 00:49:18.630 it's part of something. 00:49:18.630 --> 00:49:24.521 So we have Wikimedians in Residence, we have the actual community engaging, 00:49:24.521 --> 00:49:29.729 coming for workshops, we set up an agenda for Wikidata live 00:49:29.729 --> 00:49:32.654 that can actually contribute to developing the progress 00:49:32.654 --> 00:49:35.576 that we want to reach, we developed tools, 00:49:35.576 --> 00:49:36.779 we do research. 00:49:36.779 --> 00:49:40.882 So it's enriching to some extent 00:49:40.882 --> 00:49:43.502 or it's providing a dense experience 00:49:43.502 --> 00:49:46.232 for the growth of the community. 00:49:46.232 --> 00:49:48.358 It's a slow process. 00:49:48.358 --> 00:49:53.536 It's something that needs to be engaged, rethink, rethought, 00:49:53.536 --> 00:49:58.453 that's why this kind of conference is so important. 00:49:58.453 --> 00:49:59.901 We need to be in touch. 00:49:59.901 --> 00:50:04.281 There is no right way to basic experimenting. 00:50:04.281 --> 00:50:09.573 No one really knows the best way how it should be done 00:50:09.573 --> 00:50:12.732 because no one has actually done it before. 00:50:12.732 --> 00:50:17.241 So we are all experimenting and I was--just a something 00:50:17.241 --> 00:50:22.489 since I have the mic now-- I was thinking about what Akbar Ali said. 00:50:23.189 --> 00:50:26.794 The first time that I used Wikipedia with high school students, 00:50:26.794 --> 00:50:28.838 it was a complete failure. 00:50:28.838 --> 00:50:31.554 I had been very successful with Wikipedia assignments 00:50:31.554 --> 00:50:33.427 with university students. 00:50:33.427 --> 00:50:36.518 It's just with high school, they just didn't get it 00:50:36.518 --> 00:50:40.248 at the level that we all thought we should lead 00:50:40.248 --> 00:50:44.655 because it was just too hard in the process of the critical process. 00:50:45.365 --> 00:50:47.835 But then I think Wikidata is actually a good resource 00:50:47.835 --> 00:50:49.783 for high school students. 00:50:49.783 --> 00:50:54.551 So I think that opened-- an eye-opening, in your presentation, I think 00:50:54.551 --> 00:50:57.980 I should go back to this experience. 00:50:58.540 --> 00:51:03.260 (Shani) So I want to conclude the panel by saying first of all, 00:51:03.260 --> 00:51:06.712 thank you so much to all the panelists and not only to them 00:51:06.712 --> 00:51:10.583 but also to the greater, the bigger community 00:51:10.583 --> 00:51:14.058 of Wikimedians working in education 00:51:14.058 --> 00:51:17.218 to help evangelize and do this work. 00:51:17.218 --> 00:51:22.569 And I want to conclude saying or reminding rather to us, 00:51:22.569 --> 00:51:27.711 to our community that this is the second Wikidata conference. 00:51:28.511 --> 00:51:31.959 In the first Wikidata conference, we also had an education panel. 00:51:32.469 --> 00:51:35.752 It was the only education session in the conference. 00:51:35.752 --> 00:51:39.453 And two years have passed, so much have been done, 00:51:40.343 --> 00:51:45.551 so many cool experimenting but we still have only one panel 00:51:45.551 --> 00:51:48.023 in this conference for education. 00:51:48.023 --> 00:51:52.279 This is not a criticism but rather for me an eye-opening moment 00:51:52.279 --> 00:51:56.211 to realize that we are still at the very beginning stages 00:51:56.211 --> 00:51:59.866 of showing our impact and why this is important 00:51:59.866 --> 00:52:04.195 to the bigger Wikimedia community and I look at every-- 00:52:04.195 --> 00:52:07.702 each and every one of you sitting here and listening at home 00:52:07.702 --> 00:52:11.823 as people who can now go and do it yourselves 00:52:12.223 --> 00:52:15.902 and experimenting and connecting with the community, 00:52:15.902 --> 00:52:19.041 talking about the challenges sharing best practices, 00:52:19.041 --> 00:52:22.793 sharing resources is basically the way to go 00:52:22.793 --> 00:52:24.662 so go experiment. 00:52:25.002 --> 00:52:26.880 Wikidata is amazing. 00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:31.736 It's such a unique tool to teach all sorts of things, right 00:52:31.736 --> 00:52:36.829 from data completion to showing, to being able to show 00:52:36.829 --> 00:52:39.724 the gender gap and knowledge gaps in general 00:52:39.724 --> 00:52:41.953 in a visualized and cool way. 00:52:41.953 --> 00:52:45.206 It is an educational tool. 00:52:45.206 --> 00:52:49.160 So use it and hopefully by the next Wiki Data Con, 00:52:49.160 --> 00:52:52.366 we're going to see a bunch of other sessions 00:52:52.366 --> 00:52:56.619 and I would-- just to say one more thing and I know João has to run 00:52:56.619 --> 00:52:59.751 to the next session--about GLAM. 00:52:59.751 --> 00:53:03.789 Use GLAM, use libraries, work with the low-hanging fruit 00:53:03.789 --> 00:53:06.806 which is the lecturers who are already teaching Semantic Web 00:53:06.806 --> 00:53:10.912 and you can use this in a way that makes sense. 00:53:11.352 --> 00:53:15.365 They're your best friends-- libraries, especially, will help you. 00:53:16.745 --> 00:53:18.199 Hey. (chuckles) 00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.962 Hello--Libraries will definitely help you in academic institutions, 00:53:21.962 --> 00:53:24.791 usually there are libraries, work with the libraries to help 00:53:24.791 --> 00:53:28.297 disseminate an idea to the faculty, to the students. 00:53:28.297 --> 00:53:31.626 This will probably be the things that will spark the idea 00:53:31.626 --> 00:53:33.373 for some lecturer to try it 00:53:33.373 --> 00:53:36.459 and we will then conquer the world together. 00:53:36.459 --> 00:53:40.637 - (audience 3) [inaudible] - (Shani) Yes. 00:53:40.637 --> 00:53:45.077 [inaudible] 00:53:45.077 --> 00:53:47.079 but so I'm a librarian and I wanted to know. 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:52.923 But one idea is for one-off lessons instead of like semester-long 00:53:52.923 --> 00:53:56.524 or a quarter-long because I tend to-- I try to do more data literacy 00:53:56.524 --> 00:53:58.059 with students. 00:53:58.059 --> 00:54:03.580 And also how to get into faculties or your colleagues' brains 00:54:03.580 --> 00:54:04.952 that this is great? 00:54:04.952 --> 00:54:07.619 (Shani) João, can you give the mic to Ewan. 00:54:08.749 --> 00:54:13.097 We will release João who has to run but we will take more, 00:54:13.097 --> 00:54:14.599 five more minutes of questions. 00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:15.876 Just really quick then. 00:54:15.876 --> 00:54:19.923 So yeah, so it's like Martin Poulter 00:54:19.923 --> 00:54:23.343 is running how to make a SPARQL query workshop fun 00:54:23.343 --> 00:54:24.510 later this afternoon. 00:54:24.510 --> 00:54:27.162 - And I would start with that. - (audience 3) Yeah. 00:54:27.162 --> 00:54:30.707 Because it's like you were saying, it's about understanding 00:54:30.707 --> 00:54:36.548 this sort of like how they can visualize the data story there intially 00:54:36.548 --> 00:54:40.961 and work with simple SPARQL queries build them up and do much more. 00:54:40.961 --> 00:54:42.897 That could be done quite simply in one workshop. 00:54:42.897 --> 00:54:44.860 (audience 3) Yeah, that's how I do my workshops. 00:54:44.860 --> 00:54:46.847 I do them like, okay, somebody has a question. 00:54:46.847 --> 00:54:50.192 I'm like, okay, what are the-- all of the people who won this award 00:54:50.192 --> 00:54:52.499 and then we do that query and then we see all the gaps. 00:54:52.499 --> 00:54:54.884 And so then let's fill in all these gaps. 00:54:54.884 --> 00:54:57.072 And that's how I tend to do these workshops, 00:54:57.072 --> 00:55:00.219 but it's completely over their head. (chuckles) 00:55:00.219 --> 00:55:02.150 (Shani) Just continue, you know. 00:55:02.150 --> 00:55:06.116 Be vigilant and continue to doing it, continue doing the workshops 00:55:06.116 --> 00:55:10.512 and at one point, someone will see the light. 00:55:10.512 --> 00:55:15.804 And visualization is probably the best way to show impact, right. 00:55:15.804 --> 00:55:18.507 So you're on the right direction it sounds. 00:55:18.507 --> 00:55:19.764 Just go for it. 00:55:20.434 --> 00:55:24.691 (audience 4) [inaudible] I didn't really know Wikipedia Adventure 00:55:24.691 --> 00:55:28.332 then if you can make a Wikidata Adventure then 00:55:28.332 --> 00:55:32.464 - that would be super cool to introduce. - (Shani) Well, we have Wikidata games. 00:55:32.464 --> 00:55:34.715 - (Shani) So we can use those. - (audience 4) Yeah, yeah. 00:55:34.715 --> 00:55:38.528 - (Shani) But we have to conclude. - (Debora) We're making Wikidata games. 00:55:38.528 --> 00:55:40.502 (Shani) You're all welcome to talk to us. 00:55:41.542 --> 00:55:43.265 Later on, thank you. 00:55:43.265 --> 00:55:45.412 (applause)