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Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.69,0:00:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] I've been\Nhaving more conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.84,0:00:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with God in the morning and you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.44,0:00:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's usually you know smoke like a joint
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.82,0:00:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then talk in a mirror.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.53,0:00:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of my most impactful works
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.88,0:00:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are through those conversations.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.22,0:00:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since lockdown I've changed\Nmaterial tone a lot,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.89,0:00:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I've been really aware of
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.73,0:00:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how Black people are viewing like
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.82,0:00:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Black bodies in public spaces,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.00,0:00:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially if they like allude\Nto any type of violence.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.55,0:01:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you know, my sculptures
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.64,0:01:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usually end up looking pretty violent or
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.37,0:01:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,grotesque or however you\Nwant to describe them.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.26,0:01:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I didn't want to trigger anybody
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.13,0:01:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more so than before COVID and
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.76,0:01:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ways that Black death was\Nbroadcasted on TV last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.77,0:01:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm kind of changing tone materially.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.14,0:01:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm working more with white flesh and
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.14,0:01:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disease and toxicity.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.58,0:01:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] Yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.56,0:01:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Doreen laughs)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.59,0:01:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(suspenseful fast paced music)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.71,0:01:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.74,0:01:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm doing some castings\Nfor a piece I'm working on
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.85,0:01:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's, it's a series,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.43,0:01:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm starting two of the flags
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.18,0:02:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're made out of flesh.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.13,0:02:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's supposed to be white\Ndiseased skin on the front
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.65,0:02:11.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,composing colonizing country flags,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.68,0:02:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then Black bodies on the backside
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.08,0:02:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are kind of bloody and piled up.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.63,0:02:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The two flags I'm working on right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.86,0:02:26.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's the British flag. And\Nthen the flag of Portugal.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.33,0:02:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] Those are\Njust two of a few countries
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.30,0:02:36.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were leading in the\Ntransatlantic slave trade.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.19,0:02:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These two pieces are going\Nto a solo show in Austria,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.03,0:02:46.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't want to put a\Nbunch of bloody Black bodies
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.20,0:02:49.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just by themselves as\Nentertainment. So I want them
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.59,0:02:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to think about ways that their whiteness,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.58,0:03:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adds to racism experienced\Nthroughout the globe,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.57,0:03:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless of whether they think
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.72,0:03:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they're involved or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.05,0:03:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of Europeans are like, no,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.36,0:03:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't do that over\Nhere. It's like, well,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.64,0:03:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,y'all started this shit.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.86,0:03:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This piece is a smallpox piece.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.07,0:03:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then this one is more syphilis.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.41,0:03:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Working now with white flesh,\Nit's been really difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.31,0:03:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making the adjustment color-wise.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.16,0:03:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There has been a complete\Nshift in my palette
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.17,0:03:36.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and figuring out what looks human.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.55,0:03:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been getting so frustrated
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.22,0:03:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with trying to get white\Npeople's skin tone right.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.74,0:03:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was explaining\Nthis to my friend Nene,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.80,0:03:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she was like, oh, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.04,0:03:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I totally feel you because for so long,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.63,0:03:50.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've gotten our skin tone wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.79,0:03:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it just sent chills because
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.93,0:03:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think about all the\Nways that Black people
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.38,0:04:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been misrepresented aesthetically
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.64,0:04:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're totally wrong and offensive.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.31,0:04:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's really crazy for me
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.02,0:04:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to actively try to get\Ntheir skin tone right,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.61,0:04:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when there hasn't been the\Nsame amount of consideration
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.60,0:04:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in ways that they represent us.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.98,0:04:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The piece that I did for Basel
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.12,0:04:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did kind of focus more on whiteness.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.27,0:04:37.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And focusing on whiteness for that piece,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.28,0:04:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people read as a more\Nabstract and you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.18,0:04:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the piece hasn't sold yet,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.01,0:04:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to say that it won't sell,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.47,0:04:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just thinking about ways\Nthat pieces that I've made
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.77,0:04:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have had Black\Nbodies have sold faster,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.04,0:05:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, something to think about.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.43,0:05:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] I\Nmean, that's the thing is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.34,0:05:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not really trying to\Nshit on the art world.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.64,0:05:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just makes me feel viscerally\Nuncomfortable sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.84,0:05:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that can come in social\Nanxiety at exhibition,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.30,0:05:28.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or staying up all night,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.29,0:05:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to prepare files for an application
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.31,0:05:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I might get denied for.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.42,0:05:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what does that do to me? You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.22,0:05:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's like constantly setting\Nup yourself for denial.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.86,0:05:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seems kind of unhealthy,\Nright? Mentally unhealthy.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.37,0:05:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's why\NI really enjoy tattooing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.48,0:05:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't have to think\Nabout that stuff anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.55,0:05:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just interacting with that one person
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.87,0:06:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a few hours.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.15,0:06:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not rooted in acceptance or denial.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.56,0:06:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] You ready Debbie?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.88,0:06:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Debbie Snax] Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.71,0:06:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] We're gonna put it on.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.76,0:06:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We met on the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.89,0:06:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Debbie is a tattooer from Atlanta
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.29,0:06:25.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now we're like little tattoo besties.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.74,0:06:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Debbie Snax] Being a\Ntraditional tattooer is mostly a,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.65,0:06:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a traditional white\Nthing to do. You know?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.33,0:06:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So most of the time, if I\Nfind people who are kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.32,0:06:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on my same level then they're white.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.09,0:06:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So being around Doreen\Nhas made me want to,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.94,0:06:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not transform myself\Ninto more Black, but just
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.38,0:06:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's made me more comfortable\Nwith drawing Black things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.31,0:07:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen] The community that\NI have in the tattoo world,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.04,0:07:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know they're just more my people.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.37,0:07:09.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very weird. You know weird, tattooed.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.05,0:07:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.10,0:07:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen] I love it, I love it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.16,0:07:16.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Off Camera] Oh my god,\NI hate this, I hate this.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.61,0:07:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh my gosh
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.67,0:07:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.40,0:07:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Debbie Snax] When you\Nfirst became into yourself,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.84,0:07:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did you think you would be a tattooer?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.36,0:07:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] No, I mean, I always,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.81,0:07:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was always such a shy nerd.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.50,0:07:33.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I never thought, I\Nmean I had always hoped
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.62,0:07:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would be covered in tattoos
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.79,0:07:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lot of gold jewelry.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.83,0:07:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, now that it's happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.22,0:07:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.92,0:07:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Debbie Snax] Right,\Nit's a cute little vibe.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.12,0:07:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] It's a cute little vibe.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.33,0:07:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Debbie Snax] Yeah (laughs)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.57,0:07:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Doreen Garner] Then with tattooing,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.40,0:07:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it allows people to collect my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.77,0:07:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, they wouldn't\Nnecessarily be able
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.33,0:07:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to buy a 50 inch flag made of flesh
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.34,0:07:59.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put on their wall, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.96,0:08:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of the people that I tattoo
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.14,0:08:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have no idea that I'm a sculptor
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.97,0:08:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to what degree my art practice goes.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.87,0:08:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are Black, melanated and tattooed,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.72,0:08:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going to be taking some photographs
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.74,0:08:22.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Black people that have tattoos,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.49,0:08:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there's not a lot of documentation
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.38,0:08:25.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Black people with tattoos.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.05,0:08:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Interviewee] I'm sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.88,0:08:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody here has been tatted by Doreen.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.20,0:08:31.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Off camera] They have.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.09,0:08:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Interviewee] Including yourself?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.93,0:08:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Off Camera] No, I'm\Nthe last one standing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.31,0:08:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Interviewee] This is not good.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.45,0:08:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [Doreen Garner] You\Nknow, with my tattoos,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.92,0:08:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just trying to create the images
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.66,0:08:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Black people wanna\Nget on their body, forever.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.64,0:08:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things that they resonate with,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.68,0:08:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things that make them feel beautiful.