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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.33,0:00:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Could you describe a time in your life
Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.29,0:00:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which the Lord disciplined you?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.32,0:00:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you look back on that time
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.83,0:00:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with utter thankfulness for the fruit
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.14,0:00:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it yielded in your life?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.02,0:00:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mack: Well, the one thing \Nthat comes to my mind
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.25,0:00:14.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what I kind of alluded to earlier.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.95,0:00:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In about 1990,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.25,0:00:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the church we were in had a split -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.92,0:00:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a big division -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.94,0:00:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was so discouraged in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.17,0:00:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was one of the pastors.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.46,0:00:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was so discouraged \Nin that experience
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.60,0:00:35.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I withdrew.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.35,0:00:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did not take a stand \Nof confronting people
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.12,0:00:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a right way, in a loving way,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.02,0:00:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but still confronting.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.60,0:00:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't know what to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.79,0:00:48.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was afraid.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.99,0:00:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had the fear of man,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.18,0:00:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I didn't respond right.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.04,0:00:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it caused me to \Nmove in discouragement.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.53,0:01:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I didn't realize at the time -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.08,0:01:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I honestly didn't -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.10,0:01:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think for ten years,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.49,0:01:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Lord kind of let that \Nwilderness experience -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.68,0:01:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't pastoring.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.18,0:01:18.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We weren't even settled really.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.48,0:01:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I worked.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.31,0:01:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had twins come along in 1992.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.25,0:01:27.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was a very difficult time,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.09,0:01:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I couldn't \Nget any clear direction.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.89,0:01:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does God want of me?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.14,0:01:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was a refining time
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.25,0:01:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of loving discipline.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.57,0:01:43.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't fully know \Nwhy it took ten years.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.19,0:01:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it wasn't even ten years,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.90,0:01:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that was a time I was \Ntruly disciplined by the Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.50,0:01:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Discipline is loving correction
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.22,0:01:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make us more fruitful.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.58,0:01:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not punishment, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.86,0:01:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I learned huge lessons
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.90,0:02:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in retrospect that I should have done this
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.03,0:02:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a pastor.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.69,0:02:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I would have done this,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.20,0:02:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would have protected \Nthose believers more.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.24,0:02:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I had been courageous to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.30,0:02:14.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Brother, I disagree,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.09,0:02:16.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what you're doing is wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.61,0:02:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's affecting others
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.50,0:02:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're being selfish in this."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.16,0:02:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saying things like that \Nwhen I should have,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.16,0:02:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I didn't have the courage to,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.32,0:02:29.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I learned so much through that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.87,0:02:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a discipline from the Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.25,0:02:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's borne fruit in my life
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.17,0:02:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to take a stand when I need to;
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.41,0:02:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see truth is on trial here,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.74,0:02:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people are going \Nto be affected by this
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.58,0:02:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I don't respond in love,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.13,0:02:54.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but still respond,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.19,0:02:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I've got to.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.10,0:03:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was a big hard discipline,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.09,0:03:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's the biggest one I can remember
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.81,0:03:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in my own life.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.18,0:03:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, for the present,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.47,0:03:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discipline is not joyful.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.42,0:03:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's grievous.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.84,0:03:12.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to go through it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.78,0:03:15.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, it's John 15 -
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.99,0:03:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He disciplines and prunes us
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.66,0:03:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we are bearing fruit.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.67,0:03:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we'll bear more fruit.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.10,0:03:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James: So after that season of ten years,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.34,0:03:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that when you ended up back in Denton
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.43,0:03:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the church started up again?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.10,0:03:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mack: Well, not the same church,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.81,0:03:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but yes, we moved back to Denton in 1998.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.56,0:03:40.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it wasn't a full ten years,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.93,0:03:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it seemed like an eternity almost.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.19,0:03:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we came back because
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.59,0:03:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what came to me clearly was
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.12,0:03:54.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was like God had shown me in my heart,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.32,0:03:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I left where I was
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.58,0:04:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of discouragement without direction
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.50,0:04:04.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go to something positive
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.89,0:04:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and clear and specific.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.30,0:04:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, it's always wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.98,0:04:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make decisions and choices
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.28,0:04:14.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of discouragement.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.76,0:04:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll almost always make a mistake.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.46,0:04:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like marrying on the rebound
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.43,0:04:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four months later,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.90,0:04:22.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you realize,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.90,0:04:24.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh man, what did I do?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.66,0:04:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know people who do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.16,0:04:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we came back to Denton in 1998.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.38,0:04:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Incomplete thought)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.68,0:04:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I truly had matured
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.94,0:04:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I honestly feel like.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.72,0:04:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I had been preaching since 1975,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.72,0:04:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now it was '98.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.99,0:05:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I honestly believe I was now
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.25,0:05:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prepared enough to truly preach
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.99,0:05:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and help somebody.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.24,0:05:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I don't know how to \Nsay it any more than that.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.80,0:05:10.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My spirit had matured.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.99,0:05:12.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God had developed patience in me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.93,0:05:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had given me a pastor's heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.85,0:05:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He let me learn how to view issues
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.44,0:05:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a right and wrong way.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.38,0:05:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How to give answers about assurance \Nof salvation when somebody comes.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.40,0:05:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How to help them analyze it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.56,0:05:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He gave me a pastor's heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.43,0:05:35.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if I hadn't been through \Nwhat I'd gone through
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.99,0:05:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in those years in the 1990's,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.12,0:05:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't have been near as equipped.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.94,0:05:49.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I praise God now for the fruit of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.04,0:05:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't want to go through it again.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.30,0:05:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like open heart surgery.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.41,0:05:58.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Praise God for that surgery!
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.43,0:06:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord, may it never be again.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.83,0:06:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you can have it,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.56,0:06:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've got to have it to save your life.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.88,0:06:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're thankful for it
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.46,0:06:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're thankful for the surgeon.