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Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.19,0:00:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's the first question.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.29,0:00:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I have a question about giving.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.14,0:00:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will use myself as an example,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.95,0:00:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the question can \Nbe taken more generally.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.16,0:00:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is a good attitude to have
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.94,0:00:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to giving?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.28,0:00:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it comes to church, charity,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.95,0:00:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supporting ministry efforts,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.12,0:00:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or missions, etc.,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.16,0:00:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you also have debt?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.26,0:00:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are about $400 behind on the rent.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.73,0:00:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it will take months of small,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.73,0:00:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,affordable payments here and there
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.14,0:00:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to pay it off while staying afloat.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.92,0:00:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I recently became a Christian..."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.36,0:00:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see these different factors here.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.65,0:00:48.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see the kind of debt -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.20,0:00:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's something that we might want
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.93,0:00:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to give consideration to.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.62,0:00:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The kind of debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.75,0:00:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a brand new Christian.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.02,0:00:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A brand new Christian is probably
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.69,0:00:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to look different
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.90,0:00:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than someone who is
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.81,0:01:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more of a seasoned Christian,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.26,0:01:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or walked with the Lord longer anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.27,0:01:05.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you recognize as I recognize,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.30,0:01:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I first got saved,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.80,0:01:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a mess of debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.76,0:01:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The financial situation of \Nlots of lost people
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.13,0:01:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just a wreck.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.56,0:01:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you get saved,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.06,0:01:18.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and oh, now you have to start
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.23,0:01:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting pieces in place.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.51,0:01:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, "...I recently became a Christian
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.28,0:01:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and acknowledged truths
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.87,0:01:29.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like not storing up treasure on earth,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.95,0:01:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not being anxious for tomorrow,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.10,0:01:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not idolizing your money
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.42,0:01:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or trusting in riches,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.58,0:01:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trusting in God as a provider, etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.78,0:01:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I do not think giving is optional.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.28,0:01:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, as a Christian, it is something
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.07,0:01:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to practice.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.26,0:01:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to be able to give.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.63,0:01:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think there's a text
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.88,0:01:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which says God provides or increases
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.22,0:01:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order that we may be able to give more.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.15,0:01:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So with these in mind,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.20,0:01:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is a good attitude to have
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.74,0:01:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,considering your debts when giving.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.57,0:02:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should you give a small amount?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.71,0:02:03.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or does that show a lack of faith in God
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.59,0:02:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to provide from His own hand?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.50,0:02:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does that show more of a self-trust?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.20,0:02:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or should you give \Nas you would like to give,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.68,0:02:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if you did have the means,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.80,0:02:19.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trusting in Him for your \Nfinancial situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.03,0:02:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or is that a lack of wisdom
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.56,0:02:22.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lack of stewardship
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.100,0:02:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for your wife and kids?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.16,0:02:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've heard you say that as a church
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.47,0:02:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have tried to intend to give more
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.17,0:02:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than your abilities as a matter of faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.92,0:02:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this is wise or biblical concerning
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.85,0:02:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your home and family as well?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.06,0:02:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you shed some light on the issue?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.50,0:02:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.72,0:02:55.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what principles do you think?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.75,0:02:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That guy came to you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.71,0:03:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and asked you about your thoughts on this.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.35,0:03:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are your thoughts?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.56,0:03:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, the Scriptures \Nspeak a ton about money.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.58,0:03:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, what do you say?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.47,0:03:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is real.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.74,0:03:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have had people come to me repeatedly
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.23,0:03:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who say, I'm in debt,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.13,0:03:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to give,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.38,0:03:34.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where do I draw the line?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.47,0:03:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do I balance that?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.18,0:03:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I do?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.95,0:03:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the best approach?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.80,0:03:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should I, one, continue to give
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.17,0:03:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generously?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.77,0:03:49.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And trust the Lord?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.100,0:03:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, should I basically put my giving,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.58,0:03:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either totally on hold
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.32,0:03:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or reduce it significantly
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.13,0:04:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and attack this debt over here?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.31,0:04:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the most God honoring way?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.96,0:04:05.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's really the issue here.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.65,0:04:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the most God honoring way?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.65,0:04:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.31,0:04:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any thoughts?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.30,0:04:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(from the room)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.52,0:04:24.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would it be to pay off the debt first,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.62,0:04:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then to be freed from that debt,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.14,0:04:28.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you wouldn't be
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.41,0:04:30.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a slave to the lender?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.77,0:04:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: OK, now there's a verse coming up
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.16,0:04:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.43,0:04:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A slave to the lender.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.09,0:04:40.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The borrower is servant or a slave
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.09,0:04:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the lender.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.07,0:04:43.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.62,0:04:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that's a reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.55,0:04:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, one of the things
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.06,0:04:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could come up in \Na conversation like this
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.71,0:04:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is whether debt is even permissible
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.17,0:04:55.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the Christian.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.49,0:04:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, if you get saved and \Nyou already have debt,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.68,0:05:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you don't have the ability
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.22,0:05:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to pay it off immediately,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.05,0:05:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're obviously in a situation
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.29,0:05:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you have to deal with.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.77,0:05:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever your convictions are
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.64,0:05:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerning whether a Christian ought
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.50,0:05:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get further in debt,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.20,0:05:12.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whether it's permissible \Nfor a Christian
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.99,0:05:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to take out wise debt?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.50,0:05:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or a business loan?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.51,0:05:20.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or what exactly is forbidden in Scripture?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.63,0:05:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is permitted in Scripture?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.71,0:05:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people would go to Romans
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.42,0:05:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and basically say,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.63,0:05:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, owe no man anything,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.41,0:05:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except love.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.69,0:05:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, if I'm not to owe any man anything
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.74,0:05:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I'm not supposed to borrow money.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.36,0:05:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which Mueller basically took that approach
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.61,0:05:50.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and interpreted that passage that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.65,0:05:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I believe Hudson Taylor,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.34,0:05:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of following Mueller's lead,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.36,0:05:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was minded that way as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.66,0:06:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I honestly - although those two men
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.11,0:06:07.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been really significant \Nin my own life
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.05,0:06:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as far as debt
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.46,0:06:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as far as trusting God,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.33,0:06:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't believe that they're exactly
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.04,0:06:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dealing with that text in Romans 13
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.20,0:06:22.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly right.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.49,0:06:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, I think that you could
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.51,0:06:29.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make a case for the fact -
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.41,0:06:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say from a stewardship standpoint,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.52,0:06:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I'm faced with a situation
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.18,0:06:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I can take out a mortgage
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.26,0:06:41.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a house,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.15,0:06:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be actually paying for the house,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.36,0:06:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it would cost me \Njust the same to rent,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.95,0:06:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but fifteen years down the road,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.21,0:06:56.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the house is paid for,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.61,0:06:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I'm on a fifteen year mortgage.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.90,0:07:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if I'm renting, I \Nhave to go on renting.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.86,0:07:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To me, the stewardship there,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.51,0:07:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the wisdom is over here.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.37,0:07:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the thing is,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.70,0:07:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not an unwise type of unsecured debt
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.67,0:07:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a student loan.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.46,0:07:19.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Student loans are horrible debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.85,0:07:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Horrible debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.46,0:07:24.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you've got no asset.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.65,0:07:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so what happens if you
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.51,0:07:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drop out of school
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.81,0:07:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you don't end up getting
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.22,0:07:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a high paying job?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.97,0:07:33.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're wracked with all this debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.09,0:07:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got nothing to show for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.01,0:07:37.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's unsecured.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.19,0:07:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's just a mess.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.06,0:07:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would never, never advise
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.22,0:07:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people to take out that.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.75,0:07:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as far as a mortgage,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.17,0:07:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do have an asset.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.28,0:07:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have the home.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.92,0:07:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the bank has to foreclose,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.16,0:07:51.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're able to repossess your home.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.79,0:07:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They at least have that asset
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.88,0:07:55.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you borrowed the money on.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.53,0:07:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so even if you can't pay them back,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.53,0:07:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they get the house back.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.89,0:08:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know my take -
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.98,0:08:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think loans on cars are
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.44,0:08:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,absolutely bad, bad stewardship.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.66,0:08:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, anyway, that's my take.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.06,0:08:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(from the room)
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.82,0:08:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what about all the people here
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.40,0:08:20.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have student loans?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.06,0:08:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: Well, here's the thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.50,0:08:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had student loans.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.36,0:08:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't need them for school.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.54,0:08:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I took them out to buy \Ncars and motorcycles.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.24,0:08:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But see, the thing was, I was lost.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.60,0:08:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think what we're doing is
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.59,0:08:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're dealing with a man here
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.23,0:08:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much like many of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.88,0:08:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We wake up one day,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.53,0:08:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our eyes are opened,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.92,0:08:43.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God has saved us,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.61,0:08:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now we look at our situation
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.13,0:08:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we recognize... Oh.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.45,0:08:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scripture definitely has something to say
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.64,0:08:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.05,0:08:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The borrower is servant to the lender.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.66,0:08:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn't necessarily mean
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.18,0:08:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's absolutely forbidden,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.78,0:09:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's a reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.24,0:09:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is a reality
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.74,0:09:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that as long as you're in debt,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.04,0:09:05.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't have the freedom.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.65,0:09:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why? Because you're a slave.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.45,0:09:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have the freedom
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.26,0:09:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you would otherwise have.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.14,0:09:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, there's nothing like \Nbeing out of debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.26,0:09:14.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything is paid for.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.78,0:09:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because there's a freedom in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.75,0:09:23.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, OK, let's say it's desirable.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.09,0:09:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But does that undo the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.46,0:09:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have consistent commandments
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.15,0:09:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Scripture to give?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.50,0:09:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody throw some verses out?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.78,0:09:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or be able to quote some passages
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.72,0:09:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have to do with giving?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.01,0:09:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of my favorites as a young believer
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.32,0:10:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the one found in Luke 6.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.28,0:10:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Give, and it shall be given to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.10,0:10:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pressed down,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.42,0:10:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shaken together,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.52,0:10:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and overflowing.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.88,0:10:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now if you think about
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.31,0:10:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting something -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.92,0:10:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, you put gravel
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.26,0:10:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or wheat or corn or whatever -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.86,0:10:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's the idea that you put it in a basket
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.60,0:10:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you shake it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.20,0:10:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you shake it, it settles.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.26,0:10:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's not just shaken
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.82,0:10:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that there's no air
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.34,0:10:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the least amount of air in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.24,0:10:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's actually pressed down.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.60,0:10:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the idea you shake it together,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.46,0:10:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you press it down,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.95,0:10:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you just keep filling it
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.72,0:10:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until it's overflowing.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.09,0:10:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a promise.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.99,0:10:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here's the thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.33,0:10:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I've got a promise in Scripture
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.00,0:10:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if I give, it's going \Nto be given to me
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.81,0:10:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in abundance -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.12,0:10:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Shall men give into your lap."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.62,0:10:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's that mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.84,0:11:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, it means that God is
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.13,0:11:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to give you favor with people.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.61,0:11:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, even though I am not one
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.89,0:11:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to advocate Old Testament tithing,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.49,0:11:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't think the New Testament
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.46,0:11:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does that.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.80,0:11:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I am one to advocate the principle
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.66,0:11:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behind the tithing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.62,0:11:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember what God said to Israel?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.67,0:11:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "test Me."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.94,0:11:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's the thing, if I'm in debt -
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.57,0:11:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was here.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.04,0:11:31.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was here.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.89,0:11:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I first got saved,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.15,0:11:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had that tension between,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.54,0:11:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, I'm in debt,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.16,0:11:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want to give.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.08,0:11:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I got out of debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.81,0:11:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then I got back into debt
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.34,0:11:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this house.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.36,0:11:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted it paid off.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.82,0:11:47.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We paid it off in six years.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.03,0:11:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let me tell you,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.36,0:11:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during that six years,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.82,0:11:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ruby and I did not reduce our giving.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.72,0:11:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the thing was,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.14,0:12:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember a time when we literally
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.94,0:12:05.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could go around our house
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.33,0:12:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say that sofa - \Nso-and-so gave it to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.11,0:12:11.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That end table - so-and-so gave it to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.47,0:12:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That thing over there -
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.72,0:12:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody gave us that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.83,0:12:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That lamp over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.88,0:12:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These lamps right here.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.37,0:12:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These plants right here.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.62,0:12:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a time we could
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.83,0:12:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically go around \Nall of our stuff -
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.68,0:12:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those bookshelves over there,\Nthat dining room table,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.16,0:12:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those chairs there...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.10,0:12:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people gave all those things to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.42,0:12:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or God brought them to us some way.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.90,0:12:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had this GE refrigerator -
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.98,0:12:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sid was just talking about the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.63,0:12:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Ruby and I were the first ones
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.06,0:12:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to buy a mobile home from them.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.65,0:12:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before we lived in this house,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.14,0:12:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we bought a mobile home
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.27,0:12:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Alamo Homes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.42,0:12:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.81,0:12:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got a free refrigerator thrown in -
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.26,0:12:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GE refrigerator -
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.46,0:12:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That thing lasted.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.60,0:12:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We brought it here.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.22,0:13:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It lasted a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.32,0:13:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just kept going and going
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.29,0:13:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and going and going and going.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.72,0:13:10.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The thing I'm pointing at is this,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.21,0:13:13.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I don't think it's either/or.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.52,0:13:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with all the promises that are
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.80,0:13:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attached to giving,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.33,0:13:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't let the charismatics
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.70,0:13:21.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the health/wealth prosperity people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.65,0:13:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dull these promises
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.57,0:13:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your own mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.27,0:13:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God is faithful.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.61,0:13:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.68,0:13:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's the one that scatters
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.44,0:13:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he all the more increases.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.93,0:13:35.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's the one that holds back
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.66,0:13:37.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what he shouldn't hold back,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.34,0:13:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it only tends to poverty.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.54,0:13:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love that proverb too.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.91,0:13:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I lived on those things.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.80,0:13:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived on the promises of Isaiah 58.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.83,0:13:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're helping people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.14,0:13:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're giving to people.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.82,0:13:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think the thing that you want to do
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.26,0:13:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're in the place like this guy,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.50,0:13:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is you want to do both.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.71,0:14:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not an either/or.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.04,0:14:02.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to test God -
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.95,0:14:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't want to be foolish.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.35,0:14:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to do what you do prayerfully.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.90,0:14:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't want to just run \Nout and do something
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.24,0:14:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Mueller did it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.63,0:14:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know what you want to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.25,0:14:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to study \Nthe promises of God
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.08,0:14:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you want to act in faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.62,0:14:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prayerfully act in faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.82,0:14:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm not going to say that there's one
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.93,0:14:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specific way to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.56,0:14:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember, and I've \Ntold this story before,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.46,0:14:31.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's always stuck with me.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.89,0:14:33.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My pastor out at Community Baptist Church,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.91,0:14:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pat Horner,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.54,0:14:39.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drove over to Houston to a conference.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.43,0:14:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He got into Houston,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.48,0:14:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his car was on E (empty),
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.26,0:14:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to this conference.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.11,0:14:50.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's got $20 in his pocket.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.23,0:14:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's his gas money to get home.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.84,0:14:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And went he sat in this meeting,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.79,0:14:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the end of the meeting,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.45,0:15:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have a missionary go up
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.10,0:15:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the pastor says this brother so-and-so
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.83,0:15:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is trying to get to \Nwhatever country it was,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.76,0:15:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they brought out one of those 5 gallon
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.95,0:15:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paint buckets and they set it down there
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.08,0:15:15.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said can we help send this guy?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.09,0:15:16.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pat just felt led.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.31,0:15:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He took the $20 out
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.16,0:15:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he threw it in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.40,0:15:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How was he going to get home?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.92,0:15:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, he did that by faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.14,0:15:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He did that by faith - it wasn't foolish.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.56,0:15:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He felt led of the Lord to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.70,0:15:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He recognized that he wasn't
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.94,0:15:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be able to get back.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.71,0:15:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said he threw the money in there,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.83,0:15:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the service is over,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.95,0:15:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he said he was going down the aisle
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.87,0:15:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the church building
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.25,0:15:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,headed out the back door.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.88,0:15:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said a man that he \Nhad never met in his life
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.30,0:15:50.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came up to him,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.23,0:15:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put his hand on his
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.74,0:15:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pressed $20 into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.58,0:16:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he told him,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.61,0:16:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no idea why I'm giving this to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.79,0:16:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Lord just impressed it upon me.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.92,0:16:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, when the Lord does
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.90,0:16:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kind of thing to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.02,0:16:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.16,0:16:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want that to happen more.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.16,0:16:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles Leiter tells me
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.96,0:16:32.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Keith McCloud.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.55,0:16:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This brother would get himself into places
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.40,0:16:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where he wouldn't have gas.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.64,0:16:44.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he would drive all the way home
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.45,0:16:48.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on E (empty).
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.37,0:16:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking hundreds of miles on E.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.72,0:16:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he just prayed the whole time.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.91,0:16:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what's that?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.53,0:17:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Hudson Taylor,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.80,0:17:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you probably know the story
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.02,0:17:11.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you've heard somebody say it before,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.33,0:17:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he had a thousand missionaries
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.36,0:17:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the China Inland Mission.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.09,0:17:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But more than that,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.06,0:17:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he didn't have money to pay them.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.91,0:17:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of them had wives,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.36,0:17:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had children.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.78,0:17:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't have any money.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.04,0:17:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the other missionaries
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.79,0:17:29.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw him in his office just whistling.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.83,0:17:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He loved that song that John Sytsma loves.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.36,0:17:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesus, I am resting, resting...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.40,0:17:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he was whistling that song,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.87,0:17:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of the missionaries
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.47,0:17:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was watching him and thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.24,0:17:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you for real?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.26,0:17:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got all these \Nmissionaries at your care
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.86,0:17:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no money's coming in.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.08,0:17:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said I've got a quarter in my pocket
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.33,0:17:56.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the promises of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.80,0:17:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, that's the thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.34,0:18:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you've got promises that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.44,0:18:04.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you scatter, you increase.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.89,0:18:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you hold back, it tends to poverty.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.27,0:18:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I can tell you which one is smart.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.58,0:18:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(incomplete thought)
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.82,0:18:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kind of like the farmer.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.29,0:18:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, if the farmer \N
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.17,0:18:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throws a lot out there,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.86,0:18:26.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prospect for a good harvest.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.55,0:18:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If he's really stingy in what he throws,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.66,0:18:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he just throws a couple seeds,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.41,0:18:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he just gets a couple stalks of wheat.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.36,0:18:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All because he needs to hoard it.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.38,0:18:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gotta keep it.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.25,0:18:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But see, that's the very \Nprinciple of Scripture
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.47,0:18:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we should scatter.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.72,0:18:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, there's different kinds of debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.08,0:18:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's one thing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.55,0:18:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I'm living in this house
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.59,0:18:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I had a 20 year mortgage
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.04,0:18:59.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wanted to pay it off fast.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.66,0:19:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's different than
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.86,0:19:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he's $400 behind right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.15,0:19:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's kind of a different situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.60,0:19:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's in a position where
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.81,0:19:19.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he owes somebody money
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.59,0:19:22.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's past due.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.55,0:19:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's one thing to have debt
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.10,0:19:25.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you owe people,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.23,0:19:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you're making your payments on time.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.22,0:19:29.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's another thing when you're behind.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.97,0:19:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would make that a real priority.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.92,0:19:33.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But see, I don't think that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.49,0:19:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the only things in the equation
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.37,0:19:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are whether you give to the Lord
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.09,0:19:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whether you pay your debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.43,0:19:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason I'm saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.99,0:19:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is because there's more money in our lives
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.30,0:19:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than just what we pay debt with
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.95,0:19:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we give with.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.89,0:19:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's got other bills.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.35,0:19:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's got mouths to feed.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.73,0:20:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He talked about having children.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.27,0:20:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's other things happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.20,0:20:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's gasoline that's being used.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.73,0:20:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what I would say to somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.60,0:20:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is all the other money,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.06,0:20:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there needs to be some real discipline.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.36,0:20:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There needs to be some real sacrifice.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.62,0:20:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, you can get this tension
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.74,0:20:25.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you're feeling like,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.100,0:20:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, well I've got debt over here,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.60,0:20:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I also want to be able to give.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.37,0:20:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think you need to give consideration
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.44,0:20:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to all the other money
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.66,0:20:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's being used in your life.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.17,0:20:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, if you're in that kind of situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.41,0:20:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would not be going out to eat.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.00,0:20:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would not be going to a movie.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.51,0:20:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would not be taking a vacation.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.96,0:20:49.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would not be using gas
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.33,0:20:52.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for things that are unnecessary.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.30,0:20:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You basically have to make sacrifices.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.86,0:20:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Incomplete thought)
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.27,0:21:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brethren, we had a family
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.03,0:21:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the church years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.63,0:21:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who came to our deacons
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.45,0:21:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he couldn't make
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.10,0:21:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his mortgage payment.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.08,0:21:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a week before that,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.60,0:21:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he took his wife to Dallas
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.34,0:21:28.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their anniversary.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.100,0:21:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, and I don't know \Nwhat the situation is here,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.74,0:21:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'll tell you this,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.28,0:21:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're $400 behind,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.16,0:21:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would give in very reserved fashion.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.71,0:21:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would not give liberally
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.82,0:21:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't think it's right
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.48,0:21:51.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you to go taking a bunch of money
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.45,0:21:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and putting it in the church box
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.01,0:21:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you've got somebody out there
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.62,0:21:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you owe money to.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.12,0:22:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I was in his place,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.01,0:22:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would give
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.49,0:22:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would eat rice and beans.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.05,0:22:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you've got to turn the A/C off
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.44,0:22:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or put it at 82.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.69,0:22:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're not buying clothes.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.41,0:22:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're not buying new shoes
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.68,0:22:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the children when school starts.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.40,0:22:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.17,0:22:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're not doing that.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.79,0:22:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got to make sacrifices.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.82,0:22:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the other thing is income.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.23,0:22:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, a man can work
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.74,0:22:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than one job.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.21,0:22:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My brother-in-law, I remember,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.36,0:22:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we were starting a family,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.30,0:22:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my brother-in-law Rick had a family.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.35,0:22:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had three jobs.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.87,0:22:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember it was rare that \Nwe would see him home,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.96,0:22:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he'd get up in the morning,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.72,0:22:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he'd go to one job,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.93,0:22:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he'd get off,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.78,0:22:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he'd go to another job,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.25,0:22:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he'd be coming in like at midnight
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.40,0:22:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the 3rd job.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.16,0:22:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, if you've got to work three jobs...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.95,0:23:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Work is the way out of debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.50,0:23:03.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Work is the way out \Nof difficulties like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.89,0:23:05.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Work and sacrifice.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.61,0:23:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't live like the Joneses.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.92,0:23:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any other thoughts?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.73,0:23:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(from the room)
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.26,0:23:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think it would be wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.36,0:23:25.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as far as how you would define giving -
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.85,0:23:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could always think of giving
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.78,0:23:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a monetary value.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.36,0:23:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would it be right for this guy,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.52,0:23:34.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I might not be able to give
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.10,0:23:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so much monetarily,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.16,0:23:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Lord, I want to be able to give
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.01,0:23:39.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in different ways, just to serve?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.14,0:23:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: Yeah, it might be that.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.90,0:23:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It might be, you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.08,0:23:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't really give money right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.72,0:23:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I can go paint the church building.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.30,0:23:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can go mow the lawn.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.42,0:23:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, it could be that kind of thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.53,0:23:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's lots of ways to give to people.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.43,0:23:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, in some societies
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.44,0:24:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the giving might be -
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.14,0:24:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you hear about preachers \Nthat get a chicken.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.73,0:24:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are other things of value
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.23,0:24:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we may have.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.24,0:24:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't come down to just
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.80,0:24:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether I'm able to put \Nsome bills in the box.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.37,0:24:20.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brethren, I think one thing that
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.63,0:24:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just needs to grip us.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.77,0:24:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, if you look back
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.21,0:24:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the kings of Judah.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.58,0:24:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of them went by the name of Amaziah.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.42,0:24:49.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amaziah - he was the one
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.55,0:24:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who took like a hundred talents of gold,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.20,0:25:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I believe he was going to battle
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.18,0:25:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against Ben Hadad of Assyria.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.81,0:25:11.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he paid a hundred talents of gold
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.15,0:25:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to another king to \Nbasically send mercenaries
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.06,0:25:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to join his own forces.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.56,0:25:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the prophet came to him and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.75,0:25:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are you doing?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.79,0:25:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have the Lord on our side.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.70,0:25:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't need that.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.88,0:25:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the king had already given the money.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.39,0:25:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I do about
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.69,0:25:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hundred talents of gold?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.70,0:25:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I do about that?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.30,0:25:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the prophet said,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.03,0:25:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's that?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.78,0:25:57.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Lord's able to give you much more
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.100,0:26:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if He wants to.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.22,0:26:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a place in Haggai
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.75,0:26:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it says
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.51,0:26:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the silver is Mine and the gold is Mine,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.87,0:26:11.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saith the Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.73,0:26:13.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, that's the thing that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.27,0:26:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we really have to recognize.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.77,0:26:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could tell you stories
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.87,0:26:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about my own family
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.83,0:26:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our finances
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.59,0:26:28.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the church and its finances.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.95,0:26:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the stories that I've read
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.76,0:26:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about men that really impacted me
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.90,0:26:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this area.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.19,0:26:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just the accounts, the testimony
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.58,0:26:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of God's faithfulness.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.24,0:26:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all the Lord's.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.32,0:26:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have as much as you have
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.98,0:26:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the Lord has determined
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.36,0:26:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you to have exactly that much.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.14,0:26:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He could make you more wealthy
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.88,0:26:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than Bill Gates,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.12,0:26:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that was His intention.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.21,0:26:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He can do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.11,0:27:02.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has not forgotten His people.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.31,0:27:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're in a situation
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.68,0:27:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you give
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.64,0:27:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're seeking to test Him -
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.64,0:27:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not presumptuously,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.06,0:27:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but faithfully - you're testing Him,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.17,0:27:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because He says, "test Me,"
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.06,0:27:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because He's given these promises.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.41,0:27:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you say, Lord,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.48,0:27:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to trust these promises.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.42,0:27:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You say that if I give,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.31,0:27:27.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,men will give to me
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.61,0:27:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into my lap.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.57,0:27:30.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will give pressed \Ndown, shaken together,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.77,0:27:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and overflowing.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.70,0:27:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to test You, Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.53,0:27:37.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I want to see Your faithfulness.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.70,0:27:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to see You do this.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.58,0:27:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a joy in giving.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.81,0:27:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's more blessed to give than to receive.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.97,0:27:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And God will cause that to be the reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.66,0:27:50.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, if you've given
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.51,0:27:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you're in a place of need.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.74,0:27:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What better way to come before the Lord
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.24,0:28:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say Lord, I've given, and...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.92,0:28:06.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Repeatedly, I can come and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.83,0:28:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord, I need money for whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.56,0:28:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grace needs a vehicle.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.81,0:28:24.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or Joshua is going to go to college.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.15,0:28:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord, if I'd taken the \Nmoney that I've given
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.64,0:28:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I basically - it would have
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.38,0:28:32.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put Joshua through school
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.18,0:28:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'd have a vehicle,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.16,0:28:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I didn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.24,0:28:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I gave it, but now I'm in need.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.20,0:28:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the perfect place to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.92,0:28:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because the Lord says
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.84,0:28:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if you're pouring yourself out
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.47,0:28:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the hungry - spiritually hungry -
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.69,0:28:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're giving.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.54,0:28:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People put money in that box.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.01,0:28:59.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're supporting missionaries.\NWe're supporting the spread of the Gospel.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.43,0:29:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're supporting I'll Be Honest.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.95,0:29:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're supporting Bibles that go out.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.71,0:29:04.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're supporting all manner of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.39,0:29:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different kinds of evangelistic outreaches
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.44,0:29:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tracts,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.03,0:29:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and supporting men who preach the Gospel.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.91,0:29:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the greater hunger.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.33,0:29:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the promises there in Isaiah 58
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.49,0:29:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is when the merciful man cries out
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.16,0:29:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in need, God says, I'm going \Nto say to that man,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.58,0:29:30.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Here I am."
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.64,0:29:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, that's what happens.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.14,0:29:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord, I have tried to be mindful
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.66,0:29:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when other people have been in need.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.62,0:29:38.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now I'm in need.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.33,0:29:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, there's a promise in Scripture
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.13,0:29:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says God's going to say, "Here I am."
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.82,0:29:45.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like when you can say,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.25,0:29:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord, I've got these needs now
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.54,0:29:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and You said - Lord, \NI've got it right here.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.22,0:29:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You said that You would take care of me
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.22,0:29:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I get into exactly \Nthis kind of situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.52,0:30:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what I have found out is He will.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.96,0:30:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every single time.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.46,0:30:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've been able to say that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.34,0:30:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about our church.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.76,0:30:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every single time.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.17,0:30:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every single need that our church
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.36,0:30:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has ever had.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.73,0:30:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there's been a financial need,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.84,0:30:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Lord has provided for it,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.41,0:30:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every single time.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.07,0:30:18.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no exceptions.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.03,0:30:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's been faithful every single time.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.62,0:30:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any other thoughts on that one?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.34,0:30:31.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(from the room)
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.97,0:30:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just another quick testimony.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.70,0:30:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Robert Chapman -
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.26,0:30:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were ready to leave
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.88,0:30:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a conference at the train station,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.82,0:30:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they had no money.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.90,0:30:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chapman had been given some money
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.78,0:30:46.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the conference,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.19,0:30:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then almost immediately
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.52,0:30:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given it to someone who he felt
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.20,0:30:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needed it more.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.69,0:30:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the way to the railway station,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.39,0:30:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fisher reminded Chapman
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.92,0:30:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they had no money.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.59,0:30:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Chapman replied,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.47,0:30:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"To whom does the money belong
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.49,0:31:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the cattle upon a thousand hills?"
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.10,0:31:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they reached the station,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.80,0:31:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a man on an arriving train
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.18,0:31:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recognized Chapman.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.60,0:31:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He hurried over,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.48,0:31:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,handed him a five pound note
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.88,0:31:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said, "I've had this in my pocket
Dialogue: 0,0:31:12.00,0:31:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for some time and I'm glad I met you."
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.56,0:31:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He then got back on \Nhis train which departed.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.24,0:31:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After a moment, Chapman \Nasked his companion,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.26,0:31:23.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"To whom does the money belong?"
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.06,0:31:24.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: And Hudson Taylor had
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.65,0:31:26.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very similar situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.57,0:31:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was traveling the U.S.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.08,0:31:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was at a train station in St. Louis.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.75,0:31:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, just like he was there whistling
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.12,0:31:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he's got a thousand missionaries
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.87,0:31:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nothing to pay those guys.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.21,0:31:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here he is standing in the line
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.34,0:31:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get a ticket for the train,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:44.84,0:31:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he's got no money.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.06,0:31:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the guy ahead of \Nhim is getting agitated.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:51.23,0:31:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's feeling this conviction.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.40,0:31:58.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to buy Hudson Taylor's
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.02,0:32:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,train ticket.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.65,0:32:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so they get all the way up there,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.88,0:32:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the guy can't bear it any longer.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.74,0:32:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he turns around,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.40,0:32:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and either he gave him the money
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.03,0:32:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or he said I'm going to buy your ticket.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.75,0:32:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then Taylor tells him
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.58,0:32:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't have any money.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:14.93,0:32:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the guy was actually \Nfrustrated with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.07,0:32:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What? You just stood there in this line?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.82,0:32:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you didn't say anything?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.05,0:32:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That just proved the point.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.87,0:32:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have to say anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.66,0:32:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because God knows.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.67,0:32:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christina - have we not heard
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.55,0:32:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the report that came there from China?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.17,0:32:41.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She didn't have the money for rent
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.90,0:32:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lost - listen -
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.45,0:32:49.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Chinese - I'm not saying \NAmericans are much better,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.74,0:32:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but different countries kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.92,0:32:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have their different sins.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.98,0:32:55.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if there's something \Nthat the Chinese are,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.100,0:32:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are cold; they are heartless.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.51,0:33:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are not a merciful people.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.01,0:33:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here is this lost neighbor
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.90,0:33:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who comes and gives Christina
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.64,0:33:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a large sum of money,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.23,0:33:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the exact amount that was needed
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.10,0:33:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to pay the rent that she couldn't pay.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.85,0:33:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the kind of thing that happens.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.92,0:33:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember reading the story
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.56,0:33:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about a widow,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.26,0:33:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she didn't have any food,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.20,0:33:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she lived in an apartment complex,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.68,0:33:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some really wicked man
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.16,0:33:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came and left - he felt prompted -
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.86,0:33:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he left a bag of groceries there.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.56,0:33:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He could hear the woman,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.19,0:33:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either through the wall
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.39,0:33:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or through the window
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.40,0:33:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,praising the Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.70,0:33:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he couldn't bear that
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.24,0:33:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he had to tell her
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.56,0:33:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that God didn't bring you those groceries.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.02,0:33:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I brought you those groceries.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.10,0:33:54.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she said, "Oh no,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.41,0:33:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Lord brought those to me
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.91,0:34:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if he has to use the devil to do it."
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.76,0:34:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(incomplete thought)
Dialogue: 0,0:34:07.46,0:34:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you don't need to know
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.32,0:34:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the means by which it will come.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.10,0:34:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can exhaust your own thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.30,0:34:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your own resources,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.92,0:34:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can rule out -
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.05,0:34:20.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, it's not going to happen this way;
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.99,0:34:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not going to happen that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.76,0:34:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've told this story before,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.73,0:34:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I got to a certain place
Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.42,0:34:30.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we had gotten into some degree
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.61,0:34:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of debt over a vehicle that we bought.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.38,0:34:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I did in the past
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.20,0:34:38.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I would not recommend anybody do now
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.98,0:34:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with regards to a vehicle.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.70,0:34:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a reason I did it,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.18,0:34:45.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I had like $3,500 on a GM card
Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.18,0:34:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was probably the
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.75,0:34:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worst automobile mistake \NI made in my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.03,0:34:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I got into some debt over that van,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.83,0:34:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then Ruby had started
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.21,0:34:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her cheesecake business.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:58.61,0:35:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just asked the Lord,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.06,0:35:01.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord, would You please allow us
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.55,0:35:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be out of debt by the end of the year?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.55,0:35:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And suddenly, anonymous checks
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.61,0:35:09.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for $1500, $2000 started showing up
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.53,0:35:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the mail.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.31,0:35:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we were going to my mom's at Christmas
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.27,0:35:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I got almost all the debt paid off,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.06,0:35:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except for about $1500.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.45,0:35:23.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're going to be heading out of town,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.62,0:35:26.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I won't be able to \Ncheck the mail anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.100,0:35:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.08,0:35:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ruby, I just want to \Ncheck the church mail.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.68,0:35:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the checks up to that time
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.14,0:35:33.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had come to my home.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.35,0:35:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought, let's just \Ncheck the church mail
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.47,0:35:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're going to be out of town
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.33,0:35:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for two weeks - to make sure
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.81,0:35:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's not a backlog in the P.O. box.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.14,0:35:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there was a letter for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:44.87,0:35:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it perfectly paid off
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.77,0:35:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and got me out of debt.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.92,0:35:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I started thinking,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.32,0:35:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know if those checks keep coming,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.18,0:35:53.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now that I'm out of debt,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.07,0:35:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they never kept coming.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.36,0:35:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was all over.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:56.65,0:35:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody else knew.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.62,0:36:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody human knew
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.02,0:36:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I had asked the Lord -
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.54,0:36:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and every time one of those would come in,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.81,0:36:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember putting them out
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.14,0:36:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the dining room table
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.52,0:36:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and calling all the children around.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.29,0:36:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children, look.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.44,0:36:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daddy prayed and look what the Lord did.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.70,0:36:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.45,0:36:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any other thoughts?