WEBVTT 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:19.616 People returning to work after a career break: 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:21.816 I call them relaunchers. 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:25.696 These are people who have taken career breaks for elder care, 00:00:25.720 --> 00:00:27.536 for childcare reasons, 00:00:27.560 --> 00:00:29.256 pursuing a personal interest, 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.480 or a personal health issue. 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:35.336 Closely related are career transitioners of all kinds: 00:00:35.360 --> 00:00:37.696 veterans, military spouses, 00:00:37.720 --> 00:00:40.136 retirees coming out of retirement, 00:00:40.160 --> 00:00:41.880 or repatriating expats. 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.895 Returning to work after a career break is hard 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:47.936 because of a disconnect between the employers 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:49.856 and the relaunchers. 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.856 Employers can view hiring people with a gap on their resume 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:55.976 as a high-risk proposition, 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.856 and individuals on career break can have doubts about their abilities 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:01.456 to relaunch their careers, 00:01:01.480 --> 00:01:03.800 especially if they've been out for a long time. 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:09.680 This disconnect is a problem that I'm trying to help solve. 00:01:10.240 --> 00:01:14.760 Now, successful relaunchers are everywhere and in every field. 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:17.016 This is Sami Kafala. 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.776 He's a nuclear physicist in the UK 00:01:19.800 --> 00:01:23.720 who took a five-year career break to be home with his five children. 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:28.696 The Singapore press recently wrote about nurses returning to work 00:01:28.720 --> 00:01:30.776 after long career breaks. 00:01:30.800 --> 00:01:32.816 And speaking of long career breaks, 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:34.120 this is Mimi Kahn. 00:01:34.720 --> 00:01:37.896 She's a social worker in Orange County, California, 00:01:38.520 --> 00:01:41.856 who returned to work in a social services organization 00:01:41.880 --> 00:01:44.656 after a 25-year career break. 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:47.040 That's the longest career break that I'm aware of. 00:01:47.825 --> 00:01:50.110 Prominent people take career breaks. 00:01:50.180 --> 00:01:52.716 Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor 00:01:52.740 --> 00:01:55.580 took a five-year career break early in her career. 00:01:55.949 --> 00:01:59.082 And then, there are the fictional relaunchers. 00:01:59.115 --> 00:02:02.075 Probably the most famos is Alicia Florrick, 00:02:02.337 --> 00:02:07.243 the character played by Julianna Margulies in the TV show The Goodwife. 00:02:07.530 --> 00:02:11.863 She's a lawyer who returns to work after a 13-year career break. 00:02:12.823 --> 00:02:15.831 Here's a real person who took a 13-year career break. 00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:18.816 This is Tracy Shapiro, and her family. 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:22.936 Tracy answered a call for essays by the Today Show 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.376 from people who were trying to return to work 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.240 but having a difficult time of it. 00:02:28.160 --> 00:02:32.616 Tracy wrote in that she was a mom of five who loved her time at home, 00:02:32.640 --> 00:02:36.176 but she had gone through a divorce and needed to return to work, 00:02:36.200 --> 00:02:39.136 plus she really wanted to bring work back into her life 00:02:39.160 --> 00:02:40.800 because she loved working. 00:02:40.820 --> 00:02:43.396 Tracy was doing what so many of us do 00:02:43.420 --> 00:02:47.156 when we feel like we've put in a good day in the job search. 00:02:47.180 --> 00:02:50.156 She was looking for a finance or accounting role, 00:02:50.180 --> 00:02:52.876 and she had just spent the last nine months 00:02:52.900 --> 00:02:56.196 very diligently researching companies online 00:02:56.220 --> 00:02:58.980 and applying for jobs with no results. 00:02:59.420 --> 00:03:03.156 I met Tracy in June of 2011, 00:03:03.180 --> 00:03:06.716 when the Today Show asked me if I could work with her 00:03:06.740 --> 00:03:08.900 to see if I could help her turn things around. 00:03:09.460 --> 00:03:12.916 The first thing I told Tracy was she had to get out of the house. 00:03:12.940 --> 00:03:15.676 I told her she had to go public with her job search 00:03:15.700 --> 00:03:19.540 and tell everyone she knew about her interest in returning to work. 00:03:19.980 --> 00:03:23.756 I also told her, "You are going to have a lot of conversations 00:03:23.780 --> 00:03:25.356 that don't go anywhere. 00:03:25.380 --> 00:03:28.636 Expect that, and don't be discouraged by it. 00:03:28.660 --> 00:03:30.236 There will be a handful 00:03:30.260 --> 00:03:33.100 that ultimately lead to a job opportunity." 00:03:33.980 --> 00:03:36.596 I'll tell you what happened with Tracy in a little bit, 00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:39.049 but I want to share with you a discovery that I made 00:03:39.073 --> 00:03:40.796 when I was returning to work 00:03:40.820 --> 00:03:44.916 after my own career break of 11 years out of the full-time workforce, 00:03:44.940 --> 00:03:50.180 and that is, that people's view of you is frozen in time. 00:03:50.620 --> 00:03:54.276 What I mean by this is, when you start to get in touch with people 00:03:54.300 --> 00:03:57.036 and you get back in touch with those people from the past, 00:03:57.060 --> 00:04:00.316 the people with whom you worked or went to school, 00:04:00.340 --> 00:04:03.076 they are going to remember you as you were 00:04:03.100 --> 00:04:04.916 before your career break, 00:04:04.940 --> 00:04:08.436 and that's even if your sense of self has diminished over time, 00:04:08.460 --> 00:04:10.556 as happens with so many of us 00:04:10.580 --> 00:04:14.476 the farther removed we are from our professional identities. 00:04:14.500 --> 00:04:17.196 So for example, you might think of yourself 00:04:17.220 --> 00:04:18.700 as someone who looks like this. 00:04:19.100 --> 00:04:23.396 This is me, crazy after a day of driving around in my minivan. 00:04:23.420 --> 00:04:25.620 Or here I am in the kitchen. 00:04:26.060 --> 00:04:28.596 But those people from the past, 00:04:28.620 --> 00:04:30.836 they don't know about any of this. 00:04:30.860 --> 00:04:33.396 They only remember you as you were, 00:04:33.420 --> 00:04:37.596 and it's a great confidence boost to be back in touch with these people 00:04:37.620 --> 00:04:41.260 and hear their enthusiasm about your interest in returning to work. 00:04:42.740 --> 00:04:46.836 There's one more thing I remember vividly from my own career break, 00:04:46.860 --> 00:04:50.235 and that was that I hardly kept up with the business news. 00:04:50.259 --> 00:04:51.876 My background is in finance, 00:04:51.900 --> 00:04:54.316 and I hardly kept up with any news 00:04:54.340 --> 00:04:57.276 when I was home caring for my four young children, 00:04:57.300 --> 00:05:00.676 so I was afraid I'd go into an interview 00:05:00.700 --> 00:05:04.060 and start talking about a company that didn't exist anymore. 00:05:04.100 --> 00:05:07.636 So I had to resubscribe to the Wall Street Journal 00:05:07.660 --> 00:05:11.116 and read it for a good six months cover to cover before I felt 00:05:11.140 --> 00:05:14.872 like I had a handle on what was going on in the business world again. 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.536 I believe relaunchers are a gem of the workforce, 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.296 and here's why. 00:05:20.320 --> 00:05:22.136 Think about our life stage: 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.816 for those of us who took career breaks for childcare reasons, 00:05:25.840 --> 00:05:27.816 we have fewer or no maternity leaves. 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:29.336 We did that already. 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.696 We have fewer spousal or partner job relocations. 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.176 We're in a more settled time of life. 00:05:35.200 --> 00:05:37.016 We have great work experience. 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.056 We have a more mature perspective. 00:05:39.080 --> 00:05:42.656 We're not trying to find ourselves at an employer's expense. 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.896 Plus we have an energy, an enthusiasm about returning to work 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.840 precisely because we've been away from it for a while. 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:53.216 On the flip side, I speak with employers, 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.776 and here are two concerns that employers have 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:57.696 about hiring relaunchers. 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.776 The first one is, employers are worried that relaunchers 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:02.840 are technologically obsolete. 00:06:03.400 --> 00:06:04.656 Now, I can tell you, 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:08.256 having been technologically obsolete myself at one point, 00:06:08.280 --> 00:06:09.960 that it's a temporary condition. 00:06:10.520 --> 00:06:16.656 I had done my financial analysis so long ago that I used Lotus 1-2-3. 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.616 I don't know if anyone can even remember back that far, 00:06:19.640 --> 00:06:21.856 but I had to relearn it on Excel. 00:06:21.880 --> 00:06:24.960 It actually wasn't that hard. A lot of the commands are the same. 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.816 I found PowerPoint much more challenging, 00:06:27.840 --> 00:06:30.000 but now I use PowerPoint all the time. 00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:35.815 I tell relaunchers that employers expect them to come to the table 00:06:35.840 --> 00:06:39.336 with a working knowledge of basic office management software, 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:41.096 and if they're not up to speed, 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:43.496 then it's their responsibility to get there. 00:06:43.520 --> 00:06:44.720 And they do. 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.776 The second area of concern that employers have about relaunchers 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.000 is they're worried that relaunchers don't know what they want to do. 00:06:52.640 --> 00:06:55.856 I tell relaunchers that they need to do the hard work 00:06:55.880 --> 00:06:59.376 to figure out whether their interests and skills have changed 00:06:59.400 --> 00:07:00.976 or have not changed 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:02.816 while they have been on career break. 00:07:02.840 --> 00:07:05.096 That's not the employer's job. 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:09.696 It's the relauncher's responsibility to demonstrate to the employer 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:11.640 where they can add the most value. 00:07:11.760 --> 00:07:15.040 Back in 2010 I started noticing something. 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.736 I had been tracking return to work programs since 2008, 00:07:19.760 --> 00:07:23.056 and in 2010, I started noticing 00:07:23.080 --> 00:07:26.976 the use of a short-term paid work opportunity, 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.456 whether it was called an internship or not, 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.816 but an internship-like experience, 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:34.976 as a way for professionals to return to work. 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.776 I saw Goldman Sachs and Sara Lee 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.096 start corporate reentry internship programs. 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:45.560 I saw a returning engineer, a nontraditional reentry candidate, 00:07:46.320 --> 00:07:50.136 apply for an entry-level internship program in the military, 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:52.520 and then get a permanent job afterward. 00:07:53.080 --> 00:07:56.776 I saw two universities integrate internships 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.840 into mid-career executive education programs. 00:08:00.400 --> 00:08:03.216 So I wrote a report about what I was seeing, 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.216 and it became this article for Harvard Business Review 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.136 called "The 40-Year-Old Intern." 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.776 I have to thank the editors there for that title, 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.176 and also for this artwork 00:08:12.200 --> 00:08:16.536 where you can see the 40-year-old intern in the midst of all the college interns. 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:19.736 And then, courtesy of Fox Business News, 00:08:19.760 --> 00:08:22.936 they called the concept "The 50-Year-Old Intern." 00:08:22.960 --> 00:08:24.894 (Laughter) 00:08:24.918 --> 00:08:28.918 And just last month, a movie came out, called "The Intern", 00:08:29.180 --> 00:08:32.203 that brought us the 70 year old intern. 00:08:32.227 --> 00:08:33.942 (Laughter) 00:08:34.092 --> 00:08:38.061 Robert De Niro plays the role of a 70 year old retiree 00:08:38.109 --> 00:08:39.815 who comes out of retirement 00:08:39.863 --> 00:08:43.596 to become the intern for the CEO of a fast growing company, 00:08:43.673 --> 00:08:45.273 played by Anne Hathaway. 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:49.434 I haven't seen very many 70 year old interns. 00:08:49.546 --> 00:08:53.946 But these non-traditional internships are not just in the movies. 00:08:54.500 --> 00:08:57.635 Five of the biggest financial services companies 00:08:57.680 --> 00:09:01.816 have reentry internship programs for returning finance professionals, 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.536 and at this point, hundreds of people have participated. 00:09:05.560 --> 00:09:07.336 These internships are paid, 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.096 and the people who move on to permanent roles 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:12.800 are commanding competitive salaries. 00:09:13.580 --> 00:09:17.036 And now, seven of the biggest engineering companies 00:09:17.060 --> 00:09:21.356 are piloting reentry internship programs for returning engineers 00:09:21.380 --> 00:09:25.100 as part of an initiative with the Society of Women Engineers. 00:09:25.760 --> 00:09:29.600 Now, why are companies embracing the reentry internship? 00:09:30.640 --> 00:09:33.616 Because the internship allows the employer 00:09:33.640 --> 00:09:37.656 to base their hiring decision on an actual work sample 00:09:37.680 --> 00:09:39.734 instead of a series of interviews, 00:09:39.758 --> 00:09:43.496 and the employer does not have to make that permanent hiring decision 00:09:43.520 --> 00:09:46.320 until the internship period is over. 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.736 This testing out period removes the perceived risk 00:09:50.760 --> 00:09:54.336 that some managers attach to hiring relaunchers, 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.016 and they are attracting excellent candidates 00:09:57.040 --> 00:09:58.880 who are turning into great hires. 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:01.400 Think about how far we have come. 00:10:01.760 --> 00:10:04.736 Before this, most employers were not interested 00:10:04.760 --> 00:10:07.096 in engaging with relaunchers at all, 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.616 but now, not only are programs being developed 00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:13.176 specifically with relaunchers in mind, 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:15.696 but you can't even apply for these programs 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.400 unless you have a gap on your resume. 00:10:19.040 --> 00:10:21.136 This is the mark of real change, 00:10:21.160 --> 00:10:23.416 of true institutional shift, 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.976 because if we can solve this problem for relaunchers, 00:10:27.300 --> 00:10:30.596 we can solve it for other career transitioners too. 00:10:30.620 --> 00:10:32.556 In fact, an employer just told me 00:10:32.580 --> 00:10:35.076 that their veterans return to work program 00:10:35.100 --> 00:10:38.476 is based on their reentry internship program. 00:10:38.507 --> 00:10:43.175 And there's no reason why there can't be a retiree internship program. 00:10:43.358 --> 00:10:45.453 Just like in the movie "The Intern". 00:10:45.540 --> 00:10:48.020 Different pool, same concept. 00:10:48.900 --> 00:10:51.356 So let me tell you what happened with Tracy Shapiro. 00:10:51.380 --> 00:10:53.775 Remember I told her 00:10:53.807 --> 00:10:55.855 that she had to tell everyone she knew 00:10:55.880 --> 00:10:57.880 about her interest in returning to work. 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:02.376 Well, one critical conversation with another parent in her community 00:11:02.400 --> 00:11:04.496 led to a job offer for Tracy, 00:11:04.520 --> 00:11:07.296 and it was an accounting job in a finance department. 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:08.640 But it was a temp job. 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.656 The company told her there was a possibility 00:11:11.680 --> 00:11:15.216 it could turn into something more, but no guarantees. 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:17.600 This was in the fall of 2011. 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:21.136 Tracy loved this company, and she loved the people 00:11:21.160 --> 00:11:24.216 and the office was less than 10 minutes from her house. 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.456 So even though she had a second job offer 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.376 at another company for a permanent full-time role, 00:11:29.400 --> 00:11:32.616 she decided to take her chances with this internship 00:11:32.640 --> 00:11:34.400 and hope for the best. 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.776 Well, she ended up blowing away all of their expectations, 00:11:38.800 --> 00:11:41.296 and the company not only made her a permanent offer 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.416 at the beginning of 2012, 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.056 but they made it even more interesting and challenging, 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.200 because they knew what Tracy could handle. 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:51.256 Fast forward to 2015, 00:11:51.280 --> 00:11:52.856 Tracy's been promoted. 00:11:52.880 --> 00:11:55.296 They've paid for her to get her MBA at night. 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.640 She's even hired another relauncher for work for her. 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.616 Tracy's temp job was a tryout, 00:12:03.640 --> 00:12:05.296 just like an internship, 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:10.560 and it ended up being a win for both Tracy and her employer. 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:16.376 Now, my goal is to bring the reentry internship concept 00:12:16.400 --> 00:12:19.136 to more and more employers, 00:12:19.160 --> 00:12:20.976 but in the meantime, 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:24.216 if you are returning to work after a career break, 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:30.256 don't hesitate to suggest an internship or an internship-like arrangement 00:12:30.280 --> 00:12:35.896 to an employer that does not have a formal reentry internship program. 00:12:35.920 --> 00:12:38.216 Be their first success story, 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:41.880 and you can be the example for more relaunchers to come. 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:43.536 Thank you. 00:12:43.560 --> 00:12:46.480 (Applause)