WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.000 My name is Dan Cohen, and I am academic, as he said. 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:07.000 And what that means is that I argue. 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:09.000 It's an important part of my life, and I like to argue. 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.000 And I'm not just an academic, I'm a philosopher, 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:16.000 so I like to think that I'm actually pretty good at arguing. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.000 But I also like to think a lot about arguing. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:23.000 And thinking about arguing, I've come across some puzzles, 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:25.000 and one of the puzzles is that 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.000 as I've been thinking about arguing over the years, 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.000 and it's been decades now, I've gotten better at arguing, 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:34.000 but the more that I argue and the better that I get at arguing, 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.000 the more that I lose. And that's a puzzle. 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:41.000 And the other puzzle is that I'm actually okay with that. 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:43.000 Why is it that I'm okay with losing 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.000 and why is it that I think that good arguers 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.000 are actually better at losing? NOTE Paragraph 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.000 Well, there's some other puzzles. 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.000 One is, why do we argue? Who benefits from arguments? 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.000 And when I think about arguments now, I'm talking about, 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:57.000 let's call them academic arguments or cognitive arguments 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.000 where something cognitive is at stake. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.000 Is this proposition true? Is this theory a good theory? 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:06.000 Is this a viable interpretation of the data or the text? 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.000 And so on. I'm not interested really in arguments about 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:12.000 whose turn it is to to do the dishes or who has to take out the garbage. 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.000 Yeah, we have those arguments too. 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.000 I tend to win those arguments, because I know the tricks. 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.000 But those aren't the important arguments. 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.000 I'm interested in academic arguments today, 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.000 and here are the things that puzzle me. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.000 First, what do good arguers win when they win an argument? 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.000 What do I win if I convince you that 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.000 utilitarianism isn't really the right framework for thinking about ethical theories. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:35.000 So what do we win when we win an argument? 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:38.000 Even before that, what does it matter to me 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.000 whether we have this idea that Kant's theory works 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.000 or Mill's the right ethicist to follow? 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:47.000 It's no skin off my back whether you think 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:50.000 functionalism is a viable theory of mind. 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.000 So why do we even try to argue? 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.000 Why do we convince other people 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.000 to believe things that they don't want to believe? 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.000 And is that even a nice thing to do? Is that a nice way 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.000 to treat another human being, try and make them 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.000 think something they don't want to think? NOTE Paragraph 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.000 Well, my answer is going to make reference to 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.000 three models for arguments. 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.000 The first model, let's call this the dialectical model, 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.000 is that we think of articles as war, and you know what that's like. 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.000 There's a lot of screaming and shouting 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.000 and winning and losing, 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:19.000 and that's not really a very helpful model for arguing 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.000 but it's a pretty common and entrenched model for arguing. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.000 But there's a second model for arguing: arguments as proofs. 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.000 Think of a mathematician's argument. 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.000 Here's my argument. Does it work? Is it any good? 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:33.000 Are the premises warranted? Are the inferences valid? 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.000 Does the conclusion follow from the premises? 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.000 No opposition, no adversariality, 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:44.000 not necessarily any arguing in the adversarial sense. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.000 But there's a third model to keep in mind 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.000 that I think is going to be very helpful, 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.000 and that is arguments as performances, 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.000 arguments in front of an audience. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.000 We can think of a politician trying to present a position, 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.000 trying to a convince the audience of something. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.000 But there's another twist on this model that I really think is important, 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.000 namely that when we argue before and audience, 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.000 sometimes the audience has a more participatory role in the argument, 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.000 that is, arguments are also audiences in front of juries 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.000 who make a judgment and decide the case. 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.000 Let's call this the rhetorical model, 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.000 where you have to tailor your argument to the audience at hand. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:26.000 You know, presenting a sound, well-argued, 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:29.000 tight argument in English before a Francophone audience 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.000 just isn't going to work. 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.000 So we have this models -- argument-as-war, 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.000 argument-as-proof, and argument-as-performance. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:42.000 Of those three, the argument as war is the dominant one. 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.000 It dominates how we talk about arguments, 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.000 it dominates how we think about arguments, 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:50.000 and because of that, it shapes how we argue, 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.000 our actual conduct in arguments. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.000 Now, when we talk about arguments, 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.000 yeah, we talk in a very militaristic language. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.000 We want strong arguments, arguments that have a lot of punch, 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.000 arguments that are right on target. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:03.000 We want to have our defenses up and our strategies all in order. 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.000 We want killer arguments. 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.000 That's the kind of argument we want. 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.000 It is the dominant way of thinking about arguments. 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.000 When I'm talking about arguments, that's probably 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.000 what you thought of, the adversarial model. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.000 But the war metaphor, the war paradigm 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.000 or model for thinking about arguments, 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.000 has, I think, deforming effects on how we argue. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:28.000 First it elevates tactics over substance. 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.000 Right. You can take classes in logic, argumentation. 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.000 You learn all about the subterfuges that people use 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:35.000 to try and win arguments, the false steps. 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:38.000 It magnifies the us-versus-them aspect of it. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:42.000 It makes it adversarial. It's polarizing. 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.000 And the only foreseeable outcomes 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:51.000 is triumph, glorious triumph, or abject, ignominious defeat. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.000 I think those are deforming effects, and worst of all, 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.000 it seems to prevent things like negotiation 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.000 or deliberation or compromise 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.000 or collaboration. 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.000 Think about that one. Have you ever entered an argument 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.000 thinking, "Let's see if we can hash something out 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.000 rather than fight it out. What can we work out together?" 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.000 And I think the argument-as-war metaphor 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:16.000 inhibits those other kinds of resolutions to argumentation. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.000 And finally, this is really the worst thing, 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:21.000 arguments don't seem to get us anywhere. 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:24.000 They're dead ends. They are, what, roundabouts 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.000 or traffic jams or gridlock in conversation. 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.000 We don't get anywhere. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.000 Oh, and one more thing, and as an educator, 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.000 this is the one that really bothers me: 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.000 if argument is war, then there's an implicit equation 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:41.000 of learning with losing. 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.000 And let me explain what I mean. 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.000 Suppose you and I have an argument. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:50.000 You believe a proposition, P, and I don't. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.000 And I say, "Well why do you believe P?" 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.000 And you give me your reasons. 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.000 And I object and say, "Well, what about...?" 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.000 And you answer my objection. 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.000 And I have a question: "Well, what do you mean? 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.000 How does it apply over here?" And you answer my question. 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.000 Now, suppose at the end of the day, 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.000 I've objected, I've questioned, 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.000 I've raised all sorts of counter-considerations, 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.000 and in every case you've responded to my satisfaction. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.000 And so at the end of the day, I say, 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.000 "You know what? I guess you're right. P." 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.000 So I have a new belief. And it's not just any belief, 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:28.000 but it's a well-articulated, examined, 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.000 it's a battle-tested belief. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:35.000 Great cognitive game. Okay. Who won that argument? 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.000 Well, the war metaphor seems to force us into saying 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.000 you won even though I'm the only one who made any cognitive gain. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:45.000 What did you gain cognitively from convincing me? 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.000 Sure, you got some pleasure out of it, maybe your ego stroked, 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.000 maybe you get some professional status in the field. 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.000 This guy's a good arguer. 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:57.000 But cognitively, now, who was the winner? 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.000 The war metaphor forces us into thinking 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:02.000 that you're the winner and I lost, 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.000 even though I gained. 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:07.000 And there's something wrong with that picture. 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:09.000 And that's the picture I really want to change if I can. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.000 So how can we find ways to make arguments 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.000 yield something positive? 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:21.000 What we need is new exit strategies for arguments. 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.000 But we're not going to have new exit strategies for arguments 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.000 until we have new entry approaches to arguments. 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.000 We need to think of new kinds of arguments. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.000 In order to do that, well, 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.000 I don't know how to do that. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.000 That's the bad news. 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.000 The argument-as-war metaphor is just, it's a monster. 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.000 It's just taken up habitation in our mind, 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.000 and there's no magic bullet that's going to kill it, 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.000 there's no magic wand that's going to make it disappear. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.000 I don't have an answer. 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.000 But I have some suggestions, 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.000 and here's my suggestion. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.000 If we want to think of new kinds of arguments, 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.000 what we need to do is think of new kinds of arguers. 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.000 So try this. 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:06.000 Think of all the roles that people play in arguments. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:10.000 There's the proponent and the opponent, 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.000 in an adversarial, dialectical argument. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.000 There's the audience in rhetorical arguments. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.000 There's the reasoner in argument-as-proofs. 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.000 All these different roles. Now, can you imagine an argument 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:25.000 in which you are the arguer but you're also in the audience 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.000 watching yourself argue? 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.000 Can you imagine yourself watching yourself argue, 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:34.000 losing the argument, and yet still, at the end of the argument, 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:39.000 say, "Wow, that was a good argument." 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.000 Can you do that? I think you can. 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:44.000 And I think, if you can imagine that kind of argument 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:45.000 where the loser says to the winner 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.000 and the audience and the jury can say, 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.000 "Yeah, that was a good argument," 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:51.000 then you have imagined a good argument. 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.000 And more than that, I think you've imagined 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.000 a good arguer, an arguer that's worthy 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.000 of the kind of arguer you should try to be. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.000 Now, I lose a lot of arguments. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.000 It takes practice to become a good arguer 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:06.000 in the sense of being able to benefit from losing, 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.000 but, you know, fortunately, I've had many, many colleagues 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.000 who have been willing to step up and provide that practice for me. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.000 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.000 (Applause)