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Prisons are a central pillar of state power.

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In addition to being veritable warehouses[br]of human misery, they serve as a threat that

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reverberates well beyond their walls, programming[br]us from an early age into accepting a life

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of economic, social and political subordination.

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They’re an eternal warning to do what you’re[br]told.

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Or else.

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This is an abnormal environment for a human[br]being, certainly.

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Y’know... these are essentially cages.

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And to think that we stay in them 23 hours[br]a day, come out for an hour a day...

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it's taxing.

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Prisons have existed in some form or another[br]since the development of early states.

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Yet for most of this time, they were primarily[br]used to detain criminals as they awaited their

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real punishment – usually some form of public[br]torture, execution or indentured servitude.

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This started to change in the mid-18th century,[br]as the modern prison system began to take

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shape amidst the rise of industrial capitalism.

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Back then, major cities in Europe and North[br]America were teeming sites of concentrated

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squalor, desperation and inequality – which[br]in turn, made them hot-beds of criminality.

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Fuelled by ruling-class hysteria about the[br]so-called “dangerous classes”, strict

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laws were passed that turned relatively minor[br]transgressions, such as stealing a pocket-watch,

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into crimes punishable by public hanging.

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Within this context, prison reform was proposed[br]by progressive Christian groups, such as the

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Quakers, as a more humane alternative to mass[br]executions.

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These early prison advocates argued that extended[br]periods of isolation would provide ample opportunity

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for sinners to reflect on their misdeeds and[br]demonstrate their penitence to God.

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Accordingly, they dubbed these new facilities[br]penitentiaries.

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It wasn’t long before those in power saw[br]prison’s potential as a means for maintaining

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social hierarchies under the rubric of public[br]safety.

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In the United States, prison construction[br]experienced an early boom in the years following

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the Civil War, as the state scrambled to reconstruct[br]America’s white supremacist scaffolding,

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which had been damaged by the formal abolition[br]of slavery.

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This racist system of mass incarceration was[br]expanded again in the decades following the

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defeat of the Black Power movement, and other[br]liberation movements of the 1970s,

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helping to give rise to its sprawling modern incarnation,[br]the Prison-Industrial-Complex.

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Over the next thirty minutes, we’ll talk[br]to a number of individuals as they share their

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own experience of dealing with this beast,[br]and the intense challenges involved.

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Along the way, we’ll discuss some of the[br]organizing being carried out by prisoners

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and abolitionists seeking to break down barriers[br]of state-imposed isolation, rattle the cage...

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and make [br]a whole lotta trouble.

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The panopticon was a prison design, designed[br]by Jeremy Bentham in the late 1700s.

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In the center of the building, there’s a[br]watch tower.

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And the prisoners are arranged in cells so[br]the guard in the center can be watching any

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of the cells at any given moment.

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In disciplinary societies, the subject internalizes[br]the feeling of being watched at all moments,

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and engages in a practice of self-disciplining.

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Because even the potential of being watched[br]makes the subject begin to adapt their behaviours

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to what they think are the expectations of[br]the person who could be watching.

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Prison is the state weaponizing the flow of[br]time.

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It’s a factory for the production of sadness[br]and submission.

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It’s a deeply hierarchical internal culture[br]built on boredom and scrutiny.

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It’s the deeply felt sense that no matter[br]how bullshit our lives are, there’s still

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something the state can take away from us.

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Prison is like the permanent threat that holds[br]up all relationships of exchange and domination.

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So prison deeply affects all of us in every[br]kind of routine interaction under capitalism.

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Even if we never set foot inside of one.

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I would talk about the Prison-Industrial-Complex[br]as being something that has developed apart

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from the idea of criminal justice.

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It’s become a machine of its own.

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For corporate profit.

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For other motives that the complex serves,[br]like demographic motives.

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Politically, those who have the greatest motive[br]for changing the way things are, are the people

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people who get caught up in the system.

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So it serves that kind of political motive.

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It serves a demographic motive.

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And it serves as a kind of tool for control.

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The political economy of prisons is also tied[br]to the history of de-industrialization.

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In the United States, there have been waves[br]of migration of predominantly African Americans

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to urban centres like Chicago, Oakland, Philadelphia,[br]Detroit.

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And as jobs began moving to the suburbs, and[br]moving abroad under globalization, this created

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concentrated zones of urban poverty.

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And so what happened is, basically prisons[br]absorbed people who were shunted from the

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labour market.

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So, y’know... in places like Detroit or[br]Chicago, people who are considered redundant

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to the needs of capital are then round up[br]in prisons.

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It’s really about removing particular people[br]from society.

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Your race, your poverty, your history of colonization,[br]mental illness, disability – these are all

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things that intersect with the prison system.

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And it becomes the place where we put those[br]people that we don’t think of as hearty,

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equal, useful citizens.

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And so we dump them in a prison.

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Immigration enforcement and detention involves[br]a constellation of different agencies, including

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the Canadian Border Services Agency, which[br]has been compared to ICE.

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People have been getting deported from Canada[br]for a very long time.

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For many decades that looked like people being[br]held in a regular jail cell and then getting

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shipped out of Canada.

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But right now it looks like people being incarcerated[br]either in provincial jails, or in what are

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called Immigration Detention Centres, or Immigration[br]Prevention Centres – but are really just

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jails that are specifically for migrants.

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In Canada we have indefinite incarceration[br]for immigration, meaning that you can be held

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forever.

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So we have people being held over eight years.

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We have multiple deaths in immigration custody[br]— many of which we don’t even know the

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names or the numbers, because it’s not tracked.

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So when people are looking across the border[br]saying “oh Trump is incarcerating children,

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and putting kids in cages”... we actually[br]do the same thing.

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We have children in immigration detention[br]as well.

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A lot of people obviously are aware that in[br]Canada we have over-incarceration of Indigenous people

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Close to 40% now, of federally incarcerated[br]women are Indigenous women in Canada.

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In Saskatchewan, 99% of incarcerated girls[br]are Indigenous girls.

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Over 50% of incarcerated youth in Canada are[br]Indigenous.

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And while it’s true that America by far[br]outstrips everybody in the world in incarcerating

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people and in Black incarceration, Canada[br]also has a Black incarceration problem and

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a mass incarceration problem.

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It’s pretty clear that prison is invested,[br]and the justice system is invested in maintaining

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a kind of permanent class of people who do[br]crimes, who can then get managed by the police

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and by the prisons.

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And one of the ways that they do that is by[br]reproducing these kind of cycles of trauma

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on people.

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Almost everybody I meet inside of prison has[br]just, like... horrible stories of fucked up

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things that have happened to them, going back[br]to the time they were a kid.

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And then those kinds of trauma lead people[br]into situations where those traumas get re-compounded.

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And the prison pretty consciously plays on[br]those things, right?

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Like almost everybody has these kinds of histories[br]of sexual violence.

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And then prison goes ahead and then gives[br]any guard the power to strip search you at

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any time.

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People get used to these things.

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But the process of getting used to them, getting[br]to the point where it actually doesn’t matter

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how many times you get strip searched in a[br]week involves a form of loss, and internalization

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of hurt.

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And like a letting go of control over yourself[br]that ultimately makes people more vulnerable.

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Life inside prison is a highly structured,[br]daily routine.

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This is true whether you find yourself in[br]a low-security federal penitentiary, or in

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the administrative segregation wing of a super[br]max.

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Prisons are ongoing social experiments in[br]totalitarianism.

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Get your hands behind your back!

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We’ve sent inmates to the hospital.

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Broken/fractured skulls, broken arms, broken[br]ribs.

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Torn ears.

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Broken eye socket.

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It happens.

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They use intense regimentation, internal hierarchies,[br]sensory deprivation and boredom as tools of

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psychological conditioning.

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This practice is aimed at wearing people down,[br]limiting the need for direct corrective violence,

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and ultimately convincing inmates to accept[br]the authority of the institution.

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My mental health diminished.

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Slowly but surely.

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It’ll do it to anybody.

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I lasted a while... now I just say ‘fuck[br]it.’

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But there is nothing natural about being locked[br]up in cages and held against your will.

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And all the routine in the world can’t change[br]that.

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The days are all more or less the same.

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Overhead florescent lights flick on as a substitute[br]for dawn.

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You leave your cell in the morning, and go[br]into kinda like the big room.

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You wait around for the meal cart to come[br]on.

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There’s kind of a brief flurry of people[br]trading, like, juice crystals for coffee whitener

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or something like that.

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You’ve got about fifteen minutes to eat,[br]typically, before the guards want to bring

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the trays back in, because their breaks are[br]timed around meal time.

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Then you’re just out in the day room for[br]the day.

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There’s very little to do there... sometimes[br]the TV will be turned on.

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After three hours a lunch tray comes on.

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Again it comes on in a cart, in little plastic[br]trays.

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Everybody does their trades.

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And then after lunch you get locked down so[br]that the guards can take their break.

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If you’re lucky, you’re in a situation[br]where there’s two to a cell.

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For many provincial jails, you’re three.

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So there’s one person whose bed is on the[br]floor.

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So there’s actually no space to walk around[br]or move, apart from maybe just, like, a narrow

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space to get to the toilet.

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And then after maybe two or three hours you[br]get let back out.

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You’re back in the big room... still nothing[br]happens.

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Maybe you catch up with your buddies who you[br]haven’t talked to since yesterday at this

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time, and tell stories about all the nothing[br]that happened to you.

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You don’t really have a sense of what time[br]it is, so you just kinda go by what TV shows

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are on, you know?

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So you get, like...

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Maury-o’clock.

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And then you have Dr. Phil-o’clock.

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And then Ellen-o’clock means its dinner[br]time, because you eat at four, in order to

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line up with how long the guards’ shifts[br]are.

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After dinner you get locked back up again[br]for another couple hours.

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You and your cellies.

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Maybe you’ve brought some books in with[br]you this time... all the beat to shit paperbacks

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that have been kicking around the jail forever,[br]and just like, covered with blood and snot

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and don’t really get replaced.

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Then you get out for a couple of hours in[br]the evening.

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The evening shows vary a lot more than the[br]daytime shows, y’know, so like maybe its

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like the show where celebrities lip sync.

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And then you get locked back up for the night,[br]starting at probably about 8 o’clock.

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Lights are on for another two hours.

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Again, you just kind of kill time.

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After lights out, you’ve gotta try to be[br]quiet.

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No more flushing the toilet until morning,[br]because they’re these like ultra-powerful

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industrial vacuum toilets that make huge amounts[br]of noise.

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And then you wake up when the florescent light[br]turns on, and the whole thing starts over

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again.

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When you go in, these people are going to[br]be very caring to you and they’re going

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to ask to see your paperwork just to make[br]sure you have it with you.

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And you’re going to go through a metal detector.

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It’s not scary... you’re going to be fine.

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I was sixteen when my brother was incarcerated.

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My brother was seventeen and he was given[br]a juvenile life without parole sentence — a

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sentence that only exists in the United States.

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Living with an incarcerated sibling, you become[br]aware of how expensive it is to even just

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exist in prison.

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I’m continually having to upload money in[br]my brother’s account so he can buy commissary

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items.

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All communication between prisoners and their[br]loved ones and family members is mediated

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by a company that price gouges for prisoners[br]to use...

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phones, for example.

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There’s this move towards phasing out in-person[br]visitations and replacing them with digital

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visitations.

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So there are, in the United States, two prison[br]telecom companies that dominate the industry:

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Global Tel Link and Securus Technologies.

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What these companies will sometimes do is[br]require, in their contracts, that the prison

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they’re servicing phase out in-person visits[br]and replace them with these digital visits.

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And they’re basically exploiting prisoners’[br]need to stay socially connected to their families

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and loved ones.

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Burnside, or Central Nova Scotia Correctional[br]Facility, is the jail for the Halifax region.

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There’s like, about 400 men maybe, and about[br]40 women... it depends on the day.

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You can never really figure out capacity for[br]these jails.

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Because what they do is when they hit capacity,[br]they just say that there can be more people.

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Burnside is now at any one time between two-thirds[br]and 80% remand, meaning people who haven’t

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been convicted of any crimes at all.

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They’re awaiting trial, or they’re on[br]breach, or they haven’t got bail.

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They’ve been struggling with lock-down.

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So essentially since August, they have not[br]really been out properly.

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What we’re seeing, not only in Burnside,[br]but really across the country is that these

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things are becoming the new normal.

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So lock-downs, they used to be quite rare.

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Only when there was a search, only when there[br]was an extremely violent incident.

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And now it’s essentially become the new[br]normal.

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And so when I say on lock-down, I want to[br]be clear here that what we’re talking about

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is conditions of solitary confinement being[br]extended to be the normal for the entire jail.

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The old so-called ‘gangs’ that used to[br]run everything—the Bloods, the Crips, Gangster

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Disciples, Aryan Brotherhood—those are kind[br]of like dinosaurs these days.

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You have some younger groups that are organized[br]a bit differently.

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It’s less based on race than the old gangs[br]used to be.

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The lines are a little bit more blurred.

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And if you come into prison and you’re not[br]a gang member, they’re going to find some

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affiliation to tag you anyway, because it[br]increases the amount of money that they get.

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So it’s... yeah, it’s definitely a cash[br]cow.

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I’ve done time in both men’s and women’s[br]provincial prisons at this point.

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It’s kind of a new phenomenon...

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I wasn’t really expecting it.

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The gender segregation aspect of prison is[br]one of its most kind of poignant features,

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in that it’s one of the sites where society[br]most brutally segregates people and tells

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them what their gender is, what that means.

0:15:50.129,0:15:53.509
These forms of gender segregation and differentiated[br]control shape people’s behaviour pretty

0:15:53.509,0:15:54.509
profoundly.

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Since people are spending, kind of months[br]and years in these, like, extremely restrictive

0:15:58.080,0:16:02.600
conditions where people are very closely scrutinizing[br]each other, and enforcing behaviours on each

0:16:02.600,0:16:03.480
each other.

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This then spreads back out into the community,[br]and it sort of becomes one of those ways that

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prison is diffuse.

0:16:07.410,0:16:10.160
It’s not just the walls that, like, physically[br]contain people.

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It’s a whole set of institutions and forms[br]of social control that, like, profoundly shape

0:16:13.440,0:16:14.120
behaviour.

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It means the culture among prisoners—which[br]is toxic and disgusting, and I don’t think

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we should valorize it—then gets exported[br]into these spaces as well.

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And so those dynamics around violence and[br]scrutiny get reproduced and favour people

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returning to prison.

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So over time, you do get these forms of, like[br]a reproduction of a class of criminals.

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Of, like, people whose role is to be permanently[br]managed by the system.

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The Attica Prison Uprising began on September[br]9, 1971, two weeks after imprisoned Black

0:16:57.470,0:17:02.070
revolutionary George Jackson was assassinated[br]while attempting to escape San Quentin.

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During the four-day uprising, nearly 1300[br]prisoners took over control of the prison

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and held 43 guards hostage.

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They issued a series of demands aimed at improving[br]the inmate’s living conditions.

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But rather than negotiate with the insurgent[br]prisoners, New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller

0:17:18.630,0:17:24.430
sent in an army of 550 state troopers and[br]74 Correctional Officers to storm the facility

0:17:24.430,0:17:26.490
and retake it by force.

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43 people were killed during the resulting[br]bloodbath, including 10 guards and 33 prisoners.

0:17:32.240,0:17:36.280
In the ensuing outcry, a number of reforms[br]were passed to improve conditions in the

0:17:36.280,0:17:38.070
New York state prison system.

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45 years later, on September 9, 2016, prisoners[br]in twelve US states launched what has been

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referred to as ‘the largest prison strike[br]in history.’

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Chief among their demands was the end of prison[br]slavery – a reference to inmate’s hyper-exploitative

0:17:53.040,0:17:58.740
labour conditions, and a loophole in the 13th[br]amendment to the US constitution, which formally

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outlawed slavery ‘except as a punishment[br]for crime’.

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The US prisoner workforce consists of 800,000[br]inmates across the country.

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The average minimum wage they’re paid for[br]non-industry prison jobs is now 86 cents per

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hour.

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In Louisiana, prisoners earn four cents per[br]hour.

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And in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia,[br]and Texas, prisoners are not paid at all.

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A second coordinated prison strike, held over[br]three weeks in 2018, saw protests, hunger

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strikes and work stoppages by prisoners across[br]seventeen US states, as well as inmates in

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Burnside Prison, located in the Canadian province[br]of Nova Scotia.

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Both the 2016 and 2018 strikes were[br]coordinated with the assistance of outside

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supporters.

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And while they have not yet achieved their[br]demands, they have helped to galvanize a broader

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discussion about the conditions of mass incarceration[br]in the United States.

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Inmates are using cellphones to get behind[br]a common cause, pushing back against the system.

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At Hayes, where inmates outnumber officers[br]five to one, that's a serious threat.

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If seventeen hundred inmates said 'I don't[br]wanna be here no more' and just started walking

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towards the fence, you think forty, fifty[br]police is gonna be able to do something...

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What the fuck are they gonna do about it?

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The Burnside prison strike arose in tandem[br]with the prison strike in the United States

0:19:26.280,0:19:30.840
so August 21st to September 9th, those dates[br]were chosen because of very significant prison

0:19:30.840,0:19:32.640
uprisings that had taken place.

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In the United States the prison strike really[br]was a strike, it was based on withdrawing

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prison labour.

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We wanna get paid for working in these chain[br]gangs for free!

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Just know, we're tired of this shit, we're[br]laying down man!

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Y'all gonna have to earn your own check we're[br]through with this shit!

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Obviously in a provincial context, in a provincial[br]jail there isn't as much labour but Burnside

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wanted to join to address their conditions.

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We were connected with the Incarcerated Worker's[br]Organizing Committee and working with the

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people that were working with the strikers[br]in the states so there was that communication

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back and forth.

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We don't know kind of what the ripple effects[br]of people being able to stand up for those

0:20:06.160,0:20:10.840
rights and take that lead in organizing is,[br]but as time unfurls I think we're going to

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see more and more on that.

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I think there's a lot of hope in people on[br]the outside organizing directly with prisoners

0:20:19.760,0:20:28.360
because what happens is when someone on the[br]inside is caught engaging in organizing activity,

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they'll often be subjected to really severe[br]forms of repression.

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When they accused us of being the leaders[br]of the army of the twelve monkey rebellion

0:20:38.840,0:20:42.640
they engaged in full scale torture,.

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You know, we were in freezing cold all winter[br]long.

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They would come by every fifteen minutes and[br]rattle the doors in order to keep us awake

0:20:51.240,0:20:52.840
so that we wouldn't get any sleep.

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When we left there after a year, we had both[br]lost about thirty-five percent of our body

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weight.

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One of the ways that people do try to carve[br]out space to have some kind of autonomy within

0:21:05.460,0:21:11.050
prison is to continue to find the ways in[br]which they can't be quite as neatly surveilled.

0:21:11.050,0:21:15.310
So that just means that certain things only[br]happen in the showers because, although any

0:21:15.310,0:21:19.510
guard can force you to rip your clothes off[br]at any time, they don't film you in the showers

0:21:19.510,0:21:22.780
and they mostly don't film you in the cells[br]unless you're on some sort of special regiment

0:21:22.780,0:21:24.690
like suicide watch or something like that.

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So during the periods of time in the day when[br]the cell doors aren't locked, that becomes

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a place to have private conversations or to[br]exchange things or to settle scores or whatever.

0:21:33.270,0:21:38.610
So understanding those spaces as a way that[br]people take back some power over their ability

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to do things on their own terms.

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This building serves as a constant reminder[br]of the eighteen hour siege in which inmates

0:21:45.740,0:21:50.710
overpowered corrections officers, taking three[br]of them hostage, along with a councillor and

0:21:50.710,0:21:52.180
potentially other prisoners.

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It was this incident which led to the death[br]of lieutenant Steven Floyd.

0:21:57.160,0:22:01.720
So there's already a migrant prison in Laval,[br]and it's falling apart and the building is

0:22:01.740,0:22:06.890
apparently full of asbestos, and the government[br]should definitely close it but we shouldn't

0:22:06.890,0:22:08.980
let them open another one in its place.

0:22:08.980,0:22:14.180
There's two architectural firms that have[br]been awarded the design contract, one is called

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Lemay, which is in Montreal.

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And one is called Group A, which is in Quebec[br]City.

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About a year ago there was a communique claiming[br]an action that involved releasing crickets

0:22:23.320,0:22:25.120
into LeMay's headquarters.

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In the fall of 2018 there were workshops that[br]got started, info sessions and discussions

0:22:30.320,0:22:34.050
in and around Montreal about the prison and[br]why people should stop it.

0:22:34.050,0:22:35.460
There was a poster campaign.

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There's been a few zines released about the[br]project.

0:22:39.140,0:22:43.710
Loiselle, one of the companies involved in[br]the soil remediation, had their offices spray

0:22:43.710,0:22:47.590
painted and someone painted a slogan against[br]the prison on their wall.

0:22:47.600,0:22:52.480
In February there was a demonstration in St-Henri[br]where people went to Lemay's headquarters.

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Also in February people went out to Laval[br]to block a site visit for the prospective

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general contractors, which was pretty successful.

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None of the bidders who showed up that day[br]were able to reach the spot where they were

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supposed to do the site visit and a lot of[br]them turned around and went home.

0:23:08.480,0:23:12.920
All through March there was a call-in campaign[br]against the potential contractors where people

0:23:12.920,0:23:16.640
were asked to call the companies and tell[br]them not to bid on building the prison.

0:23:16.960,0:23:20.960
One rumour said that someone got a company[br]on the phone who was like "why is our phone

0:23:20.960,0:23:21.960
number on the Internet?

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Why do people keep calling us?

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Stop calling us.

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We're not going to bid on this prison".

0:23:27.320,0:23:31.760
There was a communique that came out that[br]said people smashed the windows at the office

0:23:31.770,0:23:36.540
for a Lemay condo project and that they had[br]sprayed paint all over two condo tower projects

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that were also being overseen by Lemay.

0:23:40.340,0:23:46.320
If you have access to a community radio station,[br]I highly advice setting up a kind of prison

0:23:46.320,0:23:49.760
radio show something that's just explicitly[br]directed, where they can choose the music,

0:23:49.760,0:23:51.360
make sure they know it's happening.

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Jail lines.

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They advertise within the jail that they have[br]a line and that it's open in the afternoons

0:23:55.840,0:23:59.280
and people can call them and that way you[br]start building a relationship.

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Just being able to talk with people, to connect,[br]to have empathy and to understand each other.

0:24:03.920,0:24:07.200
To provide practical support around how to[br]deal with legal shit, hooking each other up

0:24:07.210,0:24:10.220
with lawyers, helping relay calls through[br]to people.

0:24:10.240,0:24:15.680
All of this becomes useful ways of subverting[br]some of the alienation of prison.

0:24:27.960,0:24:32.160
In the months immediately following Donald[br]Trump’s presidential election, the stocks

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of the world’s two biggest private prison[br]companies, CoreCivic and Geo Group both doubled

0:24:37.470,0:24:38.200
in price.

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Investors had wagered that Trump’s strident[br]anti-migrant, tough-on-crime campaign rhetoric

0:24:43.720,0:24:47.990
would translate into more profitable government[br]contracts and the construction of new private

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detention facilities.

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When Mexico sends its people, they’re not[br]sending their best.

0:24:53.780,0:24:55.340
They’re bringing drugs.

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They’re bringing crime.

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They’re rapists.

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And once in office, Trump didn’t disappoint.

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What we are going to do is get the people[br]that are criminal and have criminal records..

0:25:07.580,0:25:11.000
we’re getting them out of our country or[br]we’re going to incarcerate.

0:25:11.000,0:25:15.700
Millions of Americans have recoiled in horror[br]from the barbarism of Trump’s policies.

0:25:15.700,0:25:20.180
This was particularly true in the wake of[br]the widely-broadcast images of children being

0:25:20.190,0:25:24.430
ripped from their parents’ arms and thrown[br]into specially-constructed detention facilities

0:25:24.430,0:25:27.060
grotesquely referred to as ‘baby jails’.

0:25:27.720,0:25:31.580
But while the images and details surrounding[br]the so-called ‘zero tolerance policy’

0:25:31.590,0:25:37.100
were particularly rage-inducing, the phenomenon[br]of forced family separation is certainly nothing

0:25:37.100,0:25:38.100
new.

0:25:38.100,0:25:43.770
It forms an integral, if often invisible component[br]of the practice of mass incarceration.

0:25:43.770,0:25:47.270
Nonetheless, resistance to these images was[br]swift.

0:25:47.270,0:25:51.970
ICE offices and detention facilities were[br]targeted by occupations across the United

0:25:51.970,0:25:56.440
States, forcing several facilities to temporarily[br]shut down.

0:25:56.440,0:26:00.920
And while the occupations were eventually[br]cleared, and the outrage died down, it gave

0:26:00.920,0:26:05.380
us a small taste of what a more sustained[br]and widespread movement against prisons might

0:26:05.380,0:26:06.000
look like.

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Building a practice that opposes prison is[br]one of the most important things that we can

0:26:18.960,0:26:19.720
do as anarchists.

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I think in order to do that, we have to start[br]by changing the way that we look at society,

0:26:24.310,0:26:25.530
in order to learn to see prison.

0:26:25.530,0:26:30.010
Because I think oftentimes prison, it produces[br]silence, it produces invisibility by literally

0:26:30.010,0:26:33.180
locking people’s voices and bodies where[br]you can’t see them.

0:26:33.180,0:26:35.940
So beginning by looking and just being like,[br]“where are prisons in this area?”

0:26:36.060,0:26:40.320
Physically go to them, watch them, walk around[br]them, do protests at them, set off fireworks.

0:26:40.320,0:26:44.070
And then after that, just look at the ways[br]that prison affects your life, even if you’ve

0:26:44.070,0:26:47.080
never been there, and just ask yourself “in[br]what ways am I afraid?

0:26:47.080,0:26:48.000
When am I afraid?

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What kinds of interactions are relying on[br]the authority and the violence of prisons

0:26:51.780,0:26:52.780
in order to carry them out?”

0:26:52.780,0:26:56.260
Talk about this with your friends, figure[br]out if you can cultivate practices that allow

0:26:56.260,0:26:58.960
you to break some of that fear or recognize[br]that you have more choices that you weren’t

0:26:58.960,0:26:59.580
aware of.

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For instance, like, why do you pay rent?

0:27:01.740,0:27:03.400
Why do you listen to your boss?

0:27:03.400,0:27:05.460
Why do you pay for food when you need food?

0:27:05.460,0:27:06.140
Break this down.

0:27:06.140,0:27:10.600
Because standing behind all of those authority[br]figures are walls and barbed wire and locked

0:27:10.600,0:27:11.340
doors.

0:27:11.340,0:27:13.980
I think learning to see can actually give[br]us more power to resist it.

0:27:15.460,0:27:18.640
Almost worse than prison itself is the fear[br]of prison, and that’s one of the main ways

0:27:18.650,0:27:22.380
that prison projects itself into society and[br]controls our behaviour even if you’ve never

0:27:22.380,0:27:24.130
heard the kind of a clank of a door closing.

0:27:24.130,0:27:26.960
So I’d say that, as anarchists, as people[br]who, like, love freedom and are prepared to

0:27:26.960,0:27:30.800
act on it, that we also need to be somewhat[br]prepared to do some time.

0:27:31.120,0:27:36.600
Keep in mind, that what we imagine things[br]to be, are probably worse than they really

0:27:36.600,0:27:37.600
are.

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You’re gonna feel anxiety and you’re gonna[br]feel scared.

0:27:41.000,0:27:45.520
It always helps to have people from the outside[br]because, I've spent about 27 years locked

0:27:45.540,0:27:50.180
up now, and I've spent most of that with my[br]head on the other side of the fence.

0:27:50.760,0:27:53.760
It’s good not to get pulled into a place[br]like this.

0:27:54.560,0:27:58.920
Once your head is on the inside of this and[br]you’re thinking about the internal politics

0:27:58.920,0:28:03.460
of what’s going on in here, that can really[br]wear you down.

0:28:03.460,0:28:07.720
So if you can keep your head, to the extent[br]possible, on the other side of the fence that’s

0:28:07.720,0:28:08.440
always good.

0:28:08.960,0:28:12.600
And also, something that I’ve lived by in[br]terms of a principle...

0:28:12.840,0:28:16.480
I like to continue being who I am in the here[br]and now.

0:28:16.520,0:28:19.240
Because the here and now is really all that[br]we have.

0:28:19.240,0:28:25.160
You can find ways... if you have some imagination,[br]you can find ways to make the time you’re

0:28:25.240,0:28:27.080
doing now count.

0:28:27.080,0:28:29.440
You can come up with projects that matter.

0:28:29.440,0:28:33.160
And you can continue changing the world right[br]from wherever you are.

0:28:34.920,0:28:36.920
What would you do[br]if you was in my shoes?

0:28:36.920,0:28:39.920
Thoughts of suicide,[br]but for my kids I choose

0:28:39.920,0:28:43.040
to survive hell on earth,[br]cuz this is hell, I curse

0:28:43.040,0:28:44.520
whoever created it.

0:28:44.520,0:28:46.480
They shoulda laid in it first!

0:28:46.480,0:28:49.160
So they can feel[br]how they own shit work.

0:28:49.160,0:28:50.720
Spitefulness is bad.

0:28:50.720,0:28:52.240
Ignorance is worse.

0:28:53.480,0:28:57.560
There’s no barbed wire, lots of greenery[br]and striking contemporary art.

0:28:57.680,0:29:00.560
Inmates even have pretty great views out of[br]their cell windows.

0:29:00.560,0:29:03.560
It’s all part of a plan to make prisons[br]more humane.

0:29:04.640,0:29:07.150
Ask yourself in what way in your area, prison[br]is changing.

0:29:07.150,0:29:08.470
How are these things developing?

0:29:08.470,0:29:12.940
So, like in the area that we’re in, here,[br]there is this push away from using segregation

0:29:12.940,0:29:15.760
towards various forms of kind of sentence[br]in the community.

0:29:15.760,0:29:22.850
Studying the history of prisons, you see that[br]reformers are actually the ones who are kind

0:29:22.850,0:29:27.550
of planting the seeds for the next regime[br]of social control.

0:29:27.550,0:29:31.020
And I think that no matter what those changes[br]are you should always oppose them.

0:29:31.020,0:29:34.230
Whether it’s as obvious as building a new[br]institution, or whether it looks like changing

0:29:34.230,0:29:39.420
laws to allow for more supervised sentences,[br]rather than periods of incarceration.

0:29:39.420,0:29:45.280
The more that you can get involved with prisoners[br]in here, and the more disruptive that your

0:29:45.280,0:29:52.360
activity with those prisoners can become to[br]the larger complex, the more you liberate

0:29:52.370,0:29:58.700
not just prisoners from the prison complex,[br]but the more liberation you’re spreading

0:29:58.700,0:30:00.680
in free space out there.

0:30:01.280,0:30:06.600
With as many people as you have locked up,[br]you have a variety of people that want to

0:30:06.600,0:30:08.560
do a variety of things.

0:30:08.680,0:30:12.800
You have to begin with a relationship of trust,[br]and you have to build that over time.

0:30:12.800,0:30:15.920
I find that most of the things that we’ve[br]worked on have come because of that relationship.

0:30:15.920,0:30:19.920
We’re just, on a daily basis, communicating[br]with people inside, and filling basic needs.

0:30:19.920,0:30:22.800
So that may be putting money on the phone,[br]putting money on cantine, driving up someone’s

0:30:22.800,0:30:24.600
mom to visit.

0:30:24.600,0:30:32.360
A very important thing to organize and rally[br]around is the right for prisoners to stay

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in touch with their loved ones through physical[br]contact and also through free modes of communication.

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Out of that you’re going to hear a lot of[br]the issues.

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So as I said, the prison strike arose kind[br]of spontaneously from us speaking on the radio,

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and then getting a phone call about the conditions.

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Everywhere they try to build a prison of any[br]kind, we should try to stop it.

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Let’s not let the state provide itself with[br]more infrastructure to enforce the repression

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of us and our communities.

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I would recommend that people check out things[br]written by other folks who’ve been through

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this already.

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That includes groups like Critical Resistance[br]in California, anarchists in Brussels, there

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was also a group called End he Prison Industrial[br]Complex in Kingston, Ontario that was fighting

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against the expansion of a prison in their[br]city.

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And those groups have all written reflections[br]about their struggles on the Internet that

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people could find.

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There’s lots of people who’ve been fighting[br]prison construction over the years, and I

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would go check out all of their reflections.

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Prison affects all of us even if we’ve never[br]been there.

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This is everyone’s fight.

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So find your stake in it and be prepared to[br]pick sides.

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Prison fixes no problems.

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It doesn’t make anything better... it only[br]makes situations worse.

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When people stick up for prisons in my life,[br]I can say without any exaggeration that if

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prison was gotten rid of tomorrow, that if[br]all the guards were fired, all the P.O’s

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were fired, the buildings were turned over[br]to the pigeons and rain, that it would actually

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just immediately make the world a better place.

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There are more people incarcerated today than[br]at any other period in human history.

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One recent estimate put the number at over[br]11 million worldwide.

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And given current trends towards accelerating[br]rates of female incarceration, massive spikes

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in Central and South America prison populations,[br]surging levels of global migration and a worldwide

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shift towards more authoritarian and nationalist[br]governments... unfortunately, this pattern

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looks poised to continue.

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As we continue to slide towards more entrenched[br]levels of social conflict and state repression,

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it is vitally important that our movements[br]develop stronger ties with those comrades

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who’ve been captured and kidnapped by the[br]state.

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Not just for the benefit of those trapped[br]behind bars, as important as that is, but

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also as a way of demystifying prisons for[br]those of us on the outside, in order to hone

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our capacity to resist.

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So at this point, we’d like to remind you[br]that Trouble is intended to be watched in

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groups, and to be used as a resource to promote[br]discussion and collective organizing.

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Are you interested in starting a regular letter-writing[br]night for political prisoners, providing material

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support to those organizing on the inside[br]or fighting against the construction of a

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new detention facility in your town?

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Consider getting together with some comrades,[br]organizing a screening of this film, and discussing

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where to get started.

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Interested in running regular screenings of[br]Trouble at your campus, infoshop, community

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Just a note that shortly after being interviewed[br]for this film, Sean Swain was transferred

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across state lines from Ohio State Penitentiary[br]to the Nottoway Correctional Center, in Virginia.

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You can write him at his new address:

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For additional resources on writing to political[br]prisoners, check out the screening kit for

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this episode, available on our website.

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We’re going to be taking a month off to[br]work on another project... but after that

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be sure stay tuned for Trouble #21, where[br]we’ll take a closer look at anarchist approaches

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to anti-colonial and anti-imperialist struggles.

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Now get out there…. and make some trouble!