evening thank you for coming out to dc acm's may presentation on reinventing the Internet i'm andrew conkland cherokee cac_ m it's my pleasure to welcome you to google dc I'd like to take a moment here to think that people in the dissident possible starting with the car let anthony's and google pc I'd also like to think the chapter board for helping to put this on and all the communication they did in fact that lake all of them stand up right now to show who they are so feel free a uh... please be sure to grab one of a man to chat with him after this is over also that the bank Internet Society for uh... the live stream tonight and of course uh... the Internet for making this possible if not for the Internet we would be a running events through large bureaucratic committees snail mail and we would more than close we've more closely adhered to the by-laws of dc a cm uh... that's a half joke uh... the association for computing machinery or a cm dot org is an educational scientific computing society for academics and practitioners in computing it consists of international chapters conferences workshops special interest groups uh... professional development resources an additional library of white papers uh... our chapter are chapters focus is presented appear which is bringing uh... presentations from academic institutions uh... into the community professional development for appears and participation in the in our local community for the party term is almost up uh... this year and i want to talk a couple of couple highlights we've had some very interesting presentations in the past year here's a short list of them most recently computer vision with docked with doctor larry davis at the university of maryland very good talk uh... soft cleansing intrusion tolerance wasn't the one i had no idea about and that was about uh... virtual machines flops within within minutes and then it within forty five seconds with data persistence it was a very very compelling taught and then there's a couple others here knowledge discovery now analysis organizational social capital we also a little while back we had a dinner with richard solomon of the free software foundation that was so sick at dinner and now here's a couple of stats so the species yummy dot group we started about a year ago we now have forty porn twenty eight members there's another meet up group we've been running called bcn idols which is an after-hours working community self-starter meets once a week about a forty attendees we had a a congressman come out couple weeks ago is having us into uh... the capitol building com complex for core concession and there's a lot of interesting doers and salsa orders that are building business ventures hobbyists freelance and other committee other every week recommend checking it out and then from i three and a half years here helping with the cac_ emma have a couple of takeaways very obvious ones it would seem on paper uh... the first one is helped many people around you uh... through putting on talks in putting on professional development courses a lot of people benefit from it and you can do that through this chapter the more people people to help and you grow because of it suv that leads into the next slide which is called for she sees him board numbers candidates that santa and in a couple days and we are going to have our elections next month month as well and I'd like to take a moment here to secretly have a community announcement they'd like to make extender i put flyers out on the table out front this is for the university of maryland human-computer interaction a lab thirty s annual symposium coming up next week in college park ec aisles been doing leading edge interface work for decades ob engine item and found that the the lab it's now on its third fourth director it's a great event and the flyers out there if you can't get a flyer disability i olson posey 'em and you'll find a link to it administers the keller amanda ceo_ and founder of programming uh... it's a new all-female software training program in dc uh... cell and going to be hosting workshops and a full ten week uh... programming fellowship for women's learn on how to code in python so if anyone is interested in that town looking for supporters uh... hiring organizations and student self company after its just and jeff alexander i'm actually on the board all of the um... technology transfer society of dc and we're actually having an event at lunch on wednesday called code breakers include makers john hume into is a long time and please now as i will talk about those and other people involved in world war two code development and code breaking uh... in the war if that the nazis uh... lessons we can learn about how to manage innovation from that experience so it sat down southeast universe user universities association which is just over here up on a block away out google tech transfer society dc chapter no find thanks payments to a breeze a 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kennedy dc dot org page uh... we'd have so if i feel like the governor from texas i forgot but there's a lot of great lots going on there like you to check it pickett without a for the delay in its my own urge introduce tonight speaker dr irvine surface served as vice president chief Internet evangelists for google since october two thousand five surf is a former senior vice president technology strategy for mci_ widely known as one of the fathers of the Internet surf is the code designer of the t cpi_ p protocols in the architecture of the Internet he performed this work during his tenure with the us department of defense is advanced research projects agency surface acquired numerous uh... accolades over the years in ninety four he was listed in people magazine's twenty five most intriguing people ninety seven you received the us national medal of technology by president clinton two thousand for the cm during award two thousand five the presidential medal of freedom by president bush and twenty thirteen years appointed by president obama to serve on the national science port that doctor men served has either started chairs or is currently a fellow at virtually every reputable Internet technology related association on the planet if you're looking for a conversation starter ask him about leonard nimoy jet propulsion laboratory and what it's like to be married before the Internet existed ladies and gentlemen it's with great privilege i ask you please join me in welcoming the president of the association for computing machinery doctor vincent well thank you welcome to the uh... google bc daycare center coffee knows all the primary colors everything else uh... it's really pressure to really is it's a story for me started please that the uh... htm chapter came to us and yesterday was that possible and i certainly appreciate Internet society sound strain of this uh... activity uh... this is a special kind of event for me in a way because three of the organizations that i care a great deal about are represented here high stock service first president pcm racers current president uh... where i served as one of the past presidents of uh... means a lot to me to see all three of these organizations uh... collaborating together tonight's event uh... i thought i would mention one thing before the committee formal presentation uh... that nineteen ninety-four of people magazine thing was a bit of a surprise to me i don't quite know how the figured out that that was because Internet was not terribly widely known the general public it was this is world wide web site show up but uh... the irony of all this is that my wife lost her she was three got to call their implants won in ninety six and one in two thousand six ten years later her story a soldier manickam wonderfully compelling that they sent the photos came out for three days traffickers he got sixties people in nineteen ninety eight and that's always been the source of your suggestion in the house alone i haven't been able to get back in again seconds and what to do it mission is that uh... that you'll be pleased i hope to know that Internet and the world wide web have been rescued it's bright store uh... source as a major engineering achievement dot that we think of the ec internal organs being nobel prize in computer science but there isn't anything for engineering well system there is a queen elizabeth props for engineering it was uh... established last year is warranted every two years to uh... obtuse now up to five people originally up to three uh... but now it's up to five it's a one million pound crimes that's about a million and a half dollars by honda conversely mark increasing uh... leaders are all were announces winners of the first team field uh... hearing his and what is done very ironic is that my wife and are moving to london for six months it for uh... some work for global and less than a week after we arrived in we won't have lunch with the lord mayor of london we will go on it and still line with the prime minister then we will go house where we need queen elizabeth and she will be and each of us a check for two hundred thousand pairs and that's all threat is it work fun tonight when i thought i would do is just give you a sense for database of the current state of the Internet which most of you if you are very familiar with so the transit we can already see are happy to its only if occasions of those trends and then some of the problems places that we all have with him not only in interest and i feel responsible for pursuing let's let's start this was some simple statistics uh... these data rather out of date I'd andy organizations that have been producing them had not pleased to my knowledge produced anything more reason although the last time i was a couple weeks ago so that i could be wrote about that but the on nine hundred million devices that are visible on the net with uh... domain names and generally speaking fixed ip addresses are the servers that are on the system they don't count their laptops desktops and other things that are episodic reconnected if you add all those uh... then you're getting close to the two-and-a-half three billion devices of others in any way for us to actually you know that for sure there's no central registry for many that in terms of the number of users in mid year last year was two point four billion my guess is it could be easy to argue that there are three billion users now behind uh... it's all part of town because the six-and-a-half billion role models that are out there uh... some fraction may be on the order of twenty percent today and probably fifty or hundred-percent figures from them uh... will that help and support from capability and they'll be able to reach unity and so a lot of people are getting onto the Internet with their first experience from a while and for many of them may stay that way although as time goes on has cost them their as new technologies arise more and more people have multiple devices they can use to interact with the network so one meaning that I'd like to leave you with tonight is that i believe that our early uh... experience interacting with that one device at the time will change over time and that we will be using mobile devices concurrently to make use of the net i'm wearing blue glass today last is connected to the Internet uh... actor and often display keep being distracted but if i cap it on the side uh... it says uh... is waiting for me to say something so i'll say okay class take a picture it just took the pictures from the people here this is a voice-activated device intracranial read about it uh... we expect to have about with two thousand mountain news today were wrapping up to ten thousand by the end the year and then we don't they're not being sold directly people have to apply it may have to offer a a a description of what it is a proposed new what we're interested in doing is getting these in the hands of people actually investigators say applications uh... this week so essendon pay for the use of the fifteen hundred dollars each today I'd have no clue what it's going to look like in two thousand fourteen to one posted as the quantities increase the price p potentially come down so these are yet again another time device connected to the net and one thing and tonight's discussion is increasing number of m propriety of devices that are part of the Internet environment interesting statistic again this familiar last year is where people are we're using the net uh... ten years ago north america was absolutely gorgeous number of users and as penetration of stalinist penetration at slightly under uh... eighty percent but he said has the absolute large number of users in china has the largest number users pretty in any one country they have five hundred billion flight five hundred million people half a billion people are our online in china today that's the only on the order maybe four percent population so you can imagine what that look like when we get to eighty percent of several uh... more than a billion people on their china so it's interesting you know we hear all these stories about the chinese eh... attacks on the napkin sa which are presumably on true but at the same time is fair to note that the country is making a huge investment in building Internet infrastructure so one interesting question from the sociological point of view was what happens when they have this enormous fraction of the population although i know he will use the system it will be exchange information with each other how does that change the machines view and i don't know the answer to that but think this is and we're watching it very very interesting sociological experiment with technology taking place before our eyes this decade unfolds i think this is going to be among the more interesting affect student observed europe is the next four just in absolute number of users although you know there's a penetration rate is uh... below the north america but i've given up making any predictions about europe because they keep getting countries to the definition of europe change and i don't know what it looks like two years ago and the other side those who are the you can see that in africa we're still uh... only modestly penetrated this numbers is misleading though because i think that that we have seen a very rapid growth of mobile homes in africa i don't know what fraction of them are Internet cable probably cell fraction twenty percent thirty percent or something and what we're seeing is uh... individuals or small samples uh... willing to pay get on and network or at least again which is a significant fraction bearer monthly income and yet they they do this because of the time and so when people who make up stories about what people do with mobile phones in africa and they have things like you're getting prices in the city certainly figure hours starcraft best you know asap fact is that they're just slightly higher european social networking review all the other things we do of all the data rates that they have available or more limited so some things they don't drive streaming video until the data rates are adequate but their use is not terribly different than ours except order patients are on the whole conditions well this look now at the current Internet and see what's happening to uh... everybody determines well aware that we ran out of uh... conversion for interest rates in february of two thousand one and uh... that uh... was sort of um... i don't know that it was an embarrassment for box i mean there was a interesting surprised weblink refers to in the design in nineteen seventy three forty years ago and the question came up how how many addresses should be out on this experimental Internet it we didn't know the answer to that so we said well let's see how many computers will there be a per country at the time we were doing this machines we are using were big drinker machines we thought we could meet into any of those they take a boiler room in there expensive but we said let's go be crazy about we allocate twenty four bits of address space for the machine sixteen million you know what we thought was mainframes per country croats overjoyed billy said how many countries are there we didn't know there was no need to look it up sold stuff itself the weekly guest company cartoon so uh... added that he said well i mean it's already per country and i thought well just got the organ it wasn't exactly expensive yet so maybe they'll be cooper country you know it's worked for competition so we said twenty taxes two fifty six i take this plus twenty four thirty two-bit we actually debated late nineteen seventy seven just as the Internet protocols were being standardized whether we expanded our space what we wanted very awake addresses in the programmers hated the idea to sing waste computer seconds finding difficult in the packet because the gurgling to india uh... then somebody said how about our twenty-two address space at the time we were on a fifty to a bit backbone and the band frankly an awful lot of these changes were fully flex interactions character a character a complex it over again one character going back forth with two hundred fifty six bases source and destination address investment semi there was not there to visit enough we all have scared in the mid-nineteen ninety houston started uh... work on what was going to be calling png_ for next year eventually that uh... produce the ideally six address please bob blendon others has developed one hundred twenty eight bits and pieces sell in a very far away has been using are no Internet and tone down the production version is now open for any officially released on june sixth two thousand twelve i have favored a list of everyone of you if you will go to whichever eyes pe surprising with Internet address please and ask them what the jury piece explain when can i get i could be six this is important because it's very very slow in terms of penetration mostly because the irs_ user about terror a lot of their software is already capable routers havent ups_ devices have hiking he sticks to the ice peter turning out there saying in disingenuous nobody's asking for course and asking for ordered users don't know what he for eighty six it is mission hefty when you do and so if you will help us embarrass them or force in the too many people were asking for anything you want to thank you for that yeah uh... does try to explain what the implications of a hundred and twenty eight two dresses are remember saying time that that every electronic universe could have its own web page until somebody from cal tech blog renouncing got cancer futures teddy electrons in the universe in europe by fifty orders of magnitude so i don't say that anymore uh... yeah thing is happening is that the maintains its been bitten in latin characters you know can be written in dot characters in it using the income carousel which coming two hundred thousand more characters that same universities using html amex and all four of the web so that makes weapons meaning system much more compatible i cut hike in the Internet corporation for signings and overseas and initiated program of expansion of the generic top-level domains over two thousand applications were received for these units many or conflict because people saint martin's but uh... certainly on the order of fifteen hundred of them uh... are unique and the question you know it's which ones will actually become all registered as top-level domains that process is simple so this is a major expansion uh... the namespace belly all the standard any system has a number of or abilities uh... one of which is uh... poisoning of the uh... nameserver cash and so in order to get rid of borja geetac and inhibit out the effects of that kind of poison database system security uh... uh... architecture's being deployed basically it's just been reciting abhi binding between the two main ninety address so when you look up to translate you dress you can ask for site response if you get a correct response back such exim in cricket jackson uh... is uh... uh... matches what you expect then at least you have some confidence in the integrity of the bundy someone hasn't gone in modified that binding or factored into claims because they don't have the private tv would have been used to sign that cancer that's being deployed around the entire rooms and is signed and a number of the second radio talk over the means ourself and some of the second your side as well a similar idea uh... has come up with regard to the routing system no remember that this whole thing was developed in a time when it was mostly geeks who are doing work in a trust each other now we're in an environment where you can't do that anymore so it would have to retrofit mechanisms that will deal with possible components indication running system basically in order to become part of the net dissonant notes that you have you're responsible for keeping track of the address space total system number or and uh... my idea of this uh... spaces this and that propagates around through the routing system the problem is you come on and when you lie about this and you look like a somebody says estates in order to defend against that it has been proposed that night it implemented there we go with a similar kind of digital binding doing some reading between the eco-system number in the idea just based which it is responsible for so that when you're doing well and updates you can actually check to see where the parties use animals in the states actually has the authority there's some complexity this because not all routing announcements come from the edge they propagated through the net so some of the announcements are coming from and so you have to be able to verify that the whole chain announcement is actually down and so that makes it somewhat more complicated which is why hasn't been deployed yet it's in the process of being now i'm going to talk more about sensor networks the smartly program and mobile devices so this is just a reminder again in our Internet environment these treatments are rapidly uh... filling up system now we all anchor recognize that devices are showing up on the net i certainly had anticipated uh... he's actually uh... this is an order striking out the picture larry page where you go class as another Internet enabled device but i can remember being very surprised if somebody came in and said to me they had just ended an animal picture frame yet and i couldn't imagine what would that mean all i think it was it sounds as useless as a electric for kickball uh... but in fact it's obviously uh... very useful and many of us at the gym we have a wellesley upload or pictures to website pictures are downloaded into the with the end of the uh... Internet naval picture frame and we have an opportunity to watch what's going on in the family so it's kind of a crude form of uh... a little closer face book inouye insist personal its opponents actually rather nice for the grandparents because he can upload pictures of the grandchildren nieces and nephews and see what they're doing bellevue way this works you know who is in the downloads the frame down those images from some website so now securities issue because of the website gets hacked the grandparents may see pictures of what we hope is not the grand jury so now we have to worry about insecurity at home as well as it org uh... there are things that look like telephones that are really voice over at the devices uh... the guy in the middle has built an Internet enabled surfboard uh... i don't know about how did it and send him water waiting for the next wave thinking you know i had a laptop myself or it could be surfing the Internet away let's let's do it as a laptop in this report and uh... and then go for the wifi service back to the rescue check on the beach myself as a surprise so if you want to go surf the net while you're aware this is for you paisa tells us that everyone over the world will someday have an idea dress and i can tell jokes about that anymore because somebody sent me and ideally six radio naval led_ whitehall uh... and works uh... i have a a tv sets at work writing in the house and you can turn the lights are but that will get it uh... the interesting thing is that uh... this no one can you turn it off green collars programmer you can interrogate find out so these sorts of things are becoming reality so if you on have only imagine this is a science fiction of speculation it is not are in fact uh... you know i just realized something he'd seen inside hiding behind it okay hiking uh... so uh... this is my sense is that at home uh... this is an iv six radio net it's uh... commercial pops is not mean that in the garage over the side of him uh... the communities is on trial which is a partner at cisco systems a couple of years ago scissor site all wingers their sampling the uh... uh... like level humidity and temperature in each room in the house every five minutes and that is propagated through this network sensors so the sensors are actually store forward realize they're running six votes and i i p e six on top of that and so the date is accumulated in the server an interactive based so you're only he can do this right dot and my father once that is the end of the year i will have very good information about how well he had been awake and air conditioning instead of anecdotal information may have real uh... engineering data story is an engineering like that now one of the house is the one side so that one is a log as the temperature goes above sixty degrees fahrenheit i get 'em uh... nasa now some of the laptop what is warming up i remember going into love lawrence not little argonne national laboratory effort three day visit just as i was walking into the building all of those opportunities dot com uh... you know that you just broke into the sixties resign barrier no one was home at the time and so every five minutes for the next three days i kept getting this little message the airline is winding up so i called your truck guys they said you have remote actuators he said yes they say they have strong authentication on them because i have a fifteen-year-old next door to go on and messing with my wine cellar and he said yes so that's the weekend project to install benedetto thinking you know i can probably tell somebody has gone into the winds are blowing away cuz i can see the lexicon of her but i don't know what they didn't care so ok solution to this is to put our fit_ chips on the spot what then i can do an instantaneous inventory to see that is why it is what the seller without my permission and down I'd miss it describing this look brilliant design you and your friends and he told me there was about i said winning is about to see what you can go into the wine cellar red wine and leave the bob so now we have to put sensors in the court and if i was reading that we might as well sent esters to find out whether one is ready to drink so before you on the bottle he would carry the court and if that's the bala got thirty year issue something that's the one that you're doing awesome cuz he doesn't know the difference not actually out this sort of thing is going to be very common not so everyone's on the part although if i i i had someone come out with in prime time are fit_ done uh... yeah apa spartan tanks and we actually wandered around my cell and we picked up every single lots of exactly this is not it's not a crazy idea uh... the thing is that we will have sensor networks and use them for environmental control isn't for security will use them for variety of things to only residence or business or manufacturing facility jimmy management control some of these things will be very much a part of the union now there's an interesting question i'm going to use the sensor network as it's cool walking us through bunch of questions now the questions are very specific to the notion of sensor network architecture m large numbers of devices that have to be configured and access control but i want to as we go through this particular discussion i want you to be thinking generally about Internet enable appliances are all kinds having maybe managed and controlled and wanting them to be isolated from parties to might want to use them for and nefarious purposes anything that we don't want is the headline that says that there was a get distributed denial of service attack against bank of america by every refrigerator in america accel we need to be able to think of ways through how he will configure install offering protect uh... and also move move from one place and others to imagine that you take your places with you they have idea dresses and meeting that will be a new life he addresses when they were installed new residents how we do all of that expecting every single could become an expert in configuring nike devices they shouldn't have to do that you have to know anything about and so what they remove series of design and operational should there be single controller for all the devices should there be a controller for each class of the bonds how should we in device u connect up with the poultry controller one of your apartment building and endure controller detects devices that are in the into an apartment this is certainly a great we probably have with that uh... electric blanket where the two parties have the control switch was turning up to get warmer the others turning down a bit cooler aggressive across the net uh... so this is their these questions that are actually pretty hard and i think some of us are going to have to figure out what's the right way to do it problem for the on wireless well depending on where they were installed you may or may not have been radio connectivity even just inside the house so some of them i have to be wired summary wireless employees different frequencies now this is easy and every device that is sold to be part of the sensor s so i have to be adaptable to different conditions depending once found a place for install uh... on the factory floor uh... there are similar kinds of scale questions that occurred once again very important to make sure that the user control only by parties that have the authority to do that you don't want some random person halfway around the world turned on in manufacturing device and possibly or one of the workers uh... they are the question is whether the devices interact with each other whether they'll be directly nationalized and here we get into the interesting example one of the art rock system where the devices are released for jun in addition providing uh... censored census data process today uh... and then uh... providing it to some king lear but they also are part of that work which is something to happen uh... to uh... local radio condition so on this is an d the questions or almost endless here's some more here and decide what ideas they should have you generate the state using ninety b six presumably because before useful but there is a a question about previous should be what you have this is the another remembered we're out of discovery online discover other devices that are part of the system uh... some of you will know a little bit about convoluted system works if you use it you know that we can devices are in close enough proximity uh... one of them were present which you you enter into the other one in order to confirm that you want to do my cv connected now the question is whether every device in this garment is uh... hazardous waste even though we were not and if it doesn't mean we start thinking or hawaii how to manage these things and it could be the journal while becomes the devices used not only to control and that also to configure and so I'd be in the possibilities here are fairly uh... complex and we're gonna have to figure out how to make that work what about what to it's very attracted to be a little website and say i would like to using uh... webpage diminish my devices and if we standardize things properly then third parties will be able to offer service to manager systems fourteen think about entertainment you know about you i have lots of boxes at home and have infrared controllers for and usually i fumble around for a while trying to figure out which controllers the right one for which box and when i finally got that right that's the controller that bad so if we put all of them are going well network and we use the mobile which is also a little old man is the controller of the things that happen can be in court uh... then that means third parties intervenes english if you'll allow them would be the manager of the devices and all you do is go to the web sites and what the sound of movies please populate all various devices which is entertainment country is of interest to me so out is just incredibly uh... rich character what about state information if you have uh... things that are are gathering data about the temperature humidity levels in my case or other things about house you may be able to infer whether anybody's at home how many people were home uh... went up in the morning on active depending on what information is available that could pose a security hazard especially if they can't figure out nobody's home so again this is a question of what information should be available who should have access to it and control that so there's just goes it's a long long listed updates that we're cope with here's another interesting things that are part of uh... typically cable provider configures these things up for you uh... and it operates the controller forty and offers web access is uh... sheila to control the system and if so how boxes of these on american interact with each other like charity art so that's a common example but one thing what happens if we transform decency devices there i could be sixty and they have the ability to reach out and use the Internet in addition to everything else now they become since it could be streaming video from other sources sending cable television company and that interestingly enough creates a conflict right because the cable tv guide supplying him with broadband access to the Internet discovers that you're using the broadband Internet to get access to somebody else's video which messes up your business model which leads to a possible or desire to prevent you from getting video from anybody but damn back isn't in the calendar dates and everything else is a very quickly as we pursue these technical problems we also cover uh... an honors various policy issues that have to be resolved uh... and i've already talked about your chocolate so uh... or the other question is diversity in uniformity uh... one uniformity is really helpful because it allows you to your opportunity diversity dot is important because you want to be able to trying new things and figuring out how to cope with both of us at the same time up to be true this part of it is a program was started by the department of commerce department of energy about four years ago and their initial focus was to create margaret interoperability panel to encourage standards for the devices that are part of a smart grid so they can be managed to they could respond for example to it by saying that uh... the uh... power grid was reaching people and would you please let me go water earlier condition for a while this is important because the ability to control world was not billed capacity excess capacity that's only a small percentage of time and so that's a good or thrilled capability disability sake please don't use electricity but you also have the opportunity to get to report back on which devices were used during the course in montana element now tell you something about my record that was what it is and that feedback loop is what helps us decide whether we change our lifestyle possibly for economic reasons are really just care about the environment we want to change or abuse electricity for example so again a whole series of issues associated with smartly program that or not uh... once was the sensor networks except one thing you should really different up until uh... recently most of the car generated in the united states essentially generated in distributed over collins without reaching a point where we are capable putting generation capability to be adjusted and he gets even more dramatic when you go from this photovoltaic candidate manpower possibly view thermal uh... as a generators of electricity in your home now it's more again electric cars make began so now you have the possibility no holding power out of the system recharge cars were pushing power into the system that i want to think about control theory if you put it in school it gets more complicated systems that will push and pull at the city at you know at the same time problem that we are independently uh... every or every household united states is either generating electricity reporting electricity hideouts assistant like that and so if you're interested in some of the thinking about that look at my grades uh... google search on that because the ideas artists consider actually just really electrical power generation farther so that we live so dependent on one uh... singles samples solely in a particular area simply right before it was in all kinds of people here this vote leads me to one other thing about uh... Internet him thing that uh... like uh... mentioned earlier about policy for the big issues that we have today is that there are countries this see how important the Internet is but they're nervous about it because they have since democratic ability to let people share information and for some data authoritarian regimes that's a threat we've seen the outcomes for example in europe spring I'd like to emphasize something for you mean some people were pounding their chests and looking uh... Internet was that part of or face book and others were part of the air strain is wonderful except the outcomes revolutions don't always come out where you would like and right now we're seeing some pretty difficult problems in egypt for example in libya for example in syria for example uh... he changes of the places where the the arabs friends started teenage is probably one which is happy i don't use the word placid exactly but it was more stable regime change for the others have been very very difficult so i want to be careful not to the role of the Internet analysts as if it is uniformly positive you have to be really thoughtful about how you recover from major rethinking but what this is like to is a real debate about uh... what role governments have in the control of the Internet for all of us uh... in the Internet world uh... historically we've seen this is a very violent thing multiple stakeholders are interested him making decisions about policy they're the ones that are affected by whether it's a technical community the general public civil society the government's the private sector are all having equal state him what happens in the policy many and yet many of the intergovernmental institutions like the international telecommunications union see this is the province of governments to make policy and uh... this is a place where there's plenty of opportunity for intervention they world summit on the information society which began in two thousand three began with the premise that there would be an information society and we were seen emerge of its own when did it mean firmly policy point of view and the first thing that these government officials where this is a intergovernmental discussion first thing that they asked was what information society ends there people said well the Internet is an example so they said what was in charge of the Internet not nothing could possibly be tuesday if it was essentially mentioned we said well nobody is a distributed system and they didn't believe this so then they discovered that i can because i can't has responsibility for idea dress allocations and meeting management and they decided and i can this be a tragedy and then they said it wasn't right if i can they decided i cant government contract with the department of commerce twenty nine and must be in charge of either that us is in terms of the Internet patents sit well with some of the country set back pain us attorney unit has been uh... a persistent uh... issue since two thousand three Internet governance forum was created out of the world somebody information society as a place where we could talk about issues arising in the inner it's a very important multi stakeholder system or function it doesn't make decisions this turns out to be really important because he'd make decisions if you're if you drafts uh... communiques or make recommendations you have to argue with each other you end up doing uh... you know these little words missing things in the end what we want is people going away understanding what are the issues like facing Internet how should they be dressed in battle but not by idea atf_ is their as a way of surfacing problems helping people figure u i'm ireland let me just get through organ international talks non-stop about some of you follow the world conference on information technology know that there was a major earthquake this was intended to revise the international talk on regulations which had been touched his nineteen eighty eight and at that point poorest people government officials especially when thinking about you know so they didn't take into account what unit was like and what he could do how could subsumed mobile solely earlier telecommunications applications system which it has done so they try to revise these things and the uh... countries that were most interested in finding ways to control Internet wanted to use the international telecom regulation revision as a way of gaining authority over the net so they try to put language into a high tea arms that uh... spoke of spam for example spoke with security smoker viruses worms and source well those are applications that country and never in history international talk i mean you know her dot hunt and he was it was standardizing telephone uh... interaction and originally delaware interactions but it was never responsible for content they didn't control what he did say on the phone they only trying to make sure you can make a phone call well i think the Internet to be the same way that these guys concede that way the result of the debate was that uh... of the hundred and forty seven countries that attended eighty-nine signed the resulting treating fifty-five walk away including the united states which is the right thing to do so if that is the biggest schism international negotiations regarding telecom that's ever happened in history the iq i think it's a very important uh... data point and i think that which actually kind of take advantage of the fact that there is disagreeing in order to force people to face it at the Internet is different approval via the telephone system we've been dealt with in the past skip over to privacy and safety you hear security security security is an issue on the Internet what I'd like to suggest to use that word causes people to think too much about uh... national security and think about nation state tax and so what would happen cases is not argue that they don't but the general public goes this way at the point where we're talking actual security what they don't it fully appreciate is that they are also part of the problem but its safety daycare they would like to be feel like they're safe on the Internet and they don't give us a fight because orders policy of reported so i'm thinking that we should be working out uh... kind of cyber fire depart velvet model i have in my head into somebody standing in front of his uh... his house was burning down and he's got a garden hose and he's taking any somebody with the rows and more water in order for this out in the first thing the comes to mind is not to call the police department you call firepower so we don't have a sucker for apartment in for a lot of individuals households and small businesses and everything else they don't have the expertise to put out a certified they don't know what to do about being infected within a matter of fact that they don't know what to do about cyber tackled and what they have cyber for in incall as a business or vigil but the rules may have to be different from what we did when we actually caught fire department your neighbor can call fire department to be seizure house on fire the fire department feels free to come in and broke windows in the rules in order for the fire because the neighborhood it is addressed so far is out but now they have in your competitor calls a cyber fire department says you're under attack cases are fire department comes out break settling down for three days trying to figure out what the problem is in wilder out of business and your competitors flailing so the rules for uh... indeed start for artwork the different media before for example i think it's important in this analogy is the fire department aptly put out the fire try to figure out why the fire started interviews are some and suddenly the police department of the heroes on for some gets the ball you can imagine a similar kind of scenario something else happens the fire department economic inspector building to see whether or not meet parker and we have fire codes for buildings and and that you can imagine looking for advice and even some rules for designing systems that are safer than others just like we have rules for doing buildings that are safer examples forget multiple exits entrances for for safety's sake so i think that we are at a period of time worthless consider uh... me invention of the summer for a car their country of the things here that dimension i have a few other things to talk about it also no vietnam pretty close to having borden vols or i can't believe it here's the problem digital signatures are really attractive right significance and usually sign things anywhere the question is legally is is it is a digital signature binding and it's not percent clear right now especially international business whether or not a contract has been signed usually it has weighed in court and so there's eighteen missing uh... assessment uh... either there is legislation does require or the international treaties required in order to determine whether or not digital signature on a contract is binding we don't have uh... agreements yet cleaning up but i think you would you wouldn't have words but come to some agreement about that i'm sure all of you are aware of the current state of debate on intellectual property on the path inside software patents to turn out to be a nightmare and uh... i think all those who recognize what that is the best example i can give you a wild and this is important for creativity and innovation is html when the first browsers for me even when the timbers needed uh... they had to feature the you can actually asking to show you the html source and you could figure out how do they do that and then they copied each other and it was great because you know webmasters learn from each other they develop new ideas everybody got to try new things out and give them the evolution the webpage was pretty dramatic over a very short period of time because people share each other's ideas and use it of html uh... in that's just one example of the reason why open this has been so valuable that's why google makes open-source available creme brulee increment croats for the same reasons but right now there's a lot of attention comes to copyright it's a whole other story uh... some of you will remember the uh... uh... in the our constitution the notion of copyright was installed in there as for two reasons to benefit the party who had created a work for a limited period of time originally was fourteen years and if you were the author of something that you could control who can make copies of it for that period of time if you were still alive after fourteen years ago actually had an option to extend the copyright again for another fourteen years i think you had to make the payment to do that well what has happened over the whole and then after that period had expired the work became part of the public domain intent here to benefit the population in the words are in there exactly that way what has happened over the course of a couple of years is that the intellectual property community has extended the lifetime for but the copyright holder s seventy five years after the death of the office this feels a little excessive to me because it seems to have left out the idea that things in the public domain would benefit the general public i think we've been waiting for we're seeing similar problems with passed because we have people fighting overpass that expanding billions of dollars things it probably should have been patented in the first place i think this is a largely approval of software so uh... this is a big problem in some of us into technical world were about do indeed with the legal people in order to work through the implications of changing love the way these things work and final thing i wanted to mention on the slide has to do with the problem that uh... we are increasingly creating digital content every day when we use word processing programs that were used for entry to usa uh... presentation software kind or another we create fairly complex digital files say this is the big business in those files were only meaningful with the software that created them is available and one of the problems that arise this is an overtime that's offering up the executed on the machines that you have available and so if you carefully stored the bits and you've moved them from the five quarter-inch floppy do the three and a half incentive you know the uh... dvds or cds to any and seller if you move the dates from one begin to another if there is no guarantee that the software that created them will still be money machine that you're currently using or the operating system that we currently using uh... the uh... lol might uh... experiment i remember whose what happens in this year's three thousand and you've got a google search and in turn up in nineteen ninety seven qar point five the question suppose you're running windows three thousand images for the sake of argument and the question is will the windows three thousand package interpreting nineteen ninety-seven powerpoint file correctly answered probably no and this is not a gratuitous vega microsoft even if you're using open source mechanisms that the other hundred-percent through the open source programs would continue to be compiled worry machine up until the year three thousand so there's a real challenge their which is maintaining the ability to interpret the debts in scientific data it's even worse because he he uh... track not only in the distant cells from in san diego calibration instruments uh... in the conditions under which the data was collected we don't have a bridging right now either a few more that we can retain information or even that we can get access to software when the company goes out of business or when they with lisa a new version is not compatible with the previous one how do we get access to the previous of software there are there is no current regime which recognizes the importance of retaining uh... access to the scheduled days some of you probably saw the movie lincoln and you've ever reading a book called a team of rivals by doris kearns good one of the interesting things about herblock usage fee reconstructed the dialogue with the time by going to a hundred different libraries and finding the lenders principles in that uh... story had said to each other she was able to reconstruct dialogue based on their imagine the june twenty second century and trying to reproduce what life was like in are twenty first century everything we've done is scheduled it's all done it's unacceptable they will never be at the moment we work we we will not be good ancestors we will be invisible ancestors so we can not this would have to figure out how to do background ocampo team well you know what through getting lazy i really feel compelled to tell you some of this is it ok uh... so this is the thing that's interesting about the Internet is that despite the fact that bomb in a local celebrate the fortieth anniversary of the design paper was published in may of seventy four of the original papers written in september of seventy three and we turn the system on on january one nineteen eighty three sows an operational for thirty years in spite of this age uh... it has a long pretty dramatically and there are lots of things that are still going on there could be done with the open flow idea stanford university and it begins with is a particularly interesting example you know when we don't balance with cisco another still drives big is the address base on the packets to figure out where they should welcome so you look at the destination addressing look it up in a cable news where doctor replied the cable companies fourteen thousand you do that mitnick in his guys said wildly limiting ourselves to the end respects it why can't use other events in the packet to tell us where out things what we did look at the other states at all just look at the content decided how to wrap based on that as a slightly multitask like ring to it at that because you can imagine announcing you were interested in this kind of content and everybody knows that i'm interested in that kind of content would get copies of the package because the drowning people would say anybody that said they wanted that content we were back to that smoking yes so what what they have done basically is open up the notion of routing too much broader range possibilities this is really powerful stuff and i don't have time to go to all the details of the global decided to build an hour wide area network backbone that connects all of our data centers together using open flow so over a period of about eighteen months aboard where we work with the overflow team we actually implemented and open for hours and we build ourselves and we put into operation in the backbone latino business together it's given us substantially better performance in terms of uh... your station of the optical uh... network that links are data centers so have very ambitious thing to do identity do with it some thought that i can taken credit don't want you earth also as our senior vp for information for infrastructure and his team just landed and it's really impressive uh... so this is an example of breaking uh... out over donor card it will emulate everything literary robert do because use text of the actors but the fact is is like any technology worded does the previous thing and then because you using new technology to do the previous thing you can send you step in the body of your life you can do it uh... that's very uh... another we talked about configuration management and the Internet things problem certificates and certification a lot of people thought that issuing certificates should be greatly reduced authentication but that assumes you can trust you to get it for recent issues a certificate in the first place problems you can do you know if you isn't the issue where the certificate can have any string they want to associated with the public key there was no concern and so if you in fact were able to call wears uh... a certificate authority by the certificate authority over break into a certificate is already in generate fall certificate with more microsoft word himself for providers namely in that certificate and then somehow issue software associated that certificate you can cause people to mistakenly download and install well the problem here is trust every certificate corey now you can try to uh... thought to that if you look at your browser and you see how many certificate authorities are uh... are trusted outfits it's only and self control sold by the other alternative india atf_ right now is to look at the possibility of installing certificates intervening system using insect as a tool for making sure that everything going down to the place where the certificate is being installed has been digitally signed so there's a change dress on top of that is usually is related to refer to strings that are related to me in which that coddling inserted interest on so if you're google dot com the only certificates that i could have a good in cool dot com the second level domain with her third level domains inside google dot com any other attempts to for certificate out of that part of the uh... demeaning zone we have to be rejected out of him because he strain was accredited wasn't from its own so that's an example of a way of responding to this story let me just mention one of the things i want to give you a quick summary of the year planetary system uh... p uh... those of you who study the history of competing here remember project activity back in the nineteen sixties one of the interesting things they did was to modify and she knows ge six thirty five thirty to six forty five that had it brings a protection and their management it reads a protection were triggered whenever you executed as sensitive instruction that instruction tracked down to the colonel software and said who r u what are you doing here when instruction he tried to execute and what makes you think you have the authority to do that and all the colonel would decide whether or not you were actually allowed to execute the instruction in place in the appropriate reign of control so as you got down to ring zero who have more more control over machine this is an example of hardware and software working together to reinforce security we actually have that capability in the x_-eighty six trips but nobody's programming and they should be good to know so that's one example of hardware reinforcing security with software um... the same thing is just happened recently with uh... violence with digitally signed by house we can execute people program comes in the operating system and less the digital signature on the five scone checks out with her it's another example of getting more reinforcements okay hundred skip down to the interplanetary Internet so we've heard about this it was just an update on the status when we started we were interested in providing better networking for uh... exploring mars this was in nineteen ninety just after the pathfinder project waited smallholder on mars very successfully the information that was coming back with strip directly from apple or over a wave after through the deep space network and so my colleagues and i had the jet propulsion laboratory ki what should we be doing and we will need twenty five years from now in order to provide better networking for uh... p uh... space faring nations and out we very quickly concluded we should use rich networking like Internet no we said well maybe we can use the cpi_ p hearts on earth so maybe work on mars too and of course i will work on mars but it doesn't work between the planets because of the variable delay which could be up to twenty minutes one way forty minutes roundtrip and also destruction in the plan is a rotating we have figured out how to stop that sup so if you're talking to something on the surface of the planet rotates or maybe there's an order you can talk a little it comes back around again so we end up with this variable the land destruction environment pcp_ is broke in that regard so we developed a new initially protocols we call the bottle protocol in recent years we didn't come up with very beautifully done kentucky fried chicken noodle called hotbed birds period just not really giving some final phone call isn't your planetary world unit protocol is winter it'll run on basically anything that moves a packet of dates from one place to another runs on top of pcp_ dealers on top of the vp hearings and cut by p was on top of point-to-point links do we get after looking for a regions of the design of the system we install it uh... for experimental purposes uh... but let me go back there there was you know in two thousand four over several and in order to him very successfully spirit and opportunity one of them I'd forget which fear is has died i can read one of his dad the other one is uh... still producing data but when they were uh... first landed they were supposed to transmit data directly back to earth away pathfinder did but those radios overheat and the result is that they needed to reduce the duty cycle to keep it from armenia itself or any other equipment was originally rated at twenty eight august second and that was nearly scientists were not happy about that when we told we have to reduce the duty cycle they worry more than happy about that and so one of the engineer said well there's an expand radio on the rover there's an expand radio on orders which have been put in place in orders uh... certainly the planet to decide where the rover should go but they finish that tested evidence in orbit and they had available communications can computing in memory so the the orders and the rover reprogrammed to take data that you collected squared up to the order when i got into with replacement ball into the data for the transmitted data back uh... to the deep space network the data rate going on the expand radial isn't when he told it's the second pakistan grading and two fifty six and uh... the orders since they have a large solar arrays and didn't have any problem even within rowers atmosphere could transmit data back it more than two hundred twenty kept a second so all the data that was coming back from our school in store for packet switching today demonstration of how well that could work dirt that landed in the year two thousand eight was in the north pole didn't have a configuration of three factors so they went through the relay again belly-up the protocols to be a proxy spacecraft which is in order in the sun that had wonderful with two counts it was called deep impact originally in the new new mission bringing to the party so if as the protocols on board rovers at the protocols board your orders at the protocols word international space station has protocols work we're operating basically rudimentary interplanetary network now and so what's happening is that at nasa efforts to standardize these protocols internationally through the consul canadian space data systems were hoping that everybody will adopt the protocols use them in their missions or even if they don't use among the nations of the salmon on board so when those missions are done purpose those devices is known as an interplanetary back and so we might actually see something like that uh... over you know many decades now some people said well you know why are you doing supports one answers provide which options for more complex missions with multiple uh... spacecraft in orbit intend on foreign you know in orbit around the sun for example were flying out of the solar system or possibly on the surface in fact we get into example of that a couple of months ago out of the european space agency in cooperation with the uh... us did may test from the uh... international space station using the interplanetary protocols to control the rover on the ground in germany so while we were demonstrating is one of the white if you were in orbit around mars and you need to control over remotely it was close enough to was real-time interaction so the protocols although they can deal with uh... variable delay are also perfectly ok disliking vp fine so you have a wonder will go right so that might help build more complex missions but i have one of the reason for doing this barbour released a contract last year for half a million dollars to a consortium to design a spacecraft they can get to the nearest star in a hundred years that's for reflectors away alpha centauri and so uh... i'm lucky to be part of that consortium in their three problems problem number one is propulsion uh... it turns out that uh... the current propulsion systems would take about sixty five thousand years to get from earth to alpha centauri which is a little won't even for a darker project so the question is how do i get up to about twenty percent the speed of light an ally the way we need to william slowdown before we get together and otherwise we'll get one image in indian than expected so the idea of what you saw them in going forward so we have to reaches speed of about twenty percent speed of light midpoint fifty years and then be able to console them to get to work at the evidence that's one problem navigation is another problem uh... imagine you know that when we do interplanetary projects now usually the spacecraft get to a certain point in the mission and you have to do in the course sections and we do that is interactively not not not literally real-time we send the correction information we get back to information about the change in me uh... flight path now imagined for doing this for the space craft that's not what your way so it takes a year for the information you get there another year for you to find out whether or not worker instant feel like it was real interactive on so i got worried about that until somebody pointed out that ecom proper motion stars that are within about ten litres of our solar system was actually pretty woman which means that we can do in homestead additional slightly as we can use stars there much farther away as a way of calibrating where we are and then use that to make a mid-course corrections so that i was easy that this communication how big the generators signal it would be detectable order from for your support uh... you know and also you have to deliver the equipment to for lives away so you have some limitations on message you can send so i've been thinking well maybe eh... femtosecond lasers mentioned you have a hundred what power supply and compress a hundred one signals ten minus fifteen seconds and should give you pretty good since then without even if it's a laser beam isn't being spread over four lightyear distance and i get this very attenuated bohat false attenuated downsizings sewer systems and now you know i need the interplanetary backbone is so i can do the synthetic aperture receiver to detect the signal coming from an office in time one of the physicist said wait a minute there's another when it is that you know that he that he will be online stone figure some serious right so he said if you go fired fifty astronomical units away from the senate you begin to get the point where the gravity will form a focal point fulfilling so we can just get equipment five and fifty a year out from her then we can use the focal uh... gravitational lands of the sun in order to focus the signal is coming office in time so that certain current idea building planetary answered style system intergalactic it's somebody else's trial file i i'm sorry when i sent him a little bit speaking talent dizzy and sick about this i happen to spend some time in two and a biol forgive you if you all the center of the way but i think in any case for coming to google c mister thank you so much prestige for another great speech you gave last year uh... presented by you'll stop understand you're and said sorry start work here those are are real meals problems a real problem is that we can find in our discussion to those words we actually banda thinking in uh... in ways that general solely anyone masses espy's march urich uh... if metallic style security xy i have actually has interactions with the department of homeland security which is actually doing an experiment with the sacristy notion so that i don't know how far they've gotten into releasing functionality to make it available but my understanding is that they see the need for uh... the order to avoid the small businesses to have a place to go home to get help because the building helped me get today tends to be antivirus operating download which does help to some degree but all of you sure very familiar with daisy row attacks which are increasingly common and the other thing i worry about specifically is the response to suffer tak if you have a young uh... an attack wishing let's take it distributed in the home services uh... if you're interested in responses i'm going to wipe out this drives a volvo machines that are attacking me turns out those machines are probably owned by citizens who don't know their machines are infected and be able to wipe out this transit you know a million people some of those uh... machines were important for daily operation and suddenly we have found ourselves and for so that can't be right answers so we have to think our way through our carefully about how we attribute the source and what we do about the case where the actual attacking devices are not under the control actually abusers that is still a lot of work to be done saying yeah i think in the beginning you mentioned uh... the next big thing possibly people using a device is used to do xyz_ likely music on the same room uh... play video record surveillance is tough on you use your more thoughts about about that i'm market myself what he said that though so what you know one of the things that i find interesting different one figure question suggest imagine you're driving in the car and uh... you are asking questions like how do i get to this destination uh... the voice message may go to a speech understanding system but the answer may come back on the navigational display on the car everyone that using two devices at the same time the way that the system navigational system knows uh... what is the address of the occasional displays that the system is taking her voice is also telling the destination here the other devices in the car how about you walk into a hotel room animal that was turned on animal well discovers a high-resolution display that below instead of showing everything on the train eagle's wing of the mobile now suddenly put it up on a large high-resolution so these are all kinds things that i'm imagine we could do access control is clearly an issue do you want to be lady do that the other dining room next door doesn't want to look at what's on his mama uh... on your high-resolution display so it's clear that we have to do something make sure uh... things are promptly control weird question over here but i a north microphone just a minute thank you for being here and thank you for your contributions mister sir uh... my questions pertaining to see and following seeing ccp underlying sockets interested two point seriously single stream transport consistent inorder messaging astrology field is the right choice speed communicate so first of all answers that one of the reasons that insulin saying is you can't intended for and so and many party p has one for example http city and town at pcp but others are just you pcp so committed question no i don't think the pcp_ is the only thing she begins it's a astonishing to me that it has actually serviced us as well as it happens when you think about it's set of constraints and everything else but a lot of what happens on the net is uh... that that uses pcp does not necessarily use it for subsequent actions so they're uniquely streams party p streams that are activated by the web based http uh... activates a string delivery which is not over jcp it may be over different protocol and that's all the right thing here i think here is to have protocols that are appropriate to the application that you're looking for uh... so i'm actually encourage people to i'll take advantage of fact the Internet is so open to try things out there's nothing that's not to directly from on building a whole new set of applications and we see this kind there's a good example of that where they simply download an application when you use it instead of you know anything else in mind that mail uh... so handing out frankly I'd be happy to see people invented protocols and do a better job for something soon ccp candy is so amazing to me and it's been so robust orchestrated time out action how do you think about privacy like well all hard times used he he in the future is party can be the most valuable assets and that using a commonweal percentages stations to the usage of the state so is it that well first of all we are intent we aware of the importance of preserving priority and privacy and weak paid dearly for a couple of mistakes that happen elected incidental collection of information when we were doing street view i think though that privacy is becoming increasingly hard to protect the reason is not because who has information we will fight very hard for to maintain your privacy we have resisted government demand for information more actively and many other companies and also a whole a lot of information but we do it ourselves and we take pictures of them allows we upload onto the website some people are discovered being in places where they were doing the people you put the pictures that we do this to every friend but it isn't your friend somebody was not a on your facebook or something somebody else's fault jobs at a party said he wasn't there america's in trouble because picture a so the issue here is learning what part social conventions should be to deal with the fact that we have said privacy invasion uh... teja lodging available to us on the google site we do use the data to help figure out how to target as we're very up front about that but we don't give the day than anybody else some people nationally our business model is saldana value to somebody else is not needed your data is inside our system and it stays there you can get all the data back if you want to but what is important is that we use the information to deliver advertising which is our business model and everybody knows that hoping that that information to guess you will actually be of interest to you so the purpose behind the information that we're accumulating uh... is to deliver advertising which is more over to you then than just build blanket at and for many people that kind of advertising is actually don't you think that like advertising it feels like useful and say i can't hear it hoboken given the microphone thank you it's a good sense of those data using honest i think i think it was well let's see if i were politician i would say that's a hypothetical and i don't wanna go ahead but it seems to me that that uh... the data is so important and so uh... resilient reviews firstly mystery present uh... that we would in one trial if we did that i don't think company would survive the trip response so i'm doubtful certainly the current absolutely record okay we have time for just or more still ahead is that none of them uh... thanks again for the talks juggle is always of my partner should actually follows up with a couple go of regarding uh... that the future of sort of uh... Internet protocols at best but dynamic nishant works uh... certainly you know we have muscles of mobile phones here but if the gs ever wifi goes down the kind of useless um... and certainly for places where sat_ jeopardy and that you know backbone was ticket down toward a crisis situation where the infrastructure has available the phones and most of these devices are not programs to talk to things that aren't next to so uh... i mean yet from what they've done uh... standpoint you know what was said to be involved in giving them so i really love the idea but while i was still fairly visiting many dancing on the s we prepared a report on public safety networking and that was exactly one of the things we pointed out this type of a safety net actors to use ltv_ and when things are normally okay that's probably all right but at some point when you have to train our you know sandy here we have some other kind of that man made or otherwise infrastructure may not be there are all than for example made even his air can't get any of the gasoline or daniel or what have you the diesel fuel direct generators i would really love the idea that our devices could be linked together in a message that were i think that that's helped the system argues that homework citizen mesh network it's automatically some format i'm a big fan cooperating that capability into on our devices now keep in mind that privacy suggest that we should be encrypting anyway and in order to take advantage of that you certainly don't want to use a mesh network in which everybody gets taken by a hot dogs and mixed metaphors when you try to get one at the baseball game so uh... you really want to be able to use and doing capability that i would really like the idea incorporating that that would make for much more resilient system selling the picture okay maybe two more than that i'm ready to go who's got the money following up on that uh... it seems that most of our programming languages ritually antiquated their dirtier towards programming a single clock misco computer and not on the distributed uh... not not about taking advantage of distribution and that's patents levels of complex and what do you see I'd heard of a great language today bloom coming up quickly experimental in which a morning what else and i personally a big banner relying which is twenty years old uh... and everybody sees between ketchup relying so wbc so i don't actually see a number of things going on first of all we have program on what the court systems m that in itself is a challenge uh... the clock speeds are not to keep going up in the otherwise chips a little because too much power goes into them so uh... we have to deal with that already have a google was well that other thing is that uh... i really like the idea doing parallel processing but look at what we've been able to do in a very on way where we split some tests out usable parallel strains that doesn't require any special programming to do that seti at home and the protein folding uh... activity who simply parity of simple single processor software insists it is being executed simultaneously allied member systems a lot of our applications at the same we we taped testimony waited up into large numbers of karo uh... processes that don't require simultaneously is of course each corresponding in some operation we've been able to get away with that for the kinds of applications that we had but when we start getting into large-scale simulations now it is to be very different because then you end up having uh... either single instruction stream running against a over i a m data that's uh... seven s i n d sings traffic stream oracle data stream or what you're thinking family more structures statement strings there are languages for that but some of them are really archaic one of those called put near the grand amelia four back in the nineteen seventies nobody can figure out how to program usually hard goodyear sounds like something that very few people couldn't even speak seven or something thousand a day uh... so i suspect that there is real for serious sulfur language development and it's a challenge for a cm its members to start pushing direction someone actually uh... hope for that platforms that are going to become available will return with force us into thinking new kinds of programming parents some of them are result her a-level languages which highlights some of the underlying simplicity complexity of the systems so idea and maybe you have some ideas to pursue that better but if you go and others do it sure hope that you make a note to the competency cm so we can one morning and we really need a break his uh... you can follow up on some of the things you mentioned about ah... intellectual property and and i'm curious about your views on the roles of accuser of the government releasing you know more of its own essentially uh... at peak is that there is this new is yet another ticket order about uh... that came from the white house about releasing opened it and through the economic potential molly options roundup in data uh... hasn't been a lot of activity a on that front and there's a lot more activity on open source in government as well combat but it can be kind of nixon's uh... um... basis uh... you know as an example i was i was reading at some history uh... of arpan and there is an example of um... bbn which i guess was one of those who've been companies involved being hesitant release the uh... stars could i'm behind the uh... i decided to use the packet switching computers um... and eventually that you know that uh... turn around and and stands up and but i'm curious to know what if you're the government what it would really you know how do you find the balance between whose opportunist to use it as established in open platform that people can bowl economic you know cap on top of and abductees verses he did something small you just you know it's just a quality piece of software it's less important what you see of the sort of opportunities the bounce immigration well at first of all a little in this uh... big failure opening uh... access to publications opening sister gave reducing it was a stiffer and ways to do that not just a city cm properties uh... also in the big thing of trying to preserve information i mentioned that earlier the digital no ideas is that one of those uh... i think the increasingly we're going to find people and capable of writing their own software we wouldn't have remember when spreadsheets came out way back when they're in their yes in the early eighties everybody became programmers of spreadsheets and they had been formally trained to write software don't go to imagine that as we work our way up into higher higher level and which is that more and more people will have the ability to either to write their own software or share with each other out so if i think that unless we get into this uh... dabbled preventing people from sharing their software work sharing what they their their intellectual property uh... we'll have a higher probability of uh... being able to take advantage of everybody's skills via writing software that's open this more likely you source models i don't know whether they disagree organic anderson companies that uh... that right software that are largely funded by government and it's and and the softer is not open uh... over in the same is not open right so so well i can tell you that distant cut this short to the records get outta here the government's already spoken at least itself and the white house well sdp_ saying the government sponsored stuff needs to be system well you know there are a whole bunch of questions about winners of the excessive over the world to take the get to retain the data per period of time for you start your own but commercial rights are argument that shows up uh... when you have government contracts and grants and things of that kind and that's a negotiated side if these government goes the way it seems to be in eight years in prison for people who were working under government grant to make available with them if the general public will still be an argument over commercial lines and so this is not a trivial thing to respond to that certainly the trend right now sockets and her okay that's all the time we got a ninety-two students but thank you very much