35C3 Intro music

Herald:
Welcome to the next talk

"You Can Hack Everything - 
Just Don't Get Caught".

Quick survey:
How many of you

have found a security loophole

and thought:
"Oh shit, if I tell someone

then I am in deep
that could cause problems?"

Put your hands up
Who does that apply to?

Interjection from the audience: Camera off
Laughter

Herald: Another question: How many of you 
would like to find a security

loophole, hands up 
Laughter

Alright, I hereby declare you all 
concerned parties and this talk

relevant for you, because many hackers
are at some point in their career

confronted with this problem or 
are in the situation where they

have found something or got into
something or ran into it

and know that if the people affected
in this archictecture that they are inside

get wind of it, then there will be trouble
it will really stir up discontent.

And this talk is about
which worst case scenarios could be

in store for you, how to deal with it and 
best of all, how to not let yourself

get caught. And our speakers, 
Linus Neumann und Thorsten Schröder, are

experts in IT security. You probably
know them from the PC-Wahl hack.

They found security vulnerabilities 
in the Bundestag voting software,

it's a very recommendable episode.

Alright, I'm talking rubbish, 
nevertheless I recommend the

logbuch-netzpolitik.org episode.

It's really worth a listen,
especially number 228

"Interessierte Bürger". Now give
a round of applause for Linus

Neumann und Thorsten Schröder, have fun
Applause

Linus Neumann: Thank you all
for being here. Thank you very much for

the warm welcome. I also liked how
a few of you have already done your

first OpSec fail and outed yourself
at the beginning. We have never

hacked anything, we have nothing
to do with it. Our short talk is about

the topic everyone is talking about,
hacking. We're seeing over the years that

many fine, young hackers are ending up
in prison and there are a lot of risks

that come with hacking as a sport
and spoil its enjoyment

for example something like house searches
broken down doors, high legal fees,

this doesn't have to be. It's worth maybe
thinking about how you can continue

as free agents. 
Because we know that hackers are

free agents, like artists, that get up
in the morning and when they

are in the mood, they sit down 
and paint their pictures. And we want

you to be able to paint a lot more 
beautiful pictures. The key: OpSec

And that's what we want to 
talk to you about today.

Opsec is actually
easy to summarise,

here by the way...
beautiful, beautiful...

beautiful teaching material again

from Russia, it seems to be on their minds
for some reason. Let's start with a

perfectly normal, the first computer worm:
Pride comes before a fall,

that is one of the most important 
teachings in your operational security

Because showng off and cockiness
will get you into trouble. And we have

known this since computer worms have
existed. The first big computer worm

that became so international
and incapacitated half of the internet

was the Morris worm, 
that exploited weak points in

Sendmail, Finger, Remote SH and a few
weak passwords, in order to

spread itself, so a computer worm.
This lead to the internet outage

of 1988. And you're probably asking
yourselves: Why is the worm called

the Morris worm? Well, because the 
creator was very proud of his worm

and liked telling everybody how it worked.
At one point he was even

at Harvard University, standing on the
table, preaching about how his worm

worked in full detail.
It was also obvious that

the original infection started there,
he told everybody about it.

At one point someone told a journalist
and he had to admit it. He got the

worm to be named after him to this day.
But also he got

3 years probation, 400 hours social work
and a 10,000 dollar fine, without

his need for admiration, he could have
possibly been spared. But

not only hackers have a small problem
with operational security and

a need for admiration, but also
bank robbers. And here we have a

young man, who has robbed a bank.
And what do you do when you have

experienced something exciting, and raked
in a lot of money: a selfie of course.

Yeah. If that's not enough, you can also 
take another selfie.

Laughter

Or the accomplice. And also food. And then
you quickly go to Instajail. And

you might think, that was a one off,
no, you think: OK, nobody can actually

be that stupid, but when you
look on the internet, you really don't

need long to find experts
posting pictures like this. And

it always ends the same way: Here is 
the young man with, he must have

really awful teeth, they're already
all gold, they were convicted,

because they bragged about 
having money on Facebook.

Now, if we look at the pioneers
of car hacking, we have in principle

the same phenomenon. It must be added
that the first ventures in car hacking

were more of an analogue nature
and more brute force. And the pioneers in

this area were also these two 
young men, who managed a really big hack,

that is breaking in the windscreen.
stole 5,000 dollars and an ipad

from a truck.
And what is the first thing you do, when

you have an iPad: Well, first go to 
Burger King, because they have WiFi.

And play around a bit with the iPad.
And then they noticed: Hey, awesome

you can make videos with this.

[Video is played]

... This is my brother Dylan... This...
good night's hussle

L: And because they had connected 
to the WiFi in Burger King with this

stolen iPad, that happened, 
what had to happen...

Laughter

L: And the owner of the vehicle then

handed the video over to the police 
and the police said, they're

actually already wanted.
And they took care of the young men.

Thorsten Schröder:
But let's get back

to the computer hacking corner, that
we actually wanted to talk about today,

now we have taken a short trip to 
the analogue world. What could

go wrong if you, as
an interested surfer, played around

on online shopping portals.
Next you maybe want to

aquire some wares, then you start
clicking around in the online shop.

Suddenly you slip and click 
the wrong thing, that happens sometimes,

you accidentally somehow
enter a wrong signal,

and what's important here is: We are
talking about a threat level for

the hacker,
so when you are on the online shopping

portal and there
your mouse accidentally slips, then

you have a certain threat scenario.
It of course increases if you have

actually entered some strange symbols

You're there

probably without an anonymisation service
because you wanted to

buy something. And now you think: Hmm,
I like playing and am

curious, I'll activate Tor or
something, and will visit this website

later with an anonymisation service.
And yes, over time

you might accidentally find 
cross site scripting, the

threat level grows gradually, but
you've got Tor at the start. The

threat level continues to grow,
when perhaps you have found a

somewhat more critical weakness like
an SQL injection. And it continues to grow

when you have perhaps also found a
remote code execution, then

we're already pretty high. So if you 
got caught now, it would be pretty

bad, because you've already proved
that you didn't directly go to the portal

after having found an xss exploit
or another trivial weak point

and told them about it.
Well, what happens then, when you

continue rummaging around. Depends
what you're looking for. Maybe you also

find a few credit cards. Now we're on
a really high threat level,

and it quickly sinks because
...it becomes more relaxed.

You don't need to be scared anymore
about ever getting caught again

for this hack. Yes, 
why would anyone get caught there?

Because I thought of OpSec much too
late. At the moment where I

slipped with the mouse, I should have
basically already had an anonymisation

service, some kind of Tor service
or something, right at the start,

because at the moment where the 
portal provider realises, that something

happened, they'll just look and see:
Alright, we'll follow this back,

it's a Tor session, bad, 
but at some point they come across

this case where you said "oops". And then
they will find you.

L: It actually happens quite a lot that
people are like:

Oh, look, I found something
and now I'll go to Tor

No, guys, it's too late,
you have to do it beforehand.

T: Sorry, if you notice something
like that, you can of course

think about what the data protection
regulation looks like, then you can

look at what kind of data protection
guidelines they have, some companies

tell you how long they keep your 
logfiles