WEBVTT 00:00:02.185 --> 00:00:04.769 You see? Okay. 00:00:04.769 --> 00:00:07.399 - A lot of times you say that you feel that 00:00:07.399 --> 00:00:11.353 economic collapse is the only way change is going to occur, 00:00:11.353 --> 00:00:15.046 but what I try to tell people is that, 00:00:15.046 --> 00:00:18.000 I was convinced, and Neal was convinced, 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:21.431 and a lot of other people are convinced just by the logic of the argument itself, 00:00:21.431 --> 00:00:26.004 if we can tell a large number of people and convince a large number of people, 00:00:26.004 --> 00:00:27.995 we could avoid this whole collapse, 00:00:27.995 --> 00:00:31.277 and then make an intelligent, directional decision to go in that direction. 00:00:31.277 --> 00:00:34.169 Boy, do you own any broadcasting companies? 00:00:34.169 --> 00:00:35.430 - No, not yet. 00:00:35.430 --> 00:00:39.231 Oh. I think it’s very hard to do for the average guy, 00:00:39.231 --> 00:00:43.492 unless you are very wealthy, unless you can buy a broadcasting company 00:00:43.492 --> 00:00:46.215 and get more time on the internet. 00:00:46.215 --> 00:00:51.415 If you speak in terms that people will want to listen to, 00:00:51.415 --> 00:00:55.031 like, you have to [use] the same sales pitch they use for other things. 00:00:55.031 --> 00:00:59.291 You have to say “How would you like to live in a world without war?” and all that sort of thing. 00:00:59.291 --> 00:01:04.354 “Well, that’s impossible, no. ” Give them answers to ‘the how’ you can do it. 00:01:04.354 --> 00:01:10.292 And if there are enough people that understand what you're doing, we’ll have social change. 00:01:10.292 --> 00:01:14.431 If there are not enough, or there’s been too much damage... 00:01:14.431 --> 00:01:21.200 like a jew could never sell, raise money, at a Nazi meeting for the B’nai B’rith; 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.446 that’s a Jewish organization. 00:01:23.446 --> 00:01:27.000 He can’t raise any money because they can’t hear him. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:31.708 You can’t raise money to support radicals and communists at a Klan meeting. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:37.569 You may raise a dime, but I doubt whether you’d raise any money there. 00:01:37.569 --> 00:01:42.031 It isn't that... people are already indoctrinated, 00:01:42.031 --> 00:01:45.877 and the brain associative system is there; it’s fixed. 00:01:45.877 --> 00:01:50.338 And very few people would say “How would The Venus Project deal with this?” 00:01:50.338 --> 00:01:55.108 or “How would it deal with… .” They get mad because it’s not a free enterprise system. 00:01:55.108 --> 00:02:01.600 So they... In a free enterprise system, you say “If you nationalize everything you kill incentive.” 00:02:01.600 --> 00:02:07.046 And then... And psychologists that do studies on cooperative systems 00:02:07.046 --> 00:02:14.077 and sharing systems seem to find that the price/money system is the best. 00:02:14.077 --> 00:02:18.262 And in [the] communist world they say sharing ideas is the best. 00:02:18.262 --> 00:02:21.000 And it depends on the psychiatrist, where he was brought up. 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:26.554 And [if] a psychiatrist finds out that people should be free to pursue any direction they want to, 00:02:26.554 --> 00:02:30.000 he’s not very popular. Is that clear? 00:02:31.092 --> 00:02:34.800 People like to believe that they make free choices, 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.708 that they have the ability to think and reason. 00:02:37.708 --> 00:02:42.031 You get up and tell them “You’re just a robot in a given culture”, 00:02:42.031 --> 00:02:45.000 that is not something they’re willing to accept. - Right. 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.031 Then you get up and say “After you kick the bucket, you rot away: 00:02:49.031 --> 00:02:51.769 ashes to ashes, dust to dust.” 00:02:51.769 --> 00:02:57.031 They want to fly away to ‘happy land’, where everything is okay. 00:02:57.046 --> 00:03:01.831 Don’t forget: you take away their religion, you take away their identity. 00:03:01.831 --> 00:03:06.000 So, as you take away religion, you have to give them something else: 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.353 that we could attain immortality, if we wanted it, 00:03:10.353 --> 00:03:13.692 to do research on what is aging. 00:03:13.692 --> 00:03:16.491 I think I talked to you about plaque accumulating in the blood vessels 00:03:16.491 --> 00:03:19.000 and the nutrients can't get out, 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.953 so you wrinkle; not because you’re getting old, 00:03:21.953 --> 00:03:28.092 because the body is unable... the cells multiply for a certain period of time, then they stop. 00:03:28.092 --> 00:03:31.630 We have to find out what the stop mechanism is. 00:03:31.630 --> 00:03:34.662 That... Is immortality possible? Yes. 00:03:34.662 --> 00:03:39.075 But I don't think people would be happy living a thousand years. 00:03:39.075 --> 00:03:42.000 They’d be bored shitless, you know, 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.661 because you’d hear the same thing from other people: 00:03:45.661 --> 00:03:51.414 “My wife just gave birth to a nice little girl”, and then [you’d hear that] for thousands of years, you know? 00:03:51.414 --> 00:03:54.553 So I think that people will change in the future. 00:03:54.553 --> 00:03:59.400 They will redesign the human body, put an eye in the back of the head 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:03.508 by new genetic engineering, not the stuff you have today. 00:04:03.508 --> 00:04:06.353 But they’ll make us more sensitive, 00:04:06.353 --> 00:04:12.015 and our brain will be made of tissue that can absorb certain things, fast; 00:04:12.015 --> 00:04:15.000 you won’t have to read a book 4 or 5 times. 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.475 But if we don’t engineer ourselves we can’t keep up with technology. 00:04:19.475 --> 00:04:24.000 If technology can handle, like I said, a thousand trillion bits per second. 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.938 Man will say “What do we have to do to keep up with it?” 00:04:27.938 --> 00:04:31.277 And you’ll have to redesign the human system. 00:04:31.277 --> 00:04:37.138 If they can only handle 7 channels at once that can’t keep up with technology. 00:04:37.138 --> 00:04:40.800 In the future technology will be assigned decision making, 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:45.000 then management, then environmental care, you know, 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.492 it’ll manage agriculture and everything else. 00:04:47.492 --> 00:04:49.569 It’ll tell you what’s best for you. 00:04:49.569 --> 00:04:52.907 You sit in front of a computer, [and] you say “What should I study?” 00:04:52.907 --> 00:04:57.000 And then it’ll ask you certain questions, and evaluate your answers, 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.000 and tell you what to study, what’s more appropriate for you. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.723 People, in the beginning, will say “I'm not going to listen to a machine.” 00:05:03.723 --> 00:05:09.046 When you can’t tell the difference whether you’re talking to a computer or a machine, 00:05:09.046 --> 00:05:12.954 then it means you’ve attained that state. 00:05:12.954 --> 00:05:19.185 But, you will have a machine-person that looks like a normal person. 00:05:19.185 --> 00:05:22.460 Now, when he’d be a psychiatrist in the future, 00:05:22.460 --> 00:05:26.722 and when you’d tell him your problems his eyebrows would move to the right angle and everything, 00:05:26.722 --> 00:05:30.615 “Is that right? Your dad did that to you? How horrible!” 00:05:30.615 --> 00:05:35.584 all the facial expressions that you need to understand. 00:05:35.584 --> 00:05:38.246 “But, Fresco, that may not have that.” 00:05:38.246 --> 00:05:40.861 But you can design machines [so] when a person says 00:05:40.861 --> 00:05:47.106 “I come from the Arab world.”, it’ll talk to him in his terms, in his values, 00:05:47.106 --> 00:05:51.722 with the same [facial expressions], and it’ll look like an Arab. Do you understand what I'm saying? 00:05:51.722 --> 00:05:56.999 Because we are inclined not to listen to people that are not like us. 00:05:56.999 --> 00:06:02.276 So, there’s a lot of problems up ahead. We’re not sane, yet. 00:06:02.276 --> 00:06:06.000 None of us [are sane, yet] because we’re brought up in a given environment, 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:10.169 and we use the old language, I have to use it, to speak to people. 00:06:10.184 --> 00:06:12.000 I can’t say “I’ll see you at sunrise” 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:17.429 because I know the Earth rotates in the direction of the sun; the sun doesn’t rise. 00:06:17.429 --> 00:06:22.030 We haven’t changed and updated our language for hundreds of years. 00:06:22.046 --> 00:06:25.983 So how can you expect to talk to people, or communicate, 00:06:25.983 --> 00:06:28.784 if they haven’t updated their language? 00:06:28.784 --> 00:06:34.261 If a guy says “It’s all within people. People are basically good, all they have to do is choose to be good.” 00:06:34.261 --> 00:06:37.969 You know, “They’re basically good.” They‘re basically nothing. 00:06:37.969 --> 00:06:40.391 They can kill people or not kill people. 00:06:40.391 --> 00:06:44.568 It depends on the way you raise them. Does that make sense? - Yeah. 00:06:44.568 --> 00:06:48.692 I don’t... People are not basically good or bad; they’re nothing. 00:06:48.692 --> 00:06:53.553 They can be trained to kill Eskimos, or Jews, or Swedes, or anything. 00:06:53.553 --> 00:06:57.188 - I’m trying to get to, I’m just trying to get to,... 00:06:57.188 --> 00:07:00.823 I want to convince, and I want everybody out there, you know, to the camera to know 00:07:00.823 --> 00:07:04.460 I want to work on things right now, I don't want to wait for a collapse, I think we should... 00:07:04.460 --> 00:07:06.265 I don’t ask you to. Work on things! 00:07:06.265 --> 00:07:08.700 - But what are we going to do right now? And how... 00:07:08.070 --> 00:07:09.876 But, don’t use straight logic with people. 00:07:09.876 --> 00:07:16.923 Try to find out where they’re at, and come at them as best you can utilizing their values. 00:07:16.923 --> 00:07:22.030 And take it... Now you might meet some people that’ll take 4 years to change; 00:07:22.030 --> 00:07:24.861 some, 20 years. Skip ‘em! Move on. 00:07:24.861 --> 00:07:28.076 It doesn’t take everybody to make a wonderful world. 00:07:28.076 --> 00:07:31.799 I would say all the technology that we have today 00:07:31.799 --> 00:07:36.830 is probably based on the work of 50 people, not millions of people; 00:07:36.830 --> 00:07:39.276 you don’t have to convince everybody. 00:07:39.276 --> 00:07:43.830 You have to convince the upper middle class and the educated people, 00:07:43.830 --> 00:07:47.476 if you... they’re more apt to understand it. 00:07:47.476 --> 00:07:50.911 I don’t say they’re better; they’re more apt to understand it. 00:07:50.911 --> 00:07:52.946 - Yeah. I don’t have a broadcasting station, 00:07:52.946 --> 00:07:57.536 but if I can convince one broadcasting person to express (?) this message, 00:07:57.536 --> 00:08:03.030 do you think there is possibility, [there is] hope, that we can reach enough people, reach the right people? 00:08:03.030 --> 00:08:08.676 If you do that, and it doesn’t serve the interest of the broadcasting company 00:08:08.676 --> 00:08:13.076 they have the power to ridicule you from a hundred of different points. 00:08:13.076 --> 00:08:19.059 And you don’t meet your opposition on TV and have a one to one discussion. 00:08:19.059 --> 00:08:21.846 They’ll have 20 people that are against you. 00:08:21.846 --> 00:08:27.045 You know, it’s very difficult unless you control NBC. 00:08:27.045 --> 00:08:32.429 I thought years ago the Russians should’ve bought NBC. Everything is for sale, 00:08:32.429 --> 00:08:36.000 and they could’ve pitched if they wanted communism. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:39.153 Everything in America is for sale, by the way. 00:08:39.153 --> 00:08:42.861 We’re selling to the Spaniards many of our bridges, 00:08:42.861 --> 00:08:46.599 did you know that, to Spain? Toll bridges. 00:08:46.615 --> 00:08:51.660 So, the Spanish... Our government is selling bridges that the public paid for, 00:08:51.660 --> 00:08:53.569 because they need money. 00:08:53.569 --> 00:08:57.000 Well, pretty soon, they’ll sell the banks and other things, 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.200 and the country will belong to somebody else. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.030 It’s almost that way now with China. 00:09:02.030 --> 00:09:09.276 We own so much to China, and other countries that lend us money, that America is for sale. 00:09:09.276 --> 00:09:16.015 It’s a monetary system, they don’t give a hoot about anything but sustaining their system. 00:09:16.015 --> 00:09:22.153 The proof is that they gave the money to the people that created the problem, 00:09:22.153 --> 00:09:24.922 and the banks, and industry, and General Motors. 00:09:24.922 --> 00:09:28.353 So, they never asked the public what do you want. 00:09:28.353 --> 00:09:32.584 [The] Public doesn’t know, what I should want, you know. 00:09:32.584 --> 00:09:36.000 And this guy at this center, I don’t know if you ever heard if it, 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:42.629 the Center for the Preservation of Democratic institutions, in Santa Barbara...