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Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.06,0:00:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: I will now hand over the\Nmicrophone to our moderator, Geraldine De
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.36,0:00:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bastion, who apart from the French name\Ndoes not speak French.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.42,0:00:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.73,0:00:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.58,0:00:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Geraldine De Bastion: Thank you so much\Nfor having me here and hopefully enough
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.22,0:00:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,English to moderate the session. Hi\Neverybody. My name is Geraldine and I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.44,0:00:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very proud to be moderating this session.\NMaybe a few words to kick off with;
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.01,0:00:49.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usually sessions at CCC come together\Nbecause one person or team of people hand
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.81,0:00:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a topic that they feel they would like\Nto talk about here on one of these stages.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.24,0:00:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This session came together because several\Npeople handed in sessions where they
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.96,0:01:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanted to address how they're trying to\Nbuild communities or spaces that are
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.77,0:01:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically feminist, diverse, and\Ninclusive. And we thought it would be a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.46,0:01:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great idea to give not just one person who\Nhanded in a session, or two people, but
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.24,0:01:18.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the people who handed in sessions on\Nthis topic the stage. So this is how the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.63,0:01:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,session came together: by us grouping\Ntogether different submissions on the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.78,0:01:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,topic. And so I'm very happy that we have\Nfive very interesting and excellent humans
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.46,0:01:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here to speak on the topic matter and will\Nbe presenting their different approaches
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.39,0:01:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their different strategies to building\Nfeminist spaces and communities. And I'd
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.68,0:01:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like to welcome them here on stage. So\Nfirst off we have Hong Phuc who runs FOSS
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.96,0:01:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Asia, which is a community in\NAsia/Southeast Asia for developing
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.21,0:01:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software and hardware specifically open\Nsource. Welcome Hong!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.28,0:01:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.70,0:02:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: We have Azam and Sarah from Le RESET, \Nwhich is a feminist
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.14,0:02:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,queer hackerspace.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.46,0:02:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.67,0:02:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Welcome! We have Em O'Sullivan former\Nhackerspace and maker fair organizer, now
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.25,0:02:20.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,researching how to improve women and non\Nbinary people's engagement in maker a
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.18,0:02:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spaces. Welcome Em!
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Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.94,0:02:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: And last but not least we have Lena\NMohr, who is a UX designer from Stuttgart,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.41,0:02:33.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started an initiative called Ready to\NCode, teaching young girls to code.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.89,0:02:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome Lena.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.69,0:02:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.59,0:02:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: And as I said, my name is Geraldine\Nde Bastion. I run a community called the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.70,0:02:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Global Innovation Gathering, which is a\Nnetwork of different maker spaces, hacker
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.75,0:02:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spaces, different kind of innovation,\Nmakers and innovators across the world. So
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.89,0:02:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a quick housekeeping note for the session.\NThe format is that we're going to give
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.83,0:03:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,each of the teams here on stage the\Nopportunity to present their work to you
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.93,0:03:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in about seven to 10 minutes, and then\Nwe'll get to gather here to discuss the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.90,0:03:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,difference and the likenesses in\Napproaches and in perspectives,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.92,0:03:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experiences and ideas. And then we would\Nlike to invite you all to join this
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.38,0:03:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discussion and open the floor. So to kick\Nthings off I would invite you first to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.50,0:03:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share a little bit the story of FOSS Asia\Nand your work at the last 10 years, Hong.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.42,0:03:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: Thank you. I did not\Nexpect that I would go first, but that's
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.54,0:03:58.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,okay.\N{\i1}shuffling{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.85,0:04:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.49,0:04:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: Okay, so hello everyone!\NMy name is Hong Phuc Dang, or HP Dang if
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.31,0:04:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to look for me on the web. So\Ntoday I will talk about how I get involved
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.25,0:04:19.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in open source community in the first\Nplace, and also some highlights of my work
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.85,0:04:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at FOSS Asia during the past 10 years.\NBefore that a little bit about my
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.38,0:04:33.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,background. I was born and grew up in a\Nsmall town in South Vietnam. It is called
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.49,0:04:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can Tho, I don't know if any of you have\Nbeen there before, but it's about 200
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.07,0:04:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kilometers south of Hoh Chi Minh City.\NThis is my first 20 years of my life, so
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.40,0:04:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been always there, feel like a\Nconfusing little girl because I keep
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.31,0:05:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wondering what I really want to achieve in\Nmy life. My family, my parents were not
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.53,0:05:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so... were poor at that time. In 1987,\Nmost of the families there were poor due
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.59,0:05:11.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the war. We just finished the war and\Nthen the reform of Vietnam. My parents
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.91,0:05:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been working very hard so that me and my\Nsister could have a better future. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.19,0:05:20.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only motivation that I have in my life\Nuntil I was 20: to get a very good job
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.99,0:05:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somewhere after graduation, so that I can\Nearn some money, take care of my parents,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.62,0:05:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be able to afford something that I\Ncould never have when I was a kid. So this
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.76,0:05:37.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what I was thinking when I got to 20\Nyears old. I went to school, I studied
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.59,0:05:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,super super hard but I never had really\Ninterested in school and I also don't
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.87,0:05:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand so much what I learn and get\Nout of school. I just know that if I study
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.26,0:05:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hard I would have a good future. In 2007 I\Nmet Mario Behling who later on became my
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.36,0:06:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mentor and also a partner later on. Not on\NTinder, but at a free event, a free
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.15,0:06:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology event in Hanoi. In 2007 it was\Nthe first time I learned about free
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.48,0:06:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software. In the same year, I switched\Nfrom Windows XP to Ubuntu and started to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.11,0:06:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use open source. And then so I started to\Ninvolve with different user groups in the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.17,0:06:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,region, and also contribute small bits,\Nlike localization into some software
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.23,0:06:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project. At the same time I also learned\Nhow to submit a bug report, make an issue
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.83,0:06:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to different projects. And by involving in\Nthe open source community I got to meet so
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.48,0:06:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many interesting people that inspire me.\NSo I always have very cool conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.75,0:06:45.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with people who've been involved in one\Nproject for over 15, 20 years. That really
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.81,0:06:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inspired me, how people can be so\Npersistent and continuously work on
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.40,0:06:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something for so long. And when they talk\Nabout their job, is so positive and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.29,0:06:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energetic. Even though it keeps repeating,\Nbut they're very patient and when I joined
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.94,0:07:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the community it's so good that people\Nalways like very patient and took their
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.42,0:07:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time to explain to you when you don't\Nunderstand something. So two years later
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.82,0:07:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in 2009, Mario and I decided to found the\NFOSS Asia organization. So FOSS Asia, the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.18,0:07:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goal of FOSS Asia is to bring together an\Ninspired community across Asia, a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.98,0:07:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different communities to view a better\Nfuture with open technologies. Since then
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.21,0:07:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have developed so many different\Nprojects with the FOSS Asia communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.73,0:07:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are some of the software and also\Nhardware projects that we've been working
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.71,0:07:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on. SUSI.AI is an alternative to Alexa or\NGoogle Home, and Pocket Science Lab is our
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.37,0:07:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,newly released open hardware project. You\Ncan find all the projects on Github of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.43,0:07:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FOSS Asia actually. Eventyay is an event\Nsolution that's similar to what you have
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.40,0:07:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here, the{\i1}[unclear]{\i0}[???], just scheduling\Nand also ticket selling open source did
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.17,0:08:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,entirely by the FOSS Asia community. We\Nalso organize a lot of events, conferences
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.77,0:08:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and meet-ups throughout our regions. One\Nof our biggest events is the FOSS Asia
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.02,0:08:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Summit, happens every year in March in\NSingapore. Throughout the year we also
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.85,0:08:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have smaller workshops and events in\NChina, in India, Vietnam, Indonesia,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.90,0:08:27.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Malaysia and many other places. Some of\Nthe highlights of my last 10 years. In
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.83,0:08:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2010 it was my first time into Europe. It\Nwas so difficult to get a visa to come
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.27,0:08:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here. I know, for many of you, but it was\Na big thing for me to enter Europe for the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.16,0:08:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first time. I got invited to the Libre\NGraphics meeting. This is the photo taken
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.86,0:08:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was giving a talk. You can see it,\NI was super nervous at that time. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.93,0:08:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next picture, after the talk I went to\Ndinner with a group of friends, the people
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.04,0:08:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Libre Graphics communities. I was\Nthe only girl but I did not realize that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.36,0:08:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until somebody comment on my Facebook, why\Nyou was the only girl in the picture. But
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.19,0:09:06.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was really cool and very welcoming in\Nthe community. 2012 we built a hotel in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.95,0:09:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our hometown Can Tho, and we labelled it\Nthe Open Source hotel. You can look up,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.03,0:09:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hotel Xoai is the name of the place. So\Nbasically it's built by the Open Source
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.88,0:09:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community member. So we set up the\Nwireless network with OpenWRT. I did
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.06,0:09:31.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the entire wiring for the telephone\Nmyself. I did it for three weeks but I was
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.11,0:09:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very proud of it and we have the\Ndeclaration inside the hotel is donated to
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.87,0:09:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,us by the Libre Graphics community, so by\Nsome artists in that community. And in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.17,0:09:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this space we hosted a lot of workshops\Nand we hosted many open source
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.96,0:09:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contributors in our place. So we have dDebian\Ndevelopers, we have GIMP contributers, we
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.94,0:09:56.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have people from all over the world to\Ncome and stay with us in this space here
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.61,0:10:03.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Vietnam. In the same year I also hosted\Nthe group of artists and designers that I
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.22,0:10:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,met in Brussels in 2010 in Hoh Chi Minh\NCity. So we did an open source design week
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.44,0:10:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Saigon, and surprisingly more than 40%\Nof the participants are female. So what we
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.30,0:10:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did in this design week, we showed people\Nhow to make artwork with free tools, with
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.32,0:10:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free software, and at the end we also made\Nan exhibition, what kind of work that you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.28,0:10:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can do with free software. And 2014 it was\Nmy first time attending the CCC, and this
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.55,0:10:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the first person that I met in the\Nspeaker room, who spend several minutes of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.33,0:10:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his valuable time to explain to me what is\Nthe difference between free software and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.49,0:10:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,open source.
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Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.19,0:10:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: But I was very happy I was\Nalso a speaker at that time, so we got a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.44,0:11:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,photo together. 2016 we launch Code Heat\NProgram, which is an online coding
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.35,0:11:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,programme done by the FOSS Asia community.\NSo the goal of this program is to help
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.35,0:11:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,young developers and contributors to start\Nto work in open source software and how to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.27,0:11:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,become an active contributor to open\Nsource. So we have our FOSS Asia members
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.80,0:11:21.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to guide them, so everything happenes on\NGitHub, we have GitHub channels where
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.23,0:11:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people can post questions. And at the end\Nthe winners will win a trip to the FOSS
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.53,0:11:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Asia Summit and present about their\Nworking experience during the programme.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.52,0:11:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2018. So we released our Pocket Science\NLab to the market. So the project been
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.80,0:11:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going on for the past two years and we\Nwill finally produce them in China and now
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.24,0:11:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started to distribute them all over the\Nworld. So we have a shop in Japan which
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.47,0:11:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has sold out in two days. We also\Ndistributed in India, in Singapore, in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.48,0:12:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Europe and it's been piloting in school in\NSingapore, in India and also in Vietnam.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.26,0:12:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically it's a small device that\Nhelps you to make science experiments.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.57,0:12:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an oscilloscope with logic analyzer and\Nmany different functions. We have a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.90,0:12:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,workshop here as well at the CCC if you\Nwant to find out more. Okay some of my
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.70,0:12:26.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approach and lesson learned for the\Nquestion about what strategy that you do
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.77,0:12:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to engage many people in the community and\Nhow to rear the communitiy. So what I
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.29,0:12:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,learned from the past 10 years: The first\Nthing is to be sincere with whoever you
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.36,0:12:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meet. That how my reaction in the\Ncommunity to be sincere with people, and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.60,0:12:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,empower the people in the community. Just\Nlike when I first joined the community,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.28,0:12:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more responsibility to give to people,\Nthey feel empower and they, it's also
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.27,0:12:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better to scale up the community.\NMotivation; in order to work with people
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.16,0:13:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to find the right approach you need to\Nunderstand the motivation behind
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.94,0:13:08.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,individuals and it's really important to\Nrear the community. And my philosophy is
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.79,0:13:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it always better by sharing. So we share\Nour knowledge, that what's the reason we
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.51,0:13:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are here – we share our resources and we\Nbring people together. Finally, in the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.02,0:13:23.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FOSS Asia community, I made friends. Their\Nfriendship is important over the years and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.90,0:13:27.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that the people I've been working\Nwith or engaged with will be friends for
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.57,0:13:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life – so that is a good thing about the\Nfree software community. And next year
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.08,0:13:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2009 will be our 10-year milestone of the\NFOSS Asia organization. We have a big
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.07,0:13:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,celebration in Singapore between March 14\Nand 17. If you happen to be there or you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.93,0:13:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plan a trip to Asia you are very welcome\Nto join us. The website 2019.fossasia.org.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.25,0:13:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here at the CCC we have a group of\NFOSS Asia member flew in from Singapore,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.24,0:14:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from France, from Spain and also in\NGermany. We have a laser cutter here,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.64,0:14:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,built by a FOSS Asia member in Singapore,\Nopen source laser cutter. The small
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.65,0:14:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,picture here is [???] carrying it and is\Nat our FOSS Asia assembly if you want to
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.22,0:14:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,check it out. If you want to get in touch\Nwith us, or you want to look for me at the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.72,0:14:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end of the talk, you can search on the\Nnavigation app for FOSS Asia and our
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.64,0:14:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number is a 8575. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.44,0:14:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.33,0:14:40.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you very much Hong for that\Nintroduction into FOSS Asia and your work.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.31,0:14:44.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Azam, Sarah, would\Nyou like to go next to present Le RESET?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.15,0:14:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (left): Okay so we both\Ncome from France. We are part of Le RESET,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.13,0:15:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a feminist and queer hacker space\Nand we're going to explain a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.16,0:15:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we are doing, why we're doing it and\Nhow. So our hacker space welcomes actively
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.09,0:15:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who usually do not feel safe or\Nincluded in many other hacker spaces. So
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.44,0:15:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mostly queer persons and women, because\Nmost of straight men feel really entitled
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.43,0:15:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to learn and share what they learn and\Nteach everything. And on the other side
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.93,0:15:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have queer persons and women who have\Nmajor imposter syndrome when it comes to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.12,0:15:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology. We observe these things and\Nalso that the solutions to fix all issues
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.77,0:16:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are also designed by straight men so they\Nare not adequate with our issues and that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.27,0:16:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have a big lack of transmission in our\Ncommunities. So as we were to the geeky
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.66,0:16:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ones around queers and queer ones around\Ngeeks we did Le RESET to have a space that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.57,0:16:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the intersection of queer and geek\Npeople. So it takes place in a queer bar
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.70,0:16:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Paris every Sunday. And I'm really\Nscared, I'm sorry. We started in 2016 and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.45,0:16:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we speak directly to women and queers so\Nthat they feel welcome and included and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.97,0:16:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would come to our space. We built a code\Nof conduct that we may discuss further,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.42,0:17:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we embody so we endorse it and not\Njust write it somewhere. So our basis are
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.02,0:17:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feminist ethics based on the "Ethics of\NCare" by Joan Tronto. We do workshops for
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.20,0:17:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beginners every session and we really\Ninsist on the things for beginners. The
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.15,0:17:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,workshops are mainly hosted by queer or\Nwomen and we do not treat differently
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.17,0:17:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infosec, coding, gaming, crafts, care\Npractice and all the things we do not make
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.99,0:17:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a hierarchy. We analyzed the board\Ndynamics with material feminism and
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.28,0:17:50.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of our projects are cyber feminists.\NLe Reset speaker (right): So I'm going to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.37,0:17:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk a little more about some projects\Nthat we have at Le Reset, what is it, so I
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.87,0:18:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took three different examples. The best\Nexample is the crypto bar. So it's
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.29,0:18:07.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically a one on one crypto party with\Njust one person as they were launched by
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.39,0:18:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Asher Wolf and those security talks, they\Nare menu oriented toward cyber harassment
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.38,0:18:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because women and queer people usually ask\Nus about security issues when they have
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.89,0:18:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trouble with cyber harassment. And so we\Nhave identified it to be the main threat
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.02,0:18:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,model for us, and not like the NSA or\Nsomething else. Another example of a
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.13,0:18:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project that we have is "everything about\Nhealth reappropriation". So as women and
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.42,0:18:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,queers our health is often in the hands of\Ndoctors that don't explain stuff to us or
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.01,0:18:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that don't do what we want them to do with\Nour health because they have norms that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.02,0:18:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're supposed to follow. And so we work\Naround. We work with transgender people
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.52,0:19:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around hormones and also with trans people\Nand women around gynecology. And so we
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.64,0:19:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a partnership with women doing self\Ngynecology workshops. So we create zines
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.29,0:19:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we share knowledge and practices about\Nthose and we also have a lab project that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.50,0:19:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is inspired by the je ne peine club from\NCalafou and also by
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.33,0:19:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Open Source estrogen project by Mary\NMaggic that was presented in the CCC last
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.69,0:19:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year [https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9036-ope\Nn_source_estrogen]. And so the goal of
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.03,0:19:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this lab project is to take and analyze\Nour own cervical smear so that we can do
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.12,0:19:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an our own analysis with it. And the third\Nproject I wanted to talk about was "the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.39,0:19:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,queer games". So the queer games is an\Nartistic and political movement that was
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.13,0:19:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,initiated by an Entrepeneur Mattie\NBrice. So the idea is that they're using
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.51,0:19:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,game design as a tool to criticize\Noppression systems. And so we're doing
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.89,0:19:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,monthly queer games workshops in order to\Nempower queer people. We empower them
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.16,0:19:59.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through rendering our own narratives\Nvisible through video games and also by
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.69,0:20:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,learning skills to make our own video\Ngames, even though most people who come
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.75,0:20:12.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't have any idea of how to code, so we\Nalso learn coding through it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.19,0:20:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you very much\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.35,0:20:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you for that introduction into\Nyour work. I think a lot of points raised
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.52,0:20:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're gonna debate also in a minute.\NEm, can I ask you to go next.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.29,0:20:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Em O'Sullivan: I didn't have any slides\Nbut I do have some notes and my story is
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.85,0:20:45.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe a bit different to my other\Npanelists because I don't come from a
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.23,0:20:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically feminist organization. I live\Nin Brighton in the UK and our hackerspace
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.92,0:20:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is called Build Brighton. It started in\N2009 so it was a fairly early hackerspace
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.31,0:21:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the UK. It grew out of an existing\Nmeetup that was focused on robotics and
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.37,0:21:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the people involved in that group\Ndecided to set up their own hackerspace.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.62,0:21:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it began fairly organically. It was\Ninspired largely by the early U.S. hacker
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.63,0:21:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spaces in particular Mitch Altman visited\Nthe robotics meetup when he was in
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.61,0:21:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brighton and basically said, "hey you look\Nlike the kind of group who should start a
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.42,0:21:28.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hackerspace" and that kind of triggered\Nthe idea to go and set one up. So, it
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.45,0:21:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,followed the same kind of ad hoc kind of\Ndemocracy structure. It had some informal
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.75,0:21:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leaders but things were kind of largely\Ndecided by group consensus. For example
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.17,0:21:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we first moved into our own dedicated\Nspace, we spent the first couple of years
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.39,0:21:50.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meeting once a week in a coworking space\Nand then in 2011 had an opportunity to get
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.03,0:21:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our own workshop and the decision about\Nwhether to do that was put to the entire
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.87,0:21:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,membership around whether we wanted to\Ntake on that responsibility, those extra
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.63,0:22:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,costs and that decision was passed by\Nconsensus and that's kind of how things
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.84,0:22:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have typically been done. In terms of\Nactivities there's a lot of electronics
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.25,0:22:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,projects typically, especially with it\Ngoing out to robotics group. The laser
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.28,0:22:15.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cutter has always been really popular and\Nwas one of the first tools that was bought
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.38,0:22:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the group. And we've recently had lots\Nof wood work workers coming in because we
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.45,0:22:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do have a fairly well-developed wood\Nworking shop. In terms of gender diversity
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.77,0:22:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also a fairly typical hackerspace.\NThere's currently 115 members of which
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.50,0:22:36.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around 10 to 15 percent are women or femme\Npresenting people and the aim of that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.67,0:22:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statistic isn't to point out like how low\Nthis representation is in this particular
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.89,0:22:47.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space. It's to highlight that this is a\Ntypical number for a hackerspace. For me
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.69,0:22:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personally, a bit like Hong Phuc said, I'm\Nused to being in masculine spaces like I
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.06,0:22:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trained in media production originally\Nwhich is very male dominated. Then when I
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.94,0:23:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,went to work in IT it was normal for me to\Nbe at events that were mainly men and I
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.97,0:23:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suppose I just got used to this and it\Nbecame invisible to me. At the time I was
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.68,0:23:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working for a software development company\Nin Brighton and the company had two
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.72,0:23:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,offices one for the technical team and one\Nfor the rest of the staff. So like admin
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.75,0:23:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,team, production team, HR, finance and so\Non. My desk was in the tech room and I
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.77,0:23:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looked up one day and realized that I was\Nthe only femme presenting person in a room
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.52,0:23:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of 20 men. It took that to kind of dropped\Nme back into realizing how weird the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.47,0:23:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation was and I also realized that\N"Build Brighton", my hackspace, was a
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.82,0:23:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar environments as well. And I became\Nreally interested in why this was
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.62,0:23:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening, because hacker spaces they are\Ntheoretically open environments, like our
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.71,0:23:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space anyone can join. Membership is on a\Npay what you can basis from five pounds a
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.30,0:24:03.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,month. So the financial cost to entry are\Nvery low. But we are still seeing the same
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.79,0:24:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issues as in other technology environments\Nand that's women and femme people were
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.86,0:24:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very underrepresented. I saw this as a\Nuseful opportunity to look at the cultural
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.43,0:24:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issues that continue to prevent women's\Nengagement in technology spaces even when
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.86,0:24:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of those structural and financial\Nbarriers have been removed. And the reason
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.46,0:24:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this was really important to me as a topic\Nwas because like for me personally joining
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.83,0:24:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my hackerspace was an extremely empowering\Nexperience. I didn't have much experience
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.96,0:24:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before with DIY, with hardware, with\Nworking with materials, and joining that
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.70,0:24:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community and having access to those tools\Nand that knowledge had a huge impact on
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.00,0:24:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how I see the world around me, on my\Nconfidence to fix and adapt things when I
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.14,0:24:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to and I really want more people to\Nhave access to that empowerment.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.16,0:25:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially people who don't necessarily\Nhave existing experience with technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.08,0:25:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in 2016 I began my PhD looking at how\Nsome hacker spaces and maker spaces have
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.77,0:25:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been more successful than others in\Nengaging women and femme people. I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.88,0:25:15.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,currently still in the data collection\Nphase of my research, but I visited
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.95,0:25:20.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,various hacker spaces and maker spaces\Naround Europe and the US, spoken to lots
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.36,0:25:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people from these spaces and seen a\Nwide range of approaches to dealing with
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.72,0:25:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gender diversity, ranging from acute\Nhostility towards any suggestion of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.36,0:25:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically trying to engage women, right\Nthrough to spaces that have made this a
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.35,0:25:42.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,core part of that group culture. So I hope\Nthat range of perspectives can come in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.71,0:25:48.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,useful to discussion today. And I'm also\Ncurrently putting together a zine with
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.19,0:25:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contributions from hacker spaces and maker\Nspaces that have developed inclusive
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.54,0:25:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,practices, not necessarily focused on\Ngender but also on engaging other
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.21,0:26:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,underrepresented groups like people of\Ncolor, people with disabilities, people
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.15,0:26:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with lower socio economic statuses because\NI think it's really important that those
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.35,0:26:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,practices are publicized as widely as\Npossible so that other spaces can learn
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.51,0:26:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from them. So if any of you have any\Nsuggestions about spaces that should be
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.40,0:26:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,included in that zine please do email me.\NMy contact details are on the Fahrplan and
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.45,0:26:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would love to hear about any spaces that\Nyou could recommend.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.89,0:26:42.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you! And last but not least Lena.\NLena Mohr: I'm Lena, I'm one of the three
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.55,0:26:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,founders of "ready to code". We are an\Norganization based based in Stuttgart in
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.39,0:26:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the south of Germany. Our story started...\Nso know first what we do is we inspire
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.50,0:27:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,women and girls to learn how to code and\Nto work in tech and support each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.22,0:27:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are two main reasons why we do what\Nwe do. I think the first one is quite
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.82,0:27:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obvious that there are not enough women\Nwho work in tech, and the second one is
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.34,0:27:17.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more personal because I am a user\Nexperience designer, and part of my
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.01,0:27:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,studies was learning how to code and I\Nfound it extremely difficult because I had
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.44,0:27:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these biases and pictures in my head\Nand I just knew that I was going to fail
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.44,0:27:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at coding before I ever wrote my first\Nline of code. I was not alone with this. I
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.27,0:27:42.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw this and a lot of my friends and a lot\Nof the girls who studied with me. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.13,0:27:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good news is that we had to pass the exam\Nso we sort of had to learn it. and I also
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.15,0:27:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had really great and really patient\Nfriends who not only taught me to code and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.03,0:27:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taught me the facts but also convinced me\Nthat I was able to do that. And the moment
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.81,0:28:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you clicked like you said that was a\Nreally empowering moment, because I felt
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.63,0:28:10.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the not only the knowledge opened a\Nwhole new world of opportunities, but also
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.54,0:28:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the self-confidence that I gained through\Nthat. And that is what we also want to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.31,0:28:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share with other women and girls. So what\Nwe do is we run workshops for women and
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.13,0:28:30.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for girls and like Le Reset we make sure\Nthat they are for a beginner so everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.71,0:28:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can participate, and I think we're\Nprobably going to talk about that as well
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.61,0:28:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit further. And we also have a\Nnetworking event that's called cocktails
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.30,0:28:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and code where women in tech can meet and\Nconnect and share their experiences and we
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.55,0:28:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organize lightning talks from female\Nspeakers so yeah people who are new to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.54,0:28:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tech can come and it's fairly low level\Nand everyone can participate. And we also
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.83,0:29:03.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organize different events. For example a\Ncouple of weeks ago we organized a social
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.91,0:29:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hackathon on and I think what we do a\Nlittle bit different is that one of our
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.18,0:29:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,founders is a guy, a straight cis guy. So\Na lot of the volunteers that are working
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.29,0:29:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for us are also male and we had a lot of\Ngood experiences with this because we
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.97,0:29:30.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think it's important to include everyone.\NBut we talked a little bit before and I
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.01,0:29:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think we're going to have a discussion\Nabout that afterwards as well, that a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.35,0:29:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of women who come to us are also looking\Nfor females only space, so they really
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.01,0:29:46.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appreciate a safer space where they can\Njust be around other women.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.29,0:29:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you very much, Lena. So as\Nyou've heard we have very different work
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.35,0:30:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rounds that say very different rooms of\Nexperiences. And we'd like to just jump
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.92,0:30:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right into discussion. We're going to take\Nabout 15, 20 minutes to discuss a little
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.63,0:30:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit amongst ourselves before opening and\Nincluding all of you in the debate. So
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.71,0:30:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's pick up straight the point that you\Nclosed with and I'd like you to join in
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.49,0:30:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think I'll direct the question at\Nyou first. Sometimes we have to, or it
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.38,0:30:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seems that way, we'd have to be exclusive\Nin order to increase inclusion or
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.72,0:30:33.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fairness. And if I understood you\Ncorrectly you've created a space that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.67,0:30:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't necessarily exclude anybody but it\Ndoesn't put straight men in the focus. Can
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.77,0:30:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you explain a little bit exactly how you\Ntry to shape that community that you're
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.48,0:30:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working with and where you're where you\Ndrew the line of inclusion and exclusion
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.48,0:30:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your approach.\NLe Reset speaker (right): So we have a
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.21,0:30:59.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,code of conduct. Everybody is welcome to\Ncome into hackerspace as long as they
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.58,0:31:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apply to the code of conduct. So we are\Nopen to everyone but everything that we
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.03,0:31:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organize is directed to queer people and\Nwomen. So our communication is oriented
Dialogue: 0,0:31:12.05,0:31:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards them. The workshops organized also\Nby queer people and women. So basically we
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.58,0:31:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just don't care about straight men.\NGdb: But they can come.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.87,0:31:31.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (right): They can come.\N(laughter and applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.86,0:31:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gdb: Lena you said one of your founders is
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.97,0:31:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a straight man, so that's something that\Nyou do that you do differently.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.24,0:31:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lena: We just started a year ago so we are\Nalso still trying our different
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.50,0:31:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approaches. And I like what you said that,\NI think you mentioned that they are
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.27,0:31:57.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,invited if they want to come but you're\Nnot marketing for them. You saw our logo.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.25,0:32:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the first workshop that we ran for\Nkids we said it's only for girls. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.72,0:32:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,second one we said we have reserving a\Nnumber of seats for girls because we want
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.62,0:32:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to increase diversity and no boy signed\Nup. So from now on we're not even putting
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.38,0:32:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's only for girls on our flyers but\Nbecause it looks so girly no boys
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.71,0:32:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in joining us apparently and I\Nthink that's interesting because usually
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.82,0:32:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it works the other way around so probably\Nsubconsciously or unconsciously it's
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.40,0:32:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,posters or websites look like they're made\Nfor boys or for guys and women don't feel
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.21,0:32:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attrackted to it. And we do it the other\Nway around and it works quite well. But
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.02,0:32:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah. But we also have men that are asking\Nus like "Oh we we also like cocktails and
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.61,0:32:53.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,code, Why can't we join?" And it's like\Nyeah of course you can. You're welcome. We
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.100,0:32:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't have any negative experience with\Nit so far.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.74,0:33:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB [to Em O'Sullivan]: you're going to be\Nour academic sounding board at this panel.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.49,0:33:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the research that you've conducted, do\Nyou see certain kinds of trends emerging
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.83,0:33:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or sort of maybe perhaps as a strength of\Ncertain strategies of those hacker spaces
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.37,0:33:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or communities or programs that try to\Nspecifically target not straight men but
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.23,0:33:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other communities. On the question of "how\Nexclusive do you have to be, to be
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.40,0:33:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inclusive".\NEm O'Sullivan: So, I've been to spaces
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.38,0:33:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are women only or women and non\Nbinary people only, and they're really
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.14,0:33:39.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important for getting over the question of\N"is it just that women aren't interested"
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.89,0:33:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is something that I've encountered\Nin a few spaces. It's like well you know
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.51,0:33:46.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're not excluding women they just don't\Nseem to be interested. They're not coming
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.67,0:33:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here. And then when you provide a women\Nonly space and women go there, then you
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.27,0:33:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can point to that and go: Well okay that's\Njust not true. That must be something
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.39,0:33:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about these other spaces that isn't\Nincluding them. But then the next step is
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.94,0:34:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do you get that inclusion to work in\Nan all gender space. Because, we live in
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.00,0:34:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an all gender world. And how do you it\Ntake out of those safe spaces and take it
Dialogue: 0,0:34:07.77,0:34:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into other environments and that there\Ndoes need to be a specific aim to be
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.90,0:34:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inclusive. It's interesting that you say\Nit's like, we don't exclude men. We just
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.22,0:34:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of don't focus stuff on them. And\Nthat seems to be the approach of maker
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.96,0:34:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spaces, and hacker spaces in general.\NExcept there's no recognition of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.73,0:34:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's that, well, we don't exclude\Nwomen. You know, they're just not here.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.55,0:34:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, they could come here and there's not\Nthe recognition that all of their
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.28,0:34:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presentation, like all of the their\Nculture, from the outside looks like it's
Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.33,0:34:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,geared towards men. And so of course\Nthat's the kind of people that they
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.66,0:34:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attract. But yeah, they haven't made that\Ndecision, it's just what they're doing and
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.52,0:34:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's no recognition of it. So yeah, to\Nchange that there does have to be a
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.52,0:34:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recognition that if you want to attract\Npeople from different groups then you do
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.09,0:35:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to reach out and specifically engage\Nthem. it's not going to just happen by
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.80,0:35:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,itself.\NGdB: Thank you. Hong, how has it been for
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.28,0:35:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you in the last 10 years of managing FOSS\NAsia? Because, there's another level that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.92,0:35:17.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes in. You do this across different\Ncultures and across different countries
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.87,0:35:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within Southeast Asia. How do you find\Nthat it's developed over the last 10
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.83,0:35:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years, and how much do you have to put an\Nemphasis on trying to bring in not just
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.68,0:35:33.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,women, but perhaps also people from\Ndifferent backgrounds into your community.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.49,0:35:39.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: So, if you look at\NSoutheast Asia, and I look at and FOSS
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.41,0:35:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Asian community we find diverse and\Ninclusive. It would take forever to talk
Dialogue: 0,0:35:44.96,0:35:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about of different cultures from\NSingapore, Malaysia. It's also related to
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.96,0:35:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the religions and the culture of each\Ncountry. But, could I ask the Le RESET
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.66,0:36:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hackerspace a question? I was curious. I\Nkind of have the same opinion with Em. I
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.44,0:36:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was curious, was there any experience in\Nthe past that motivated you to create a
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.47,0:36:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,base that or focus more on women instead\Nof men. Is there any bad experience, an
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.74,0:36:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incident that occurred to you?\NLe Reset speaker: Yes, of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.16,0:36:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: Could you share a little\Nbit about it? Because, I always say I,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.54,0:36:28.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fought it passive, you know that maybe I\Nwas lucky, because in our community I
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.23,0:36:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,haven't experienced that much of a kind of\Nincident that make me feel that I need a
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.33,0:36:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space for myself. Because when I joined\Nthe open source community, I feel that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.28,0:36:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone's very welcome, and also people\Ndon't look at you as who you are. People
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.67,0:36:47.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always look at your work and your\Ncontribution to the community. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.98,0:36:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes you're in a conversation and you\Ndon't even realize that you are with a
Dialogue: 0,0:36:51.14,0:36:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bunch of other people from Europe or men.\NYou focus on the topic, and the work that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.94,0:37:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do. So I'm curious to learn about the\Nincident that you had before.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.38,0:37:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (left): I have a few\Nexamples if you want, but I think it's not
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.27,0:37:12.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what you can do or not, that it's\Nabout coming in the space and you feeling
Dialogue: 0,0:37:12.09,0:37:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can come here and stay and be\Nwell welcomed. So, as a woman actually...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.88,0:37:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry I'm a little sick. The people\Nwere asking if I came with my boyfriend,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.57,0:37:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where he was. So, they were wondering what\NI was doing here, because I was a woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:37.32,0:37:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, sorry, I don't have any boyfriend,\Nwill never have one, but many girlfriends.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.50,0:37:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, no. And also, I was waiting to do lock\Npicking and waiting in the line to do
Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.56,0:37:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. When I came to the tools the guy\Nsaid: Oh sorry, you have to leave the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.82,0:38:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place for the guy, because I was just here\Nto look not to try. Many things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.72,0:38:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: Did that lock picking\Nhappen here at a congress?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.40,0:38:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (left): Yeah, I know.\NHong Phuc Dang: Okay, so now we know what
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.32,0:38:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prevent women from joining the tech\Ncommunity. So maybe it wasn't intentional?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.16,0:38:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB (to Hong Phuc Dang): So you, I mean I\Nthink it's really interesting what you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.20,0:38:21.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said, when in your community and\Nexperience you have you see the code and
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.06,0:38:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not the gender. I think a lot of people\Nhere in the room. I'm guessing it came to
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.77,0:38:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the session but also on the panel have had\Nreally different experiences, but of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.81,0:38:33.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course this is really positive here. Maybe\Neven a little bit surprising to hear,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.62,0:38:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because perhaps that would have been maybe\Na stereotypical perception that in some
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.48,0:38:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other societies which are part of\NSouth/Southeast Asia the very traditional
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.56,0:38:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's maybe not so typical for women to\Nbe or people of different backgrounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.20,0:38:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe, like I said not just women but also\Npeople of different educational
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.89,0:38:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,backgrounds of different cultural\Nbackgrounds to be part of this community.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.96,0:39:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But of course it's very nice to hear that\Nyou've had a very different experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.59,0:39:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's I think a keyword that we've heard\Nfrom many of you and you also mentioned
Dialogue: 0,0:39:06.48,0:39:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your core values is empowerment and\Ncreating empowerment empowering
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.50,0:39:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experiences for others. You've already\Nsaid a little bit about how you try to do
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.14,0:39:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that and giving people space to create\Ntheir own narratives. Do you want to share
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.20,0:39:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit more, what have been like\Nsuccesses for you were you noticed this
Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.00,0:39:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been working for your commu nity.\NLena Mohr: Maybe I could start?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.79,0:39:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker(right): Go on.\NLena Mohr: I think one of the women who
Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.44,0:39:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came to our meetup afterwards. She came to\Nus and she was really happy and she said
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.12,0:39:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like: "Ok, I have a place where I can be\Namong my geek friends and talk about geeky
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.01,0:39:52.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff and I have my feminist friends to\Nwhom I can come and talk about feminist
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.93,0:39:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff and but I never had both." So I have\Nfriends and I think it's also important
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.19,0:40:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you mentioned that it wasn't it\Nprobably wasn't intentional, when someone
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.45,0:40:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asks you like: "Hey where's your\Nboyfriend?". Maybe it was trying to start
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.95,0:40:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a conversation, but that doesn't make it\Nany better.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.94,0:40:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (left): I'm not sure,\Nbut...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.38,0:40:13.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lena Mohr: Ok, that's even...\NGdB: Yeah, I mean I can also say like I
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.59,0:40:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have the same experience regularly and\Nit's an... Even in spaces where I've been
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.94,0:40:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,member for years and that I really love\Ndearly and I think you know you sort of at
Dialogue: 0,0:40:25.50,0:40:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,least me, past me I never try to take\Noffense, but of course it is offensive and
Dialogue: 0,0:40:32.02,0:40:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is something we had a quick chat\Nabout your level of tolerance for this.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.02,0:40:42.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The threshold of acceptance is for me at\Nleast becomes less and less and I think we
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.82,0:40:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a quick conversation and one of the\Nkeywords was patience. So, when you have
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.39,0:40:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tried to sort of, yeah, already create\Nspaces that are different for communities
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.87,0:40:57.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like all of ours that are different you\Nwant... You know, you expect more
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.46,0:41:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically. Expect people to be better at\Nthis game and things to change faster. So
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.87,0:41:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the sort of level of frustration\Nthat builds up when you find it is not
Dialogue: 0,0:41:05.42,0:41:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing as you know just as you said in\Nyour talk. It's shocking to hear that that
Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.53,0:41:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,level of apprehension of including women\Nand doing things to actually really
Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.07,0:41:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,support women coming in and making sure\Nall parts of society are equally
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.92,0:41:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,represented is still that strong. Do\Nyou... Have you looked into like the "why"
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.06,0:41:26.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit in your research.\NEm O'Sullivan: Like something that's
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.65,0:41:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really interesting is that, in the absence\Nof groups like people with disabilities is
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.83,0:41:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more readily seen as something that can be\Nhelped by changing the space by
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.68,0:41:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introducing kind of ramps, wheelchair\Naccess technologies and rearranging the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.73,0:41:52.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space, so that it's more accessible. But\Nthen when it comes to cultural aspects,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:52.65,0:41:56.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as including women, that seen as\Nsomething that's unchangeable. So spaces
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.75,0:42:01.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are often willing to change to be more\Ndiverse, but they have kind of a mental
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.46,0:42:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,block on being able to include people like\Nwomen or people of color, who they see as
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.28,0:42:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more kind of. There's no way that these\Ngroups can come and join us. They're just
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.70,0:42:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not interested and so like that's a very\Nunusual thing to see.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.16,0:42:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: So you mentioned earlier, that you\Nhave a code of conduct. And... and I think
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.46,0:42:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's, I'd love to hear like, how did you\Ndevelop this code of conduct for your
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.29,0:42:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community? And is this sort of a living\Nthing? Did you come up with this in the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.80,0:42:31.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beginning and it's been set like that or\Nis it something that you revise and how do
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.41,0:42:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you implement it?\NLe Reset speaker (left): Actually it's a
Dialogue: 0,0:42:35.30,0:42:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really simple code of conduct with 10\Nphrases and sentences and it says not to
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.52,0:42:48.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discriminate anybody and to respect\Nboundaries and things that are making us
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.100,0:42:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all live together well. That's the\Nimportant thing is that we endorse it
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.74,0:43:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really, so we put it on the walls. We talk\Nabout it and we observe the dynamics into
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.20,0:43:16.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hackerspace. What do people do. How do\Nthey feel we welcome them. We apply ethics
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.100,0:43:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of care that do the things I was talking\Nabout. We help people, but we do not do
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.73,0:43:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things on their behalf. We do not speak\Nfor the persons, but we are here to
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.81,0:43:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,support, if they need. That's how it\Nworks.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.68,0:43:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: So are there many cases, where you\Nfind, you need to mediate or have you had
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.57,0:43:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cases where you've had to exclude people\Nbased on your code of conduct?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:42.60,0:43:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (right): We haven't\Nexcluded many people, but we feel totally
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.94,0:43:54.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fine with having to exclude someone, we're\Nnot afraid of it. But usually we try to
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.19,0:44:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk to the person before we have to get\Nthem out and remind them of the code of
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.66,0:44:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conduct. Our code of conduct is something\Nthat we have to apply, but it's also full
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.82,0:44:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of keywords and so the idea is that every\Ntime we're saying that organizing a
Dialogue: 0,0:44:14.36,0:44:18.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,workshop or doing your conference we talk\Nabout it and we tell people to read it
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.05,0:44:22.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before they come. So that they also can\Ngoogle the words that they don't know, so
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.90,0:44:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they come into hackerspace and they\Nknow what it means to actually respect
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.38,0:44:35.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebodies pronouns or things like this.\NGdB: So. How would you all balance sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.42,0:44:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mission of what your space is about to\Ndo and what your communities are there to
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.54,0:44:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do in terms of creating safe space for the\Npeople that you have as part of your
Dialogue: 0,0:44:46.32,0:44:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community and educating the rest of the\Nworld.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.15,0:45:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: I can say something. So\Ncode of conduct is a good way to ensure
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.90,0:45:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that safe space for people. And in terms\Nof inclusiveness, so there, so I think
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.05,0:45:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in order to solve this problems at\Nfirst, is a good way that we bring people
Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.50,0:45:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together who can talk about the challenges\Nand incidents; that they had in the past
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.51,0:45:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that the people in the audience also\Naware that they might not intentionally
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.84,0:45:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,raise this question. But now people aware\Nof what could be offense do to another
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.82,0:45:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,members. But I think one of the bigger\Nchallenge is that the people in the
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.36,0:45:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community sometimes people are not aware\Nof the level the difference of background
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.06,0:45:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of different people in the community. For\Ninstance, I want to give one example. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.31,0:45:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you visit one of the hackersspace in\NSingapore. Normally when you come in even
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.76,0:45:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,though this is your first time entered a\Nhackerspace, nobody would come and talk to
Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.16,0:46:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you, try to introduce to you to the space,\Nwhat other equipment is, because they
Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.24,0:46:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assumed that you already have the\Nknowledge. If you enter this, there's got
Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.25,0:46:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be good you know everything. And\Nsometime I found a little bit intimidated
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.90,0:46:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I did not understand some joke that\Nmake by my male colleagues, because they
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.07,0:46:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have different kind of knowledge coming\Nfrom the west from Europe or America. So
Dialogue: 0,0:46:19.21,0:46:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very important that we are aware that\Npeople coming from different backgrounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.70,0:46:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So something that you think that is so\Nobvious to you that might not be obvious
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.92,0:46:31.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to people. And it might raise some kind of\Nconflict and misunderstanding. Something
Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.95,0:46:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we are all aware, that piece of\Nknowledge we have might not be relevant to
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.78,0:46:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another person and always be aware and be\Nmore flexible, then that could be less
Dialogue: 0,0:46:45.46,0:46:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complex in the community in my opinion.\NGdB: So again like I said
Dialogue: 0,0:46:50.58,0:46:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)\NGdB: you're free to applaud.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.43,0:47:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: How do you try to balance that?\NLe Reset speaker (right): We welcome
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.80,0:47:08.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody that comes into this space.\NWe're here every Sunday, so we usually
Dialogue: 0,0:47:08.43,0:47:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know who has come before and who hasn't.\NAnd every time we see a new person there
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.63,0:47:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is always someone who comes and explain\Nthe code of conduct, but also like: what
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.99,0:47:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this space, where you can find the\Nstickers, where is the workshop. So we
Dialogue: 0,0:47:23.20,0:47:26.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explain everything.\NGdB: I think that sounds really nice. I
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.91,0:47:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think from what you've explained there's a\Nlot of magic in that very personal
Dialogue: 0,0:47:30.62,0:47:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approach. You know, it's not that you're\Nlike take them into your space when they
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.12,0:47:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come in, but it's like this taking care of\Neach other and looking out for one
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.99,0:47:45.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another, which should be part of\Nrespectful human conduct. No matter what
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.13,0:47:51.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of human you are. Right. Maybe one\Nlast topic on the panel before we open up
Dialogue: 0,0:47:51.65,0:47:56.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit or maybe wanted to. I thought\Nit was really interesting to read on one
Dialogue: 0,0:47:56.39,0:48:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the little things on your slide. I\Nreally like the one that said, I was writing
Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.66,0:48:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,too fast now I can't read my own writing:\N"It is just privileged people's choice."?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:07.95,0:48:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in my experience very often we create\Nspaces like yours or like community, or
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.90,0:48:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating the mind of creating. Bringing in\Nnew people and giving people, who maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:48:24.34,0:48:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,haven't had sort of their typical tech\Ncareer, a chance to explore and see that
Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.87,0:48:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can be the creators of technology\Nthemselves. But we end up also creating
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.06,0:48:40.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of bubbles and usually attracting\Npeople with a certain background, usually
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.25,0:48:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating spaces with people. We live in\NEurope, we're like, you know, middle class
Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.01,0:48:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,white communities. And that's also,\Nperhaps, not the level of playing fields,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.12,0:48:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to creating inclusive\Ntechnology. Is that something that you
Dialogue: 0,0:48:54.57,0:48:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,address in your spaces? I'm not looking at\Nyou specifically because it's a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:48:58.53,0:49:03.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a different intercultural setting that\Nyou have with FOSS Asia. But how does
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.77,0:49:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that come into play, when we talk about\Ndiversity in your experiences?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:07.96,0:49:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (left): Actually we are\Nlocated in a queer bar. So the people that
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.34,0:49:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are used to come to this bar to party and\Ndate - they also come on Sundays, so we
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.72,0:49:31.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have people that would never enter a \Nhacker space, you know, in other times. So we
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.42,0:49:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have, actually, met many women, many trans\Npeople and queer people. One time we had
Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.92,0:49:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this girl, who never touched a computer.\NWe have people who have never played video
Dialogue: 0,0:49:47.62,0:49:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,games and so on. So we have really diverse\Npublic.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:54.87,0:49:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: I think that's also interesting as\Nthat was mentioned before the setting of
Dialogue: 0,0:49:57.55,0:50:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where your space actually is, which is a\Nreally important fact of how to make
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.50,0:50:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spaces accessible to different communities\Nas well. How's that for the space that you
Dialogue: 0,0:50:06.84,0:50:09.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have out there?\NEm: So this is such a tricky question and
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.65,0:50:14.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly with the volunteer one\Nspaces. You have a limited amount of time
Dialogue: 0,0:50:14.26,0:50:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and energy and do you spend that on\Neducating people, or do you spend it on
Dialogue: 0,0:50:19.66,0:50:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engaging with people, who can use your\Nresources. And I lean towards the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:26.24,0:50:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engagement. I feel that it's important to\Nkind of get people in and to share what we
Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.65,0:50:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already have with other groups. There are\Nresources out there, where people can
Dialogue: 0,0:50:36.84,0:50:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,educate themselves - like people in\Ntechnology communities, like very
Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.30,0:50:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intelligent people, like they are more\Nthan capable of kind of finding other
Dialogue: 0,0:50:45.35,0:50:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resources and educating themselves. And if\Nthe group has the capacity, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:52.95,0:50:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to run workshops around specific issues,\Naround consents, around kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:50:58.65,0:51:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introductions to feminism and other topics\N- then that's great. And that can be a
Dialogue: 0,0:51:03.24,0:51:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great way of educating our own community\Nand also taking those ideas into the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.01,0:51:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outside community. But I think if it\Nwas... if time was limited then I would
Dialogue: 0,0:51:16.25,0:51:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,definitely want to dedicate more to\Nengagement rather than educating people
Dialogue: 0,0:51:21.33,0:51:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are capable of educating themselves.\NLe Reset speaker (right): About that
Dialogue: 0,0:51:25.53,0:51:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,education. Our hackerspace has been\Ninvited to give feminism 101 talks
Dialogue: 0,0:51:29.93,0:51:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a lot. And so we answered yes to\Nthose invitation and then we did not do
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.83,0:51:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feminism 101, because we believe\Nthat there has been enough talks about
Dialogue: 0,0:51:40.94,0:51:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feminism 101 already and there is\Nplenty of things available on the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.36,0:51:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet. So we make usually talks about\Nethics of care or cyber feminism. And
Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.92,0:51:59.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every time we go somewhere we have a wiki\Npage about it with all the links about
Dialogue: 0,0:51:59.97,0:52:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four lines definition on Wikipedia or 40\Npages PDF that you can download, or
Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.73,0:52:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,podcasts, so all the feminism 101\Nand all the education has already been
Dialogue: 0,0:52:12.27,0:52:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,done. So we are making sure that it's\Naccessible and then we are moving on,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:17.44,0:52:21.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because as you said we don't have this\Nenergy to do again and again what other
Dialogue: 0,0:52:21.65,0:52:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have done before us.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:52:32.21,0:52:35.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lena: I think you've mentioned it already.\NAnd I think you're also working
Dialogue: 0,0:52:35.80,0:52:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,voluntarily or a lot of volunteers come\Nand so, do they have the time and energy?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:41.33,0:52:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As for me it's also sometimes... I'm just\Nnot in the mood to explain everything
Dialogue: 0,0:52:46.59,0:52:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again, like the really 101 stuff.\NBut other times, when I feel like someone
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.14,0:52:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really curious and really wants to\Nlearn something, and is respectful, and is
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.30,0:53:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not trying to provoke a discussion just to\Nhave a discussion - because then, yeah, I
Dialogue: 0,0:53:06.08,0:53:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't know... With some persons I feel\Nlike: okay, for him it might be a fun
Dialogue: 0,0:53:10.19,0:53:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discussion just to, I don't know, just to\Ntest the borders and see how far you can
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.92,0:53:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go. But for me it's like: okay I'm talking\Nif I have the right to be here as a woman
Dialogue: 0,0:53:19.31,0:53:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't always feel like I want to\Ndiscuss that.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.69,0:53:28.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Your patience level is going down as\Nwell. Hong Phuc, how is it for you, how do
Dialogue: 0,0:53:28.97,0:53:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you try to engage people in open source\Ncommunities that perhaps wouldn't normally
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.88,0:53:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,walk into a hackerspace? Or don't yet know\Nabout the work that you do.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:42.22,0:53:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: Yeah. So I found FOSS\NAsia. And then for me it was quite lucky,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:53.57,0:53:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the founder of the organization is\Na female. So it also help make other
Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.24,0:54:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people feel more comfortable to engage\Nwith the open source community. But I
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.25,0:54:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think as Em and Lena also said that the\Nnumber of women, who work in the tech
Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.36,0:54:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community, is very small. And I think it's\Nimportant to understand that when you talk
Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.39,0:54:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about technology - it's not only about\Ncoding, because there are so many
Dialogue: 0,0:54:26.63,0:54:33.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different responsibilities and a\Npossibility that you could engage the
Dialogue: 0,0:54:33.09,0:54:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,woman or other community members in the\Ncommunity. So it's important to have the
Dialogue: 0,0:54:39.34,0:54:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guide lines to help people, a lot of good\Ndocumentation. To show people that by
Dialogue: 0,0:54:44.11,0:54:49.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,joining the community the first step you\Ndid not have to fix a bug or write a line of
Dialogue: 0,0:54:49.62,0:54:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,code in order to join the community. You\Ncan do a translation, you can do design,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.47,0:54:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,localization - many things that any single\None of us can be involved in, can
Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.38,0:55:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contribute as our space. So I think that\Nis one step to lower the barriers to enter
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.24,0:55:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the community.\NGdB:Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:09.37,0:55:16.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NGdB: I'd like to start opening up the
Dialogue: 0,0:55:16.31,0:55:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions and comments. We have I think\Ntwo microphones here in the center of the
Dialogue: 0,0:55:20.96,0:55:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,room and... you're first.\NMic: Hello. First of all thank you girls
Dialogue: 0,0:55:29.57,0:55:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very much for this session. I kind of\Nrelate to that, we're so to say from the
Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.20,0:55:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same club. I came from Estonia and there\NI'm the organizer of the conference women
Dialogue: 0,0:55:42.68,0:55:50.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in cybersecurity and also head of Google\Nwomen tech makers in Estonia. And I can
Dialogue: 0,0:55:50.51,0:55:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rely to a lot of things, which you have\Nmentioned. But what I am really interested
Dialogue: 0,0:55:55.88,0:56:03.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you're from different countries\Nis... Ms Dong has answered this question
Dialogue: 0,0:56:03.07,0:56:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partially, but I'm interested in other\Nanswers. How do you actually attract more
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.23,0:56:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,women into IT? Not from the marketing\Nperspective, but from the perspective for
Dialogue: 0,0:56:14.04,0:56:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your mission of your hacker space or your\Ncommunity. And how do you make those
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.07,0:56:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people stay and come to the events or, if\Nnot come to the events, how do you make
Dialogue: 0,0:56:26.72,0:56:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them thinking of that and continue\Nstudying? Yeah. And the success story that
Dialogue: 0,0:56:33.15,0:56:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is something what we all would be really\Ninterested in hearing. Because, for
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.42,0:56:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, from Ms. Dong's story we can see\Nthe open source projects I guess still a
Dialogue: 0,0:56:43.36,0:56:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of girls might have been involved\Nthere; and the hotel and other projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:48.16,0:56:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what about the Europe? Tell us, that's\Nvery curious. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:52.29,0:56:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you very much. So we collect a\Ncouple and then go around or how would you
Dialogue: 0,0:56:57.33,0:57:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like to do it?\NMic: I can remind the questions if needed.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:01.83,0:57:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you attract, how do you keep people\Nand how do you... the success stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:08.24,0:57:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you. So let's do that. Do you\Nhave your community, is it very
Dialogue: 0,0:57:13.18,0:57:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fluctuating? Or do you have a kind of\Nstable group of people? Do you ever have a
Dialogue: 0,0:57:16.91,0:57:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem of connecting them back to your\Nspace?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.98,0:57:26.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: Just before we start from the answer\Nfor ladies - there is something else I
Dialogue: 0,0:57:26.78,0:57:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanted to mention. I also come not from\Na....
Dialogue: 0,0:57:28.96,0:57:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: There is a long queue behind you, and\Nwe've already collected a couple of
Dialogue: 0,0:57:33.06,0:57:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions, so maybe just one more\Nsentence.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:34.06,0:57:37.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: Of course. Yeah. Thank you... No,\Nthen go ahead for the answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:37.59,0:57:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Okay. Thank you. How long time is\Nyour community, how much does it
Dialogue: 0,0:57:43.54,0:57:47.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fluctuate, how do you sort of keep people?\NLe Reset speaker (right): We have people
Dialogue: 0,0:57:47.43,0:57:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that come like every Sunday and we have\Npeople, who come just for one workshop,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:52.82,0:57:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they've been interested in that\Ntopic. What we do to attract people is
Dialogue: 0,0:57:57.92,0:58:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that every Sunday we have a workshop, at\Nleast one workshops, so people are usually
Dialogue: 0,0:58:04.09,0:58:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in the topic or just interested\Nin meeting new people. But they always
Dialogue: 0,0:58:09.07,0:58:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know that they won't just stand there and\Nhave nobody to talk to. There is a
Dialogue: 0,0:58:13.80,0:58:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,workshop, like they have a purpose for\Nbeing here. And because the topics are
Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.75,0:58:25.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always oriented towards women and queer we\Ndon't have any issue attracting women and
Dialogue: 0,0:58:25.94,0:58:30.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,queers in the hackerspace. We've never had\Na majority of straight men in the
Dialogue: 0,0:58:30.64,0:58:36.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hackerspace that has never happened.\NGdB: Thank you. So Em, and your
Dialogue: 0,0:58:36.59,0:58:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience?\NEm: Well, I mean it's a huge question how
Dialogue: 0,0:58:40.03,0:58:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you attract women into IT and retain\Nshortthem. Just to keep my answer fairly sure:
Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.89,0:58:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one particular tip I have is to get a bit\Nacademic for a second, kind of focus on
Dialogue: 0,0:58:53.28,0:58:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developing like the social bonds within\Nyour community rather than necessarily the
Dialogue: 0,0:58:57.31,0:59:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tech aspects. Like when people have\Nfriends and people they care about in this
Dialogue: 0,0:59:02.57,0:59:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community - they're much more likely to\Njoin it and want to stay there and to get
Dialogue: 0,0:59:07.96,0:59:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more out of it. So sometimes focusing on\Nthings that seem quite tangential like
Dialogue: 0,0:59:14.52,0:59:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,socializing and people spending time\Ntogether, like outside of the physical
Dialogue: 0,0:59:18.98,0:59:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space and kind of doing like fun non tech\Nthings together, like can actually do that
Dialogue: 0,0:59:24.38,0:59:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,job of bringing more women than and femme\Npeople in and helping them to feel
Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.37,0:59:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comfortable and welcome there.\NGdB: I think there's a challenge maybe the
Dialogue: 0,0:59:31.92,0:59:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other way around too. In my experience\Nit's for many people spaces, like the ones
Dialogue: 0,0:59:37.76,0:59:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you create, become a home and so sort\Nof keeping people, having people want to
Dialogue: 0,0:59:43.44,0:59:48.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be part of that home is not so hard. But\Nmaking sure that you remain open for new
Dialogue: 0,0:59:48.59,0:59:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people to sort of join that family and\Nfeel as equally welcome can sometimes be
Dialogue: 0,0:59:53.44,0:59:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an even bigger challenge than attracting\Npeople and keeping them in the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.74,1:00:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next question.\NMic: So my question will mostly be related
Dialogue: 0,1:00:04.93,1:00:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this mergery of the feminist hacker\Nspaces and the male hacker spaces. So I
Dialogue: 0,1:00:10.71,1:00:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see that you are making spaces for women\Nand for a queer to get creative, but
Dialogue: 0,1:00:17.69,1:00:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making these separate from other hacker\Nspaces in a bit of an isolation and I
Dialogue: 0,1:00:21.60,1:00:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guess this would be a next step to merge\Nthese kind of societies. So from a male
Dialogue: 0,1:00:29.27,1:00:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perspective it's sometimes hard to\Nunderstand what female don't find
Dialogue: 0,1:00:33.54,1:00:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attractive or find distracting about\Njoining male societies, because feminist
Dialogue: 0,1:00:40.77,1:00:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activism usually do not target male to\Nexpress what the problem is. So what do
Dialogue: 0,1:00:48.41,1:00:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you think that could be done towards this\Nmergery? So to make women try to get
Dialogue: 0,1:00:54.68,1:01:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved in male hacker spaces and to make\Nmen more acceptive to female. So this
Dialogue: 0,1:01:04.47,1:01:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mergery to get involved together. I hope\Nmy question was on this...
Dialogue: 0,1:01:11.51,1:01:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}\NGdB: You can all feel free
Dialogue: 0,1:01:17.66,1:01:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (right): I don't think\Nour goal is to merge our hacker spaces. We
Dialogue: 0,1:01:26.89,1:01:30.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are creating hacker spaces around our\Nissues, if you want to come you're
Dialogue: 0,1:01:30.42,1:01:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,welcome. But what you will find here is\Nthings that concerns us. But of course
Dialogue: 0,1:01:35.79,1:01:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're welcome. And...\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:01:43.73,1:01:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (right): We don't have\Nany interest in your issues so we're not
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.16,1:01:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming to your hacker spaces. But...\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:01:50.17,1:01:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: Yeah. I understand this. And I don't\Nthink that what you do is wrong. I just
Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.16,1:02:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that this is a sort of isolation\Nbetween two different kinds of creative
Dialogue: 0,1:02:01.32,1:02:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy.\NGdB: Let's...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:03.32,1:02:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (right): I think you've\Nbeen in isolation much more longer than
Dialogue: 0,1:02:07.08,1:02:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,us.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:02:09.08,1:02:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: I mean probably separation, not\Nisolation.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:11.45,1:02:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Let's.. Again I'm gonna say, there\Nare many people queuing behind you, so we
Dialogue: 0,1:02:17.58,1:02:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do want to get in a conversation with\Neveryone, but we want to give everybody
Dialogue: 0,1:02:20.24,1:02:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the chance to speak as well. I think I'm\Ngonna rephrase your question if I may,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:26.12,1:02:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to the actual creation of\Ntechnology. Because I think that... let's
Dialogue: 0,1:02:31.76,1:02:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see if there are two separate things or\Nnot: the one thing is that you have a
Dialogue: 0,1:02:34.12,1:02:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community and you have a space for that\Ncommunity, and you want to prioritize the
Dialogue: 0,1:02:37.64,1:02:42.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issues of your community. The other\Nquestion is when we create technology and
Dialogue: 0,1:02:42.49,1:02:45.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we create technology for the general\Npublic. How do we ensure that that
Dialogue: 0,1:02:45.100,1:02:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology is created by the public as in\Nall members of that public and then
Dialogue: 0,1:02:51.53,1:02:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reflects all of our values equally.\NLe Reset speaker (right): I don't believe
Dialogue: 0,1:02:56.18,1:02:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the general public.\NGdB: Sorry?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:58.18,1:03:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (right): I don't believe\Nin the general public.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:00.95,1:03:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NHong Phuc Dang: So I could answer your
Dialogue: 0,1:03:09.07,1:03:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question. I also don't want to give\Ncomment about if we merging the two
Dialogue: 0,1:03:14.24,1:03:19.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,groups. But if you want to make your\Nspace, any hacker space, more welcome to
Dialogue: 0,1:03:19.09,1:03:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,woman or any member, the first thing: just\Nlike in a normal context - if you have a
Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.77,1:03:27.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new guest coming to your home, the first\Nthing is that to show the guest around.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:27.93,1:03:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like to interact with a person and to be\Npatient, and show them what they can do.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:35.17,1:03:38.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also one thing that I mentioned\Nearlier: because people have different
Dialogue: 0,1:03:38.65,1:03:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,background knowledge so it's more\Nimportant that you find out what is their
Dialogue: 0,1:03:42.47,1:03:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,motivation, to get to know the people\Nbetter. So make this more like the women
Dialogue: 0,1:03:47.86,1:03:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feel more comfortable to come you to your\Nspace instead of asking them to merge
Dialogue: 0,1:03:52.63,1:03:56.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together with another space. Just create a\Nmore friendly environment in your space.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:56.39,1:04:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By just approaching the people, the\Nnewcomers and welcome them.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:00.10,1:04:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NGdB: Next person please.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:07.08,1:04:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: So I have some more of experience to\Nshare than the question. I organize events
Dialogue: 0,1:04:15.73,1:04:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for geeks and they are very male heavy,\Nlet's say. And what I found is when it
Dialogue: 0,1:04:24.74,1:04:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes to disabled people and that the\Ncommunity is more likely to actually
Dialogue: 0,1:04:32.15,1:04:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change is because then they change\Nenvironment and they don't have to change
Dialogue: 0,1:04:37.49,1:04:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,themselves.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:04:39.49,1:04:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: The huge problem usually is that the\Nmale populated hacker space are generally
Dialogue: 0,1:04:44.82,1:04:54.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community in general, feel that when they\Nhave to open to female presence or a gay
Dialogue: 0,1:04:54.21,1:05:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presence, etc. they have to change their\Nown behavior. And that it's not something
Dialogue: 0,1:05:00.29,1:05:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are willing to do. Sadly enough.\NThanks.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:04.63,1:05:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you. Was that question in there\Nyou just wanted to share. Okay good. Thank
Dialogue: 0,1:05:10.18,1:05:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you. There's an online question we'd like\Nto take next please.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:12.71,1:05:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Signal Angel: The question was answered.\NGdB: Oh...
Dialogue: 0,1:05:16.68,1:05:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}\NGdB: Okay then. In that case.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:20.60,1:05:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: Hello. Thank you. First of all thank\Nyou for all of your great work. I just
Dialogue: 0,1:05:25.59,1:05:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to have a question about something\Nthat maybe a little bit missed in this
Dialogue: 0,1:05:29.94,1:05:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conversation. And so we talked about all\Nof the communities and the hacker spaces
Dialogue: 0,1:05:34.31,1:05:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that focused on a woman and non binaries.\NBut imagine a scenario that there is a
Dialogue: 0,1:05:41.48,1:05:47.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company or there's like a startup and\Nthere is not much diversity and we want to
Dialogue: 0,1:05:47.17,1:05:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,improve like representation of people of\Nmarginalized group or anyway. How
Dialogue: 0,1:05:55.14,1:06:00.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can achieve that? There are lots of\Nsuggestions like hire people who are like
Dialogue: 0,1:06:00.57,1:06:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,visible to others, to be very open about\Nthis and try to attract more people. But
Dialogue: 0,1:06:07.57,1:06:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is there any sort of way to talk to get\Nthese successful stories about to improve
Dialogue: 0,1:06:13.36,1:06:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the diversity of companies and startups\Nand other types of communities?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:19.93,1:06:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you.\NLena: I think it's often you have biases
Dialogue: 0,1:06:28.47,1:06:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes in the hiring process, so maybe\Nyou go through different CVs of different
Dialogue: 0,1:06:34.21,1:06:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,persons and then you... I only know\Nexamples from Germany, but I guess it's
Dialogue: 0,1:06:39.96,1:06:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same everywhere. If you read a CV with\Na name that sounds foreign to you, you
Dialogue: 0,1:06:45.57,1:06:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might put it to the side or might\Nautomatically think: okay maybe this
Dialogue: 0,1:06:49.70,1:06:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person is not equally capable. Even if the\Nskills are the same. And also in your job
Dialogue: 0,1:06:58.90,1:07:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,descriptions you can make sure that it's\Nmore inclusive so you don't say like: okay
Dialogue: 0,1:07:04.18,1:07:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the perfect person "he" should have this\Nand that's, put "he and she". And I think
Dialogue: 0,1:07:12.89,1:07:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of times it's about really really\Nsubtle changes and small things. And like
Dialogue: 0,1:07:18.83,1:07:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you said it's a change of the mindset. So\Nit's...
Dialogue: 0,1:07:21.37,1:07:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Yeah, please.\NLe Reset speaker (left): Actually, you
Dialogue: 0,1:07:24.77,1:07:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, in Le Reset we do not value success\Nstories at all. We don't care. We value
Dialogue: 0,1:07:30.24,1:07:35.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partnership. Partnership and being well\Ntogether, and that's what works actually.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:35.63,1:07:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do many things, but not by pushing\Nthings. To be a woman or queer, or
Dialogue: 0,1:07:41.92,1:07:47.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever... we do what we want to do, what\Nwe like and that works. That's just that.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:47.71,1:07:50.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: Thank you.\NGdB: Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:50.19,1:07:55.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NGdB: Maybe we can exchange after this. Oh
Dialogue: 0,1:07:55.82,1:07:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a lot of great written walks\Nalready out there that give advice to
Dialogue: 0,1:07:59.78,1:08:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies and startups that want be more\Ninclusive. But like the the simplest thing
Dialogue: 0,1:08:03.82,1:08:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if, like you said it yourself, if you want\Nto be inclusive - have an inclusive team.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:08.60,1:08:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You cannot have an inclusive or diverse\Nstartup if your team are all men and the
Dialogue: 0,1:08:14.28,1:08:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,excuse that you didn't find the right\Npeople out there doesn't really go. Either
Dialogue: 0,1:08:18.82,1:08:22.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, like you said, then maybe you're\Nlooking the wrong way. And if you
Dialogue: 0,1:08:22.58,1:08:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seriously can't find anybody with a\Nskillset you're looking for - then help
Dialogue: 0,1:08:26.35,1:08:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people build that skillset. So there are\Nalways ways to actually do that in your
Dialogue: 0,1:08:31.50,1:08:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,team. Please.\NMic: Hi. Six of you proposed talks. We got
Dialogue: 0,1:08:40.44,1:08:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one talk. Yes you are six awesome women.\NIt's an awesome topic. We've got an
Dialogue: 0,1:08:45.60,1:08:50.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audience of roughly 50/50. It's one of the\Nmost balanced audiences I've seen that
Dialogue: 0,1:08:50.57,1:08:55.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this entire event, but I'm pretty certain\Nthat the men in here are majority male
Dialogue: 0,1:08:55.87,1:09:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allies. The women you're preaching to the\Nperverted here, why is it that we have
Dialogue: 0,1:09:01.17,1:09:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowed ourselves to be gerrymandered in\Nthis way. Why do we have only one session.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:07.65,1:09:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why do we not have six sessions.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:09:22.62,1:09:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: Adams, Borg, Clark, Dijkstra. The\Nmeeting rooms are named after men! Women
Dialogue: 0,1:09:31.60,1:09:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are 50/50 of the population. Why are we\Nallowing this to happen. I appreciate. I'm
Dialogue: 0,1:09:36.52,1:09:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looking you in the eye and I'm guilty\Nhere of preaching to perverted too. But
Dialogue: 0,1:09:40.45,1:09:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why are we allowing it. Why is it\Nhappening. It's 2018. It's soon to be
Dialogue: 0,1:09:45.06,1:09:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2019. We deserve better.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:09:57.96,1:10:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: Thank you. Thank you very\Nmuch for your concern. But I think that...
Dialogue: 0,1:10:02.96,1:10:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't you think that is good to bring\Npeople together because, of course like we
Dialogue: 0,1:10:06.59,1:10:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can have separate section, but it also\Nvery good to have everyone come together
Dialogue: 0,1:10:11.98,1:10:14.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and share their opinions so we can have a\Nconversation, in which we can learn for
Dialogue: 0,1:10:14.98,1:10:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,each other. So again that the congress is\Nvery busy. Not everyone can come to every
Dialogue: 0,1:10:19.24,1:10:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,single talk. Maybe we'll not be able to\Nattend always our friends who are the
Dialogue: 0,1:10:24.40,1:10:28.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,panelists here. But it's good that we can\Ncome all together. So are always pro and
Dialogue: 0,1:10:28.35,1:10:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,con. But thank you very much for your\Nconcern.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:31.71,1:10:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NGdB: We have exactly time for one last
Dialogue: 0,1:10:34.48,1:10:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question/intervention and that shall be\Nyou.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:37.21,1:10:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic: Thank you. Thank you for the talk and\Nthank you for this opportunity. I'm
Dialogue: 0,1:10:42.73,1:10:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably in the category of a straight\Nmale engineer. But I also more or less...
Dialogue: 0,1:10:49.10,1:10:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I also have, I'm running a coworking\Nspace in Copenhagen and I'm specifically
Dialogue: 0,1:10:55.29,1:11:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,focusing on making it inclusive. So I'll\Nbe trying to find an information and tips
Dialogue: 0,1:11:00.62,1:11:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how to do that. But I have two other\Nquestions then. What would be your top
Dialogue: 0,1:11:08.86,1:11:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three action points on ending the digital\Ngender divide? It's a big topic, I know.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:17.34,1:11:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}\NGdB: There's a small question for the end
Dialogue: 0,1:11:21.40,1:11:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of session.\NMic: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:22.99,1:11:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: And you had a second one even.\NMic: Yeah. The second one was...
Dialogue: 0,1:11:26.12,1:11:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}\NMic: I guess that's, I mean, I really see
Dialogue: 0,1:11:30.12,1:11:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the points being raised about designing. I\Nmean just down to the level of design:
Dialogue: 0,1:11:36.37,1:11:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,designing a website targeted to a male\Naudience versus targeted to a female
Dialogue: 0,1:11:40.73,1:12:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audience. And the second question was...\NWhat was that... The FOSS Asia. In Asia I
Dialogue: 0,1:12:02.23,1:12:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,read an article lately from after access\Nmagazine about Internet usage throughout
Dialogue: 0,1:12:08.44,1:12:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the global south. And it's thus in Asia\Nyou have like 20 percent of the population
Dialogue: 0,1:12:14.73,1:12:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Internet. Do you see that as a\Nproblem? And what do you think could be
Dialogue: 0,1:12:20.96,1:12:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,done about it?\NGdB: Okay so how do we close the digital
Dialogue: 0,1:12:23.98,1:12:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,divide as such and how to close the gender\Ndivide. Specifically. Okay. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:30.48,1:12:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: And I don't want to\Nannounce that I am suggested we have a
Dialogue: 0,1:12:36.27,1:12:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after panel discussion, so we hosted a\Nfollow up discussion at the FOSS Asia
Dialogue: 0,1:12:42.47,1:12:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assembly after this. If you have more\Nquestions and you want to continue the
Dialogue: 0,1:12:45.89,1:12:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conversation we can meet there at 8:15?\NGdB: 8:15 to 9:15. We're not dodging your
Dialogue: 0,1:12:53.15,1:12:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question or we're just going to move it to\Nthat meetup. I hope that's okay. As we
Dialogue: 0,1:12:59.50,1:13:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have run over time. But I would like to end\Nmaybe with a little bit of a closing
Dialogue: 0,1:13:02.53,1:13:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,round, because I think this came out of a\Nnumber of statements that you made, on
Dialogue: 0,1:13:08.94,1:13:14.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your specific and of course work as a\Nleader of the open source community, which
Dialogue: 0,1:13:14.70,1:13:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is on shared resources. So you mentioned\Nthat a lot of times you're putting your
Dialogue: 0,1:13:18.94,1:13:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resources out there and they're out there\Nfor other people to share and learn from.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:23.50,1:13:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd be interested and a little bit of\Nclosing round of either recommendations,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:28.46,1:13:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reading recommendations, places to go look\Nfor further information, maybe places
Dialogue: 0,1:13:32.77,1:13:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you can be publishing your research.\NBut although the question of connecting
Dialogue: 0,1:13:36.48,1:13:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like how do we strengthen each other's\Nwork. Not just by coming together at
Dialogue: 0,1:13:40.06,1:13:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conferences like this but by making our\Nknowledge open and sharing it and perhaps
Dialogue: 0,1:13:44.58,1:13:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also exchanging experiences with one\Nanother. So if maybe you want to leave
Dialogue: 0,1:13:48.98,1:13:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an idea or a recommendation, or a\Npoint of inspiration, or question on that
Dialogue: 0,1:13:53.63,1:13:56.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issue. Let's do a quick round. You want to\Nstart?
Dialogue: 0,1:13:56.90,1:14:02.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Em: So we're quite lucky in the UK that we\Nhave the UK Hackspace Foundation which is
Dialogue: 0,1:14:02.19,1:14:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a kind of Umbrella group for the [not \Nunderstandable] hackerspaces in the UK and
Dialogue: 0,1:14:07.46,1:14:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these kind of organisations can be great\Nfor raising discussions about these
Dialogue: 0,1:14:12.50,1:14:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,topics. I'm really pushing to have more of\Nfocus on inclusivity and diversity in the
Dialogue: 0,1:14:17.92,1:14:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UK Hackspace Foundation at the moment and\Nthat can be a way of kind of funnelling
Dialogue: 0,1:14:21.27,1:14:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,best practices out through all of the\Nmember organizations.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:25.04,1:14:29.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Thank you.\NLena: I think for us it's we really focus
Dialogue: 0,1:14:29.90,1:14:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on, like you mentioned as well, the\Npersonal connection. So yeah we would of
Dialogue: 0,1:14:35.33,1:14:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course prefer that you visit us for\Ncoctails and code, and I think there are a
Dialogue: 0,1:14:38.25,1:14:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of almost.. I think in the bigger\Ncities you will find of feminist or women
Dialogue: 0,1:14:46.00,1:14:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only or women and non binary people only\Nspaces. And if there is none, maybe then
Dialogue: 0,1:14:51.10,1:14:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you should found one. Because I think it's\Nreally important and I think it happens a
Dialogue: 0,1:14:55.42,1:14:59.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot through personal connections.\NGdB: Thank you, Lena.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:59.03,1:15:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phuc Dang: Yeah. So it is something\Nyou all are welcome at our open source
Dialogue: 0,1:15:03.08,1:15:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hotel in Vietnam now if you ever want to\Nvisit and welcome at any FOSS Asia events.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:08.58,1:15:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the same time I think that we could\Nshare our best practices and the
Dialogue: 0,1:15:16.15,1:15:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,successful story on our website. So\Nwhatever the FOSS Asia developed and what
Dialogue: 0,1:15:20.27,1:15:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we do we publish everything. I think that\Nis a good way to share resources with
Dialogue: 0,1:15:23.98,1:15:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other communities. And a panel discussion\Nis always good to learn and to continue
Dialogue: 0,1:15:29.26,1:15:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the conversation.\NGdB: It's definitely good moment with you
Dialogue: 0,1:15:32.19,1:15:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guys. Sarah.\NLe Reset speaker (right): There is only
Dialogue: 0,1:15:35.19,1:15:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one thing to do is to go to our Wiki. We\Nhave all the resources that you need, in
Dialogue: 0,1:15:39.17,1:15:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,French.\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:15:41.17,1:15:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hong Phug Dang: Our website is in English\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:15:50.49,1:15:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Le Reset speaker (right): So yeah, we will\Ntry. As after this conference and this as
Dialogue: 0,1:15:55.54,1:16:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say we will try to put the video on our\NWiki with a page with all the references
Dialogue: 0,1:16:00.02,1:16:04.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we do usually in French and so we will\Ndo it in English this time. So you should
Dialogue: 0,1:16:04.45,1:16:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find it in a few days on our Wiki which is\NWiki.LeReset.org.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:11.40,1:16:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: Excellent.\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:16:15.75,1:16:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GdB: I would like to thank you all for\Nhanging in such great ideas for this event
Dialogue: 0,1:16:20.21,1:16:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for sitting on this panel and sharing your\Nthoughts and experiences. Thank you Azam.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:24.74,1:16:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you Sarah. Thank you Hong. Thank you\NLena. Thank you Em. For being part of the
Dialogue: 0,1:16:28.79,1:16:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,session. Thank you all for attending and\Nyour inputs and ideas as well. And let's
Dialogue: 0,1:16:33.36,1:16:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say a big thank you to the stage host and\Nthe translators for doing a wonderful job
Dialogue: 0,1:16:36.12,1:16:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well.
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