1 00:00:00,660 --> 00:00:02,700 (温莎天台,布鲁克林) 2 00:00:19,620 --> 00:00:22,520 (近观纽约) 3 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,820 (丹尼·尔戈登,艺术家) 4 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,640 (手机震动声) 5 00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:37,220 你好 6 00:00:37,220 --> 00:00:39,520 “丹尼尔戈登的回顾” 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,820 是的,是我 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,200 几周前的一天 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,410 当我在这工作的时候 10 00:00:44,410 --> 00:00:46,730 我收到一个电话 11 00:00:46,730 --> 00:00:50,719 有人购买了一个我在2004年创作的画作 12 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:52,140 图画被破坏了 13 00:00:52,140 --> 00:00:55,460 他们想让我重新印一份 14 00:01:00,629 --> 00:01:02,390 然后我开始寻找底片 15 00:01:02,390 --> 00:01:04,510 重新回到12年前 16 00:01:04,510 --> 00:01:06,530 并且了解当时的我在做什么 17 00:01:06,530 --> 00:01:08,220 感觉十分棒 18 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:11,640 有点惊人的相似 19 00:01:11,650 --> 00:01:13,770 和我现在在做的创作 20 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:19,380 我特别喜欢这个植物——它很古怪 21 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:22,540 而且我觉得它提示了, 这幅图实际上 22 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:24,340 是个经过构置的画面 23 00:01:25,630 --> 00:01:27,310 之前我一直在试着 24 00:01:27,310 --> 00:01:29,490 确定我想表达什么 25 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:33,830 然后一直在学着 怎么样运用实体物件来创作 26 00:01:38,020 --> 00:01:40,560 我一直努力的去仿真 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,090 但现在我对这些 28 00:01:44,090 --> 00:01:46,310 渐渐地不再注重了 29 00:01:49,539 --> 00:01:50,539 并不是说 30 00:01:50,539 --> 00:01:54,000 我现在的作品不再包含现实的元素 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,280 而是,相比总将模仿现实的痕迹藏起来 32 00:01:59,770 --> 00:02:02,890 我认为更有意思的是 33 00:02:02,890 --> 00:02:04,950 加入褶皱的纸 34 00:02:05,500 --> 00:02:07,119 和那些手工制品 35 00:02:07,119 --> 00:02:09,450 这些都显示出Photoshop 36 00:02:09,450 --> 00:02:12,010 真实的存在于创作的过程里 37 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:14,970 把西瓜改成蓝色 38 00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:18,510 或者把桃子染成绿的 39 00:02:18,510 --> 00:02:19,970 把东西都像素化 40 00:02:20,260 --> 00:02:21,810 加些噪点 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,280 (钥匙叮叮当当的声音) 42 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,720 (丹尼到了另一间工作室) 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,220 (在他的妻子露比旁边) 44 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:36,099 (露比·斯凯·斯泰勒)我想着 我俩应该给对方多点空间的 45 00:02:36,099 --> 00:02:37,420 但也有可能我们真正需要的 46 00:02:37,420 --> 00:02:38,900 是多花些时间在一起 47 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:40,440 (两个人都笑了) 48 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,519 (戈尔登)露比应该比我更喜欢 49 00:02:43,519 --> 00:02:44,519 我过去的创作 50 00:02:44,519 --> 00:02:45,650 然后我呢比她更喜欢 51 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:47,010 她过去的作品 52 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:48,850 我们很少在会回顾过去的东西时 53 00:02:48,850 --> 00:02:49,850 一同感叹 54 00:02:49,850 --> 00:02:52,440 “我们原来做的东西都好赞。” 55 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,180 从来不会 56 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,120 (斯泰勒)越旧的作品 57 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,130 我越不喜欢 58 00:03:00,130 --> 00:03:02,250 然后有时候你会说 59 00:03:02,250 --> 00:03:04,049 “这好老了喔……” 60 00:03:04,049 --> 00:03:06,440 你都联系不起来了呢…… 61 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,480 (斯泰勒)我听你这么说过 62 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:08,989 可我从来没这么想过 63 00:03:08,989 --> 00:03:09,989 (戈尔登)从来没? 64 00:03:09,989 --> 00:03:10,669 (斯泰勒)没有 65 00:03:10,669 --> 00:03:11,980 (戈尔登)你可是不停地…… 66 00:03:11,989 --> 00:03:13,069 …举个例子吧… 67 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:14,940 (斯泰勒)得了吧,别说了 68 00:03:14,940 --> 00:03:15,940 (戈尔登)那个花瓶你怎么说 69 00:03:15,940 --> 00:03:17,020 好酷啊 70 00:03:17,020 --> 00:03:17,940 (斯泰勒)行吧,那算是一个… 71 00:03:17,940 --> 00:03:18,940 (戈尔登)看吧 72 00:03:18,940 --> 00:03:19,940 (斯泰勒)…我觉得还行 73 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:20,970 (戈尔登)行,那… 74 00:03:20,970 --> 00:03:21,810 (斯泰勒)好啦,得了吧 75 00:03:23,380 --> 00:03:26,040 (戈尔登)好多情况来讲, 你做出的东西越多 76 00:03:26,050 --> 00:03:27,800 你能做的东西也就越多 77 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:28,800 你做出了很多作品 78 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,580 然后保存下几个 79 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,339 我发现我会再看看它们 80 00:03:34,339 --> 00:03:36,260 然后想要把他们 丰富扩展一下 81 00:03:36,260 --> 00:03:38,519 比如说,我找出来了那个 我在移动的图 82 00:03:38,519 --> 00:03:40,250 是和其他几张图 83 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:41,909 差不多同一段时间设计出来的 84 00:03:41,909 --> 00:03:44,060 我等于是从旧作上 再次得到了灵感 85 00:03:44,060 --> 00:03:46,310 很期待基于曾经的作品 86 00:03:46,310 --> 00:03:48,530 新的创作会成什么样 87 00:03:54,170 --> 00:03:57,319 我比较好奇如果我把 88 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:00,500 一张脸上 最具身份代表性的部分去掉 89 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:02,319 也就是,我能把肖像的定义 90 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:04,039 拓展到什么程度 91 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,140 就是,试验一下 92 00:04:07,150 --> 00:04:09,439 我能把眼睛 93 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:10,569 鼻子 94 00:04:10,569 --> 00:04:12,099 嘴巴的位置偏离多少 95 00:04:12,099 --> 00:04:16,119 然后依然能够让人多少得 看出来那是一幅肖像 96 00:04:16,130 --> 00:04:18,870 比方说,就论这些图吧 97 00:04:19,540 --> 00:04:21,700 它们非常新 98 00:04:21,700 --> 00:04:23,760 我也搞不清楚 99 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,970 嗯,我觉得要花很长世间 100 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:31,150 去弄明白你在做什么 101 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,020 (斯泰勒)我曾有过一段时间, 花了几个月 102 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:39,470 也还是没确定下来 103 00:04:39,470 --> 00:04:41,300 我要往什么方向走 104 00:04:41,300 --> 00:04:42,320 那种感觉好像 105 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,860 你必须达到一种妄想地境界 106 00:04:44,860 --> 00:04:46,600 然后坚持每天 都回到这个点上 107 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,240 然后经受更多地失败 108 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,660 我觉得我从来都 没对我的作品满意过 109 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:55,660 但我认为这是好事 110 00:04:55,660 --> 00:04:56,810 因为我本身会很焦虑 111 00:04:56,810 --> 00:04:59,230 我就想不停地进步然后做出 112 00:04:59,230 --> 00:05:01,910 能超乎我意料的东西 113 00:05:01,910 --> 00:05:04,670 创造出有很有野心 114 00:05:04,670 --> 00:05:06,350 能震撼到我自己东西 115 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,520 (戈尔登)我觉得我呢 116 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,490 在年代的概念上讲 正好在中间 117 00:05:18,490 --> 00:05:20,820 我的一半生活在网络时代之前 118 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:22,230 一半是在之后 119 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:23,450 所以我觉得 120 00:05:23,450 --> 00:05:27,140 模拟和数码传输之间 121 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:29,490 存在着很有意思地冲突 122 00:05:29,490 --> 00:05:30,830 它们两者我都喜爱 123 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:32,760 (快门响声) 124 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:35,540 比如说吧 125 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:37,680 这个大体上是静物 126 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,780 我简单得选取了西瓜 127 00:05:40,780 --> 00:05:42,200 绿水壶 128 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:44,730 蓝色地梅子 129 00:05:44,730 --> 00:05:47,390 和橙色地桃子 130 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,800 然后建置了个新地画板 131 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,340 然后把 132 00:05:53,340 --> 00:05:56,080 这些物件拼贴到新地画布上 133 00:05:58,470 --> 00:06:00,740 我很好奇,一直都很好奇 134 00:06:00,740 --> 00:06:02,680 有没有一种方法 135 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,780 把非具象地图像 136 00:06:04,780 --> 00:06:07,030 而且是,静态风格地图像 137 00:06:07,030 --> 00:06:08,910 和我的摄影联系起来 138 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:11,060 他们就像介于两者之间的产物 139 00:06:11,060 --> 00:06:12,900 我很想知道 140 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:15,460 摄影,绘画和雕塑的分界线 141 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:18,280 应该怎么划分 142 00:06:20,590 --> 00:06:22,370 我觉得真正地问题是 143 00:06:22,370 --> 00:06:24,530 你怎样才能持续努力 144 00:06:24,530 --> 00:06:27,850 而且持续保持真心地投入 145 00:06:27,850 --> 00:06:30,020 然后真正喜欢你做的事情 146 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:32,630 对于我来讲,唯一能达到这样地方式 147 00:06:32,630 --> 00:06:34,250 就是尝试新东西 148 00:06:34,250 --> 00:06:37,190 发明制作图片的新方法 149 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,900 可能这样慢慢地 150 00:06:39,910 --> 00:06:42,020 这些问题就会有答案了 151 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,998 但就现在来讲, 我就只是 152 00:06:44,998 --> 00:06:47,188 提出来这些问题