WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:18.772 Music 00:00:18.772 --> 00:00:25.332 Herald:Hi! Welcome, welcome in Wikipaka- WG, in this extremely crowded Esszimmer. 00:00:25.332 --> 00:00:32.079 I'm Jakob, I'm your Herald for tonight until 10:00 and I'm here to welcome you 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.690 and to welcome these wonderful three guys on the stage. They're going to talk about 00:00:36.690 --> 00:00:44.710 the infrastructure of Wikipedia. And yeah, they are Lucas, Amir, and Daniel 00:00:44.710 --> 00:00:52.970 and I hope you'll have fun! Applause 00:00:52.970 --> 00:00:57.059 Amir Sarabadani: Hello, my name is Amir, um, I'm a software engineer at 00:00:57.059 --> 00:01:01.130 Wikimedia Deutschland, which is the German chapter of Wikimedia Foundation. Wikimedia 00:01:01.130 --> 00:01:06.520 Foundation runs Wikipedia. Here is Lucas. Lucas is also a software engineer, at 00:01:06.520 --> 00:01:10.300 Wikimedia Deutschland, and Daniel here is a software architect at Wikimedia 00:01:10.300 --> 00:01:15.110 Foundation. We are all based in Germany, Daniel in Leipzig, we are in Berlin. And 00:01:15.110 --> 00:01:21.420 today we want to talk about how we run Wikipedia, with using donors' money and 00:01:21.420 --> 00:01:29.910 not lots of advertisement and collecting data. So in this talk, first we are going 00:01:29.910 --> 00:01:34.860 to go on an inside-out approach. So we are going to first talk about the application 00:01:34.860 --> 00:01:39.830 layer and then the outside layers, and then we go to an outside-in approach and 00:01:39.830 --> 00:01:48.635 then talk about how you're going to hit Wikipedia from the outside. 00:01:48.635 --> 00:01:53.320 So first of all, let's some, let me get you some information. First of 00:01:53.320 --> 00:01:57.259 all, all of Wikimedia, Wikipedia infrastructure is run by Wikimedia 00:01:57.259 --> 00:02:01.810 Foundation, an American nonprofit charitable organization. We don't run any 00:02:01.810 --> 00:02:07.960 ads and we are only 370 people. If you count Wikimedia Deutschland or all other 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:12.500 chapters, it's around 500 people in total. It's nothing compared to the companies 00:02:12.500 --> 00:02:19.530 outside. But all of the content is managed by volunteers. Even our staff 00:02:19.530 --> 00:02:24.170 doesn't do edits, add content to Wikipedia. And we support 300 languages, 00:02:24.170 --> 00:02:29.501 which is a very large number. And Wikipedia, it's eighteen years old, so it 00:02:29.501 --> 00:02:37.950 can vote now. And also, Wikipedia has some really, really weird articles. Um, I want 00:02:37.950 --> 00:02:42.510 to ask you, what is your, if you have encountered any really weird article 00:02:42.510 --> 00:02:47.970 in Wikipedia? My favorite is a list of people who died on the toilet. But if you 00:02:47.970 --> 00:02:54.620 know anything, raise your hands. Uh, do you know any weird articles in Wikipedia? 00:02:54.620 --> 00:02:58.750 Do you know some? Daniel Kinzler: Oh, the classic one…. 00:02:58.750 --> 00:03:03.600 Amir: You need to unmute yourself. Oh, okay. 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:09.551 Daniel: This is technology. I don't know anything about technology. OK, no. The, my 00:03:09.551 --> 00:03:13.900 favorite example is "people killed by their own invention". That's yeah. That's 00:03:13.900 --> 00:03:20.510 a lot of fun. Look it up. It's amazing. Lucas Werkmeister: There's also a list, 00:03:20.510 --> 00:03:24.810 there is also a list of prison escapes using helicopters. I almost said 00:03:24.810 --> 00:03:28.790 helicopter escapes using prisons, which doesn't make any sense. But that was also 00:03:28.790 --> 00:03:31.830 a very interesting list. Daniel: I think we also have a category of 00:03:31.830 --> 00:03:35.310 lists of lists of lists. Amir: That's a page. 00:03:35.310 --> 00:03:39.040 Lucas: And every few months someone thinks it's funny to redirect it to Russel's 00:03:39.040 --> 00:03:42.940 paradox or so. Daniel: Yeah. 00:03:42.940 --> 00:03:49.209 Amir: But also beside that, people cannot read Wikipedia in Turkey or China. But 00:03:49.209 --> 00:03:54.450 three days ago, actually, the block in Turkey was ruled unconstitutional, but 00:03:54.450 --> 00:04:01.000 it's not lifted yet. Hopefully they will lift it soon. Um, so Wikipedia, Wikimedia 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:05.660 projects is just not Wikipedia. It's lots and lots of projects. Some of them are not 00:04:05.660 --> 00:04:11.650 as successful as the Wikipedia. Um, uh, like Wikinews. But uh, for example, 00:04:11.650 --> 00:04:16.190 Wikipedia is the most successful one, and there's another one, that's Wikidata. It's 00:04:16.190 --> 00:04:21.680 being developed by Wikimedia Deutschland. I mean the Wikidata team, with Lucas, um, 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:26.520 and it's being used – it's infobox – it has the data that Wikipedia or Google 00:04:26.520 --> 00:04:31.449 Knowledge Graph or Siri or Alexa uses. It's basically, it's sort of a backbone of 00:04:31.449 --> 00:04:37.981 all of the data, uh, through the whole Internet. Um, so our infrastructure. Let 00:04:37.981 --> 00:04:42.910 me… So first of all, our infrastructure is all Open Source. By principle, we never 00:04:42.910 --> 00:04:48.081 use any commercial software. Uh, we could use a lots of things. They are even 00:04:48.081 --> 00:04:54.330 sometimes were given us for free, but we were, refused to use them. Second 00:04:54.330 --> 00:04:59.060 thing is we have two primary data center for like failovers, when, for example, a 00:04:59.060 --> 00:05:03.960 whole datacenter goes offline, so we can failover to another data center. We have 00:05:03.960 --> 00:05:11.100 three caching points of presence or CDNs. Our CDNs are all over the world. Uh, 00:05:11.100 --> 00:05:15.180 also, we have our own CDN. We don't have, we don't use CloudFlare, because 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:20.960 CloudFlare, we care about the privacy of the users and is very important that, for 00:05:20.960 --> 00:05:25.490 example, people edit from countries that might be, uh, dangerous for them to edit 00:05:25.490 --> 00:05:29.810 Wikipedia. So we really care to keep the data as protected as possible. 00:05:29.810 --> 00:05:32.400 Applause 00:05:32.400 --> 00:05:39.460 Amir: Uh, we have 17 billion page views per month, and, which goes up and down 00:05:39.460 --> 00:05:44.350 based on the season and everything, we have around 100 to 200 thousand requests 00:05:44.350 --> 00:05:48.449 per second. It's different from the pageview because requests can be requests 00:05:48.449 --> 00:05:54.540 to the objects, can be API, can be lots of things. And we have 300,000 new editors 00:05:54.540 --> 00:06:03.120 per month and we run all of this with 1300 bare metal servers. So right now, Daniel 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:07.010 is going to talk about the application layer and the inside of that 00:06:07.010 --> 00:06:11.830 infrastructure. Daniel: Thanks, Amir. Oh, the clicky 00:06:11.830 --> 00:06:20.330 thing. Thank you. So the application layer is basically the software that actually 00:06:20.330 --> 00:06:25.050 does what a wiki does, right? It lets you edit pages, create or update pages and 00:06:25.050 --> 00:06:29.650 then search the page views. interference noise The challenge for Wikipedia, of 00:06:29.650 --> 00:06:37.150 course, is serving all the many page views that Amir just described. The core of the 00:06:37.150 --> 00:06:42.690 application is a classic LAMP application. interference noise I have to stop 00:06:42.690 --> 00:06:50.130 moving. Yes? Is that it? It's a classic LAMP stack application. So it's written in 00:06:50.130 --> 00:06:57.080 PHP, it runs on an Apache server. It uses MySQL as a database in the backend. We 00:06:57.080 --> 00:07:01.630 used to use a HHVM instead of the… Yeah, we… 00:07:01.630 --> 00:07:13.830 Herald: Hier. Sorry. Nimm mal das hier. Daniel: Hello. We used to use HHVM as the 00:07:13.830 --> 00:07:20.810 PHP engine, but we just switched back to the mainstream PHP, using PHP 7.2 now, 00:07:20.810 --> 00:07:24.720 because Facebook decided that HHVM is going to be incompatible with the standard 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:35.430 and they were just basically developing it for, for themselves. Right. So we have 00:07:35.430 --> 00:07:42.740 separate clusters of servers for serving requests, for serving different requests, 00:07:42.740 --> 00:07:48.020 page views on the one hand, and also handling edits. Then we have a cluster for 00:07:48.020 --> 00:07:55.350 handling API calls and then we have a bunch of servers set up to handle 00:07:55.350 --> 00:08:01.050 asynchronous jobs, things that happen in the background, the job runners, and… 00:08:01.050 --> 00:08:05.240 I guess video scaling is a very obvious example of that. It just takes too long to 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:11.720 do it on the fly. But we use it for many other things as well. MediaWiki, MediaWiki 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:15.930 is kind of an amazing thing because you can just install it on your own shared- 00:08:15.930 --> 00:08:23.419 hosting, 10-bucks-a-month's webspace and it will run. But you can also use it to, 00:08:23.419 --> 00:08:29.270 you know, serve half the world. And so it's a very powerful and versatile system, 00:08:29.270 --> 00:08:34.479 which also… I mean, this, this wide span of different applications also creates 00:08:34.479 --> 00:08:41.000 problems. That's something that I will talk about tomorrow. But for now, let's 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:49.230 look at the fun things. So if you want to serve a lot of page views, you have to do 00:08:49.230 --> 00:08:55.550 a lot of caching. And so we have a whole… yeah, a whole set of different caching 00:08:55.550 --> 00:09:00.880 systems. The most important one is probably the parser cache. So as you 00:09:00.880 --> 00:09:07.431 probably know, wiki pages are created in, in a markup language, Wikitext, and they 00:09:07.431 --> 00:09:13.290 need to be parsed and turned into HTML. And the result of that parsing is, of 00:09:13.290 --> 00:09:19.940 course, cached. And that cache is semi- persistent, it… nothing really ever drops 00:09:19.940 --> 00:09:25.060 out of it. It's a huge thing. And it's, it lives in a dedicated MySQL database 00:09:25.060 --> 00:09:33.490 system. Yeah. We use memcached a lot for all kinds of miscellaneous things, 00:09:33.490 --> 00:09:38.930 anything that we need to keep around and share between server instances. And we 00:09:38.930 --> 00:09:43.589 have been using redis for a while, for anything that we want to have available, 00:09:43.589 --> 00:09:47.560 not just between different servers, but also between different data centers, 00:09:47.560 --> 00:09:53.200 because redis is a bit better about synchronizing things between, between 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:59.820 different systems, we still use it for session storage, especially, though we are 00:09:59.820 --> 00:10:09.600 about to move away from that and we'll be using Cassandra for session storage. We 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:19.310 have a bunch of additional services running for specialized purposes, like 00:10:19.310 --> 00:10:27.120 scaling images, rendering formulas, math formulas, ORES is pretty interesting. ORES 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:33.400 is a system for automatically detecting vandalism or rating edits. So this is a 00:10:33.400 --> 00:10:38.120 machine learning based system for detecting problems and highlighting edits 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:45.060 that may not be, may not be great and need more attention. We have some additional 00:10:45.060 --> 00:10:50.940 services that process our content for consumption on mobile devices, chopping 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:56.480 pages up into bits and pieces that then can be consumed individually and many, 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:08.200 many more. In the background, we also have to manage events, right, we use Kafka for 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:14.640 message queuing, and we use that to notify different parts of the system about 00:11:14.640 --> 00:11:19.980 changes. On the one hand, we use that to feed the job runners that I just 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:27.540 mentioned. But we also use it, for instance, to purge the entries in the 00:11:27.540 --> 00:11:35.050 CDN when pages become updated and things like that. OK, the next session is going 00:11:35.050 --> 00:11:40.269 to be about the databases. Are there, very quickly, we will have quite a bit of time 00:11:40.269 --> 00:11:45.230 for discussion afterwards. But are there any questions right now about what we said 00:11:45.230 --> 00:11:57.120 so far? Everything extremely crystal clear. OK, no clarity is left? I see. Oh, 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:07.570 one question, in the back. Q: Can you maybe turn the volume up a 00:12:07.570 --> 00:12:20.220 little bit? Thank you. Daniel: Yeah, I think this is your 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:27.959 section, right? Oh, its Amir again. Sorry. Amir: So I want to talk about my favorite 00:12:27.959 --> 00:12:32.279 topic, the dungeons of, dungeons of every production system, databases. The database 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:39.580 of Wikipedia is really interesting and complicated on its own. We use MariaDB, we 00:12:39.580 --> 00:12:45.870 switched from MySQL in 2013 for lots of complicated reasons. As, as I said, 00:12:45.870 --> 00:12:50.200 because we are really open source, you can go and not just check our database tree, 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:55.310 that says, like, how it looks and what's the replicas and masters. Actually, you 00:12:55.310 --> 00:12:59.650 can even query the Wikipedia's database live when you have that, you can just go 00:12:59.650 --> 00:13:02.930 to that address and login with your Wikipedia account and just can do whatever 00:13:02.930 --> 00:13:07.430 you want. Like, it was a funny thing that a couple of months ago, someone sent me a 00:13:07.430 --> 00:13:12.970 message, sent me a message like, oh, I found a security issue. You can just query 00:13:12.970 --> 00:13:18.000 Wikipedia's database. I was like, no, no, it's actually, we, we let this happen. 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.900 It's like, it's sanitized. We removed the password hashes and everything. But still, 00:13:21.900 --> 00:13:27.779 you can use this. And, but if you wanted to say, like, how the clusters work, the 00:13:27.779 --> 00:13:32.029 database clusters, because it gets too big, they first started sharding, but now 00:13:32.029 --> 00:13:36.279 we have sections that are basically different clusters. Uh, really large wikis 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:42.839 have their own section. For example, English Wikipedia is s1. German Wikipedia 00:13:42.839 --> 00:13:50.820 with two or three other small wikis are in s5. Wikidata is on s8, and so on. And 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:56.250 each section have a master and several replicas. But one of the replicas is 00:13:56.250 --> 00:14:01.700 actually a master in another data center because of the failover that I told you. 00:14:01.700 --> 00:14:08.079 So it is, basically two layers of replication exist. This is, what I'm 00:14:08.079 --> 00:14:13.070 telling you, is about metadata. But for Wikitext, we also need to have a complete 00:14:13.070 --> 00:14:19.450 different set of databases. But it can be, we use consistent hashing to just scale it 00:14:19.450 --> 00:14:27.630 horizontally so we can just put more databases on it, for that. Uh, but I don't 00:14:27.630 --> 00:14:32.070 know if you know it, but Wikipedia stores every edit. So you have the text of, 00:14:32.070 --> 00:14:36.930 Wikitext of every edit in the whole history in the database. Uhm, also we have 00:14:36.930 --> 00:14:41.910 parser cache that Daniel explained, and parser cache is also consistent hashing. 00:14:41.910 --> 00:14:47.000 So we just can horizontally scale it. But for metadata, it is slightly more 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:56.440 complicated. Um, metadata shows and is being used to render the page. So in order 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.680 to do this, this is, for example, a very short version of the database tree that I 00:15:01.680 --> 00:15:07.019 showed you. You can even go and look for other ones but this is a s1. s1 eqiad this 00:15:07.019 --> 00:15:12.100 is the main data center the master is this number and it replicates to some of this 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:16.860 and then this 7, the second one that this was with 2000 because it's the second data 00:15:16.860 --> 00:15:24.750 center and it's a master of the other one. And it has its own replications 00:15:24.750 --> 00:15:30.680 between cross three replications because the master, that master data center is in 00:15:30.680 --> 00:15:37.399 Ashburn, Virginia. The second data center is in Dallas, Texas. So they need to have a 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.220 cross DC replication and that happens with a TLS to make sure that no one starts 00:15:43.220 --> 00:15:49.200 to listen to, in between these two, and we have snapshots and even dumps of the whole 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.440 history of Wikipedia. You can go to dumps.wikimedia.org and download the whole 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:59.130 reserve every wiki you want, except the ones that we had to remove for privacy 00:15:59.130 --> 00:16:04.899 reasons and with a lots and lots of backups. I recently realized we have lots 00:16:04.899 --> 00:16:15.149 of backups. And in total it is 570 TB of data and total 150 database servers and a 00:16:15.149 --> 00:16:20.269 queries that happens to them is around 350,000 queries per second and, in total, 00:16:20.269 --> 00:16:29.459 it requires 70 terabytes of RAM. So and also we have another storage section that 00:16:29.459 --> 00:16:35.000 called Elasticsearch which you can guess it- it's being used for search, on the top 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:39.050 right, if you're using desktop. It's different in mobile, I think. And also it 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:44.610 depends on if you're rtl language as well, but also it runs by a team called search 00:16:44.610 --> 00:16:47.550 platform because none of us are from search platform we cannot explain it this 00:16:47.550 --> 00:16:54.010 much we don't know much how it works it slightly. Also we have a media storage for 00:16:54.010 --> 00:16:58.420 all of the free pictures that's being uploaded to Wikimedia like, for example, 00:16:58.420 --> 00:17:02.400 if you have a category in Commons. Commons is our wiki that holds all of the free 00:17:02.400 --> 00:17:08.130 media and if we have a category in Commons called cats looking at left and you have 00:17:08.130 --> 00:17:15.630 category cats looking at right so we have lots and lots of images. It's 390 terabytes 00:17:15.630 --> 00:17:20.620 of media, 1 billion object and uses Swift. Swift is the object is storage component 00:17:20.620 --> 00:17:29.190 of OpenStack and it has it has several layers of caching, frontend, backend. 00:17:29.190 --> 00:17:36.799 Yeah, that's mostly it. And we want to talk about traffic now and so this picture 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:43.929 is when Sweden in 1967 moved from a left- driving from left to there driving to 00:17:43.929 --> 00:17:48.999 right. This is basically what happens in Wikipedia infrastructure as well. So we 00:17:48.999 --> 00:17:54.942 have five caching layers and the most recent one is eqsin which is in Singapore, 00:17:54.942 --> 00:17:59.310 the three one are just CDN ulsfo, codfw, esams and eqsin. Sorry, ulsfo, esams and 00:17:59.310 --> 00:18:06.590 eqsin are just CDNs. We have also two points of presence, one in Chicago and the 00:18:06.590 --> 00:18:15.080 other one is also in Amsterdam, but we don't get to that. So, we have, as I said, 00:18:15.080 --> 00:18:20.230 we have our own content delivery network with our traffic or allocation is done by 00:18:20.230 --> 00:18:26.860 GeoDNS which actually is written and maintained by one of the traffic people, 00:18:26.860 --> 00:18:32.140 and we can pool and depool DCs. It has a time to live of 10 minute- 10 minutes, so 00:18:32.140 --> 00:18:37.950 if a data center goes down. We have - it takes 10 minutes to actually propagate for 00:18:37.950 --> 00:18:47.110 being depooled and repooled again. And we use LVS as transport layer and this layer 00:18:47.110 --> 00:18:55.799 3 and 4 of the Linux load balancer for Linux and supports consistent hashing and 00:18:55.799 --> 00:19:00.679 also we ever got we grow so big that we needed to have something that manages the 00:19:00.679 --> 00:19:07.100 load balancer so we wrote something our own system is called pybal. And also we - 00:19:07.100 --> 00:19:11.210 lots of companies actually peer with us. We for example directly connect to 00:19:11.210 --> 00:19:20.440 Amsterdam amps X. So this is how the caching works, which is, anyway, it's 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:24.779 there is lots of reasons for this. Let's just get the started. We use TLS, we 00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:31.080 support TLS 1.2 where we have K then the first layer we have nginx-. Do you 00:19:31.080 --> 00:19:40.049 know it - does anyone know what nginx- means? And so that's related but not - not 00:19:40.049 --> 00:19:46.780 correct. So we have nginx which is the free version and we have nginx plus which is 00:19:46.780 --> 00:19:51.729 the commercial version and nginx. But we don't use nginx to do load balancing or 00:19:51.729 --> 00:19:56.389 anything so we stripped out everything from it, and we just use it for TLS 00:19:56.389 --> 00:20:02.019 termination so we call it nginx-, is an internal joke. So and then we have Varnish 00:20:02.019 --> 00:20:09.809 frontend. Varnish also is a caching layer and this is the frontend is on the memory 00:20:09.809 --> 00:20:15.000 which is very very fast and you have the backend which is on the storage and the 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:22.559 hard disk but this is slow. The fun thing is like just CDN caching layer takes 90% 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.869 of our requests. Its response and 90% of because just gets to the Varnish and just 00:20:26.869 --> 00:20:34.720 return and then with doesn't work it goes through the application layer. The Varnish 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:41.259 holds-- it has a TTL of 24 hours so if you change an article, it also get invalidated 00:20:41.259 --> 00:20:47.159 by the application. So if someone added the CDN actually purges the result. And the 00:20:47.159 --> 00:20:52.330 thing is, the frontend is shorted that can spike by request so you come here load 00:20:52.330 --> 00:20:56.470 balancer just randomly sends your request to a frontend but then the backend is 00:20:56.470 --> 00:21:00.989 actually, if the frontend can't find it, it sends it to the backend and the backend 00:21:00.989 --> 00:21:09.700 is actually sort of - how is it called? - it's a used hash by request, so, for 00:21:09.700 --> 00:21:15.402 example, article of Barack Obama is only being served from one node in the data 00:21:15.402 --> 00:21:22.059 center in the CDN. If none of this works it actually hits the other data center. So, 00:21:22.059 --> 00:21:29.940 yeah, I actually explained all of this. So we have two - two caching clusters and one 00:21:29.940 --> 00:21:35.820 is called text and the other one is called upload, it's not confusing at all, and if 00:21:35.820 --> 00:21:42.559 you want to find out, you can just do mtr en.wikipedia.org and you - you're - the end 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:49.909 node is text-lb.wikimedia.org which is the our text storage but if you go to 00:21:49.909 --> 00:21:57.789 upload.wikimedia.org, you get to hit the upload cluster. Yeah this is so far, what 00:21:57.789 --> 00:22:03.669 is it, and it has lots of problems because a) varnish is open core, so the version 00:22:03.669 --> 00:22:09.309 that you use is open source we don't use the commercial one, but the open core one 00:22:09.309 --> 00:22:21.009 doesn't support TLS. What? What happened? Okay. No, no, no! You should I just- 00:22:21.009 --> 00:22:35.789 you're not supposed to see this. Okay, sorry for the- huh? Okay, okay sorry. So 00:22:35.789 --> 00:22:40.119 Varnish has lots of problems, Varnish is open core, it doesn't support TLS 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:45.220 termination which makes us to have this nginx- their system just to do TLS 00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:49.539 termination, makes our system complicated. It doesn't work very well with so if that 00:22:49.539 --> 00:22:55.970 causes us to have a cron job to restart every Varnish node twice a week. We have a 00:22:55.970 --> 00:23:04.330 cron job that this restarts every Vanish node which is embarrassing, but also, on 00:23:04.330 --> 00:23:08.809 the other hand then the end of Varnish like backend wants to talk to the 00:23:08.809 --> 00:23:13.010 application layer, it also doesn't support terminate - TLS termination, so we use 00:23:13.010 --> 00:23:19.970 IPSec which is even more embarrassing, but we are changing it. So we call it, if you 00:23:19.970 --> 00:23:25.080 are using a particular fixed server which is very very nice and it's also open 00:23:25.080 --> 00:23:31.070 source, a fully open source like in with Apache Foundation, Apache does the TLS, 00:23:31.070 --> 00:23:37.169 does the TLS by termination and still for now we have a Varnish frontend that 00:23:37.169 --> 00:23:44.809 still exists but a backend is also going to change to the ATS, so we call this ATS 00:23:44.809 --> 00:23:49.970 sandwich. Two ATS happening between and there the middle there's a Varnish. The 00:23:49.970 --> 00:23:55.269 good thing is that the TLS termination when it moves to ATS, you can actually use 00:23:55.269 --> 00:24:01.499 TLS 1.3 which is more modern and more secure and even very faster so it 00:24:01.499 --> 00:24:05.889 basically drops 100 milliseconds from every request that goes to Wikipedia. 00:24:05.889 --> 00:24:12.350 That translates to centuries of our users' time every month, but ATS is going 00:24:12.350 --> 00:24:19.480 on and hopefully it will go live soon and once these are done, so this is the new 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:25.669 version. And, as I said, the TLS and when we can do this we can actually use the 00:24:25.669 --> 00:24:36.519 more secure instead of IPSec to talk about between data centers. Yes. And now it's 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:42.260 time that Lucas talks about what happens when you type in en.wikipedia.org. 00:24:42.260 --> 00:24:44.879 Lucas: Yes, this makes sense, thank you. 00:24:44.879 --> 00:24:49.070 So, first of all, what you see on the slide here as the image doesn't really 00:24:49.070 --> 00:24:52.299 have anything to do with what happens when you type in wikipedia.org because it's an 00:24:52.299 --> 00:24:57.249 offline Wikipedia reader but it's just a nice image. So this is basically a summary 00:24:57.249 --> 00:25:02.850 of everything they already said, so if, which is the most common case, you are 00:25:02.850 --> 00:25:10.969 lucky and get a URL which is cached, then, so, first your computer asked for the IP 00:25:10.969 --> 00:25:15.619 address of en.wikipedia.org it reaches this whole DNS daemon and because we're at 00:25:15.619 --> 00:25:19.239 Congress here it tells you the closest data center is the one in Amsterdam, so 00:25:19.239 --> 00:25:25.759 esams and it's going to hit the edge, what we call load bouncers/router there, then 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:31.929 going through TLS termination through nginx- and then it's going to hit the 00:25:31.929 --> 00:25:36.809 Varnish caching server, either frontend or backends and then you get a response and 00:25:36.809 --> 00:25:40.940 that's already it and nothing else is ever bothered again. It doesn't even reach any 00:25:40.940 --> 00:25:46.320 other data center which is very nice and so that's, you said around 90% of the 00:25:46.320 --> 00:25:52.419 requests we get, and if you're unlucky and the URL you requested is not in the 00:25:52.419 --> 00:25:57.400 Varnish in the Amsterdam data center then it gets forwarded to the eqiad data 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:01.519 center, which is the primary one and there it still has a chance to hit the cache and 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.840 perhaps this time it's there and then the response is going to get cached in the 00:26:04.840 --> 00:26:09.739 frontend, no, in the Amsterdam Varnish and you're also going to get a response and we 00:26:09.739 --> 00:26:13.639 still don't have to run any application stuff. If we do have to hit any 00:26:13.639 --> 00:26:17.450 application stuff and then Varnish is going to forward that, if it's 00:26:17.450 --> 00:26:22.970 upload.wikimedia.org, it goes to the media storage Swift, if it's any other domain it 00:26:22.970 --> 00:26:28.450 goes to MediaWiki and then MediaWiki does a ton of work to connect to the database, 00:26:28.450 --> 00:26:33.529 in this case the first shard for English Wikipedia, get the wiki text from there, 00:26:33.529 --> 00:26:38.599 get the wiki text of all the related pages and templates. No, wait I forgot 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:43.519 something. First it checks if the HTML for this page is available in parser cache, so 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.909 that's another caching layer, and this application cache - this parser cache 00:26:46.909 --> 00:26:53.529 might either be memcached or the database cache behind it and if it's not there, 00:26:53.529 --> 00:26:57.679 then it has to go get the wikitext, get all the related things and render that 00:26:57.679 --> 00:27:03.679 into HTML which takes a long time and goes through some pretty ancient code and if 00:27:03.679 --> 00:27:07.779 you are doing an edit or an upload, it's even worse, because then always has to go 00:27:07.779 --> 00:27:13.969 to MediaWiki and then it not only has to store this new edit, either in the media 00:27:13.969 --> 00:27:19.629 back-end or in the database, it also has update a bunch of stuff, like, especially 00:27:19.629 --> 00:27:25.200 if you-- first of all, it has to purge the cache, it has to tell all the Varnish 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.999 servers that there's a new version of this URL available so that it doesn't take a 00:27:28.999 --> 00:27:33.940 full day until the time-to-live expires. It also has to update a bunch of things, 00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:38.639 for example, if you edited a template, it might have been used in a million pages 00:27:38.639 --> 00:27:43.750 and the next time anyone requests one of those million pages, those should also 00:27:43.750 --> 00:27:49.019 actually be rendered again using the new version of the template so it has to 00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:54.149 invalidate the cache for all of those and all that is deferred through the job queue 00:27:54.149 --> 00:28:01.440 and it might have to calculate thumbnails if you uploaded the file or create a - 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:06.609 retranscode media files because maybe you uploaded in - what do we support? - you 00:28:06.609 --> 00:28:09.839 upload in WebM and the browser only supports some other media codec or 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.869 something, we transcode that and also encode it down to the different 00:28:12.869 --> 00:28:19.740 resolutions, so then it goes through that whole dance and, yeah, that was already 00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:23.769 those slides. Is Amir going to talk again about how we manage - 00:28:23.769 --> 00:28:29.519 Amir: I mean okay yeah I quickly come back just for a short break to talk about 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:36.690 managing to manage because managing 100- 1300 bare metal hardware plus a Kubernetes 00:28:36.690 --> 00:28:42.700 cluster is not easy, so what we do is that we use Puppet for configuration 00:28:42.700 --> 00:28:48.220 management in our bare metal systems, it's fun, five to 50,000 lines of Puppet code. I 00:28:48.220 --> 00:28:52.119 mean, lines of code is not a great indicator but you can roughly get an 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:59.149 estimate of how its things work and we have 100,000 lines of Ruby and we have our 00:28:59.149 --> 00:29:04.429 CI and CD cluster, we have so we don't store anything in GitHub or GitLab, we 00:29:04.429 --> 00:29:10.559 have our own system which is based on Gerrit and for that we have a system of 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.539 Jenkins and the Jenkins does all of this kind of things and also because we have a 00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:21.960 Kubernetes cluster for services, some of our services, if you make a merger change 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:26.440 in the Gerrit it also builds the Docker files and containers and push it up to the 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:35.440 production and also in order to run remote SSH commands, we have cumin that's like in 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.200 the house automation and we built this farm for our systems and for example you 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:45.570 go there and say ok we pull this node or run this command in all of the data 00:29:45.570 --> 00:29:52.889 Varnish nodes that I told you like you want to restart them. And with this I get 00:29:52.889 --> 00:29:57.899 back to Lucas. Lucas: So, I am going to talk a bit more 00:29:57.899 --> 00:30:01.929 about Wikimedia Cloud Services which is a bit different in that it's not really our 00:30:01.929 --> 00:30:06.269 production stuff but it's where you people, the volunteers of the Wikimedia 00:30:06.269 --> 00:30:11.489 movement can run their own code, so you can request a project which is kind of a 00:30:11.489 --> 00:30:15.509 group of users and then you get assigned a pool of you have this much CPU and this 00:30:15.509 --> 00:30:20.999 much RAM and you can create virtual machines with those resources and then do 00:30:20.999 --> 00:30:29.119 stuff there and run basically whatever you want, to create and boot and shut down the 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:33.360 VMs and stuff we use OpenStack and there's a Horizon frontend for that which you use 00:30:33.360 --> 00:30:36.409 through the browser and it's largely out all the time but otherwise it works pretty 00:30:36.409 --> 00:30:42.619 well. Internally, ideally you manage the VMs using Puppet but a lot of people just 00:30:42.619 --> 00:30:47.860 SSH in and then do whatever they need to set up the VM manually and it happens, 00:30:47.860 --> 00:30:52.759 well, and there's a few big projects like Toolforge where you can run your own web- 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:57.499 based tools or the beta cluster which is basically a copy of some of the biggest 00:30:57.499 --> 00:31:02.499 wikis like there's a beta English Wikipedia, beta Wikidata, beta Wikimedia 00:31:02.499 --> 00:31:08.320 Commons using mostly the same configuration as production but using the 00:31:08.320 --> 00:31:12.450 current master version of the software instead of whatever we deploy once a week so 00:31:12.450 --> 00:31:15.840 if there's a bug, we see it earlier hopefully, even if we didn't catch it 00:31:15.840 --> 00:31:20.279 locally, because the beta cluster is more similar to the production environment and 00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:24.230 also the continuous - continuous integration service run in Wikimedia Cloud 00:31:24.230 --> 00:31:28.979 Services as well. Yeah and also you have to have Kubernetes somewhere on these 00:31:28.979 --> 00:31:33.609 slides right, so you can use that to distribute work between the tools in 00:31:33.609 --> 00:31:37.179 Toolforge or you can use the grid engine which does a similar thing but it's like 00:31:37.179 --> 00:31:42.519 three decades old and through five forks now I think the current fork we use is son 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:46.999 of grid engine and I don't know what it was called before, but that's Cloud 00:31:46.999 --> 00:31:54.789 Services. Amir: So in a nutshell, this is our - our 00:31:54.789 --> 00:32:01.090 systems. We have 1300 bare metal services with lots and lots of caching, like lots 00:32:01.090 --> 00:32:06.919 of layers of caching, because mostly we serves read and we can just keep them as a 00:32:06.919 --> 00:32:12.179 cached version and all of this is open source, you can contribute to it, if you 00:32:12.179 --> 00:32:18.089 want to and there's a lot of configuration is also open and I - this is the way I got 00:32:18.089 --> 00:32:21.940 hired like I open it started contributing to the system I feel like yeah we can- 00:32:21.940 --> 00:32:31.549 come and work for us, so this is a - Daniel: That's actually how all of us got 00:32:31.549 --> 00:32:38.350 hired. Amir: So yeah, and this is the whole thing 00:32:38.350 --> 00:32:47.570 that happens in Wikimedia and if you want to - no, if you want to help us, we are 00:32:47.570 --> 00:32:51.419 hiring. You can just go to jobs at wikimedia.org, if you want to work for 00:32:51.419 --> 00:32:54.379 Wikimedia Foundation. If you want to work with Wikimedia Deutschland, you can go to 00:32:54.379 --> 00:32:59.179 wikimedia.de and at the bottom there's a link for jobs because the links got too 00:32:59.179 --> 00:33:03.469 long. If you can contribute, if you want to contribute to us, there is so many ways 00:33:03.469 --> 00:33:07.929 to contribute, as I said, there's so many bugs, we have our own graphical system, 00:33:07.929 --> 00:33:12.721 you can just look at the monitor and a Phabricator is our bug tracker, you can 00:33:12.721 --> 00:33:20.639 just go there and find the bug and fix things. Actually, we have one repository 00:33:20.639 --> 00:33:26.469 that is private but it only holds the certificate for as TLS and things that are 00:33:26.469 --> 00:33:31.499 really really private then we cannot remove them. But also there are 00:33:31.499 --> 00:33:33.779 documentations, the documentation for infrastructure is at 00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:40.409 wikitech.wikimedia.org and documentation for configuration is at noc.wikimedia.org 00:33:40.409 --> 00:33:46.599 plus the documentation of our codebase. The documentation for MediaWiki itself is 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:52.989 at mediawiki.org and also we have a our own system of URL shortener you can go to 00:33:52.989 --> 00:33:58.789 w.wiki and short and shorten any URL in Wikimedia structure so we reserved the 00:33:58.789 --> 00:34:08.779 dollar sign for the donate site and yeah, you have any questions, please. 00:34:08.779 --> 00:34:16.540 Applause 00:34:16.540 --> 00:34:21.679 Daniel: It's if you know we have quite a bit of time for questions so if anything wasn't 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:27.149 clear or they're curious about anything please, please ask. 00:34:27.149 --> 00:34:37.200 AM: So one question what is not in the presentation. Do you have any efforts with 00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:42.460 hacking attacks? Amir: So the first rule of security issues 00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:49.210 is that we don't talk about security issues but let's say this baby has all sorts of 00:34:49.210 --> 00:34:56.240 attacks happening, we have usually we have DDo. Once there was happening a couple of 00:34:56.240 --> 00:34:59.819 months ago that was very successful. I don't know if you read the news about 00:34:59.819 --> 00:35:05.200 that, but we also, we have a infrastructure to handle this, we have a security team 00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:12.740 that handles these cases and yes. AM: Hello how do you manage access to your 00:35:12.740 --> 00:35:20.069 infrastructure from your employees? Amir: So it's SS-- so we have a LDAP 00:35:20.069 --> 00:35:25.390 group and LDAP for the web-based systems but for SSH and for this ssh we 00:35:25.390 --> 00:35:30.660 have strict protocols and then you get a private key and some people usually 00:35:30.660 --> 00:35:35.480 protect their private key using UV keys and then you have you can SSH to the 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:40.420 system basically. Lucas: Yeah, well, there's some 00:35:40.420 --> 00:35:44.720 firewalling setup but there's only one server for data center that you can 00:35:44.720 --> 00:35:48.221 actually reach through SSH and then you have to tunnel through that to get to any 00:35:48.221 --> 00:35:51.359 other server. Amir: And also, like, we have we have a 00:35:51.359 --> 00:35:55.500 internal firewall and it's basically if you go to the inside of the production you 00:35:55.500 --> 00:36:01.450 cannot talk to the outside. You even, you for example do git clone github.org, it 00:36:01.450 --> 00:36:07.200 doesn't, github.com doesn't work. It only can access tools that are for inside 00:36:07.200 --> 00:36:13.390 Wikimedia Foundation infrastructure. AM: Okay, hi, you said you do TLS 00:36:13.390 --> 00:36:18.640 termination through nginx, do you still allow non-HTTPS so it should be non-secure access. 00:36:18.640 --> 00:36:22.780 Amir: No we dropped it a really long time ago but also 00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:25.069 Lucas: 2013 or so Amir: Yeah, 2015 00:36:25.069 --> 00:36:28.651 Lucas: 2015 Amir: 2013 started serving the most of the 00:36:28.651 --> 00:36:35.740 traffic but 15, we dropped all of the HTTP- non-HTTPS protocols and recently even 00:36:35.740 --> 00:36:43.940 dropped and we are not serving any SSL requests anymore and TLS 1.1 is also being 00:36:43.940 --> 00:36:48.460 phased out, so we are sending you a warning to the users like you're using TLS 1.1, 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:54.810 please migrate to these new things that came out around 10 years ago, so yeah 00:36:54.810 --> 00:36:59.849 Lucas: Yeah I think the deadline for that is like February 2020 or something then 00:36:59.849 --> 00:37:04.710 we'll only have TLS 1.2 Amir: And soon we are going to support TLS 00:37:04.710 --> 00:37:06.640 1.3 Lucas: Yeah 00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:12.460 Are there any questions? Q: so does read-only traffic 00:37:12.460 --> 00:37:18.029 from logged in users hit all the way through to the parser cache or is there 00:37:18.029 --> 00:37:22.280 another layer of caching for that? Amir: Yes we, you bypass all of 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:28.470 that, you can. Daniel: We need one more microphone. Yes, 00:37:28.470 --> 00:37:33.869 it actually does and this is a pretty big problem and something we want to look into 00:37:33.869 --> 00:37:38.930 clears throat but it requires quite a bit of rearchitecting. If you are 00:37:38.930 --> 00:37:44.250 interested in this kind of thing, maybe come to my talk tomorrow at noon. 00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:48.819 Amir: Yeah one reason we can, we are planning to do is active active so we have 00:37:48.819 --> 00:37:56.500 two primaries and the read request gets request - from like the users can hit 00:37:56.500 --> 00:37:58.460 their secondary data center instead of the main one. 00:37:58.460 --> 00:38:03.990 Lucas: I think there was a question way in the back there, for some time already 00:38:03.990 --> 00:38:13.950 AM: Hi, I got a question. I read on the Wikitech that you are using karate as a 00:38:13.950 --> 00:38:19.040 validation platform for some parts, can you tell us something about this or what 00:38:19.040 --> 00:38:24.619 parts of Wikipedia or Wikimedia are hosted on this platform? 00:38:24.619 --> 00:38:29.589 Amir: I am I'm not oh sorry so I don't know this kind of very very sure but take 00:38:29.589 --> 00:38:34.390 it with a grain of salt but as far as I know karate is used to build a very small 00:38:34.390 --> 00:38:39.829 VMs in productions that we need for very very small micro sites that we serve to 00:38:39.829 --> 00:38:45.619 the users. So we built just one or two VMs, we don't use it very as often as I think 00:38:45.619 --> 00:38:54.819 so. AM: Do you also think about open hardware? 00:38:54.819 --> 00:39:03.950 Amir: I don't, you can Daniel: Not - not for servers. I think for 00:39:03.950 --> 00:39:07.500 the offline Reader project, but this is not actually run by the Foundation, it's 00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:10.289 supported but it's not something that the Foundation does. They were sort of 00:39:10.289 --> 00:39:15.100 thinking about open hardware but really open hardware in practice usually means, 00:39:15.100 --> 00:39:19.609 you - you don't, you know, if you really want to go down to the chip design, it's 00:39:19.609 --> 00:39:25.210 pretty tough, so yeah, it's- it's it- it's usually not practical, sadly. 00:39:25.210 --> 00:39:31.660 Amir: And one thing I can say but this is that we have a some machine - machines that 00:39:31.660 --> 00:39:37.150 are really powerful that we give to the researchers to run analysis on the between 00:39:37.150 --> 00:39:43.369 this itself and we needed to have GPUs for those but the problem was - was there 00:39:43.369 --> 00:39:49.109 wasn't any open source driver for them so we migrated and use AMD I think, but AMD 00:39:49.109 --> 00:39:53.609 didn't fit in the rack it was a quite a endeavor to get it to work for our 00:39:53.609 --> 00:40:03.710 researchers to help you CPU. AM: I'm still impressed that you answer 00:40:03.710 --> 00:40:10.920 90% out of the cache. Do all people access the same pages or is the cache that huge? 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:21.160 So what percentage of - of the whole database is in the cache then? 00:40:21.160 --> 00:40:29.760 Daniel: I don't have the exact numbers to be honest, but a large percentage of the 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:36.769 whole database is in the cache. I mean it expires after 24 hours so really obscure 00:40:36.769 --> 00:40:43.430 stuff isn't there but I mean it's- it's a- it's a- it's a power-law distribution 00:40:43.430 --> 00:40:47.890 right? You have a few pages that are accessed a lot and you have many many many 00:40:47.890 --> 00:40:55.420 pages that are not actually accessed at all for a week or so except maybe for a 00:40:55.420 --> 00:41:01.740 crawler, so I don't know a number. My guess would be it's less than 50% that is 00:41:01.740 --> 00:41:06.520 actually cached but, you know, that still covers 90%-- it's probably the top 10% of 00:41:06.520 --> 00:41:11.630 pages would still cover 90% of the pageviews, but I don't-- this would be 00:41:11.630 --> 00:41:15.509 actually-- I should look this up, it would be interesting numbers to have, yes. 00:41:15.509 --> 00:41:20.710 Lucas: Do you know if this is 90% of the pageviews or 90% of the get requests 00:41:20.710 --> 00:41:24.279 because, like, requests for the JavaScript would also be cached more often, I assume 00:41:24.279 --> 00:41:27.529 Daniel: I would expect that for non- pageviews, it's even higher 00:41:27.529 --> 00:41:30.010 Lucas: Yeah Daniel: Yeah, because you know all the 00:41:30.010 --> 00:41:34.150 icons and- and, you know, JavaScript bundles and CSS and stuff doesn't ever 00:41:34.150 --> 00:41:40.309 change Lucas: I'm gonna say for every 180 min 90% 00:41:40.309 --> 00:41:50.790 but there's a question back there AM: Hey. Do your data centers run on green 00:41:50.790 --> 00:41:55.220 energy? Amir: Very valid question. So, the 00:41:55.220 --> 00:42:03.450 Amsterdam city n1 is a full green but the other ones are partially green, partially 00:42:03.450 --> 00:42:10.840 coal and like gas. As far as I know, there are some plans to make them move away from 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.170 it but the other hand we realized that if we don't produce as much as a carbon 00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:21.349 emission because we don't have much servers and we don't use much data, there was a 00:42:21.349 --> 00:42:26.789 summation and that we realized our carbon emission is basically as the same as 200 00:42:26.789 --> 00:42:34.720 and in the datacenter plus all of their travel that all of this have to and all of 00:42:34.720 --> 00:42:37.880 the events is 250 households, it's very very small it's I think it's one 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:44.890 thousandth of the comparable traffic with Facebook even if you just cut 00:42:44.890 --> 00:42:50.650 down with the same traffic because Facebook collects the data, it runs very 00:42:50.650 --> 00:42:54.269 sophisticated machine learning algorithms that's that's a real complicate, but for 00:42:54.269 --> 00:43:01.119 Wikimedia, we don't do this so we don't need much energy. Does - does the answer 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.920 your question? Herald: Do we have any other 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:15.720 questions left? Yeah sorry AM: hi how many developers do you need to 00:43:15.720 --> 00:43:19.789 maintain the whole infrastructure and how many developers or let's say head 00:43:19.789 --> 00:43:24.500 developer hours you needed to build the whole infrastructure like the question is 00:43:24.500 --> 00:43:29.329 because what I find very interesting about the talk it's a non-profit, so as an 00:43:29.329 --> 00:43:34.109 example for other nonprofits is how much money are we talking about in order to 00:43:34.109 --> 00:43:38.760 build something like this as a digital common. 00:43:45.630 --> 00:43:48.980 Daniel: If this is just about actually running all this so just operations is 00:43:48.980 --> 00:43:53.530 less than 20 people I think which makes if you if you basically divide the requests 00:43:53.530 --> 00:43:59.869 per second by people you get to something like 8,000 requests per second per 00:43:59.869 --> 00:44:04.369 operations engineer which I think is a pretty impressive number. This is probably 00:44:04.369 --> 00:44:09.809 a lot higher I would I would really like to know if there's any organization that 00:44:09.809 --> 00:44:17.270 tops that. I don't actually know the whole the the actual operations budget I know is 00:44:17.270 --> 00:44:24.559 it two two-digit millions annually. Total hours for building this over the last 18 00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:29.069 years, I have no idea. For the for the first five or so years, the people doing 00:44:29.069 --> 00:44:34.609 it were actually volunteers. We still had volunteer database administrators and 00:44:34.609 --> 00:44:42.160 stuff until maybe ten years ago, eight years ago, so yeah it's really nobody 00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:44.589 did any accounting of this I can only guess. 00:44:56.669 --> 00:45:03.810 AM: Hello a tools question. I a few years back I saw some interesting examples of 00:45:03.810 --> 00:45:09.089 saltstack use for Wikimedia but right now I see only Puppet that come in mentioned 00:45:09.089 --> 00:45:17.819 so kind of what happened with that Amir: I think we dished saltstack you - 00:45:17.819 --> 00:45:22.970 I don't I cannot because none of us are in the Cloud Services team and I don't think 00:45:22.970 --> 00:45:27.380 I can answer you but if you look at the wikitech.wikimedia.org, it's 00:45:27.380 --> 00:45:30.869 probably if last time I checked says like it's deprecated and obsolete we don't use 00:45:30.869 --> 00:45:32.144 it anymore. 00:45:37.394 --> 00:45:39.920 AM: Do you use the bat-ropes like the top 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:46.130 runners to fill spare capacity on the web serving servers or do you have dedicated 00:45:46.130 --> 00:45:51.589 servers for the roles. Lucas: I think they're dedicated. 00:45:51.589 --> 00:45:56.390 Amir: The job runners if you're asking job runners are dedicated yes they are they are I 00:45:56.390 --> 00:46:02.910 think 5 per primary data center so Daniel: Yeah they don't, I mean do we do we 00:46:02.910 --> 00:46:06.559 actually have any spare capacity on anything? We don't have that much hardware 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:08.700 everything is pretty much at a hundred percent. 00:46:08.700 --> 00:46:14.109 Lucas: I think we still have some server that is just called misc1111 or something 00:46:14.109 --> 00:46:18.620 which run five different things at once, you can look for those on wikitech. 00:46:18.620 --> 00:46:25.820 Amir: But but we go oh sorry it's not five it's 20 per data center 20 per primary 00:46:25.820 --> 00:46:31.440 data center that's our job runner and they run 700 jobs per second. 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.690 Lucas: And I think that does not include the video scaler so those are separate 00:46:35.690 --> 00:46:38.109 again Amir: No, they merged them in like a month 00:46:38.109 --> 00:46:40.040 ago Lucas: Okay, cool 00:46:47.470 --> 00:46:51.420 AM: Maybe a little bit off topic that can tell us a little bit about decision making 00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:55.750 process for- for technical decision, architecture decisions, how does it work 00:46:55.750 --> 00:47:01.890 in an organization like this: decision making process for architectural 00:47:01.890 --> 00:47:03.409 decisions for example. 00:47:08.279 --> 00:47:11.009 Daniel: Yeah so Wikimedia has a 00:47:11.009 --> 00:47:16.539 committee for making high-level technical decisions, it's called a Wikimedia 00:47:16.539 --> 00:47:23.609 Technical Committee, techcom and we run an RFC process so any decision that is a 00:47:23.609 --> 00:47:27.540 cross-cutting strategic are especially hard to undo should go through this 00:47:27.540 --> 00:47:33.579 process and it's pretty informal, basically you file a ticket and start 00:47:33.579 --> 00:47:38.000 this process. It gets announced in the mailing list, hopefully you get 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:45.009 input and feedback and at some point it is it's approved for implementation. We're 00:47:45.009 --> 00:47:48.640 currently looking into improving this process, it's not- sometimes it works 00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:52.200 pretty well, sometimes things don't get that much feedback but it still it makes 00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:55.890 sure that people are aware of these high- level decisions 00:47:55.890 --> 00:47:59.790 Amir: Daniel is the chair of that committee 00:48:02.160 --> 00:48:07.839 Daniel: Yeah, if you want to complain about the process, please do. 00:48:13.549 --> 00:48:21.440 AM: yes regarding CI and CD across along the pipeline, of course with that much traffic 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:27.359 you want to keep everything consistent right. So is there any testing 00:48:27.359 --> 00:48:32.150 strategies that you have said internally, like of course unit tests integration 00:48:32.150 --> 00:48:35.790 tests but do you do something like continuous end to end testing on beta 00:48:35.790 --> 00:48:40.100 instances? Amir: So if we have beta cluster but also 00:48:40.100 --> 00:48:44.670 we do deploy, we call it train and so we deploy once a week, all of the changes 00:48:44.670 --> 00:48:50.349 gets merged to one, like a branch and the branch gets cut in every Tuesday and it 00:48:50.349 --> 00:48:54.680 first goes to the test wikis and then it goes to all of the wikis that are 00:48:54.680 --> 00:48:59.270 not Wikipedia except Catalan and Hebrew Wikipedia. So basically Hebrew and Catalan 00:48:59.270 --> 00:49:03.759 Wikipedia volunteer to be the guinea pigs of the next wikis and if everything works 00:49:03.759 --> 00:49:07.599 fine usually it goes there and is like oh the fatal mater and we have a logging and 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:12.579 then it's like okay we need to fix this and we fix it immediately and then it goes 00:49:12.579 --> 00:49:18.690 live to all wikis. This is one way of looking at it well so okay yeah 00:49:18.690 --> 00:49:23.279 Daniel: So, our test coverage is not as great as it should be and so we kind of, 00:49:23.279 --> 00:49:30.970 you know, abuse our users for this. We are, of course, working to improve this 00:49:30.970 --> 00:49:37.230 and one thing that we started recently is a program for creating end-to-end tests 00:49:37.230 --> 00:49:43.460 for all the API modules we have, in the hope that we can thereby cover pretty much 00:49:43.460 --> 00:49:49.849 all of the application logic bypassing the user interface. I mean, full end-to-end 00:49:49.849 --> 00:49:52.770 should, of course, include the user interface but user interface tests are 00:49:52.770 --> 00:49:58.180 pretty brittle and often tests you know where things are on the screen and it just 00:49:58.180 --> 00:50:02.559 seems to us that it makes a lot of sense to have more- to have tests that actually 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.259 test the application logic for what the system actually should be doing, rather 00:50:07.259 --> 00:50:15.910 than what it should look like and, yeah, we are currently working on making- so 00:50:15.910 --> 00:50:20.210 yeah, basically this has been a proof of concept and we're currently working to 00:50:20.210 --> 00:50:27.079 actually integrate it in- in CI. That perhaps should land once everyone is back 00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:34.560 from the vacations and then we have to write about a thousand or so tests, I 00:50:34.560 --> 00:50:37.930 guess. Lucas: I think there's also a plan to move 00:50:37.930 --> 00:50:42.559 to a system where we actually deploy basically after every commit and can 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.910 immediately roll back if something goes wrong but that's more midterm stuff and 00:50:45.910 --> 00:50:48.339 I'm not sure what the current status of that proposal is 00:50:48.339 --> 00:50:50.450 Amir: And it will be in Kubernetes, so it will be completely different 00:50:50.450 --> 00:50:55.529 Daniel: That would be amazing Lucas: But right now, we are on this 00:50:55.529 --> 00:50:59.730 weekly basis, if something goes wrong, we roll back to the last week's version of 00:50:59.730 --> 00:51:06.049 the code Herald: Are there are any questions- 00:51:06.049 --> 00:51:18.549 questions left? Sorry. Yeah. Okay, um, I don't think so. So, yeah, thank you for 00:51:18.549 --> 00:51:25.329 this wonderful talk. Thank you for all your questions. Um, yeah, I hope you liked 00:51:25.329 --> 00:51:29.750 it. 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