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The Call of Jesus

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Welcome to this lesson 24:
How To Grow Up.

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Last time we talked about the different 
spiritual levels we see in the Bible.

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We talked about being babies,
newborn,

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how to grow up and become
children in the faith,

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and then become parents in the faith.

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We need to go out and find
a person of peace, as Jesus is talking about,

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something we've looked at 
in this series "The Call of Jesus".

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But when we find that person of peace

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we need to know 
how to share the gospel with them,

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so they can be truly born again.

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But, we also need to help them
to grow up.

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We need to help them to become
mature in Christ.

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Like in a family, what we see in a family
is that...

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In a family there should be babies.

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In the natural family.

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But they should not remain
as babies.

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They should grow up.

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And by time, they should, actually,
grow up so much

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that they leave the home
and go out and get their own family.

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And now we are not parents
but grandparents.

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As it is in the natural,
God wanted to be in the spiritual.

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When I take a look at the church
today, I just want to say:

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It is sad to see how far away 
we have come from

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what God wants us to be,

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how few that are really growing up
and seeing good fruit

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in their everyday life.

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There are so many people today
in churches who just,

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sad to say, continue being
spiritual babies the rest of their life.

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Why? Why is it like that?

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Could it be that we lack
discipleship?

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I believe that is one of it.

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But the truth is also that...

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many people in the church
are not born again yet.

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I want to read a quote here from my book 
"The Call of Jesus" in this chapter.

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"When a person is truly born again,
you will see it in their life.

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There will be fruit in their life
that will show they are a new creation.

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When there is fruit in a person's life,

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they need milk so they can grow up
and mature;

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however, if the fruit in not there,
that means they are not born again,

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and they need something much
stronger then milk."

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When a person is born again,

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we looked at last time,
that person needs milk.

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But if a person is not truly
born again,

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they need something 
much stronger then milk.

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What is that?
Blood.

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The blood of Jesus.
They need to be born again.

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Because when they are born again,

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the life is being transformed,

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not from outside in,
but from inside out.

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1 John 3:6-10 is saying this:

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"No one who lives in Him 
keeps on sinning.

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No one who continues to sin
has either seen Him or known Him.

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Dear children, do not let anyone
lead you astray.

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The one who does what is right
is righteous, just as He is righteous.

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The one who does what is sinful
is of the devil,

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because the devil has been sinning
from the beginning.

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The reason the Son of God appeared
was to destroy the works of the devil.

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No one who is born of God will
continue in sin,

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because God's seed remains in them;

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they cannot go on sinning,
because they have been born of God.

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This is how we know who's the children
of God and who's the children of the devil;

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anyone who does not do what is right
is not God's children,

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nor is anyone who does not love
their brothers or sisters."

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What we see here is...
the Bible is very, very clear

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that everyone who is truly born again
do not go on sinning.

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The seed of God is inside of them
and they cannot go on sinning.

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We also read that they love their brothers, 
those who are born again.

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If those things are missing 
in a person's life,

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if people are living in sin,

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if people don't have the love
to be with other believers...

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Why? Why is it missing?

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Could it be because they are not
truly born again?

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You know we can know a tree
by its fruit.

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And if this is not there,

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if the longing to live a holy life,
if the desire to love their brothers

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and being with other people
is missing in a person's life,

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you cannot disciple a person like that
into maturity. Why?

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Because they are not born again yet.

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And therefore, when we talk about
how to grow children up,

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what we need to always start with
is the gospel.

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We need to always go back to the gospel
and keep it simple.

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Preach the gospel, even to those
who come to churches,

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even to those who come
into your fellowships.

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Because if you have a person
and you see something is missing,

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what is missing is just revealing
a deeper problem.

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And what is that?

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That is the root.

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You know we can know a tree
by its fruit.

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If a tree, for example, produces 
oranges,

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and you want the tree to produce
apples instead,

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the solution is not to take down
all the oranges

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and tell the tree: 
You have to stop producing oranges!

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You need to start producing
apples! What is wrong with you, tree?

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No, the tree just produces 
what it is.

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Orange tree produces oranges.

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Apple tree produces apples.

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A tree produces what it is.

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The same is with a person.

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If you have a person
who is living in sin,

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if you have a person
who is not longing for the fellowship,

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then I want to encourage you...

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before you go deep, deep, deep in
and try to disciple them,

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and draw them out, and:
Come on, you need to stop sinning.

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Come on, you need to come 
to the fellowship.

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Come on, you need to...

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because you'll get exhausted in that,

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than rather take the time to sit down 
with them and share the gospel.

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Because when people truly 
get that life... Hallelujah!

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They don't need anyone 
around them to:

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Come on! You have to live holy!
Come on! You have to have the fellowship!

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And I remember that.

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I was 19 years old 
when I gave my life to God.

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I was the first one in my family
who gave his life to God.

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I had no, like families, and many friends.

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I had one friend who was a Christian.
I had no one else.

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Right away, without even really 
being in church ever,

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when I got born again,
the first thing happened...

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What was that?

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It was what we read.

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One of the first things that
happened was I could not go on sinning.

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I could not. Like, when I did things
I was used to do,

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that were sin, I just felt it inside of me.

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The seed of God was inside of me.

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I could not go on sinning.

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And I know for my sake,
I did not need a lifted finger and say:

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Hey, you are not allowed to do this.
You have to do this. You have to do this.

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No. I did not need it. Why?
Because the seed was inside of me.

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God was there.

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As we read before.

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Another thing was: I was longing 
for fellowship with my new families.

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I was longing for fellowship.

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A guy like me, who was born again,
when I was longing for fellowship,

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I needed more than just one day a week...

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to go in and just meet,
Sunday was not enough.

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I needed more.

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And I wanted to live holy, 
but in the beginning I fell

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and I did wrong things,
and I felt condemned,

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and there I also needed somebody
around me,

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more than one day a week.

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And in my life God gave me
somebody.

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He gave me my father-in-law

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who became my spiritual father,
who was there for me.

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And my father-in-law helped me
to grow up.

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He never sat down with me
and said:

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Torben, now we will have a teaching.
This week we are talking about this,

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next week we are talking about this,
third week we are talking about this...

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No, my teaching,
the teaching he gave me, milk he gave me,

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was on the couch, with him, 
sitting beside me.

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I was sitting there with my Bible,
and I was hungry.

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And I asked a lot of questions:
What about this? What about this?

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What about this? What about this?

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And when I was fighting 
he was always there.

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When I was doubting and
asking questions - he was there.

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This is what a newborn believer needs.

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They don't need to just come to a meeting.

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They need family.

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They need 24/7...

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somebody who is there,
who is ready to share life with them.

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And this is how we really see
children grow up and become strong.

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In 1 Corinthians 4:14-16
Paul is saying this:

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"I am writing this not to shame you
but to warn you as my dear children.

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Even if you had ten thousand
guardians in Christ,

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you do not have many fathers,

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for in Jesus Christ I became 
your father through the gospel.

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Therefore I urge you to imitate me."

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There was many guardians, or many leaders, 
let's say like that, in the church today.

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But there are not many fathers.

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Paul was really a father for
some of those people,

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and I encourage you out there, when it comes 
to how to grow people up in Christ,

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when a person is a newborn and
experience Christ,

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they need more than to just be invited
to a meeting.

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They long for fellowship.
They want to live holy.

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They need somebody who can just
be there for them,

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somebody who can share life
with them,

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somebody who can love them.

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They need more then just to be
invited to a church.

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They need to be invited 
to a cup of coffee, or for a dinner.

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And this is what I encourage you
to do.

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When you start to work with people...

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and you start to see people come to Christ,

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open up your home.

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Invite them for a dinner.

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Sit down with them in the sofa.
Talk about life.

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And there answer some of those questions 
people often don't get answered in the church.

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I know when I was a newborn believer
and sat in my father-in-law's to be house,

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he did not put up a teaching,
as I said,

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but he answered those questions
I had in that moment.

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Hey, I'm fighting with this.
What about this?

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What about this?
What about this?

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And he gave me so much more,
to have somebody

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to answer those questions 
I had in that moment,

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than going to hear a sermon 45 minutes,

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with something that was not 
working in my life.

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But I want to say, it is not always easy 
to find those right people,

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people who are mature,
who want to help people.

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It is not easy outside the church
or inside the church.

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I remember some years ago, I was 
in a city and I led some people to Christ.

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There was no church in that city,
but there was a small group

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of Christians gathering.
There were six Christians gathering.

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And I tried to take some of those
new believers into that group,

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but it was not easy, because in that
small group there was six people,

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and when I looked at them, there were
two who were amazing,

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who loved Jesus, amazing, on fire,
it just came out of them always.

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Another two were more neutral,
and like: who are they?

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They are good and not bad,
but they love Jesus, so it's fine.

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But then there were two that were
worse poison ever.

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Two very religious people who just
take out every life out of a new believer.

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It was very difficult for me, because how 
do I bring people to that small group,

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and I wanted them to connect
with those two,

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or maybe those two, 
but not with those two.

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And it's not easy.

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Since I had those experiences,
I stopped just...

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taking people to church,

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because I did never know who
they will meet in church.

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So, instead of just saying:
come to church

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and let them connect with everyone,

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because one of the first one
I really led to church,

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she connected with wrong people
in church,

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people who were living lukewarm,

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and they ended up going to city,
and that girl fell away again,

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because they were out drinking.

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We see so many things today.

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It's better, instead of just
leading people to church,

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to just lead them to one or two
people who are on fire.

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And I hope that is you,
that you are on fire.

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That you will take the time
to meet with people.

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Or, if you cannot, than find somebody
else who live the life, who's on fire,

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and try to introduce those new believers
to them.

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Somebody who can help,
somebody who can take care of them,

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somebody who can help them grow up.

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And I believe this is how it should be
for all of us.

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I know it's not always easy,
because who to connect with,

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but I've also seen it again and again
that God is in control.

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So, if you don't have anyone,


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then start to pray that God will send 
the right one to those people.

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And this is what He did with me.
When I look at my own life,

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I did not have anyone who could help me, 
who could take care of me,

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but then God gave me my father-in-law.

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It was not just accident.
It was God who ordained it.

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It was God who took care of it.

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I remember one night we were
in a meeting, a prophetic meeting.

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A prophet called him up and said:
you have one son.

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He said: No, I have three daughters.
You have a son.

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No, I have three daughters.
You have a son.

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No, I have three daughters.
You have a son.

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He's like a son for you and your
job is to be there for your son.

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And he knew who he was 
talking about.

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Me.

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So, God has called my father-in-law
to be there for me.

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My father-in-law is not a big minister.

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He's not somebody who's
speaking in churches and who's all over.

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This is not also what you need
and what other people out there need.

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We do not need a big minister who 
doesn't have time to take care of people.

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We need people who have time.

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We need people who can just give
what God has given them.

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And I share much more about that
in my book "The Call of Jesus",

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where I talk about how
we can be there for other people.

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And if we don't have anyone ourselves,
what we can do,

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and how we can pray and ask God
to lead us to somebody.

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So I want to say this:
when we start to work with discipleship,

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the best discipleship is to become
family and friends with people,

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to walk with people,
to share life with people.

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To be there especially for those 
new people who come to faith.

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The best teaching how do you get
people to grow up

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is just to sit down with them
in a sofa, over the coffee table,

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listen to their life,
listen to their story,

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listen to what they are fighting with
right now,

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what are they struggling with,

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what questions do they have,

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what did they read in the Bible
during the week, they don't understand,

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and then be for them and
answer their questions.

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And then pray for them.
And then help them.

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This is how we get people to grow up.

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Not to just invite them to a meeting
and give them 45 minutes of teaching.

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No. Invite them to your home.
Go to their home.

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Be there for them.

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And I encourage you,
if you start to do that,

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if everyone start to do that,
when we reach people,

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and we take the time, and again,
we don't need a big minister.

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You don't have to be a pastor
who's doing all of it.

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It's something you and me can do,
each of us.

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We can help people.
We can take care of them.

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So this is how it is.

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Be there. Love people.
Invest in them. Spend time with them.

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And this is how we get people to grow up.

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And then you will see fruit in their life.

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Next time I'm going to do a video here
called "Dear Pastors and Leaders",

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because next time I want to talk to all of you 
who are pastors and leaders out there.

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I'm not against the church.

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But I want to challenge you.

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I want to challenge you to really
take the call of Jesus

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and give it to the people in the church,

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and see a movement from God,
there where you are.

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So, I look forward to see you next time.

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Bye-bye!

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The Call of Jesus