1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,902 rc3 preroll music 2 00:00:12,902 --> 00:00:18,849 Herald: So the next talk is Mike Bonanno of the Yes Men, and I think we'll just 3 00:00:18,849 --> 00:00:23,400 allow him to get started right away. Mike, please go. 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:28,300 Mike Bonanno: Thank you so much and hello everybody. It's so good to be here 5 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:37,300 participating in the chaos. I can say that I've intended to for years, but finally, 6 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:43,590 maybe due to the pandemic, I'm finally here. So and it's great to to be here 7 00:00:43,590 --> 00:00:53,399 after observing from afar for about twenty five years. Anyway, I was told that the 8 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:59,610 other day that I'm getting kind of old. The Yes Men are elderly now. And so a lot 9 00:00:59,610 --> 00:01:05,309 of people wouldn't, you know, know very much about the types of things or what we 10 00:01:05,309 --> 00:01:09,520 had been doing. And I'll admit I've forgotten most of it myself. So I look 11 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,510 through it, I looked through the archives, just something that would introduce what 12 00:01:14,510 --> 00:01:20,420 we do a little bit. And I found this picture that you see here where I'm 13 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:27,869 holding up an ExxonMobil card, business card. And then Andy, who's the guy that I 14 00:01:27,869 --> 00:01:33,150 work with at the Yes Men, the co-founder of the group is there holding a National 15 00:01:33,150 --> 00:01:38,360 Petroleum Council card. And this is from an event that we were at and I think 16 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:51,010 2009 or so where we went to a conference in Calgary, Alberta, 17 00:01:51,010 --> 00:01:57,640 representing these two companies. We've been weaseling, weaseling our way into 18 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:08,220 events, conferences and sometimes online types of venues for over two decades now 19 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:13,819 and representing people in power. And we do one of two things. Either we do 20 00:02:13,819 --> 00:02:18,629 something satirical and funny in front of an audience that usually thinks we are the 21 00:02:18,629 --> 00:02:27,849 most powerful people in the room, or we do something that is more utopian where we 22 00:02:27,849 --> 00:02:33,480 announce the reality that we might like to see, like in our wildest dreams, what we 23 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:39,879 might think ExxonMobil might say if they suddenly turned around and stopped being 24 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:45,090 some of the world's largest climate criminals and had a kind of reckoning and 25 00:02:45,090 --> 00:02:54,749 woke up and decided to fight climate change. So anyway, there's been a lot of 26 00:02:54,749 --> 00:02:58,169 things that have happened over the last two decades in terms of the media 27 00:02:58,169 --> 00:03:06,239 landscape and the sort of flexibility of reality that have made our tactics more or 28 00:03:06,239 --> 00:03:11,209 less useful. Also, like who's in power politically makes a difference, because 29 00:03:11,209 --> 00:03:16,519 this, the types of things that we do, this kind of mischief we find works pretty well 30 00:03:16,519 --> 00:03:23,329 when there's people who are movable, who's in office. Whereas if you have a total 31 00:03:23,329 --> 00:03:28,640 despotic tyrant, then you have to go to more tactical methods instead of the types 32 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:37,400 of things that we do that are all about, you know, pushing political leaders to 33 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:44,459 change or about sort of bolstering a movement like creating some exciting, fun, 34 00:03:44,459 --> 00:03:51,979 entertaining media that shows us all that the people that we're fighting are 35 00:03:51,979 --> 00:03:57,400 actually really fallible and no different than you and I, despite the kind of power 36 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,389 that they hold. So I'm going to go ahead and play a little video clip here. 37 00:04:01,389 --> 00:04:12,800 Hopefully it works. This is a video clip from our second, third Yes Men film. 38 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Narrator within video: We don't usually get arrested, but ever since the 1990's, 39 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,359 Mike and I have been dressing up in secondhand suits and impersonating big 40 00:04:21,359 --> 00:04:24,520 and powerful people. Actor: Hello, this is Reggie Lambrick 41 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,759 calling. I'm from the "Yes Bush Can" campaign 42 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,200 A: Hi, this is Kinnithrung Sprat from the WTO. 43 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,470 A: My name is Francesco Guerrero A: My name is Brad, I'm Halliburton's 44 00:04:34,470 --> 00:04:42,610 N: We weasel our way onto center stage, at least for a little while. 45 00:04:42,610 --> 00:04:46,460 Rr: Mr. Oswin, you're not even on the directory. You're not even listed. You 46 00:04:46,460 --> 00:04:50,312 don't even have a phone number. A: It's come to that. 47 00:04:50,312 --> 00:04:54,509 Rr: The hoax was an elaborate one. A: For the first time, Dow is accepting 48 00:04:54,509 --> 00:04:58,180 full responsibility for the Bhopal catastrophe. 49 00:04:58,180 --> 00:05:01,449 R: So the prank, which briefly knocked three percent of Dow shares. 50 00:05:01,449 --> 00:05:06,280 N: When the jig is up, it makes the news. R: It's a group of pranksters who call 51 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:09,880 themselves The Yes Men. R: An activist group called Yes Men… 52 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,546 N: It's not the way most people protest, 53 00:05:12,546 --> 00:05:15,924 but it's our way to say no to corporate greed. 54 00:05:15,924 --> 00:05:18,774 pop Oooh! 55 00:05:25,069 --> 00:05:32,300 M: Oops! OK laughing. So, I just want to 56 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:38,699 give a little bit of backstory: I've made three films, three feature docs in the 57 00:05:38,699 --> 00:05:43,939 last 15 years. We released one, it seems, every five years. That's kind of a 58 00:05:43,939 --> 00:05:50,319 compilation of a bunch of the antics that weave the exploits, whatever we want to 59 00:05:50,319 --> 00:05:58,270 call them. But a lot of people ask, well, how do you start doing this? With what 60 00:05:58,270 --> 00:06:04,520 initiative? Why, how? And it all kind of happened by accident. I just wanted to 61 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,780 start out by showing you the World Trade Organization headquarters in Geneva. This 62 00:06:09,780 --> 00:06:14,819 is obviously a pretty large building in one of the most expensive real estate 63 00:06:14,819 --> 00:06:22,960 markets in the world. And how did we get our first major kind of exploit like this 64 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:30,499 was when we when we actually impersonated the WTO. And so this is their 65 00:06:30,499 --> 00:06:36,560 headquarters. This at the time was our headquarters. You can see this little plot 66 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:43,500 here is where we lived. This is a meeting of the OMC, the WTO. And of course, this 67 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:48,490 is the kind of meeting that we used to have. And so people would say, well, how 68 00:06:48,490 --> 00:06:55,729 did you end up representing the WTO on television? You know, on stage? At 69 00:06:55,729 --> 00:07:02,289 business meetings? Here we are standing with several dignitaries in Australia 70 00:07:02,289 --> 00:07:10,099 after a trade conference there. And the answer was, is actually way simpler 71 00:07:10,099 --> 00:07:16,340 than it needs to be. Like a lot of things with social engineering, it's actually a 72 00:07:16,340 --> 00:07:22,939 lot dumber and less technical than people imagine. This is Andy at a computer. At 73 00:07:22,939 --> 00:07:25,719 that thing down there. And that's called that's called the computer. There's a 74 00:07:25,719 --> 00:07:32,849 television in the background, a CRT. We had put up a website called gwbush.com 75 00:07:32,849 --> 00:07:38,779 that was meant to be a satirical website for George Bush, who at the time was 76 00:07:38,779 --> 00:07:44,660 running for president. He wasn't president yet, but you can see that his banner for 77 00:07:44,660 --> 00:07:49,909 his website said valuable, said "education, values, responsibility". It's 78 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:55,936 the banner on the bottom. And then our banner at the top said, "valuable, 79 00:07:55,936 --> 00:08:03,590 educated, prosperous". These are subtle differences, but they're differences that 80 00:08:03,590 --> 00:08:10,229 make a big difference in English because there and of course, in this one, instead 81 00:08:10,229 --> 00:08:16,210 of sitting with his wife smiling in front of the Texas state capitol, he's pointing 82 00:08:16,210 --> 00:08:22,789 his finger at black people. So it was meant to be satirical, but it turned out a 83 00:08:22,789 --> 00:08:30,340 lot of people took it seriously anyway. And it got a lot of press coverage. This 84 00:08:30,340 --> 00:08:38,810 is some old, an old Netscape window, browser window here. And then, sorry, it 85 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:46,000 got a lot of press coverage and then actually, George Bush denounced it at 86 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:53,920 several press conferences and he made it famous, quote, at the time, although he 87 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:59,871 made tons of famous gaffes and at this press conference he said about us, there 88 00:08:59,871 --> 00:09:05,670 ought to be limits to freedom. That was what he was suggesting when they asked 89 00:09:05,670 --> 00:09:10,150 what they should do about us for making this website that look like he hasn't made 90 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:16,540 fun of them. We put up a website at gatt.org, which a lot of people associated 91 00:09:16,540 --> 00:09:21,975 with the World Trade Organization, because GATT, the Global Agreement on Tariffs and 92 00:09:21,975 --> 00:09:30,280 Trade, was the predecessor organization to the WTO and the predecessor, the 93 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:38,100 previously existing agreement. So we had that website. This is actually Bretton 94 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:47,100 Woods where they first set up the GATT, I believe, in 1946. And then of course the 95 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:55,540 WTO building that you've already seen on the shores of Geneva. Now in the early 96 00:09:55,540 --> 00:10:04,040 1990s, the mid late 1990s, there was a big global movement against neoliberalization 97 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:09,599 and neoliberal policies. And the WTO was a big focus of that. And Andy and I were 98 00:10:09,599 --> 00:10:15,570 participating. This is one of the marches that you see of people mostly in the 99 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:22,240 global south who are rebelling against the free market ideologies that were really 100 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:29,170 hurting the poorest of people in many of those countries. And of course, there are 101 00:10:29,170 --> 00:10:36,290 protests like the famous Battle of Seattle, which was famous because it shut 102 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:43,490 down the city of Seattle during a OMC meeting. And this is a great picture of 103 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:49,220 what it's like to be to be there at that event. It was. But unfortunately, we 104 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:53,620 couldn't be there. I mean, Andy couldn't be there to experience this wonderful 105 00:10:53,620 --> 00:11:02,549 feeling of tear gas. And so, feeling left out, we put up a fake website for the WTO. 106 00:11:02,549 --> 00:11:07,994 And again, it's a satirical website, but it's at gatt.org. 107 00:11:07,994 --> 00:11:12,217 And unlike the WTO's web sites that… 108 00:11:12,217 --> 00:11:20,300 The WTO website was very hard to find out how to talk to anybody there. 109 00:11:20,300 --> 00:11:26,480 Although they emphasized their transparency as an organization, they were 110 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:33,100 very hard to actually speak to. And since their web page had literally thousands of 111 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:40,589 pages of documents, legal documents that you needed to be a lawyer to understand. 112 00:11:40,589 --> 00:11:48,730 Ultimately, it wasn't very transparent. And so our web site, on the other hand, 113 00:11:48,730 --> 00:11:55,930 gatt.org, was very easy to hit the contact button and get in touch with what a lot of 114 00:11:55,930 --> 00:12:08,270 people turned out to think was the, were the WTO. Now, that became news and the WTO 115 00:12:08,270 --> 00:12:16,560 issued a press release saying: warning, fake WTO website. And so since they had 116 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:23,610 actually then sent this press release to their entire mailing list, the Google 117 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:33,509 algorithm, which was fairly new at the time, ranked our web site very high in the 118 00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:38,079 rankings just below theirs actually. Without any warnings about it being fake. 119 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:44,639 So many people would go to their real WTO website, would fail to be able to get in 120 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:50,910 touch with them, and then instead would actually come to our website and on our 121 00:12:50,910 --> 00:12:56,410 website, we posted these alerts like fake WTO website, misleading the public just to 122 00:12:56,410 --> 00:13:01,769 make sure that people knew that we that we existed. We wanted to help them help the 123 00:13:01,769 --> 00:13:09,589 WTO do this work of warning people about the fakes, this sort of hall of mirrors. 124 00:13:09,589 --> 00:13:16,600 So once again, the word deplorable gets used in reference to us. This here is the 125 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:24,339 then director general of the WTO whose name happened to be Mike Moore, and he was 126 00:13:24,339 --> 00:13:28,061 from New Zealand, very different. He's a former prime minister of New Zealand, very 127 00:13:28,061 --> 00:13:33,474 different prime minister than they have now, really. But he held a press 128 00:13:33,474 --> 00:13:38,880 conference where he announced that he deplored the fake website and said that 129 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:45,379 they undermine the transparency. And so, of course, we published this on our fake 130 00:13:45,379 --> 00:13:53,510 website as well. And then immediately it gets picked up and widely, widely picked 131 00:13:53,510 --> 00:14:01,019 up by the press. So without actually going to Seattle, we managed to actually engage 132 00:14:01,019 --> 00:14:07,199 the WTO and to get them to talk to us, to address us, and then to get several rounds 133 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:14,030 of media attention that we used to try to redirect traffic to what was happening in 134 00:14:14,030 --> 00:14:20,630 Seattle, to what was happening on the ground with the movement. And actually, 135 00:14:20,630 --> 00:14:24,829 this for us, we've been doing things like this before, but for us this was like a 136 00:14:24,829 --> 00:14:29,510 really big win because we realized, wow, this took very little work. It was a lot of 137 00:14:29,510 --> 00:14:35,550 fun and with absolutely no power - you remember what our office looked like 138 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:47,000 compared to the WTO - we were able to sort of do these moves that would throw a much 139 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:57,380 heavier opponent like judo moves. And so, anyway, we got into it. So many people 140 00:14:57,380 --> 00:15:03,160 then were mistaking our website for theirs, thanks to the sort of internet 141 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:08,709 being so new and the you know, I mean, the web, the world wide web and the way search 142 00:15:08,709 --> 00:15:14,699 engines worked, that we got a lot of email from people, questions like: "Could you 143 00:15:14,699 --> 00:15:21,259 advise me of the relationship of Gibraltar to the WTO?" And this is the Treasury 144 00:15:21,259 --> 00:15:27,870 Department of the Isle of Man asking us this question. So, you know, it's fun, 145 00:15:27,870 --> 00:15:34,579 it's entertaining. Another question might be: "I would like to interview a WTO 146 00:15:34,579 --> 00:15:40,611 spokesperson on South America's new technology sector." By the way, on the 147 00:15:40,611 --> 00:15:46,041 relationship of Gibraltar to the WTO, we explained in detail how Gibraltar was a 148 00:15:46,041 --> 00:15:53,420 rock south of Spain, a really big rock laughs in the, basically, in between the 149 00:15:53,420 --> 00:16:00,360 Mediterranean and the Atlantic Ocean and the WTO is this human construction, 150 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:07,139 imagination organization, very different thing. So we we became experts basically 151 00:16:07,139 --> 00:16:15,680 very quickly overnight. It was a lot of fun. And then finally, we were so good at 152 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,990 it, so good at being the WTO that we started to get invitations. "Can the director 153 00:16:20,990 --> 00:16:26,089 general, Mike Moore, address our conference in Salzburg?" was a question we 154 00:16:26,089 --> 00:16:34,281 got and well, this is Mike Moore. This is what he looks like. And we realize, damn, 155 00:16:34,281 --> 00:16:40,810 we can't we can't possibly be that guy. This is a problem. We can't send him 156 00:16:40,810 --> 00:16:45,910 either. So we wrote to them and we said, well, we can't send you Director General 157 00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:51,191 Mike Moore, but we would very much like to send a substitute. And that's when they 158 00:16:51,191 --> 00:16:57,029 embraced the idea of Andreas Bicklbauer, Dr. Andreas Bicklbauer, which is a name we 159 00:16:57,029 --> 00:17:02,980 got out of the Vienna phone book. Actually, a friend of ours, Hans of Uber 160 00:17:02,980 --> 00:17:09,050 Morgan, had sort of sponsored our trip by leaving some cash on the table of his 161 00:17:09,050 --> 00:17:15,620 apartment and leaving us the keys. So when we arrived in Vienna with our new 162 00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:22,150 thrift store suits, we were immediately ready to go to this conference as the 163 00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:27,010 World Trade Organization. So that's sort of how it happened in the beginning. This 164 00:17:27,010 --> 00:17:33,870 adventure in mischief, which has now lasted twenty years, doing these things in 165 00:17:33,870 --> 00:17:41,000 person was something that just almost sort of like occurred spontaneously. But then 166 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:47,390 once we were onto that and into that, it became quite an energizing and addictive 167 00:17:47,390 --> 00:17:55,200 sport thing that we've got a sportcoat that launched us onto the twenty years of 168 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:00,180 fun and excitement. And we haven't quite landed yet. But I'm worried about that 169 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:07,620 landing because it could could be a rough one. So I want to just frame what we're 170 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:15,480 doing a little more. You know, some of you probably recognize this guy. This is Santa 171 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:22,370 Claus. This is an actual photograph of Santa Claus emerging from a chimney, 172 00:18:22,370 --> 00:18:27,900 looking at a photographer who happens to be crouched in this room in somebody's 173 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:33,620 house. They both had to break in, in order to do this. And so my point here is that, 174 00:18:33,620 --> 00:18:38,930 you know, we love mischief, we love mischief, and we actually even love 175 00:18:38,930 --> 00:18:46,010 trespass. We love breaking in. We love breaking and entering. The stories of 176 00:18:46,010 --> 00:18:53,160 crossing borders, crossing boundaries, changing shape, putting on disguises, the 177 00:18:53,160 --> 00:19:01,410 masquerade. These are the stories that really carry us through history. They are 178 00:19:01,410 --> 00:19:07,450 some of our oldest stories. And this season, with Christmas is no exception. 179 00:19:07,450 --> 00:19:12,510 Now, the stories have been hijacked and manipulated in a number of ways, just as 180 00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:19,181 all information and stories are in our culture and Santa Claus is reckless, break 181 00:19:19,181 --> 00:19:26,621 in in order to leave gifts, have become something hijacked by capitalism, in part 182 00:19:26,621 --> 00:19:31,840 created by capitalism. But the fact that we want to lean on this idea of him 183 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,461 trespassing, I think is that's really important. That's a key to something. So 184 00:19:36,461 --> 00:19:43,720 remember, don't tell anybody, though. Santa Claus will do so. We have this 185 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:49,970 history we see it fitting into something that's sort of common to all cultures, and 186 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:58,150 this is the idea of the trickster. This is often a deity or sometimes it's actually 187 00:19:58,150 --> 00:20:04,950 based on a real historical figure that's more recent. But all cultures have these. 188 00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:09,920 I won't say all, but nearly all cultures have these trickster characters. There's a 189 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:18,280 few listed on this sort of cartoon image here, Kokopelli of the Hopi or the Zooni, 190 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:24,781 which is, you know, in the United States, in North America, Aboriginal people in 191 00:20:24,781 --> 00:20:29,160 North America, Anansi, the spider of West Africa, the Raven and the Pacific 192 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:36,660 Northwest. It goes on and on because they're everywhere. Everybody has these. 193 00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:40,810 And it doesn't take too much digging to find out about your own trickster 194 00:20:40,810 --> 00:20:47,680 character in your culture. And since we're kind of in, I think mostly in Germany 195 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:53,150 right now, and actually my mother is Dutch, so I'm going to stick with, I'm 196 00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:57,770 going to go with Reynard, the Fox or the Fox as a character, as a trickster 197 00:20:57,770 --> 00:21:02,490 character. And so we're going to look at a little bit more history through the Fox's 198 00:21:02,490 --> 00:21:08,050 lens to frame the types of things that we're doing through the eyes of the of the 199 00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:19,570 trickster. Jesus, another trickster. Laughs. And I'm not a big fan, although I am a fan of 200 00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:24,201 some of his original tactics. You know, he rode in on this donkey and this is an 201 00:21:24,201 --> 00:21:28,770 actual photograph of him because, you know, somebody had a time machine and went 202 00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:35,930 back and got this shot of him riding a donkey into Bethlehem. And, you know, this 203 00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:41,051 is like nobody rides a donkey into Jerusalem. Nobody rides a donkey. It 204 00:21:41,051 --> 00:21:45,810 didn't make sense. He did it because he knew that people would talk about it. It 205 00:21:45,810 --> 00:21:54,020 was a symbolic action that was meant to project the kind of humility and make 206 00:21:54,020 --> 00:21:59,660 people tell stories about what happened. So the idea was to propagate this myth, 207 00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:07,080 which, of course, works so well that now we have you know, we have Christianity. 208 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:14,570 But here's Nasrudin riding a donkey backwards a century later. And again, an 209 00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:23,390 original photo. This is sort of a wise aged coming from out of Turkey and part of 210 00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:32,350 Islamic tradition. And again, all these stories, though, are stories of a kind of 211 00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:37,790 wisdom. And these are sort of the reason I say they're Trickster's is that they were 212 00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:43,780 fighting larger powers. I mean, Jesus was fighting the Romans. Jesus was leading a 213 00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:50,930 movement of liberation at the time. It became something entirely different. But 214 00:22:50,930 --> 00:22:55,820 we see the same thing. This version of the trickster, that's Nasrudin is like a wise 215 00:22:55,820 --> 00:23:07,160 man is usually about telling a story where through cleverness and sometimes agility, 216 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,390 a character can outwit others who have more power, who would otherwise exercise 217 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:19,270 power over them. I mean, there are good trickster's and bad, but we like to focus 218 00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:23,930 on the idea of the good trickster, which is those who are fighting power instead of 219 00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:30,481 those who are serving power. So here's another example, a modest proposal. This 220 00:23:30,481 --> 00:23:37,950 is a pamphlet published by Jonathan Swift where he suggested that the Irish eat 221 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:44,370 their babies in order to solve the hunger problem in Ireland. Because, of course, 222 00:23:44,370 --> 00:23:51,270 the potato famine was not a famine that was caused by lack of food in that 223 00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:56,740 country. It was caused by lack of money, as most famines are. The British were 224 00:23:56,740 --> 00:24:01,750 still shipping grains out of Ireland because they made money when people were 225 00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:07,110 starving to death because the potato crops had failed. So this is a comment on that. 226 00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:12,630 Well, why don't the Irish just eat their own babies? And then it was, it's become 227 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:19,720 one of the most famous examples of, you know, English satire in history and 228 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,800 English language that is. This is the seventeen hundreds. So the whole point 229 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,500 here is that this pamphlet, like a lot of this sort of hacking techniques that we 230 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:34,320 end up using now, this pamphlet was like disguising itself as something else when 231 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:40,700 it was first published. OK, I'm going to skip ahead. These are a few pictures of 232 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,890 the women's movement, but I want to get through this stuff quickly. The whole 233 00:24:44,890 --> 00:24:50,500 purpose here is to show you that, again, this obsession with stories with 234 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:57,800 infiltrating with causing trouble, which they did, is something that's constant, 235 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:05,830 has continued to happen, to occur. Hang on a second ... he's showing a low power, but 236 00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:11,530 I'm a power problem. I'm going to have to go and get another power supply because 237 00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:20,900 this one is not working. But this is a group called Climate Rush that was, that 238 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:26,550 was repeating those actions. So I'm going to run off and get another power supply. I 239 00:25:26,550 --> 00:25:33,630 will be back in just a moment. I'm going to leave you with a picture of a Gandy's 240 00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:41,350 saltmarsh. Now, just a minute. This is actually Surmont Sumati Naidu, who is 241 00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:47,270 leading one of the salt marches. I'll be right back. 242 00:25:47,270 --> 00:25:51,450 Herald: I will use this interruption to remind you that you can ask questions at 243 00:25:51,450 --> 00:26:00,720 the hashtag "#rc3one", "one" spelled out as a word on Twitter and Mastodon and also on 244 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:19,550 the IRC. And now we all sing some songs together and wait. 245 00:26:19,550 --> 00:26:37,110 Mike: Hey, everybody, sorry. They are good laughs. 246 00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:39,781 H: Welcome back. M: Thank you. That's not the thing that I 247 00:26:39,781 --> 00:26:47,240 expected to stop working. Never had a power supply just stop in the middle. OK, 248 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:53,170 well, anyway, I was also going to say that a lot of the stuff that we get inspiration 249 00:26:53,170 --> 00:26:59,570 from comes from principles of nonviolence going where you're not supposed to go, 250 00:26:59,570 --> 00:27:04,350 crossing borders. This is, again, trickster tactics. So the tactics of 251 00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:10,140 civil disobedience are the same kind of tactics that we use when we infiltrate and 252 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:16,650 do something in a business meeting. It's doing something illegal, something that is 253 00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:23,650 illegal, but might, of course, have just ends in mind or might even be the right 254 00:27:23,650 --> 00:27:30,500 thing to do. So the salt march in India during the Indian independence movement 255 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:38,500 was where people marched to the sea and made salt, which was illegal because it 256 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:44,730 was being taxed by the British. And it's one of the ways that the British crown was 257 00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:53,880 suppressing the local populations and preventing India from having autonomy and 258 00:27:53,880 --> 00:28:01,380 from being able to break the yoke of colonialism. So, again, the idea was to 259 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:10,360 try to cross those boundaries and to do it in a way that was visible to the world. 260 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:15,910 Another example is the bus protests in the United States during the civil rights 261 00:28:15,910 --> 00:28:24,410 movement. This is a woman actually well before Rosa Parks who this photo here is 262 00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:30,880 of, there was this woman whose last name is Morgan, who - this is over a decade 263 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:37,010 earlier -, who was riding on the bus and refused to give up her seat. And so there 264 00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:42,150 are many, many people doing these sorts of tactics which were really about crossing 265 00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:47,280 these borders, crossing these boundaries. All right. I'm going to move ahead here 266 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:56,990 through a few more slides of occupations, things like the American Indian movement 267 00:28:56,990 --> 00:29:03,100 that was, sorry, this is Indians of all tribes occupying Alcatraz saying this is, 268 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:08,730 this space is ours. This is after the prison had left the island. This is just 269 00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:14,600 off the coast of San Francisco in 1971 and again at Standing Rock, 270 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:20,890 same kinds of tactics, occupation, refusing to move and getting moved by the 271 00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:28,320 authorities and a display of violence that shows really that should in theory at 272 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,540 least be embarrassing for those wielding power when they claim to be benevolent. 273 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:39,510 Billboard alteration, another simple transgression. It's just like going up 274 00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:45,440 there and changing a billboard. Street signs, you can change the street signs in 275 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:52,080 Malcolm X Street, which is something that in the early 90's I was doing in Portland, 276 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,940 Oregon, and this was in protest of them not naming a street for Martin Luther 277 00:29:57,940 --> 00:30:03,190 King. Sometimes it is as simple as changing an existing sign. Like Hollyweed. 278 00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:08,080 I show this because it's a successful campaign. You know, weed is now pretty 279 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:14,080 much legal. Well, it's legal in California and in it will be soon, probably in most 280 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,790 of the United States, if not all. And things like banner hangs, again, going 281 00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:26,090 where you're not supposed to. Getting your message there. If you don't have the money 282 00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:32,370 for a banner, you can draw it on a beach. You can put on a costume like Superbarrio 283 00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:40,580 in Mexico City. This is after the earthquake in 1987. This guy showed up 284 00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:48,830 wearing a wrestling outfit and demanded rights for the poor people in Mexico. And 285 00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:55,400 the neighborhoods that weren't being repaired by the government. And people 286 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:01,080 loved him so much and the media loved him so much. That when he started to challenge 287 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,890 political leaders to wrestling matches, they kind of had to show up and talk to 288 00:31:06,890 --> 00:31:13,070 him. Otherwise, it would be very embarrassing. So this is an example of 289 00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:19,390 using some kind of flamboyant tactic in plain sight to go places you're not 290 00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:26,420 allowed to go. And then again, the masked man, the identity here for the Zapatistas 291 00:31:26,420 --> 00:31:32,840 as a sort of the flip side of that is the obscured identity, you know. Wearing a 292 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,010 mask because you have to. Because you're actually participating in an armed 293 00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:44,940 rebellion. But also this movement of the Zapatistas was really thinking very much 294 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:50,310 about their media image and about presenting their revolution to the world. 295 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:58,200 And having it exists on a global stage. Oh, and here is Comandante Ramona, who's 296 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:04,590 the leader of the Zapatistas with Subcomandante Marcos. And again, thinking 297 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:14,340 about who is in charge here. And it's this under five foot tall indigenous elder who 298 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:22,920 is running the Zapatista revolution at the time in 1994. Just one or two more slides 299 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,010 here of other things. To put it all in context, here's a group called the Space 300 00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:34,461 Hijackers with one of their tanks. They had a few they bought a few tanks. It 301 00:32:34,461 --> 00:32:40,440 turns out that in the UK it's not that hard to buy them. And they dressed as 302 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:46,070 these sort of comic riot police. And this was sort of the clown car that distracted 303 00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:53,180 the real riot police who followed them. And then let their other tank roll right 304 00:32:53,180 --> 00:33:01,200 into the largest arms show in the world in London. So sometimes these plots involve 305 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:08,610 decoys, involved many layers in order to access these venues. But this is a picture 306 00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:15,020 of a teddy bear catapult. The fun thing about this, this is that the FTAA, a 307 00:33:15,020 --> 00:33:23,950 protest in in Quebec City, in Canada. And the fun thing about this is that it 308 00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:29,570 created a dilemma for the police. Because the world leaders are meeting inside the 309 00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:35,110 fortress city. Literally, it's the only fortress city in North America. Europe has 310 00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:40,600 a lot of them. But this is at the top of the hill. There's a fort in Quebec and 311 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,920 that's where they were meeting. And, of course, the antiglobalization activists 312 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:51,560 surrounded it and laid siege to it. And one group built this hilarious catapult 313 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,200 and were flinging teddy bears in. And the police were faced with the decision. Do we 314 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,140 arrest? Do we stop the teddy bears from being flung in? And do we arrest the 315 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:06,110 catapult and then look ridiculous walking away with it? Or do we let them keep 316 00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:11,710 flinging? Neither option was a good one. They arrested the activists. And 317 00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:18,110 they then there's this hilarious picture of them hauling around their catapult 318 00:34:18,110 --> 00:34:24,470 teddy bears. If you can't make a catapult, you don't have the means, maybe you have 319 00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:31,730 some bread and you can strap it to your head like in the Egyptian... the recent 320 00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:37,490 revolution in the Arab Spring. Where people were strapping all kinds of things 321 00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:42,759 to their heads to make a statement about the violence that was being perpetrated 322 00:34:42,759 --> 00:34:47,960 against them. Because, of course, the state is saying that they were creating 323 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,379 the violence and the activists were saying, no, we don't even have helmets. 324 00:34:53,379 --> 00:34:58,470 We're going to just strap whatever we have to our head. And it became a hilarious 325 00:34:58,470 --> 00:35:03,980 living meme. Where people are walking around with all kinds of crazy makeshift 326 00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:12,579 helmets. One more image, the flying penis that attacked Garry Kasparov in, I think 327 00:35:12,579 --> 00:35:19,180 what became a very popular viral video for its moment. And you can look this up, but 328 00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:25,300 this is also a warning. Because this phallus, which is flying, it's like an RC 329 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:31,230 helicopter with a dildo attached to it. And this thing, which was flown against 330 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:36,730 Kasparov, who was at the time the strongest opposition candidate to Putin, 331 00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:42,410 could very well be the KGB's flying phallus. So everybody uses these tactics. 332 00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:46,289 And I say that because, you know, it was, it became a really popular and 333 00:35:46,289 --> 00:35:54,880 embarrassing video that was against Kasparov. And so who knows who was behind 334 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:03,609 it. Who was at the controls? So to go back to what we do with the Yes Men. We are not 335 00:36:03,609 --> 00:36:08,369 beneath a few phallic metaphors ourselves because it works really well When you're 336 00:36:08,369 --> 00:36:17,269 trying to impersonate people in power. This is an example of one time when we 337 00:36:17,269 --> 00:36:23,539 went to a conference in Finland representing the WTO and announced that 338 00:36:23,539 --> 00:36:31,339 the WTO's solution to the problem of sweatshops was this thing called the 339 00:36:31,339 --> 00:36:38,380 "Employee Visualization Appendage". Which was a three foot long phallus that had a 340 00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:45,730 kind of heads up display on it, that allowed you to see your remote workers 341 00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:50,470 anywhere in the world. And give them electric shocks. And of course, the 342 00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:56,539 audience loved it because because they thought we were the most powerful people 343 00:36:56,539 --> 00:37:01,490 in the room. At the beginning of the talk, we were wearing business suits and we made 344 00:37:01,490 --> 00:37:06,650 a breakaway business suit that I could tear off of Andy, in one quick movement. And 345 00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:17,630 then this three foot long inflatable phallus was instantly deployed with a CO₂ 346 00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:25,510 cartridge. Inflated in a matter of maybe a second and a half. And this is a story 347 00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:31,500 from the newspaper, the second largest daily in Finland, that sort of 348 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:44,230 explains a little bit about the WTO plans. So I don't know, how well you could 349 00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:53,109 see those videos.Can I get a little feedback on that? Can anybody tell me how 350 00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:58,849 easy it was to see some of the video? H: It looked OK. The sound was great and 351 00:37:58,849 --> 00:38:01,750 the video was very stuttery. But you could do it. 352 00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:06,710 M: OK, so I'll show a little bit more video. I'm going to actually show... I'm 353 00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:12,440 going to skip this one. This is probably the most famous of the things that we've 354 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:20,020 done. It's in our second film, which is called "The Yes Men fix the World". And 355 00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:29,009 you can find that, it's on You Tube, other places, file sharing. And this is 356 00:38:29,009 --> 00:38:38,559 where Andy was representing Dow Chemical on a live television broadcast on the 20th 357 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:45,430 anniversary of the Bhopal catastrophe. And as Dow Chemical, he took responsibility 358 00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:51,411 for the disaster and offered to pay back the victims and meet their demands. And 359 00:38:51,411 --> 00:38:57,559 clean up the plant site. So sometimes you use that tactic where we, if we're given 360 00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:05,339 enough power and we have the right platform, it's incredibly useful to 361 00:39:05,339 --> 00:39:10,440 announce that sort of utopian solution. Or to announce that the company that you're 362 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,940 targeting is meeting the demands that activists have been asking for 363 00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:20,950 years. Because then it puts the company in a real dilemma.They have no good 364 00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:26,140 choice. They either have to say "That wasn't us and we are not fixing the problem that 365 00:39:26,140 --> 00:39:32,470 we created." Or if they ignore it, then they have this disinformation out there in the 366 00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:40,280 universe. That means they have to act. So I'm going to skip that and I'm going to go 367 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,589 to this, which is a more slightly more recent thing. This is also pretty old, 368 00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:50,990 though. This is, I think in our last Yes Men movie called 'The Yes Men Are 369 00:39:50,990 --> 00:40:03,220 Revolting'. And what we're doing here is creating a replica of the stage at the 370 00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:09,519 Copenhagen climate conference. So this is 2009, the COP15. And the reason, we just 371 00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:14,260 wanted to create something that looked enough like it so that we can make 372 00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:20,170 Internet videos to embed in our fake website that would allow us to make 373 00:40:20,170 --> 00:40:26,420 announcements as the COP15 that would, I mean as the official climate conference on 374 00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:32,859 behalf of Canada and Uganda. And I'm going to play a little video here. 375 00:40:32,859 --> 00:40:40,990 Newsreader: Well, while Terry was looking through those documents, the world was 376 00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:46,090 laughing at Canada because of another one. It surfaced as a press release or so 377 00:40:46,090 --> 00:40:52,759 everyone believed. But soon it was clear Canada had been punked. Leslie McKinnon 378 00:40:52,759 --> 00:40:56,589 reports. McKinnon: First, there was this demo 379 00:40:56,589 --> 00:41:03,190 inside parliament. 20 or so protesters who caused a minor stir. Then this Greenpeace 380 00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:09,579 paper, but that got mostly reported as a breach of security story. Neither managed 381 00:41:09,579 --> 00:41:14,549 to get Canada's climate policy as much attention in Copenhagen as today's 382 00:41:14,549 --> 00:41:20,849 multilayered hoax. The day began with this press release announcing the astonishing 383 00:41:20,849 --> 00:41:27,849 news that Canada was suddenly doubling its emission cuts to 40 percent below 1990 384 00:41:27,849 --> 00:41:35,190 levels by 2020 and that it would generously pony up 13 billion dollars to 385 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:39,999 be allocated to the African countries for emissions reduction. Then there was this 386 00:41:39,999 --> 00:41:45,480 article about it on what looked like the Wall Street Journal's website. See then 387 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,220 this, a news conference purportedly by the Ugandan delegate, posted on what looked 388 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:54,960 like the Copenhagen conference website. Delegate: Dearest Delegates. 389 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,339 McKinnon: It looked amazingly real until the speaker compared Canada's oil reserves 390 00:42:00,339 --> 00:42:03,249 to a loaded gun. Delegate: ... and seemed ready to pull the 391 00:42:03,249 --> 00:42:08,920 trigger on millions of us around the globe. You left us no choice but to deal 392 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,980 as criminal. McKinnon: But a press release from 393 00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:15,569 Environment Canada followed, that seemingly deplored the spoof releases and 394 00:42:15,569 --> 00:42:22,030 false hopes. This turned out to be a hoax. In fact, it was all a hoax. 395 00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:24,200 Person 1 in video: I mean, you think it's a game, but it's not a game. It's a 396 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,190 serious situation. Person 2: You're playing games. I'm not 397 00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:28,160 playing games. McKinnon: Truth can be stranger than 398 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,390 fiction. This is the prime minister's spokesman blaiming the stunt on Stephen 399 00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:34,130 Elbo (?) of the environmental group [inaudible]. 400 00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:38,210 Person 2: And I want an apology. McKinnon: And this is also the real thing. 401 00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:41,430 Jim Prentice: I was in the plenary session at the time that this happened, and I 402 00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:43,960 really can't comment any further. Interviewee: Why is it a hoax that Canada 403 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,609 is going to do the right thing? McKinnon: This environmentalist thinks the 404 00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:50,560 whole elaborate joke worth. Interviewee: I had nothing to do with this 405 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,299 one, but I'm really happy that they did it. 406 00:42:52,299 --> 00:42:55,749 McKinnon: As to who pulled this off. There are reports tonight it's a group of 407 00:42:55,749 --> 00:43:00,019 pranksters who call themselves the Yes Men. They say they'll have a press 408 00:43:00,019 --> 00:43:05,470 conference tomorrow, if you can believe that. Leslie McKinnon, CBC News, Ottawa. 409 00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:09,859 Newsreader: Well that climate related stunt is one of many that have happened 410 00:43:09,859 --> 00:43:13,369 lately. Bonanno: OK, so just to wrap that little 411 00:43:13,369 --> 00:43:18,910 thing up. You can see here that we're just in a basement. Basically, these 412 00:43:18,910 --> 00:43:23,700 microphones are just made out of pipe cleaners and electrical tape. We printed 413 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:29,460 out a bunch of you know, we had to make our own teleprompter, print out a bunch of 414 00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:36,670 the logos and paste them up on the wall. We use the reverse shots of the audience 415 00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:42,730 for the videos from other videos that we found already on their website, and it 416 00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:47,750 created this kind of illusion where we could do both the big conference room and 417 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:55,039 the press briefing room fairly easily. So we made several videos and then eventually 418 00:43:55,039 --> 00:44:00,960 we had the press conference the next day, which highlighted mostly the position of 419 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:07,859 the Ugandan participants in this project, particularly Kodili Chandia, who's there 420 00:44:07,859 --> 00:44:17,260 sitting in the middle in that red suit. So I just wanted to show that, because it's 421 00:44:17,260 --> 00:44:21,630 really interesting. And that's, again, it's 10 years old and it was effective at 422 00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:26,890 the... at that moment. And there weren't a lot of people talking about fake news at 423 00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:34,030 that time. But something that people are really concerned about now is whether 424 00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:39,000 these tactics work anymore. And I think it just depends on the context. We found that 425 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,319 sometimes they work really well. In fact, we had a successful action a few weeks ago 426 00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:50,349 that got a lot of attention for the Bank of England's fiscal policy. But they don't 427 00:44:50,349 --> 00:44:55,890 really work very well against a rogue head of state like Donald Trump or something. 428 00:44:55,890 --> 00:45:04,390 There's no amount of satire or kind of like utopian thinking that can work on 429 00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:12,940 that... on that kind of wildcard. So just to end the talking part or the ranting 430 00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:20,680 part, this here we have an image of Renard the fox, which is, of course, something 431 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,109 I'd like to leave you with. And I think getting in touch with all of our trickster 432 00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:29,640 roots is a good thing to do, because when we find the roots, we also find that we 433 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,769 have common ground with everybody else who has trickster characters in their cultural 434 00:45:34,769 --> 00:45:42,559 histories. And this is forever confused, only confuse from below. This is one of 435 00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:49,359 our primary tenets of Confuse-ianism. And we've started a school called the 436 00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:55,809 Trickster Academy. We can talk about that later. OK, I'm going to stop sharing and 437 00:45:55,809 --> 00:46:00,420 talk to you in person. Herald: I think I'm back. 438 00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:03,710 B: Great. Sorry, that talk took so long. I just… 439 00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:05,819 H: That's OK. You had a lot of interesting stuff to say. 440 00:46:05,819 --> 00:46:09,000 B: I got ambitious with saying things. 441 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,162 H: And I think the phrase "the KGB's flying phallus" is one for the ages. 442 00:46:14,162 --> 00:46:17,339 B: Yeah. Yeah. I mean maybe the phallus 443 00:46:17,339 --> 00:46:21,880 people are listen are here now and can come forward and ask a question or tell us 444 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:29,040 who they are. But as far as I know, nobody knows. Could still be the KGB. 445 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,040 H: All right. We have the first questions. Questions. 446 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,166 Why are you guys always such assholes? 447 00:46:36,166 --> 00:46:39,001 B: Yeah, that's a really good question. 448 00:46:39,001 --> 00:46:43,012 We are always such assholes because 449 00:46:43,012 --> 00:46:47,650 we don't care about what people think about us. 450 00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:52,710 I was once at a party where me and my brother had built this giant tower of 451 00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:57,381 chairs in in the swimming pool. Because it was like this fancy place. We didn't get 452 00:46:57,381 --> 00:47:02,849 to go to fancy places like that, and we dive off the giant tower of chairs. It was 453 00:47:02,849 --> 00:47:06,200 great fun and we thought we knew how to have a party, but apparently people were 454 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:12,420 really offended and then somebody lost their golden necklace in the pool. And so 455 00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:17,630 we, of course, were swimming and we went and found it for the guy. And he was so 456 00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:23,559 excited and so overjoyed. He said, I don't care what everybody else thinks. You guys 457 00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:28,980 are OK. So I've always remembered that word of wisdom. And I thought, OK, our 458 00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:34,599 goal is not to make friends with people. Our goal is to get to that place. In fact, 459 00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:38,660 we can be the fall guy for a big organization that's worried about the 460 00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:44,670 reputation. So like if the Sierra Club, big environmental organization, wants to 461 00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:49,900 use the kind of tactics that we do, but is worried that their membership will gonna 462 00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:54,599 be unpleased, then they can get in touch with us and we'll do it for them. 463 00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,999 H: So that's how you finance working on The Yes Men full time? 464 00:47:58,999 --> 00:48:04,590 B: I actually finance it by working at a university, so I still teach at 465 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:10,119 university, but Jacques more than I has financed it through things like that. And, 466 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:15,269 and some of the actions–quite a few of the actions–have been financed by, by 467 00:48:15,269 --> 00:48:19,269 large NGOs like the Greenpeaces of the world. 468 00:48:19,269 --> 00:48:25,089 H: Nice. So people on the Internet want to know if you've ever had to go to jail for 469 00:48:25,089 --> 00:48:29,380 your actions. B: I've never had to go to jail for these 470 00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:35,630 kinds of actions. H: You went to jail for unrelated reasons? 471 00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:41,360 B: I went I went to jail for ice skating once. Seriously, come on. New York City. 472 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,920 I just, you know… 473 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,209 I highly recommend ice skating on Prospect Park Lake. 474 00:48:48,209 --> 00:48:50,320 It was originally built for ice skating. 475 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,426 You know there's pictures of hundreds of people doing it in the 19th century. 476 00:48:53,426 --> 00:48:56,119 But if you do it now, you get arrested. 477 00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:59,071 And they actually take you in overnight. 478 00:48:59,071 --> 00:49:04,379 So you get to spend a night in jail. Which, by the way, 479 00:49:04,379 --> 00:49:08,562 is a very... it's not exclusive, but it's expensive. 480 00:49:08,562 --> 00:49:12,430 It costs the taxpayers $1700 per night. 481 00:49:12,430 --> 00:49:15,512 H: It's a pretty good hotel for this kind of money. 482 00:49:15,512 --> 00:49:21,329 B: Yes. Yes. It's like a five star. 483 00:49:21,329 --> 00:49:26,070 H: So did you read any book about social engineering 484 00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:29,956 or did you just wing it until you figured out all the tricks? 485 00:49:29,956 --> 00:49:31,379 B: It was, sort of, yeah. 486 00:49:31,379 --> 00:49:34,705 It was like reverse engineering the social engineering for us. 487 00:49:34,705 --> 00:49:39,860 Because it was figuring it out as we went, 488 00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:45,320 but then starting to discover a world of people doing things 489 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,181 and yeah reading about it. 490 00:49:48,181 --> 00:49:52,289 So, and there are so many people doing so many amazing things. 491 00:49:52,289 --> 00:49:55,369 I mean, I'm loving following some of these people now on 492 00:49:55,369 --> 00:50:00,180 even Youtubers who do stuff like this. 493 00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:02,364 So yeah, but there are a few books. 494 00:50:02,364 --> 00:50:07,165 I'm reading a great book about early con men right now that's really fun. 495 00:50:07,165 --> 00:50:11,048 It's like… I can't remember the title. I'd have to grab it to read the title. 496 00:50:11,048 --> 00:50:15,298 but yeah, constantly constant education. 497 00:50:15,298 --> 00:50:19,927 And also, I think it's necessary also to always have innovation. 498 00:50:19,927 --> 00:50:26,253 You know, but ultimately, it seems like it does boil down to the one thing 499 00:50:26,253 --> 00:50:31,848 and that is understanding what somebody wants, right? 500 00:50:31,848 --> 00:50:34,575 Like if you know who you're talking to, 501 00:50:34,575 --> 00:50:36,775 and you know what they want, 502 00:50:36,775 --> 00:50:40,519 then you can build a world that delivers it to them 503 00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:44,702 and that seems to deliver to them the thing that they desire. 504 00:50:44,702 --> 00:50:48,045 And that is… That usually works really well. 505 00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:50,639 You know, it's a… 506 00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,409 even on people who are expecting it. 507 00:50:53,409 --> 00:50:55,850 laughing 508 00:50:55,850 --> 00:50:57,890 H: All right, the next one is a trivia question, 509 00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:59,700 which I really enjoy as a concept. 510 00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:03,300 What are the top three most impactful events in world history 511 00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:06,701 that you can summarize in the fewest words possible? 512 00:51:06,701 --> 00:51:10,178 Sounds like a game show. I like it. 513 00:51:10,178 --> 00:51:12,398 B: Top three 514 00:51:12,398 --> 00:51:13,940 H: Fewest words 515 00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:15,939 B: In human history? 516 00:51:15,939 --> 00:51:18,989 H: In the world history. B: In world history. 517 00:51:18,989 --> 00:51:23,619 H: So I guess it can include geological events before humans. 518 00:51:23,619 --> 00:51:30,188 B: Yeah, I kind of want to say, you know, Big Bang, even though I don't know. 519 00:51:30,188 --> 00:51:34,437 That's what I've been told, I don't totally really understand it, but… 520 00:51:34,437 --> 00:51:38,351 Big Bang. How many words am I left? 521 00:51:38,351 --> 00:51:40,690 H: I think as few as possible. 522 00:51:40,690 --> 00:51:48,504 B: Big Bang, asteroid, Anthropocene. 523 00:51:48,504 --> 00:51:53,361 H: Very good. I'm sure you won, whatever the game was. 524 00:51:53,361 --> 00:51:57,650 B: I feel like I won. I feel great about that answer. 525 00:51:57,650 --> 00:52:01,110 H: How did you guys come up with the human candle idea? 526 00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:03,340 And maybe explain the human candle idea. 527 00:52:03,340 --> 00:52:05,900 B: So the human candle idea was... 528 00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:09,299 Actually this goes back to the very first slide! Thanks for the call back. 529 00:52:09,299 --> 00:52:14,640 When I'm holding up the business card that says Exxon. 530 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,747 We were at a conference representing ExxonMobil 531 00:52:18,747 --> 00:52:22,224 in Calgary, Alberta, at the stampede grounds 532 00:52:22,224 --> 00:52:25,976 which is where they have the largest rodeo in the world, 533 00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:29,480 and they also have Canada's largest oil conference. 534 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,277 And we had convinced them to host us 535 00:52:34,277 --> 00:52:40,530 by telling them that Lee Raymond, who is the former CEO of ExxonMobil, 536 00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:45,350 would go to their conference. So I claim that I was from a PR agency, 537 00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:49,061 got in touch with the people running the conference. 538 00:52:49,061 --> 00:52:51,915 I had a domain name that looked like 539 00:52:51,915 --> 00:52:55,380 Hill+Knowlton or Burson-Marsteller. I can't remember who. 540 00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:58,180 One of the big PR companies that tends to do this kind of 541 00:52:58,180 --> 00:53:02,845 high level, you know, bullshitting. 542 00:53:02,845 --> 00:53:08,670 And so I promised them that Lee Raymond had a very important 543 00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:12,120 announcement to make that would really put their conference on the map. 544 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,568 And, of course, they were excited about it. But then… 545 00:53:15,568 --> 00:53:17,935 This is the tricky part. 546 00:53:17,935 --> 00:53:20,396 At that point, I had to tell them that, 547 00:53:20,396 --> 00:53:22,795 you know, they had to keep it secret 548 00:53:22,795 --> 00:53:26,851 until just before the announcement because 549 00:53:26,851 --> 00:53:31,561 what he was going to say had such repercussions for the global economy 550 00:53:31,561 --> 00:53:34,549 that they could very well be breaking 551 00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:38,461 various kinds of SEC (that's like, stock market) laws, 552 00:53:38,461 --> 00:53:41,329 if they didn't embargo the information. 553 00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:45,817 So I said, this is important. You're part of a web of, you know, 554 00:53:45,817 --> 00:53:47,849 You're part of a bubble of secrecy. We have to maintain the secret. 555 00:53:47,849 --> 00:53:52,919 Because as soon as people know that he's going to make a big announcement, 556 00:53:52,919 --> 00:53:56,480 they're going to freak out, because he had a new position with the government. 557 00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,009 And so they bought it. And, in fact, this is one of those 558 00:54:00,009 --> 00:54:05,130 counterintuitive things where you would think that telling them that you have this 559 00:54:05,130 --> 00:54:09,349 great honeypot for their conference, this guy who other people are going to register 560 00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:16,950 to see at their conference, you think that that then when you tell them that they 561 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:22,539 can't tell anyone that it would be immediately blow you up, but it doesn't 562 00:54:22,539 --> 00:54:25,757 because they feel like they're on the inside of something big then. 563 00:54:25,757 --> 00:54:27,952 And so they kept the secret. 564 00:54:27,952 --> 00:54:31,065 And then what we decided we're going to announce was that 565 00:54:31,065 --> 00:54:35,981 ExxonMobil had a climate change solution. 566 00:54:35,981 --> 00:54:42,746 Which was to turn the humans who die as a result of climate change 567 00:54:42,746 --> 00:54:46,543 into a new biofuel called Vivoleum. 568 00:54:46,543 --> 00:54:48,880 And so we had an animated thing. 569 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,439 It's in our second movie, The Yes Men Fix the World. 570 00:54:51,439 --> 00:54:54,497 But that idea came from us thinking about 571 00:54:54,497 --> 00:54:59,385 what is the logical extension of ExxonMobil's climate policy? 572 00:54:59,385 --> 00:55:01,687 Because at the time, it had just been revealed 573 00:55:01,687 --> 00:55:04,634 that ExxonMobil had done all of this 574 00:55:04,634 --> 00:55:12,846 very shady suppression of knowledge about the about climate change. 575 00:55:12,846 --> 00:55:19,309 ExxonMobil had scientists working for them in the 70s that knew that climate change 576 00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:24,343 was huge problem and they had decided to suppress the information themselves. 577 00:55:24,343 --> 00:55:28,201 And then they went on a protracted campaign 578 00:55:28,201 --> 00:55:32,088 of suppressing the information at the federal level in the United States 579 00:55:32,088 --> 00:55:33,732 and at the global level. 580 00:55:33,732 --> 00:55:35,991 So they became the target, 581 00:55:35,991 --> 00:55:38,500 and this announcement became the… what we were going to do. 582 00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:42,231 And then, of course, when we're at the conference, at the very last minute, 583 00:55:42,231 --> 00:55:46,464 Lee Raymond, the former CEO of ExxonMobil, 584 00:55:46,464 --> 00:55:50,126 who's now has a federal position with the US government, 585 00:55:50,126 --> 00:55:54,781 Doesn't show up, and a substitute takes his place on the stage. 586 00:55:54,781 --> 00:55:56,128 Then that's. Yeah. 587 00:55:56,128 --> 00:55:59,050 So did I answer the question? I can't remember. 588 00:55:59,050 --> 00:56:02,193 H: I think someone wanted to know how you you came up with the idea. 589 00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:03,132 H: But… B: Yeah, that was... 590 00:56:03,132 --> 00:56:04,689 H: But that is also difficult to answer, right? 591 00:56:04,689 --> 00:56:10,189 B: I think it was really just shooting the shit, as they say, with with some friends. 592 00:56:10,189 --> 00:56:15,914 And as I remember, it was a guy called Bob Ostertag, who worked with us for a while, 593 00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:23,577 who is actually a more of like a musician. And, you know, anyway… 594 00:56:23,577 --> 00:56:28,333 He was the one, I think, who really pushed that idea forward. 595 00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:31,740 And it turned out to be a really fun one. laughs 596 00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:35,754 H: I mean it's basically a direct callback to the Jonathan Swift stuff, right? 597 00:56:35,754 --> 00:56:41,039 You really get very into people's bodies. 598 00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:46,828 B: It is. It's a classic. I mean, babies, people eating them, cannibalism… 599 00:56:46,828 --> 00:56:48,297 I mean, these are like… 600 00:56:48,297 --> 00:56:53,558 You know, they hit you. They hit you. Right where it, right where you feel it. 601 00:56:53,558 --> 00:56:57,556 chuckles H: Yeah. All right. Another question is: 602 00:56:57,556 --> 00:57:01,640 Do you worry at all that your campaigns erode trust in the media? 603 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,300 Or do you just think that they should maybe pay some more attention? 604 00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:07,934 B: Yeah, no, we don't worry about that at all. I mean, it's… 605 00:57:07,934 --> 00:57:11,960 It's weird because for a while, there was something to worry about there, 606 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,787 because people's, y'know, trust in the media. 607 00:57:14,787 --> 00:57:22,198 I mean, now it's just a… it's just a weird landscape, totally bizarre. 608 00:57:22,198 --> 00:57:25,451 I mean, in terms of what people believe or don't believe. 609 00:57:25,451 --> 00:57:28,982 One of the things that we do all the time, though, is 610 00:57:28,982 --> 00:57:34,998 reveal our hoaxes immediately after we perpetrate them. 611 00:57:34,998 --> 00:57:38,814 And so the result is that there is actually more information 612 00:57:38,814 --> 00:57:44,741 as opposed to, you know, what we see as fake news 613 00:57:44,741 --> 00:57:47,304 which is people who are perpetrating a hoax, 614 00:57:47,304 --> 00:57:51,483 and they mean for it to exist for eternity, ideally. 615 00:57:51,483 --> 00:57:55,326 Like, if you create a falsehood, and you're not revealing it, 616 00:57:55,326 --> 00:58:00,601 that's the type of thing that the advertising industry, 617 00:58:00,601 --> 00:58:06,993 PR agencies have done, and governments have done for centuries. 618 00:58:06,993 --> 00:58:13,004 But our types of hoaxes are meant to be revealed right away. 619 00:58:13,004 --> 00:58:16,504 H: All right. I have a mysterious question. B: Yes! 620 00:58:16,504 --> 00:58:19,746 H: Oh, OK. Now I understand. What are your thoughts about the orange man? 621 00:58:19,746 --> 00:58:22,388 And I've just realized that that's Donald Trump. 622 00:58:22,388 --> 00:58:26,705 B: Oh, I don't know if I would have gone... H: Or just unrelated orange person, 623 00:58:26,705 --> 00:58:29,550 if you know any. B: Yeah, I mean, it's confusing for me 624 00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:34,200 because an orange man. I started thinking about Poland and about there's all kinds 625 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:41,059 of orange people here and there, but chuckles Or orange movements. Anyway, the 626 00:58:41,059 --> 00:58:46,579 orange man, oh, God, no. Horrible. H: All right, so the Dutch national 627 00:58:46,579 --> 00:58:50,090 football team, what's your opinion? That's different orange men, right? 628 00:58:50,090 --> 00:58:55,170 B: Yes, the Dutch football. I have to, have to be a fan because my mother is 629 00:58:55,170 --> 00:59:00,059 Dutch. What can I say? And also, it's like a tiny country and I like kind of an 630 00:59:00,059 --> 00:59:04,859 underdog that still out…like…does really ridiculously well. I mean, I don't know. 631 00:59:04,859 --> 00:59:09,548 I don't know. I'm not… Football is awesome. Yes. Why not? 632 00:59:09,548 --> 00:59:12,619 Nothing that wrong with it. chuckles 633 00:59:12,619 --> 00:59:16,900 H: Is there a reason you don't have a bulb in your socket on your ceiling? 634 00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:21,839 B: Oh, yeah. It's because I moved it to here. 635 00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:24,420 laughs H: Ahh, nice. 636 00:59:24,420 --> 00:59:30,940 B: This is my studio lighting and I got rid of that one and I created this one. 637 00:59:30,940 --> 00:59:35,029 H: It looks great. I also have all the lights pointed at me now. 638 00:59:35,029 --> 00:59:38,910 B: chuckles Thanks for that question. I like it. 639 00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:44,220 H: Here.That's interesting. Can we trace the lineage of the tire rubber ducks into 640 00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:49,249 Chinese umbrellas back to that taped bread? I think it's about these helmets. 641 00:59:49,249 --> 00:59:52,700 B: Yes. Yes, definitely. chuckles 642 00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:59,869 I don't know actually. If anybody can do that, do let me know. The empty bulb, 643 00:59:59,869 --> 01:00:06,150 though. I'm putting my finger on right now. Here. Reminds me, though, that this 644 01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:11,450 is like another… I remember the CIA sabotage manual that they were dropping on 645 01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:18,190 El Salvador…actually, on Nicaragua. Sorry. Where they were encouraging people to like 646 01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:24,033 sabotage everywhere because at the time it was, y'know, communist. And so the idea 647 01:00:24,033 --> 01:00:29,570 was that if people broke everything, then the country would come to a standstill. 648 01:00:29,570 --> 01:00:34,420 So they suggested things like taking the light bulb out and putting a coin in there 649 01:00:34,420 --> 01:00:39,739 and putting the light bulb back in. So, I don't know. You know, everybody uses these 650 01:00:39,739 --> 01:00:48,879 tactics. Again, thinking about the CIA's flying penis. You know. 651 01:00:48,879 --> 01:00:53,720 H: Oh, now it is the CIA. B: Yeah, CIA sabotage manuals. 652 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,840 H: Maybe one last question. Do you have any projects in the pipeline? 653 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,499 I mean, I assume you don't want to talk about them, but you can. 654 01:01:01,499 --> 01:01:07,369 B: You know, we have a movie about walls that we're working on. But we took a 655 01:01:07,369 --> 01:01:14,490 hiatus with COVID. And we have a whole bunch of other things that are in the 656 01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:17,580 works. Some of them we're doing independently, not as the Yes Men. But I'm 657 01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:24,119 doing stuff and Andy is doing stuff. And yeah, we're also always trying to 658 01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:31,500 recalibrate because, you know, the terrain is changing so quickly. And it's such a 659 01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:36,274 strange and interesting moment, particularly in the United States, 660 01:01:36,274 --> 01:01:40,740 but also all over the world. H: Yeah, there's a... I mean, there's many 661 01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:45,880 questions that are along the lines of like, how do you feel about satire in this 662 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,950 year when it's just seems like half the news is satire. Right? Or at least it 663 01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:56,750 feels just completely unhinged. Right? B: Yeah. And I don't think a lot of times 664 01:01:56,750 --> 01:02:00,660 it doesn't... I don't think satire about Donald Trump works. I don't even think 665 01:02:00,660 --> 01:02:04,960 that any of this stuff that was on Saturday Night Live was funny. You know, 666 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,729 where they impersonate the people in the administration. It's just like worse 667 01:02:09,729 --> 01:02:15,119 versions of the real thing that's really funny if you could actually laugh about it 668 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,869 it if it wasn't real. I mean, it must have been the same, like looking at Hitler 669 01:02:19,869 --> 01:02:23,219 in the in the 30's, you know, like you probably look at that and think this 670 01:02:23,219 --> 01:02:30,309 cannot be real. But, you know, here's this crazy looking guy saying crazy shit. And 671 01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:34,881 so then what do you do? And I think that you you choose different tactics for a 672 01:02:34,881 --> 01:02:38,569 while, but you fight. H: It seems like the funniest thing to do 673 01:02:38,569 --> 01:02:42,789 for him, would to just pretend he's giving a coherent speech. Right? 674 01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:46,755 B: Totally. Yeah. I mean, it is like… laughs 675 01:02:46,755 --> 01:02:48,508 He keeps outdoing himself. 676 01:02:48,508 --> 01:02:53,254 What happened in the final weeks of the campaign and just after, 677 01:02:53,254 --> 01:02:59,677 with Giuliani and the Four Seasons Total Landscaping, and the face melting off, 678 01:02:59,677 --> 01:03:02,669 and the… I mean, there were so many things where you just like 679 01:03:02,669 --> 01:03:09,911 the levels of crazy theater were… Oh man. I… Yeah. Anyway. 680 01:03:09,911 --> 01:03:14,286 H: I mean, you could have definitely just claimed that as a Yes Men stunt. 681 01:03:14,286 --> 01:03:20,152 B: Definitely. Definitely. It was a stroke of genius that. laughs 682 01:03:20,152 --> 01:03:21,983 H: Yes. Alright, maybe a last question. 683 01:03:21,983 --> 01:03:27,029 Do you have any things that failed spectacularly that you… 684 01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:28,970 B: Yes! H: …want reveal to the world? 685 01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:34,410 B: Yes. We have many things that have failed spectacularly. And there's some of 686 01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:39,850 them that you can read about on the Yes Men website, which is at theyesmen.org. 687 01:03:39,850 --> 01:03:42,802 And one in particular that I recommend reading about 688 01:03:42,802 --> 01:03:48,585 that we documented, at least in text, is an event where we impersonated a 689 01:03:48,585 --> 01:03:54,354 group called the International Web Police who claimed to be securing the Internet. 690 01:03:54,354 --> 01:03:59,571 This is back in the late 90's, or around 2002 or something. 691 01:03:59,571 --> 01:04:07,008 Anyway, it was a funny event. And… yes. I'm not going to get into it here. 692 01:04:07,008 --> 01:04:11,776 But it amuses me just to think about it. chuckles 693 01:04:11,776 --> 01:04:15,842 H: All right. Thank you very much. 694 01:04:15,842 --> 01:04:17,956 B: Thank you so much! H: Somehow you have disappeared from my screen. 695 01:04:17,956 --> 01:04:21,339 All right. Now there you are. Well, thank you. 696 01:04:21,339 --> 01:04:22,884 B: Thank you! 697 01:04:22,884 --> 01:04:27,711 H: I think we will go offline at some random point now. 698 01:04:27,711 --> 01:04:29,577 Goodbye, Internet. 699 01:04:29,577 --> 01:04:30,666 B: Goodbye. 700 01:04:30,666 --> 01:04:31,639 postroll music 701 01:04:31,639 --> 01:05:09,880 Subtitles created by c3subtitles.de in the year 2020. Join, and help us!