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our weekly video hangout series.

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I think... let's see, we started a little bit off[br]time so I'll say it again.

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Welcome to GV Face, our weekly video hangout series.

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Today we are celebrating the 25th birthday

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of the World Wide Web. Pretty exciting.[br]That was on Wednesday.

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We've got a really all-star lineup of guests

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on today's program.

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Moving from left to right we have

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Alan Emtage, a very special guest who is

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gonna talk to us about his

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very special creation of

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the first web browser.

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We have Jeremy Clark in Montreal. Jeremy is a technical director at Global Voices.

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Josh Levy from Free Press

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in Massachusetts in the U.S., and Renata Avila,

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campaign manager for The Web We Want

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Creative Commons extraordinaire, and

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[?] Starr who is joining us from Berlin. Welcome, everybody!

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So we wanna just start today's

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show by talking a little bit about

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the World Wide Web and the Internet, 'cause a lot of people think that they're the same thing

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when actually that's not quite true

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wanna first turn to Jeremy I'm

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and just ask chair could you break it[br]down for us

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like I thought that the internet was[br]invented in the seventies but

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if it's the 25th birthday have the[br]weapons

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what does that mean okay

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well the best place to start I think is

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the internet who has existed in various[br]formats

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since the 1970s as he say up but it was[br]the web that made it really enter our

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homes

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and so understanding the relationship is[br]important

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so the internet was invented by the US[br]government in a lot of sense is

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a mix of military in science funding I[br]that developed the network at the actual

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computers

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that can communicate with each other[br]over wires

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arm now another related technology that[br]is

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also comprise that built into the bad

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is called hypertext and that is the[br]notion

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out documents that can link between each[br]other immediately

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without having I to go and fetch a[br]separate document

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arm so there were lots of system since[br]the nineteen sixties

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that we're trying to implement hypertext[br]like that to do with an example

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up but all of them where commercial[br]expensive closed

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and none of them were very popular so[br]Tim berners-lee

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who is the inventor of the Internet I I

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though web obviously the World Wide Web[br]arm

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put those two things together by[br]building a service that runs

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on top of the Internet and he called it[br]the World Wide Web

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soul what the World Wide Web is is

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be decentralized hypertext I

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engine that we used I to communicate[br]between

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computers our web pages so

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what makes up web is three things

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URL's or you our eyes universal Resource[br]Locator

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which are the addresses we use to find[br]things on the web

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Bob HTML which is the Hypertext Markup[br]Language

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I which is the way that be information[br]is stored and sent

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so that we can then used browsers to

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view HTML and then all the documents

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can be understood and then also

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they display the links so that the[br]Hypertext part if it works and we can

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jump around from page to page

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I'm the final part is HTTP which is the[br]Hypertext Transfer Protocol

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which is the communication method by[br]which the different computers

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can talk to each other and send be

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I HTML documents back and forth[br]depending on the URL's

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arm so when he built it there were some[br]very important things that he built into

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this system

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that didn't exist before and the main[br]one is

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universal of worship so he always[br]intended

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that anyone would be able to access[br]these web pages

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and anyone would be able to add their[br]own web pages without asking for

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permission

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I with the X very explicit special[br]condition that anyone can link to any

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other web page

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without permission previous hypertext[br]systems

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required that basically for you to link[br]to me I have to accept that link can

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probably create a link back to you

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and that was the required on the web[br]which gives us a lot of freedom to make

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the people we who wit wouldn't want us

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to be able to link them for example so[br]no one can say I'm putting up tree

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content but you

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can't send your readers here because I[br]hate you et cetera

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are the other one is that you made it[br]completely completely 3

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so in the world a mentor in world them[br]programming

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the most free thing is generally[br]considered to be the GPL

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open source free software licenses and[br]Tim berners-lee actually almost use the

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GPL because he wanted that what web[br]software he was building to be free

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but at the last minute yes he changed[br]his mind made it call public domain

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because in certain ways the GPL is[br]actually more respect

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restrictive because it forces other[br]people like certain commercial actors

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wouldn't have wanted to use

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web technology if it were GPL so he made[br]a full public domain

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and then from there when I'm to make all[br]of the standard size

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open and I general and three as possible

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are so that's my extremely brief history[br]internet if anyone is curious

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he wrote a wonderful book called weaving[br]the web about his experiences

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as you can see its short and he

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highlighted interesting technical[br]information in it without

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I'll it being overwhelming it's very[br]approachable and he's a really

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interesting person ended the book is[br]much better than his tweets which are

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usually

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in procuring all

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crowded thank coach that's great chair

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I mean I think that that helps on in[br]conversations about

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internet policy in Internet governance[br]there's a lot of emphasis

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on the ability to kinda creepy

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innovate without permission like for[br]everybody to

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be able to build parks a the web and

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and what you just laid out for us makes[br]it clear how important

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a web peace up the infrastructure is for[br]that

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for that capacity to become a real[br]tangible thing and somebody that

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something that now we can do you know we[br]don't have to have

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technical expertise to kindness build[br]our own

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our own spaces there I'm so I'm

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if I can add just one more thing sorry I[br]as want to give a couple examples the

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things that happen over the internet[br]that arent to bad

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because that was the actual I miss a[br]question so

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one example would be torrents where York[br]the cookie to computers connect to each

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other

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and stream information directly without[br]any URL's

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being mixed into the process I'm another[br]one is email at its core

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is its own communication protocol that[br]doesn't have to use the web although we

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often use

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web sites to access and manage our now

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arm and then another one was the one[br]right before the web came out

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them a very popular protocol was called[br]go for which

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people liked and sort it worked like the[br]where'd you just surf around and find

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things

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but it actually became commercial right[br]around the time

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that the web came out so people have[br]would have had to start paying and

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instead of having to pay

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they switched to using HTTP a shemale[br]and the world but

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thank you so I want to move to Alan now

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I'm how I couldn't bill the first

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search engine

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and I'm kinda like

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overwhelmed and feel sort of like giddy[br]and nervous

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having apparently speaker her big deal

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I'm salome just I

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you could tell us cuz I think a lot of[br]people don't know about archie

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on it would be really cool just to hear[br]about

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E all you sir what you were doing that[br]made you decide

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should to do this and kinda what it was[br]like and then

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mean everything you've seen sense[br]unfortunately

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where time limited but welcome you know[br]therapy

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well arm I well that was lacking that

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19 I 89 and

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a I was working out as a system and[br]mentorship therefore I am getting worse

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there's no cracks chips

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McGill University and I'm I A

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was responsible for getting all software[br]for one on my responsibilities

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getting software for the faculty and the[br]students

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are and at that time there it three[br]major protocols on the internet this is

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pretty where

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I'll was I world's

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telnet which would allow you to log into[br]a remote machine

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email I which allow you to communicate

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I with one what we do know 10

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me more machines your and

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FTP which was the File Transfer Protocol[br]which allowed you to move

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Wow data files or file was from one[br]which

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one sheet to another and at the time[br]what we had was

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people had me it remember it was a non[br]commercial Internet

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time actually commercial traffic was[br]forbidden on the Internet

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time because it was run by the National[br]Science Foundation

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was using educational money and[br]therefore

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other than companies with research arms[br]like ID and I'll

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and HD and those kinds of things we[br]didn't have any commercial traffic on

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the Internet which

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why would a seems kinda amazing to even[br]think about

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and I so what people who did

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were out to provide are three states on[br]your machine

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remember you know at the time a big a[br]big

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this will be a megabyte you know I'll[br]and so people would provide

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common a or depositary still

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that that you could deposit I'm

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programs that you had written and I'll[br]data files

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and documents back in stock into the[br]central repositories

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that will spread around the internet[br]that other people can then

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you cheaper and so I spend a lot of my[br]time trying to locate software

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or the information that means that[br]students in the Faculty are trying to

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find

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and I got tired and since I'm easy and[br]the geek

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I A arm I A I

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automated the process a got instead of[br]doing it manually

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I had a bunch in scripts wake up in the[br]middle of the night every night

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and go all index these files

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now remember all of this was just file[br]listings it's not like we will it's not

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like a

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I'll search engine will be today I if[br]yes

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just I just found it's all it was bonds

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and so what they would do with it would[br]go out every night

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yes all the file names and all the[br]repositories allow you to search

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those lists a plummets I only used it[br]for myself

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I only used it I'm for my own

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for my own personal use on at one point[br]my eyeballs was also

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all students at your grad student at[br]University I'll

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let peter deutsch lettin you know that

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I'm somebody was asking for you know to[br]date could

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somebody tell them where arm

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emails pretty creepy software was and

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I we from we see

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you know he came in ASCII you at this[br]database iniki mostly

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if I I could help out tonight gave it to[br]him in it you know

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Pakistan pack a minute later I had the[br]information and so he put this

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yeah posting online and I'll

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people then started asking well you know

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can you find this from Ian in all these[br]manual request

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basically either through email or Usenet[br]postings which is what we're using

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time and he thought was a silly that's[br]not quite doing these things manually

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one week just allow people access

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to the database itself and in a moment[br]of insanity

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I we have to come up with a name for it[br]and I said okay well let's just call it

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archie which is our client without be[br]and dad are

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and with a no vote so out both here for[br]months

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we were consuming what's happened all[br]high quality traffic to Eastern Canada

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on as this search engine became his[br]people

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you know work now I you you know people[br]who know RGR

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generally people up a certain age I[br]won't mention what what ages but

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and it's generally people who were in[br]university or working

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on the internet so it would have been[br]researched people people in academia

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I in the early 90s orgiastic for

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about I am a.m.

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five years for five years %uh and

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only in next st PE archives it never

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I'll index where now I went on

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as or TJ popular and I got one ball in[br]the standards policies not gonna stop I

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worked

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of very closely with Tim berners-lee to[br]I am

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to standardize for example I did the and[br]Graham

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media the standard-setting body to the[br]Internet DCI 88

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I to standardize URL's because

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10 had come up with a set of above rules[br]the world and the

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as me looked at expanding that's larger[br]range

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out %uh resources we realize that what[br]rules did not

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on a ver all cases so we worked

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for our 10 brought that specification[br]his original specification to the

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to group and we worked on it for I don't[br]remember

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might not see a year or so it come up[br]with a standard for you or else so all

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of those you're also use

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day in and day out world were[br]standardized as a result

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all what many so it was I it was a[br]really exciting time

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it was at time out by you know the[br]question I always get is why did

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I make a billion dollars of a bit and I[br]keep reminding people that

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are mostly people who are pioneers with[br]the accepted Mr

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edmark and Jason arm or

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didn't make a whole lot of money off[br]with the squirrel

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the switch in the plains we were working[br]in an environment which

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I'll put a premium on I'll

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you're getting the technology out there[br]making it is widely available as

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possible

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I tens big coup with Sharon which is the

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organization that work for when we first[br]develop where

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was two guests earned to put I'll

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the the HDD where software that he[br]agreed

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into the public to me all so it wasn't[br]even choose to give away

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it was surgeons property as it as an[br]employee

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he it was actually belong to Sir and[br]down

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I she he actually convince them to be[br]able to

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but in the public domain what's what[br]really all

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17 Center with a firearm with the whole

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so I'll at the time the the

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philosophy behind it it's really let's[br]get this out there this is a brave new

0:15:48.409,0:15:52.219
world we don't know what's what all this[br]technology can be used for

0:15:52.220,0:15:56.199
I don't think any of us including 10[br]imagine what it would become

0:15:56.198,0:15:59.729
a you know he he always had a much[br]grander vision a bit

0:15:59.730,0:16:04.579
but I don't I I can guarantee you I[br]spent many many many many in our

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and I with David sandbar is changing it[br]then and I can't guarantee you that

0:16:08.860,0:16:11.980
he did not suit anymore certain

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I'm I should dare and

0:16:15.078,0:16:19.099
you know he even he I don't think having[br]idea that it would

0:16:19.100,0:16:22.899
a CD take over the world attack the[br]world's population will be using this

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system or

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he created twenty years later to anybody

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or thank you so much I mean so

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speaking and threats yeah it has I'm

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changed and I guess

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taken over in a way I that me

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that mean I'm sure wouldn't have[br]expected a

0:16:46.009,0:16:49.088
I wanted to now move to Josh

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and judge were not I'll cool are both

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perini I'll who

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very committed involves

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leaders and what is now become

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a global at for two

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mean the way it was surprising in to[br]save the Internet or preserve and

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protect

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to open this on and all up to

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right to tree expression access

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on and up also privacy that have

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that me all would feel are embedded[br]actually

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in the way that it was bill so

0:17:30.400,0:17:34.710
Josh I wonder if you could explain to us[br]really briefly what

0:17:34.710,0:17:39.179
your where your role is in your[br]organization and then also

0:17:39.179,0:17:43.650
on tell us about the web we want[br]campaign

0:17:43.650,0:17:47.880
and explain you know how you think this

0:17:47.880,0:17:51.610
rights movement is is shaping up and

0:17:51.609,0:17:55.678
and if you can kinda link it with[br]everything that Allen just laid out for

0:17:55.679,0:17:56.120
us

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out to be really wonderful although my[br]best so

0:18:00.349,0:18:04.369
my name's Josh levy I'm from Free Press[br]where

0:18:04.369,0:18:09.099
us-based organization we advocate for

0:18:09.099,0:18:12.599
better technology media policy that[br]allows

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or an open Internet or better[br]representation

0:18:15.660,0:18:18.910
people in the media including in and an[br]immediate

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thats online and for open access

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information and this Asian ever talk[br]method

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anniversary at the web has really[br]central to our work because we've been

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fighting

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for example to you at past

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strong mentality policies here in the US[br]for years

0:18:38.089,0:18:41.819
at basically ever since the issue first[br]came up with the mid 2000's

0:18:41.819,0:18:44.819
missile big internet service providers[br]blocking

0:18:44.819,0:18:48.379
trafficking coming from their[br]destinations and

0:18:48.380,0:18:52.270
that fight is ongoing the FCC to better[br]communications commission here in the US

0:18:52.269,0:18:52.849
which

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is charged with overseeing[br]communications and technology policy

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past rules in 2010 they were intended to[br]protect me chali but we're passing our

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in a way that we knew what was gonna[br]hold up in court

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anywhere as unfortunately we saw that

0:19:09.519,0:19:13.720
happened earlier this year when I court[br]in Washington DC

0:19:13.720,0:19:16.509
throughout those roles effectively[br]throwing out any net neutrality

0:19:16.509,0:19:18.140
protections that people have

0:19:18.140,0:19:21.540
and so this gets back kinda but Jeremy[br]were saying

0:19:21.539,0:19:24.678
the internet versus the web right so[br]when we're talking about net neutrality

0:19:24.679,0:19:26.330
which I have a lot of people

0:19:26.329,0:19:29.389
heard about this on Sat that you should[br]be able to access

0:19:29.390,0:19:33.320
any information on why online without[br]anybody getting in the way

0:19:33.319,0:19:36.519
out with it that's a big company or the[br]government

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an that is essentially

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that's it a policy that applies to the[br]Internet to the ways in which all are

0:19:45.160,0:19:48.390
computers connect with each other and we[br]have this basic understanding

0:19:48.390,0:19:52.610
that the internet should be reno it[br]meaning that my computer should be able

0:19:52.609,0:19:57.038
next yours into this well networked[br]computers without any entity

0:19:57.038,0:20:00.950
inspecting the traffic trying to[br]understand what you're trying to access

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and based on that are in a blog so it[br]doesn't like the video watching slowing

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it down our

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denied application using walking it that[br]that should be totally unacceptable we

0:20:10.869,0:20:12.029
should be able to net

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to whatever we want in whatever way we[br]want and that includes using the web

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rights to the web

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is basically an application that ride[br]over the Internet

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the internet says global network the[br]weather is just one application that

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uses that

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or network and so it is essential net[br]challenged essential using where the

0:20:28.650,0:20:33.090
as as we've seen today using the web is[br]so essential to all our lives

0:20:33.089,0:20:36.759
and big companies and governments have[br]so much power over it

0:20:36.759,0:20:41.029
bad at the inn block alright things[br]political speech

0:20:41.029,0:20:44.089
video that you want to watch features a[br]cat there so

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I'm anyway so that's what the press is[br]doing in large part is trying to protect

0:20:47.429,0:20:47.940
that notion

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net neutrality and wall added that fight

0:20:51.759,0:20:54.839
came a number campaign link their at me

0:20:54.839,0:20:59.019
stock so it was that bad copyright[br]they'll your get your the US

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and after that you know realization I[br]think here the US around the world that

0:21:02.890,0:21:03.650
we are needed

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I each other a little bit or those of us[br]who have been

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advocating for reopen it for a long time[br]and so we started doing that

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repressed led the development and[br]wrapping up something called the

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decoration etc reno

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which was a simple statement of[br]principles out they are right to access

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information online

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and Adam backing up really fruitful[br]relationship with Tim berners-lee

0:21:25.750,0:21:29.058
organization the world wide web[br]foundation

0:21:29.058,0:21:32.649
and we discussed ways in which we could[br]move that effort

0:21:32.650,0:21:35.660
forward this you that declaration effort

0:21:35.660,0:21:39.880
to involve more troops around the world[br]more people around the world

0:21:39.880,0:21:43.890
and shit guarantee that we all have[br]access to information

0:21:43.890,0:21:47.390
and that that access and the principles[br]behind it

0:21:47.390,0:21:51.299
are not a demanded any one country or[br]anyone

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it also added that in this great project[br]the web we want which we're not going to

0:21:56.369,0:21:57.869
tell you more about

0:21:57.869,0:22:00.909
which is seeking to do just that to you

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pass laws around the world that will[br]protect people's right to access the

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internet

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into to access content on the web[br]without anybody getting in the way

0:22:09.349,0:22:14.319
and its its building steam very very[br]quickly

0:22:14.319,0:22:17.200
we are working with countries around the[br]world developed their own set of

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principles regarding the webinar rights[br]on it

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and organizing lot smarter organizations[br]that it really excited

0:22:23.900,0:22:28.720
by getting involved in this effort and[br]art remote uniting

0:22:28.720,0:22:32.660
gross we're all fighting the same by[br]departs the world is

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had come to light so I let me not to[br]tell you more about that

0:22:37.890,0:22:41.120
and hello everyone everybody'd 3d

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want me here a solo the way we want

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it would be set luncheon of a

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a very important group of organizations[br]FMC society and we'll

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mention other then and Eve access

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that many of us are from you every EPC

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athlete Brett from the US its leader in[br]jordan Eberle

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the open-source Association dorgan as[br]well

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and a consumers international

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and article nineteen that's the only[br]thing about God's mercy O

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I V 40 gb/s public knowledge she in the[br]US

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and me we have the we got the[br]confirmation that

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Open Knowledge Foundation which has[br]affiliate is over

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war doing this book ASO

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basically they can be what we are trying[br]to achieve a here

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you do and more from their reactions[br]because the

0:23:43.369,0:23:47.529
reactions that lets users say you you[br]outcropping approach

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you have a positive agenda like this a[br]first

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in different countries and a note so[br]nobody

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and what happens is usually the we got[br]together let me know and we reacted

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badly to his nation be

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alls a everybody either and

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specific purpose a interest what very[br]creative

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but not so well-informed legislator

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and in so you the last

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let's say five years we have seen so[br]many mobile stations

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against against against so we think that

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yeses want to have a a reaction bad[br]legislation but he's much more effective

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the

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also people to use the Site a nobody

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XTS is a be understood us the whole

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18 works Bentley FB you should be using[br]the Internet government but seems as a

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few

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moline everyone enough I well rights

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and so and we would have a deeper and

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DVD sandifer Nationals it to achieve[br]that

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their personal be in Ben's work in[br]specific countries

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wieder it we a you get all the Advisory[br]Committee

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so that there's something going on there[br]some movement in society in there so

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action there it is sOooo believe the[br]country's between the

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week at that decided you get that first[br]it

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and got to use a button and more[br]stronger support

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from the one a what we won by Jenson[br]would be

0:25:22.349,0:25:26.619
just bad Indonesia Philippines India[br]found that they expressed to you

0:25:26.619,0:25:32.079
it with your YouTube the UK Nisha aunty[br]react Kenya

0:25:32.079,0:25:36.069
and so happy so as you see each other

0:25:36.069,0:25:40.480
mostly condition that no one cell[br]outside the UK be good you

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a saw an opportunity there yes well so[br]that every Christian

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rights and be very interesting to see[br]how the deterioration

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rights in the country even had been[br]taken in a democratic country villa

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in years has been very extreme is that[br]is really

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affecting the region Anna apart from you

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a in Ben's work that we have blended[br]national dialogue scene is going to say

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warm it well and we have also and we are[br]left

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1820 parts of March a meeting routes as[br]well

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at the meeting Lance %uh it for everyone[br]to apply

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so you don't need to be an NGO you don't[br]need to be a

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a an expert like that for these plants[br]when we will these

0:26:25.740,0:26:29.500
normal people Archies musicians everyone

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it to be involved in the simple a.m.[br]request once the celebrated are key

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or working with but at the same time[br]that was celebrated with

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the start a conversation on what we do[br]what we want what he's in what do you

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think that

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what a which by any means and which a.m.

0:26:47.960,0:26:52.029
for we want it you which way we want to[br]protect it with no

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wanted that free and open when and so it[br]can be something

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ass as a symbol that that screen and in[br]the published

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week space it can be something more[br]elaborate it like that like a

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well at your local library it can be[br]anything you want you can be given that

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spoke during the meeting love with Celia

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a it dozen people whether whether a[br]person's

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in it for you and what also

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we know that we can know the bottom a[br]those fighting against

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so we have a but it would response a

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grants and these rapid response plans[br]have for

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it we it have I didn't buy that[br]sometimes the make some be

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happened in its own resources especially[br]in some punches in the levels out so

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for example did think about that very[br]bad surveillance local

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last Ian nicaragua so these rapid[br]response

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a which will be open during the whole[br]give me love activist see

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nascent me very bad things happen

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and we think that if we it got another[br]Google

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people together and we read the

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and it lets in the evening get assure PD[br]about that

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we have a good chance to as she that[br]their opinion

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our site there's decided rights and so[br]that would be open as well

0:28:14.019,0:28:17.869
it would be that would be up in the or[br]so at my and March

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and you will be we may not be too late[br]for year

0:28:21.150,0:28:25.759
and what we will at she but the end of[br]the year is that very interesting

0:28:25.759,0:28:29.339
and when it should have experience we[br]will see it

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and that web it went well

0:28:32.579,0:28:36.589
people won't in a specific country with[br]more intense the

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follow-up mechanism and I N O win as a[br]scene which techniques

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I did this for rapid response went their[br]separate you know of any Burnett

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it by adding the collection experiences[br]from the rapid response plans

0:28:50.599,0:28:53.679
and as a wee wee letter from at ways to[br]engage

0:28:53.680,0:28:58.120
uploader Monique use a in our topics in[br]our issues

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so I I am very hopeful that especially[br]artists

0:29:02.069,0:29:05.409
very creative activists it went for

0:29:05.410,0:29:08.490
I'm ways to engage in a broader public[br]because the

0:29:08.490,0:29:12.259
need a he's ours and their

0:29:12.259,0:29:15.849
future eat the Benson also Serafini and[br]more

0:29:15.849,0:29:19.959
it people invited me despite more was[br]the strong and you get

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a a at last I i will.

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and we'll elected by everyone to

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to being a slick here the way that you[br]can gauge to use

0:29:33.069,0:29:36.700
i'm nina and need to apply for these[br]grants will

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not only pure bedford is Lansing to make[br]in 20

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I it you only if you want to write an[br]article

0:29:44.569,0:29:48.869
you are an expert in specific topics it[br]he's great articles

0:29:48.869,0:29:52.299
News shared knowledge with people and[br]peace it engage in that

0:29:52.299,0:29:55.700
them yet but that the egos headed

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here where author sauce and the Internet[br]offers those

0:29:59.269,0:30:02.609
use them for two people communicate and[br]panicking and borders and they've been

0:30:02.609,0:30:03.000
there

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it's lonely here a.m. the list that[br]phone

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it which is not that a website but he[br]said that

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on and made of the connecti that he's[br]ready to

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jumper and and do

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think actions to say that with any[br]moment that using in the

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let so yes

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what's it you well

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thanks that's really I think it's great[br]to serve to have that out there for

0:30:32.119,0:30:33.519
people to understand

0:30:33.519,0:30:36.660
all the way so they can get involved

0:30:36.660,0:30:40.558
wanting right so in thinking about how[br]can we make

0:30:40.558,0:30:43.680
a little show today that would celebrate[br]the web

0:30:43.680,0:30:47.130
I couldn't help but think about Global[br]Voices

0:30:47.130,0:30:50.490
because that's what brings us all[br]together here

0:30:50.490,0:30:55.329
and I think that our community and so[br]many ways

0:30:55.329,0:30:59.000
I mean we couldn't exist we wouldn't[br]exist without the web

0:30:59.000,0:31:03.579
but doctor also so many on particular

0:31:03.579,0:31:07.699
attributes ovett in when it comes to[br]access and openness that

0:31:07.700,0:31:11.500
allow us to do all the things that we do[br]like including this

0:31:11.500,0:31:16.359
hang out right now I'm so I wanted to[br]ask

0:31:16.359,0:31:19.819
although we're really short on time so[br]I'm gonna have to asking to be super

0:31:19.819,0:31:20.460
presh

0:31:20.460,0:31:24.460
but chair you I kinda I said is there[br]could you talk

0:31:24.460,0:31:29.670
a little bit about what with if you look[br]at Global Voices

0:31:29.670,0:31:32.890
answered the way that it's grown-up on

0:31:32.890,0:31:37.450
with the Internet you've been here since[br]the beginning so you can kinda wish

0:31:37.450,0:31:40.620
just tell us tell us a bit

0:31:40.619,0:31:43.909
okay well I I actually haven't been

0:31:43.910,0:31:47.220
where at Global Voices since the very[br]beginning

0:31:47.220,0:31:51.009
but I joined near the start so maybe you[br]can see on my screen

0:31:51.009,0:31:54.019
Global Voices we started actually in[br]2005

0:31:54.019,0:31:57.119
I and one of the great things about the[br]story

0:31:57.119,0:31:59.419
is that it was started

0:31:59.420,0:32:02.590
quickly in easily I by ethan Zuckerman

0:32:02.589,0:32:05.899
arm who set up the original site I

0:32:05.900,0:32:10.070
along with Rebecca MacKinnon who out[br]worked on the idea content and so

0:32:10.069,0:32:13.720
they actually used word press which is[br]this system we still use today

0:32:13.720,0:32:18.200
and which is very similar to the web in[br]a lot of sense is

0:32:18.200,0:32:23.049
I because it's a distributed project[br]people all around the world develop it

0:32:23.049,0:32:26.210
its open source and it's free and it is[br]so

0:32:26.210,0:32:30.470
not by convenience but by very explicit[br]philosophy and they're very active in

0:32:30.470,0:32:31.350
defending Mac

0:32:31.349,0:32:35.240
arm and also in another way I originally

0:32:35.240,0:32:40.220
I at the time there was a very popular[br]free software called movable type

0:32:40.220,0:32:44.430
which became commercial and instead sign[br]a paper at people

0:32:44.430,0:32:48.400
switch to Word Press I'm so this was our[br]original website

0:32:48.400,0:32:51.650
we later redesigned it several times I

0:32:51.650,0:32:55.740
and over the years we have grown with

0:32:55.740,0:33:00.730
I Word Press to at take advantage of the[br]new features

0:33:00.730,0:33:06.750
and I keep running our site and sell[br]running are

0:33:06.750,0:33:11.410
our whole infrastructure on this very[br]decentralized open source model has been

0:33:11.410,0:33:14.700
I really rewarding experience for us are[br]just as

0:33:14.700,0:33:18.220
using the web has then obviously I there[br]what are the most interesting

0:33:18.220,0:33:22.430
things is that Global Voices is all[br]about the web without the web without

0:33:22.430,0:33:22.980
that

0:33:22.980,0:33:26.539
decentralized of the ship anyone can[br]write to it there would be no Global

0:33:26.539,0:33:27.129
Voices

0:33:27.130,0:33:31.430
the whole point in little ways as well[br]as to recognize that people all over the

0:33:31.430,0:33:33.900
world were taking advantage of the[br]benefits of the web

0:33:33.900,0:33:37.630
and create one place where you can find[br]it sort of like a archie wise

0:33:37.630,0:33:41.760
I with GE pre web telnet days

0:33:41.759,0:33:44.769
a archive things happening all around

0:33:44.769,0:33:47.879
I've got Google Voice is dead arm

0:33:47.880,0:33:51.120
so yeah no and

0:33:51.119,0:33:54.859
you know we've tried a lot of different[br]infrastructure based around the web over

0:33:54.859,0:33:55.589
the years

0:33:55.589,0:34:00.259
I we you strip all reviews a lot of[br]different online service that is

0:34:00.259,0:34:01.970
obviously like everyone else

0:34:01.970,0:34:05.870
the temptation to take advantage of[br]Google's free offerings has always been

0:34:05.869,0:34:10.159
are part of Global Voices DNA we use[br]Google mailing lists we use

0:34:10.159,0:34:13.349
I all the different things that they[br]make for free

0:34:13.349,0:34:16.809
which is an interesting part of the web[br]because it's not the web that Google

0:34:16.809,0:34:20.518
just happening to give it away but at[br]the company they have a tendency to

0:34:20.518,0:34:22.159
follow the spirit of the web

0:34:22.159,0:34:25.190
I even though they're doing so for[br]commercial reasons

0:34:25.190,0:34:29.309
up but yeah that Mike

0:34:29.309,0:34:32.659
it very brief summary of the history[br]always given how to parallel the web

0:34:32.659,0:34:38.299
thank you I'm afraid we're gonna have to[br]wrap up now but

0:34:38.300,0:34:41.560
just to do that I wanted to ask for

0:34:41.559,0:34:44.980
a couple love kinda final thoughts um

0:34:44.980,0:34:49.969
from from Allen and perhaps also Josh[br]just

0:34:49.969,0:34:53.250
I'm Alan I guess I'm I'm especially

0:34:53.250,0:34:57.440
interested in if there are kinda[br]thoughts that you have on all of the

0:34:57.440,0:35:01.269
activism and advocacy that's taking[br]place around

0:35:01.269,0:35:04.539
fundamental rights on the internet kinda[br]from from

0:35:04.539,0:35:06.130
your own

0:35:06.130,0:35:09.340
unique historical perspective and then

0:35:09.340,0:35:13.700
I wanted to close on by asking or not[br]it's just tell

0:35:13.699,0:35:16.939
ass very little bit about Basle

0:35:16.940,0:35:21.099
I'm since there's also an important[br]anniversary this weekend

0:35:21.099,0:35:25.440
%uh so I'm gonna just let you guys go[br]and then we will

0:35:25.440,0:35:29.269
close-up won't end well arm

0:35:29.269,0:35:33.059
you know I'll I have I haven't been[br]involved

0:35:33.059,0:35:36.889
awesome activists for a for a quite some[br]time now

0:35:36.889,0:35:40.039
year a sort of bernard hogan-howe patrol[br]biatch

0:35:40.039,0:35:44.699
I'll lying around the globe and and at[br]the mall except maybe the nineties

0:35:44.699,0:35:48.759
I but I certainly is its to pay a lot of[br]attention to that stuff

0:35:48.760,0:35:52.220
a I am currently in Barbados right now

0:35:52.219,0:35:55.299
and down it has been really interesting[br]to

0:35:55.300,0:35:58.950
trying out for one example trying to[br]access content

0:35:58.949,0:36:03.519
from United States om all your[br]entertainment content action star

0:36:03.519,0:36:06.750
and II manual to study read but

0:36:06.750,0:36:09.969
a real it but in in practice the

0:36:09.969,0:36:14.269
antiquated models I'll %uh of content[br]distribution

0:36:14.269,0:36:18.349
that we are still holding onto om in[br]this day in age

0:36:18.349,0:36:21.480
where no geographical boundaries and[br]national boundaries not

0:36:21.480,0:36:25.809
on Sat are still very much at once[br]entropies business models

0:36:25.809,0:36:28.849
a get you know our are not things like

0:36:28.849,0:36:32.009
but our internet esta whiten way at it[br]on

0:36:32.010,0:36:35.420
well I see no music industry a seamless[br]happen now for

0:36:35.420,0:36:38.630
ethnic I'm I would certainly from the[br]actors

0:36:38.630,0:36:42.320
on you in terms of keeping the the[br]Internet I'm freaking

0:36:42.320,0:36:45.980
and unavailable its are it's going to be[br]a real challenge I mean it's such a

0:36:45.980,0:36:49.699
important technology now and you have[br]things like a great

0:36:49.699,0:36:53.639
wall are the Great Firewall of China[br]Omni power

0:36:53.639,0:36:57.309
you know russia recently as a while[br]yesterday today

0:36:57.309,0:37:02.699
shutting down I'll using got new laws to[br]shut down access to

0:37:02.699,0:37:06.059
guess at I against hooting I'll

0:37:06.059,0:37:09.199
you know this getting reelected are I'm

0:37:09.199,0:37:12.879
egypt was a real wake-up call for a lot[br]of people on the use of social

0:37:12.880,0:37:13.820
networking

0:37:13.820,0:37:17.230
I'll juju organize an activity on

0:37:17.230,0:37:20.699
people and bring them up onto the sheets[br]so governments are scared this

0:37:20.699,0:37:21.539
technology

0:37:21.539,0:37:24.929
and it's important that we worked really[br]hard to keep it is

0:37:24.929,0:37:28.069
this reason is because they realize that[br]not for me chin

0:37:28.070,0:37:31.720
are you talking to mention you control[br]the people so I'm

0:37:31.719,0:37:35.399
I think it is a strange journey partner[br]people I

0:37:35.400,0:37:39.250
let's just do not want to continue to[br]work are very hard to you

0:37:39.250,0:37:42.730
to stop the battle Austin form below the[br]Legislature's

0:37:42.730,0:37:46.590
summer just another eight rats I mean[br]you know never ascribe to malice what

0:37:46.590,0:37:47.039
will be

0:37:47.039,0:37:52.199
ascribed to incompetence and on these[br]people are just incompetent not not

0:37:52.199,0:37:52.909
malicious

0:37:52.909,0:37:56.809
I'll but they are people who are[br]malicious as well so we have to deal

0:37:56.809,0:37:57.679
with them as well

0:37:57.679,0:38:01.049
but top it's you know it's vitally[br]important the yes

0:38:01.050,0:38:04.420
I nowadays not be these technologies[br]reset

0:38:04.420,0:38:11.420
at the core or culture and the way we[br]communicate on may

0:38:13.190,0:38:17.929
I me others at 10 quickly at

0:38:17.929,0:38:21.480
I think that we read in your interesting[br]moment where

0:38:21.480,0:38:24.789
so many basic knowledge the

0:38:24.789,0:38:28.789
importance on the internet and no[br]nowhere ands

0:38:28.789,0:38:32.920
be impact it's had a on every aspect of[br]our

0:38:32.920,0:38:36.409
culture and and because of that I think[br]we as the

0:38:36.409,0:38:40.199
users at the where into the internet[br]have

0:38:40.199,0:38:44.819
a duty to hold the government

0:38:44.820,0:38:49.039
governments around the world in[br]companies around the world accountable

0:38:49.039,0:38:52.219
and to you its

0:38:52.219,0:38:56.619
urge them and pressure them to protect[br]the openness

0:38:56.619,0:39:00.799
that lies at the core I'll this entire

0:39:00.800,0:39:04.210
name and to protect not just openness[br]but

0:39:04.210,0:39:07.269
also this notion 0 comments thats

0:39:07.269,0:39:10.989
I in our opinion quickly being lost

0:39:10.989,0:39:14.789
this notion that the that the internet[br]and that the web are

0:39:14.789,0:39:17.869
I'll are publicly on and that

0:39:17.869,0:39:22.289
it the activity that takes place on them[br]as activity that we

0:39:22.289,0:39:26.199
undertake net me it that is ours and[br]that is not baby

0:39:26.199,0:39:29.519
mean up the big companies on his[br]platforms

0:39:29.519,0:39:32.710
me undertake the activity so for example

0:39:32.710,0:39:36.340
google has allowed us to do a lot of[br]things Google

0:39:36.340,0:39:39.460
lost by a lot of information extremely[br]quickly

0:39:39.460,0:39:42.679
to connect to each other extremely well[br]he is not working at

0:39:42.679,0:39:46.449
are doing right now but Google's doing[br]all this and

0:39:46.449,0:39:49.509
at while mining the data to get

0:39:49.510,0:39:54.300
selling of that data that data is also[br]creating this historic all

0:39:54.300,0:39:58.340
record up everything then search[br]warrants a online which has been no

0:39:58.340,0:40:02.160
exploited by governments but also by[br]companies as I think it's time for us to

0:40:02.159,0:40:04.379
think about that relationship between us

0:40:04.380,0:40:09.210
and these big companies which is[br]becoming essential part of our

0:40:09.210,0:40:14.570
online experience and have to me the[br]centralized that happen we

0:40:14.570,0:40:17.860
decouple ourselves from these giant[br]companies and take back

0:40:17.860,0:40:22.940
or should I wear so that we are all in[br]this experience in a deeper way and that

0:40:22.940,0:40:26.630
it's not and experience is purely[br]commercial and a commercial transaction

0:40:26.630,0:40:27.970
between us and

0:40:27.969,0:40:31.799
and if a company so that that's a big[br]question spent eight years for travel it

0:40:31.800,0:40:38.800
right solutions but we're hoping that we[br]can start it our station now

0:40:42.860,0:40:47.300
well now now I'm not and now and we go[br]back to something that

0:40:47.300,0:40:52.690
germs set and he left a but that he met[br]means that you did in the

0:40:52.690,0:40:56.099
border Canadian border because the[br]happier

0:40:56.099,0:40:59.679
and now with a while I want to talk[br]about the set that up

0:40:59.679,0:41:03.339
at the end of the day yourself we've[br]reduced

0:41:03.340,0:41:06.630
a number of people who can actually

0:41:06.630,0:41:10.619
eat some countries and not control the[br]internet but you see

0:41:10.619,0:41:14.909
Eden you understand the infrastructure[br]and use it in a way

0:41:14.909,0:41:18.039
that the weekend increase public who and[br]they can

0:41:18.039,0:41:21.710
to help people in extreme situations and[br]10 did

0:41:21.710,0:41:25.539
it these people he said my friend but he[br]kept happy

0:41:25.539,0:41:29.630
battle back to lead the Internet[br]basically

0:41:29.630,0:41:34.269
Mathai said a and palestinian Syrian[br]activities

0:41:34.269,0:41:38.500
and he said i think is the food culture[br]and your clothes he said you know he's

0:41:38.500,0:41:40.619
not that he had not super nationalist

0:41:40.619,0:41:43.819
you keep keep he had trouble lol[br]extensively

0:41:43.820,0:41:48.940
here Rams over two were and he liked[br]that he likes to spend time

0:41:48.940,0:41:53.470
and learning how things water I'll in[br]separate so that you think will

0:41:53.469,0:41:58.169
the computers and he has learned it[br]himself healthy

0:41:58.170,0:42:02.059
up to the gold that it brings the own[br]goal

0:42:02.059,0:42:06.409
then he was a he knows a lot about[br]hardware as well and he knows and

0:42:06.409,0:42:09.589
about we coach or and and he said I'm

0:42:09.590,0:42:14.170
and when he so hey there You or was he[br]so all these

0:42:14.170,0:42:17.750
wonderful things happen and and said he[br]thought the

0:42:17.750,0:42:21.230
Britain's the create hacker space in the[br]baskets

0:42:21.230,0:42:24.510
I don't know how translation what's what[br]in the

0:42:24.510,0:42:28.820
apparently hackerspace what's a very[br]scary Lord forgive CBN

0:42:28.820,0:42:32.039
as is to be and you don't answer me[br]this:

0:42:32.039,0:42:37.989
and they saw it as a threat the people[br]in power grid technology acid great

0:42:37.989,0:42:41.389
who don't plan to control people paso's

0:42:41.389,0:42:44.480
here on the 15 up December

0:42:44.480,0:42:48.750
two years ago they hackerspace with[br]greater

0:42:48.750,0:42:52.409
all the computers where they cannot wait[br]all the things with this month opened

0:42:52.409,0:42:52.739
him up

0:42:52.739,0:42:56.599
and united in wanna be set up Syrian[br]please looking at that

0:42:56.599,0:43:00.299
reedy reader only goal well the nato the[br]delaney

0:43:00.300,0:43:03.730
nuclear weapons or something like that[br]%uh and

0:43:03.730,0:43:06.960
73 he have enough a weighty and he had[br]been

0:43:06.960,0:43:10.240
recently was that he see West the

0:43:10.239,0:43:13.399
in a very very bad reason so did

0:43:13.400,0:43:17.960
orchard treatment but then he was a[br]things through that book I feel

0:43:17.960,0:43:21.220
at thousands of people he was it we[br]passed

0:43:21.219,0:43:24.509
her back to his VM recent we each

0:43:24.510,0:43:27.660
you can imagine how even deep is the[br]civilian prison

0:43:27.659,0:43:31.858
how is this looks like and you he said a

0:43:31.858,0:43:34.880
the conditions get but worse

0:43:34.880,0:43:38.559
a that goes by and the Syrian government[br]once

0:43:38.559,0:43:42.358
out all were resources the last people[br]really

0:43:42.358,0:43:46.819
feed the last people they would take[br]care all are the prisoners

0:43:46.820,0:43:51.120
on the book that last release it has a a[br]health condition

0:43:51.119,0:43:54.259
he's all relief that but

0:43:54.260,0:43:58.560
me yeah what we me happy intrepid[br]building at least it two years

0:43:58.559,0:44:03.690
is the keeping baseball and didn't keep[br]reminding him that we haven't forgotten

0:44:03.690,0:44:06.829
and to keep reminded you that we yeah

0:44:06.829,0:44:11.719
in braided values that he embraces the[br]that support the cause is that he

0:44:11.719,0:44:15.379
seen supports school a been up to

0:44:15.380,0:44:19.400
think you know the you know just been[br]saddened but nothing

0:44:19.400,0:44:23.030
we have been deeply baffled they the 15[br]of March

0:44:23.030,0:44:27.450
what some things are already starting[br]today and what we want is that joint

0:44:27.449,0:44:28.119
action

0:44:28.119,0:44:31.259
a Bleezy mean and

0:44:31.260,0:44:35.460
you can be it do remember bottle and not[br]only battle

0:44:35.460,0:44:40.519
but remember Syria because it seems that[br]because if the new laws media's

0:44:40.519,0:44:44.269
it we don't we don't be a hear about[br]Syria and more

0:44:44.269,0:44:48.179
I mean it's is like good in December[br]been on the popular

0:44:48.179,0:44:52.108
and we we will if we got some timely

0:44:52.108,0:44:55.819
were OK and something is good but[br]neither the symbol

0:44:55.820,0:44:59.870
have well but then a vote no on the[br]suffering and together we to

0:44:59.869,0:45:03.420
wood bats and I'm not sober system[br]administrators

0:45:03.420,0:45:06.769
computer experts and had a fierce

0:45:06.769,0:45:11.050
what I recent so that we only care about[br]journalists in others lots of people

0:45:11.050,0:45:12.300
that somebody will people

0:45:12.300,0:45:16.170
for the future Syria and who would[br]increase in our

0:45:16.170,0:45:19.320
what the we need our solidarity

0:45:19.320,0:45:22.609
I mean let's elect to even you're[br]leaving a gun T

0:45:22.608,0:45:25.759
air which has received a Syrian refugees

0:45:25.760,0:45:30.109
you show your solidarity I know that[br]share on your computer

0:45:30.108,0:45:34.569
mind some appealing but maybe go won the[br]nineteen a computer

0:45:34.570,0:45:37.730
with internet access this refugee camp[br]so they can

0:45:37.730,0:45:41.050
stay in touch with their reluctance that[br]growth may be

0:45:41.050,0:45:45.140
do enough to shark tall coach ashore[br]gathering

0:45:45.139,0:45:48.579
your day I think that that there was no[br]with ways who

0:45:48.579,0:45:52.569
help battle because that's what what but[br]it probably will be between if you must

0:45:52.570,0:45:53.559
be

0:45:53.559,0:45:56.820
so my feeling is that not forget Syria

0:45:56.820,0:46:00.220
not forget that so that free internet if[br]the

0:46:00.219,0:46:03.679
up the internet with the bath and this[br]year and that's

0:46:03.679,0:46:08.529
we might want action what is the web she[br]wants

0:46:08.530,0:46:12.350
where many about on so there is a lot of[br]work to do

0:46:12.349,0:46:16.299
I'm and there are lots of ways to get[br]involved

0:46:16.300,0:46:20.230
Street right about I think you everybody[br]so much

0:46:20.230,0:46:24.800
for coming on today and um

0:46:24.800,0:46:28.039
we hope to see you everybody here and

0:46:28.039,0:46:31.480
out there next week on GB face thanks so[br]much