WEBVTT 00:00:04.358 --> 00:00:08.359 I grew up in an Irish Catholic family, very nominal, 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:16.545 I probably went to the Catholic church 00:00:16.545 --> 00:00:21.945 five times, maybe, in my whole life, 00:00:21.945 --> 00:00:24.312 but if you had asked me, 00:00:24.312 --> 00:00:28.232 I carried a cross around wherever I went that said 00:00:28.232 --> 00:00:31.382 "I'm a Catholic, call a priest." 00:00:31.382 --> 00:00:35.453 It was a silver cross that my grandfather had given to me. 00:00:35.453 --> 00:00:38.563 And I'm sure that when I was out here I had it wherever... 00:00:38.563 --> 00:00:41.540 I actually rode motorcycles out here from Michigan. 00:00:41.540 --> 00:00:44.079 I worked up in the mountains near Kremmling. 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:47.079 You guys probably all know where that is. 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:52.902 I planted trees up there in areas that had been forested. 00:00:52.902 --> 00:00:55.435 Part of the time, actually when a buddy and I 00:00:55.435 --> 00:00:58.265 were done working up there, 00:00:58.265 --> 00:01:04.749 we came and we stayed here in Denver for awhile. 00:01:04.749 --> 00:01:08.466 I guess I bring that up, that was in 1986, 00:01:08.466 --> 00:01:11.466 that was pretty typical... 00:01:11.466 --> 00:01:12.605 I turned 21 that year. 00:01:12.605 --> 00:01:15.605 That was pretty typical of my life. 00:01:15.605 --> 00:01:18.440 Basically, the way I tell people, 00:01:18.440 --> 00:01:22.070 I lived the beer commercial kind of life. 00:01:22.070 --> 00:01:25.216 Basically, I lived to have fun, 00:01:25.216 --> 00:01:28.346 I lived for pleasure. 00:01:28.346 --> 00:01:29.956 So I went down every road, 00:01:29.956 --> 00:01:38.847 every avenue, every path that led to that. 00:01:38.847 --> 00:01:45.599 What happened was in high school, 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:52.769 I drank pretty heavily, 00:01:52.769 --> 00:01:55.279 drugs were pretty regular, 00:01:55.279 --> 00:01:57.111 and I basically told myself, you know what? 00:01:57.111 --> 00:01:59.871 When I get into college, I'm going to quit this. 00:01:59.871 --> 00:02:02.202 And then I got into college and it only got worse. 00:02:02.202 --> 00:02:03.799 And then I told myself, 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.059 when I get out of college I'm going to quit this. 00:02:07.059 --> 00:02:11.256 I went to college and I got a mechanical engineering degree, 00:02:11.256 --> 00:02:15.476 and once I got out it all of a sudden hit me, 00:02:15.476 --> 00:02:18.307 I'm never going to stop. 00:02:18.307 --> 00:02:25.817 And I was only getting worse and worse. 00:02:25.817 --> 00:02:31.129 I thought I had everything in control. 00:02:31.129 --> 00:02:33.589 I thought everything was just where I wanted it. 00:02:33.589 --> 00:02:35.281 I thought, you know, here I am. 00:02:35.281 --> 00:02:36.281 I can get an engineering degree. 00:02:36.281 --> 00:02:38.281 I can get an engineering job, 00:02:38.281 --> 00:02:40.442 and I can party at the same time. 00:02:40.442 --> 00:02:43.574 And I can make money, 00:02:43.574 --> 00:02:47.374 I've got life just where I want it. 00:02:47.374 --> 00:02:51.079 And then the year 1990 came 00:02:51.079 --> 00:02:54.839 and the Lord just started to knock me down, 00:02:54.839 --> 00:02:58.761 over and over and over and over. 00:02:58.761 --> 00:03:02.078 And I didn't know what was happening to me. 00:03:02.078 --> 00:03:08.598 I thought I was losing my mind - I don't know. 00:03:08.598 --> 00:03:14.061 What happened was, 00:03:14.061 --> 00:03:19.701 I remember being at work and playing softball... 00:03:19.701 --> 00:03:21.171 One of the things that happened 00:03:21.171 --> 00:03:23.542 in a myriad of other things that happened, 00:03:23.542 --> 00:03:28.416 I was playing softball. I had a collision at second base. 00:03:28.416 --> 00:03:32.486 My leg was bent backwards. 00:03:32.486 --> 00:03:36.306 My knee hyper-extended, 00:03:36.306 --> 00:03:38.576 and I'm limping around at work. 00:03:38.576 --> 00:03:44.053 I'd been doing so much crystal meth and coke 00:03:44.053 --> 00:03:48.603 that literally I'd come to work to work as an engineer, 00:03:48.603 --> 00:03:52.137 I would sit in the stalls in the bathroom 00:03:52.137 --> 00:03:55.527 with my head against the wall because it hurt so bad 00:03:55.527 --> 00:03:58.017 from being hungover from these drugs. 00:03:58.017 --> 00:03:59.944 Typically, it was later in the week 00:03:59.944 --> 00:04:02.944 before I could even start to perform my job. 00:04:02.944 --> 00:04:05.664 It just happened at that time that our company 00:04:05.664 --> 00:04:08.664 had been bought out by a Japanese company, 00:04:08.664 --> 00:04:10.958 and Japanese engineers were over there. 00:04:10.958 --> 00:04:13.288 And I was paired up with one of these guys, 00:04:13.288 --> 00:04:15.948 who was kind of a senior engineer. 00:04:15.948 --> 00:04:19.497 And he liked to drink and he liked to golf, which I did too, 00:04:19.497 --> 00:04:21.350 so he and I became pretty good friends. 00:04:21.350 --> 00:04:24.350 And I think he kind of covered for me. 00:04:24.350 --> 00:04:26.941 And so I was able to have that kind of poor 00:04:26.941 --> 00:04:30.811 performance and not really get discovered. 00:04:30.811 --> 00:04:33.724 But then during this time, I'm limping around. 00:04:33.724 --> 00:04:36.144 I have a bad leg now. 00:04:36.144 --> 00:04:39.703 I got hauled into my boss's office, the chief engineer, 00:04:39.703 --> 00:04:42.163 and he wanted to see my work, 00:04:42.163 --> 00:04:43.163 and he wanted to bring in 00:04:43.163 --> 00:04:45.484 the various projects that I had been working on, 00:04:45.484 --> 00:04:51.530 and it was terrible - it was only the Lord that I didn't lose my job. 00:04:51.530 --> 00:04:54.386 And it was eventually that job 00:04:54.386 --> 00:04:57.386 that was going to take me to San Antonio. 00:04:57.386 --> 00:05:02.051 It was the Lord that made, even getting the job there, 00:05:02.051 --> 00:05:05.051 when I first interviewed for that place, 00:05:05.051 --> 00:05:07.359 I had been smoking dope 00:05:07.359 --> 00:05:10.359 and I had been snorting coke, 00:05:10.359 --> 00:05:13.359 and I went in for an interview, 00:05:13.359 --> 00:05:17.105 and they wanted me to go to a physical 00:05:17.105 --> 00:05:21.525 and be drug tested the next day. 00:05:21.525 --> 00:05:25.276 I went to the interview on a Thursday, the next day was Friday, 00:05:25.276 --> 00:05:28.276 and when he asked me to go take the drug test, 00:05:28.276 --> 00:05:32.079 I don't know why I wasn't thinking that that would happen. 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:34.110 I was just stupid. 00:05:34.110 --> 00:05:39.132 But I said to him, "Oh, could I go do that on Monday?" 00:05:39.132 --> 00:05:42.132 Because I wanted to try to purge my system. 00:05:42.132 --> 00:05:49.416 I knew that if I went in the next day I was dust. 00:05:49.416 --> 00:05:52.539 No, he insisted that I take it the next day. 00:05:52.539 --> 00:05:54.636 And I rode my motorcycle up there the next day, 00:05:54.636 --> 00:05:57.413 and the place had burned down overnight 00:05:57.413 --> 00:06:00.413 and there was yellow tape all the way around it, 00:06:00.413 --> 00:06:02.510 and so I went home - 00:06:02.510 --> 00:06:07.360 and even there the Lord got me into that position, 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.489 preserved me in that position, 00:06:09.489 --> 00:06:14.039 despite me in all my sin, because eventually, 00:06:14.039 --> 00:06:16.516 after the Lord saved me, 00:06:16.516 --> 00:06:20.416 and I really began then to excel as an engineer, 00:06:20.416 --> 00:06:22.124 the firm I worked for, 00:06:22.124 --> 00:06:24.834 we got the Alamo Dome project down in San Antonio, 00:06:24.834 --> 00:06:26.360 which led me down there, 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.360 and to meet Sam's good friend, John Sytsma. 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.082 You've had him here before? 00:06:33.082 --> 00:06:35.944 So I met John later on. 00:06:35.944 --> 00:06:38.944 But here, I got called into my boss's office, 00:06:38.944 --> 00:06:42.684 and I got reprimanded for nigh unto the whole day. 00:06:42.684 --> 00:06:45.004 You know, I'm about losing my job, 00:06:45.004 --> 00:06:46.375 my mom and my dad were both 00:06:46.375 --> 00:06:49.585 diagnosed with cancer in the same week, 00:06:49.585 --> 00:06:51.790 I have this collision playing softball... 00:06:51.790 --> 00:06:53.850 it's like my life is falling apart. 00:06:53.850 --> 00:06:57.406 Before, where I felt like I always had everything 00:06:57.406 --> 00:07:01.016 perfectly in control and if I wanted it, it happened, 00:07:01.016 --> 00:07:04.586 now it's like everything's falling apart. 00:07:04.586 --> 00:07:08.933 Well, and I limp out to the break room out in the plant, 00:07:08.933 --> 00:07:11.533 and I walk in and there's two guys sitting there, 00:07:11.533 --> 00:07:15.995 and one of them has a book and he hides it under the table. 00:07:15.995 --> 00:07:20.155 And my life is so messed up, I didn't care. 00:07:20.155 --> 00:07:23.251 I went over and I started putting some coins into the machine, 00:07:23.251 --> 00:07:26.251 and he starts asking me about religion, 00:07:26.251 --> 00:07:29.600 and I said, "I'm Catholic." 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:33.870 And he said, "did you ever think that the Pope is the antichrist?" 00:07:33.870 --> 00:07:36.295 (laughter) 00:07:36.295 --> 00:07:40.921 I said, "whatever, I just don't care." 00:07:40.921 --> 00:07:44.382 So then he actually brought me some tracts 00:07:44.382 --> 00:07:53.842 on the inquisition. And I read them. 00:07:53.842 --> 00:07:56.055 He came to my desk and said, 00:07:56.055 --> 00:07:57.965 "did you read those tracts I gave you?" 00:07:57.965 --> 00:08:01.269 And I said, "yeah, I did." So then he drops a book on my desk: 00:08:01.269 --> 00:08:03.589 "The Gospel According to Jesus" 00:08:03.589 --> 00:08:07.439 Anybody know that book? By John MacArthur? 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.317 "The Gospel According to Jesus" 00:08:09.317 --> 00:08:12.814 So here I am, I'm going home from work each night, 00:08:12.814 --> 00:08:14.944 I'm stopping by the beer store, 00:08:14.944 --> 00:08:17.060 I'm picking up two 40-ouncers, 00:08:17.060 --> 00:08:21.280 I'm going to my apartment, and 00:08:21.280 --> 00:08:23.960 with a beer in one hand 00:08:23.960 --> 00:08:26.960 and that book in the other hand, 00:08:26.960 --> 00:08:28.999 I'm trying to drink myself into oblivion, 00:08:28.999 --> 00:08:31.429 but I could not put that book down. 00:08:31.429 --> 00:08:35.317 And literally, one night as I'm reading that book, 00:08:35.317 --> 00:08:39.467 it was like a freight train of conviction rolled over me. 00:08:39.467 --> 00:08:44.271 The Spirit of God... I came under such conviction, 00:08:44.271 --> 00:08:48.631 for the first time, you know how it says there in John 16, 00:08:48.631 --> 00:08:52.265 The Spirit convicts of sin and righteousness 00:08:52.265 --> 00:08:58.505 and judgment, and I saw my sin, 00:08:58.505 --> 00:09:00.909 I saw I had no righteousness, 00:09:00.909 --> 00:09:04.619 and I saw I deserved God's judgment. 00:09:04.619 --> 00:09:08.320 But I'll tell you this, that book is all about repentance, 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.120 that book is about the nature of true salvation, 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:16.966 it's about following Christ and that it costs you everything. 00:09:16.966 --> 00:09:19.948 That text, "what will it profit a man 00:09:19.948 --> 00:09:22.468 if he gains the whole world and loses his soul," 00:09:22.468 --> 00:09:25.451 I came under conviction, and somebody might have thought, 00:09:25.451 --> 00:09:27.441 well I'd be saved right away, 00:09:27.441 --> 00:09:31.987 but it didn't happen that way. 00:09:31.987 --> 00:09:38.912 I had about 30 friends and we were tight. 00:09:38.912 --> 00:09:41.662 We did everything together. 00:09:41.662 --> 00:09:44.404 We partied together, we played sports together, 00:09:44.404 --> 00:09:47.624 we hunted together, we gambled together. 00:09:47.624 --> 00:09:52.844 I mean, I was tight with these guys. 00:09:52.844 --> 00:09:57.354 And basically my reputation was as a crazy man, 00:09:57.354 --> 00:10:03.068 crazy on a motorcycle, just crazy in life. 00:10:03.068 --> 00:10:05.198 And I came under this conviction, 00:10:05.198 --> 00:10:06.988 but at the same time it's like the devil 00:10:06.988 --> 00:10:08.988 whispering in this one ear, 00:10:08.988 --> 00:10:10.598 "this is who you are, this is what you're life 00:10:10.598 --> 00:10:12.480 is all about, you can't give that up." 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.535 Because I knew, not only did I know that 00:10:15.535 --> 00:10:18.865 text there that said what does it profit a man, 00:10:18.865 --> 00:10:23.574 I knew that text there because MacArthur was bring it out in his book: 00:10:23.574 --> 00:10:25.704 unless you forsake all that you have, 00:10:25.704 --> 00:10:28.164 you cannot be My disciple. 00:10:28.164 --> 00:10:31.458 You guys know where that's found? It comes out of Luke 14:33. 00:10:31.458 --> 00:10:34.841 It's like in one ear I'm hearing those: 00:10:34.841 --> 00:10:36.781 what does it profit a man? 00:10:36.781 --> 00:10:38.941 Unless you forsake all that you have... 00:10:38.941 --> 00:10:42.485 But over here, you can't give up this lifestyle, 00:10:42.485 --> 00:10:45.485 you can't give this up, this is who you are. 00:10:45.485 --> 00:10:48.625 And for the better part of three months, 00:10:48.625 --> 00:10:52.475 it was in that misery. 00:10:52.475 --> 00:10:55.475 I kept trying to drink myself into oblivion, 00:10:55.475 --> 00:10:58.473 but I could not put that book down. 00:10:58.473 --> 00:11:02.592 And eventually, seeing that MacArthur had written the book, 00:11:02.592 --> 00:11:05.592 I got on MacArthur's tape lending library, 00:11:05.592 --> 00:11:08.461 and so now I'm listening to his tapes, listening to his tapes. 00:11:08.461 --> 00:11:10.746 I bought myself a Bible and I'm reading that. 00:11:10.746 --> 00:11:13.662 I went through the New Testament in about two weeks. 00:11:13.662 --> 00:11:16.578 And I'll tell you, the New Testament, 00:11:16.578 --> 00:11:18.768 I saw judgment and condemnation 00:11:18.768 --> 00:11:27.000 on every single page of that New Testament... 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:32.093 So there was that wrestling. 00:11:32.093 --> 00:11:38.123 I remember I went down to the Indianapolis 500 00:11:38.123 --> 00:11:44.563 and I got drunk with my friends, 00:11:44.563 --> 00:11:48.220 and I'm coming out of that thing, 00:11:48.220 --> 00:11:50.230 and there's like a 100,000 people 00:11:50.230 --> 00:11:53.880 walking across this muddy field to get out of that place, 00:11:53.880 --> 00:11:58.624 and there in the mud, there's a tract. 00:11:58.624 --> 00:12:01.154 And, you know, my friends, 00:12:01.154 --> 00:12:04.154 they all went to the bar that night, 00:12:04.154 --> 00:12:05.974 and I just wandered the streets. 00:12:05.974 --> 00:12:07.915 I didn't know what was happening to me. 00:12:07.915 --> 00:12:10.108 I found myself kind of praying, 00:12:10.108 --> 00:12:12.608 but then I didn't even know who I was praying to, 00:12:12.608 --> 00:12:16.418 I didn't know what was happening to me. 00:12:16.418 --> 00:12:19.357 That was on Memorial Day weekend. 00:12:19.357 --> 00:12:24.327 By the Fourth of July, I went with my buddies to the beach, 00:12:24.327 --> 00:12:25.887 and again started drinking. 00:12:25.887 --> 00:12:29.627 The emptiness inside was so deep. 00:12:29.627 --> 00:12:34.189 It was just so deep. 00:12:34.189 --> 00:12:37.989 I was at the end. 00:12:37.989 --> 00:12:41.086 I drove home about 3 in the afternoon. 00:12:41.086 --> 00:12:43.866 My friends all stayed there. 00:12:43.866 --> 00:12:47.796 Forty miles back to Kalamazoo to my apartment, 00:12:47.796 --> 00:12:52.120 and I went in and I just went over and turned over the stereo. 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.030 A MacArthur message on Isaiah 6 00:12:56.030 --> 00:13:00.200 on the holiness of God was playing, 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.779 and I just went and I fell on the floor. 00:13:03.779 --> 00:13:07.239 Somewhere in the middle of that night, 00:13:07.239 --> 00:13:13.879 I woke up and I was just trembling from head to foot, 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.703 and I don't know if it was even audible 00:13:16.703 --> 00:13:18.783 or something I just said inside, 00:13:18.783 --> 00:13:20.783 but it was basically three words. 00:13:20.783 --> 00:13:23.119 I was at the end. 00:13:23.119 --> 00:13:26.119 And it was just, "Lord, help me." 00:13:26.119 --> 00:13:28.822 And if you guys sing, "And Can it Be?" 00:13:28.822 --> 00:13:33.012 Do you guys sing that? Wesley's song? 00:13:33.012 --> 00:13:39.940 (singing) "And can it be..." 00:13:39.940 --> 00:13:42.898 Anyway, there's a stanza in there that says that 00:13:42.898 --> 00:13:46.468 the chains fell off, the dungeon filled with light 00:13:46.468 --> 00:13:49.913 I don't know if I physically saw light 00:13:49.913 --> 00:13:53.733 or if it was just inside, 00:13:53.733 --> 00:13:58.334 but when I cried to the Lord, 00:13:58.334 --> 00:14:02.904 right then, something happened to me. 00:14:02.904 --> 00:14:05.701 I mean, I was born again, that's what happened. 00:14:05.701 --> 00:14:12.217 Suddenly, now, as the days went forth from there, 00:14:12.217 --> 00:14:16.387 my hunger for the Word of God was insatiable. 00:14:16.387 --> 00:14:18.492 I used to speed everywhere. 00:14:18.492 --> 00:14:20.732 I had a turbo-charged car, 00:14:20.732 --> 00:14:22.488 I had a GSXR750 motorcycle, 00:14:22.488 --> 00:14:26.478 everything had radar detectors on them, and I drove fast. 00:14:26.478 --> 00:14:29.161 And I ran from police... now I'm under conviction, 00:14:29.161 --> 00:14:31.613 and this was back when the speed limit was still 55. 00:14:31.613 --> 00:14:33.441 It was killing me. I mean I had a reputation, 00:14:33.441 --> 00:14:36.441 when I went to work, nobody passed me. 00:14:36.441 --> 00:14:37.794 And now everybody's passing me, 00:14:37.794 --> 00:14:40.794 but I knew this is what the Lord wanted. 00:14:40.794 --> 00:14:45.547 I was suddenly being overwhelmed by joy. 00:14:45.547 --> 00:14:49.577 I wasn't raised under good teaching. 00:14:49.577 --> 00:14:52.057 I didn't have anybody mentoring me. 00:14:52.057 --> 00:14:58.165 It was this book, it was MacArthur's messages, 00:14:58.165 --> 00:15:02.109 And I knew something had happened to me, 00:15:02.109 --> 00:15:05.109 but I wasn't totally sure what had happened. 00:15:05.109 --> 00:15:07.162 I knew Christ did it. 00:15:07.162 --> 00:15:11.362 And I knew I was experiencing joy unspeakable. 00:15:11.362 --> 00:15:13.219 I remember coming out of the bathroom 00:15:13.219 --> 00:15:16.369 in the morning and just falling on my face, 00:15:16.369 --> 00:15:20.224 and being so overwhelmed by joy. 00:15:20.224 --> 00:15:23.271 I had this high school buddy, 00:15:23.271 --> 00:15:26.271 and it was about six months later, around Christmas time. 00:15:26.271 --> 00:15:29.240 See I was still drinking, I was still going to the bars 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:34.260 with my buddies, but now I'm evangelizing. 00:15:34.260 --> 00:15:36.989 And there I am and it's Christmas time 00:15:36.989 --> 00:15:39.509 and my buddy's home from school, 00:15:39.509 --> 00:15:44.523 he was at that time getting his master's degree in theology. 00:15:44.523 --> 00:15:46.573 He later went on to get his doctorate 00:15:46.573 --> 00:15:49.173 and he's now a Jesuit priest at Notre Dame. 00:15:49.173 --> 00:15:52.109 He may be in Italy now, but he was there at the time. 00:15:52.109 --> 00:15:56.379 But here he is this guy I went to high school with, 00:15:56.379 --> 00:16:01.463 he's this master's theology student, 00:16:01.463 --> 00:16:04.013 up there at Calvin College or Hope College 00:16:04.013 --> 00:16:06.603 or somewhere there in Michigan. 00:16:06.603 --> 00:16:09.616 And so here I am, been saved six months, 00:16:09.616 --> 00:16:12.616 never trained in the Scriptures at all, 00:16:12.616 --> 00:16:14.752 and here's this Catholic guy 00:16:14.752 --> 00:16:17.912 who's on his way to becoming a Jesuit. 00:16:17.912 --> 00:16:21.622 And I'm telling him things about what's happened, 00:16:21.622 --> 00:16:25.742 and he's getting irate, because he's the theologian! 00:16:25.742 --> 00:16:27.312 Who am I? 00:16:27.312 --> 00:16:29.306 In fact, he said that to me. 00:16:29.306 --> 00:16:34.016 "Conway! Who are you to tell me anything?" 00:16:34.016 --> 00:16:37.977 He said, "You can't even tell me what Christ's first miracle was." 00:16:37.977 --> 00:16:40.261 Oh, I hung my head. 00:16:40.261 --> 00:16:42.861 I said, "You're right, Dave, I can't." 00:16:42.861 --> 00:16:47.590 I went home that night, and I found out what Christ's first miracle was. 00:16:47.590 --> 00:16:50.218 I said, "David, all I can tell you is 00:16:50.218 --> 00:16:54.328 you know how I was, and I am totally different now." 00:16:54.328 --> 00:16:56.078 I didn't know what had happened, 00:16:56.078 --> 00:16:57.816 but I knew Christ had done it, 00:16:57.816 --> 00:16:59.766 and it just sent him into a rage. 00:16:59.766 --> 00:17:00.996 It was like how do you even answer that, 00:17:00.996 --> 00:17:02.766 even though you're a theologian. 00:17:02.766 --> 00:17:05.583 And it wasn't until one day, 00:17:05.583 --> 00:17:07.453 everybody there where I worked, 00:17:07.453 --> 00:17:09.923 they all knew me as a crazy guy. 00:17:09.923 --> 00:17:14.665 Well, as I was coming out of the drafting department one day, 00:17:14.665 --> 00:17:18.735 I heard one of the guys whisper across the aisle, 00:17:18.735 --> 00:17:22.889 "Hey, what happened to him?" 00:17:22.889 --> 00:17:26.194 And as I'm going out of the drafting department 00:17:26.194 --> 00:17:29.194 back into the engineering department, I'm just at the door, 00:17:29.194 --> 00:17:32.054 I hear the other guy say, 00:17:32.054 --> 00:17:35.054 "I'll tell you what happened to him, God saved him." 00:17:35.054 --> 00:17:38.200 And it stopped me in my tracks and I thought, 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.860 "Whoa! That's what happened to me!" 00:17:41.860 --> 00:17:45.429 That night, it just hit me, you know I'd been reading 00:17:45.429 --> 00:17:47.949 MacArthur's book and it all came back 00:17:47.949 --> 00:17:52.010 and that night I can remember standing out under the moonlit sky 00:17:52.010 --> 00:17:55.849 and just rejoicing. It hit me. 00:17:55.849 --> 00:18:01.908 Lord, there is rejoicing in heaven over me! 00:18:01.908 --> 00:18:06.002 And so that happened in 1990. 00:18:06.002 --> 00:18:11.903 And in a nutshell, that's basically how God saved me.