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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.66,0:00:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.62,0:00:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[New York Close Up]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.20,0:00:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Daniel Gordon, Artist]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.32,0:00:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[SOUND OF CELL PHONE VIBRATING]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.46,0:00:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[GORDON] Hello?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.22,0:00:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,["Daniel Gordon Looks Back"]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.52,0:00:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--Yeah, this is he.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.92,0:00:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few weeks ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.20,0:00:44.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was here working
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.41,0:00:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I got a call from somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.73,0:00:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who had bought a work that I made in 2004
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.72,0:00:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the picture was damaged
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.14,0:00:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were wondering if they could have\Nit reprinted.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.63,0:01:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I started looking for the negative
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.39,0:01:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was really great to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.51,0:01:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,step back twelve years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.18,0:01:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see what I was making then.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.10,0:01:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's shockingly kind of similar
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.65,0:01:13.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what I'm doing now.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.06,0:01:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really like that plant--\Nit’s so weird--
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.38,0:01:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think that's the clue\Ninto the fact that it's
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.54,0:01:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a constructed tableau.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.63,0:01:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Back then I was trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.31,0:01:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figure out what my voice was
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.49,0:01:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was also just kind of learning how to\Nmake stuff physically.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.02,0:01:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really was trying to mimic reality
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.56,0:01:44.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is something that I have become
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.09,0:01:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less and less interested in.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.54,0:01:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not that there's not
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.54,0:01:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a version of reality in my pictures now,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.00,0:01:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but instead of trying to hide all of that work
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.77,0:02:02.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it became more interesting to show
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.89,0:02:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the crumpled paper
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.50,0:02:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the handmade stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.12,0:02:09.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show that Photoshop is, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.45,0:02:12.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really present in the process.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.93,0:02:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Changing a watermelon to be blue
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.97,0:02:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a peach to be green...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.51,0:02:19.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pixelating things.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.26,0:02:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adding noise to stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.12,0:02:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Sound of keys jingling off-screen]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.88,0:02:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Danny moved to a new studio]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.72,0:02:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[next to his wife Ruby.]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.22,0:02:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[RUBY SKY STILER] I thought we needed more space\Naway from each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.10,0:02:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but maybe what we really needed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.42,0:02:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was some more time together.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.90,0:02:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[BOTH LAUGH]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.44,0:02:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] Ruby probably likes my past work
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.52,0:02:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than I do,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.52,0:02:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I like Ruby’s past work
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.65,0:02:47.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than she does.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.19,0:02:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's pretty rare that we would look back
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.85,0:02:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're like,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.85,0:02:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"That was so great, what I was doing."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.44,0:02:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.44,0:02:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STILER] As I get further from the thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.12,0:03:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I dislike it more and more.\N[Ruby Sky Stiler, Artist]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.13,0:03:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] But then sometimes, you go,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.25,0:03:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's so long ago..."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.05,0:03:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you really are so detached...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.44,0:03:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STILER] I've heard you say that before
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.48,0:03:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've never felt that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.99,0:03:09.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] You haven’t?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.99,0:03:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STILER] No.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.67,0:03:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] Every now and then, you...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.99,0:03:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...like what about, um...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.38,0:03:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STILER] Oh God, don't even say a thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.94,0:03:15.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] What about the vase?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.94,0:03:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was so cool!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.02,0:03:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STILER] Okay, that's the one thing...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.94,0:03:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] See.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.94,0:03:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STILER] ...that I think is okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.94,0:03:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] Okay, what about, um...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.97,0:03:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STILER] Okay, stop!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.38,0:03:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] In a lot of ways,\Nthe more work you make,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.05,0:03:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more there is to make.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.80,0:03:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You make a lot of work
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.80,0:03:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you hang on to a few,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.88,0:03:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I find myself looking back
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.82,0:03:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a few pictures
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.42,0:03:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wanting to expand on those.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.26,0:03:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, I found that picture when I was moving.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.52,0:03:40.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was made around the same time
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.25,0:03:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as some of these other pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.91,0:03:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was re-inspired by it
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.06,0:03:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wanted to see what it would be like
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.31,0:03:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I took that as a starting point.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.17,0:03:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was interested in what happened\Nif I took out
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.32,0:04:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the identifiable parts of a face.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.50,0:04:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kind of, like, how far I could push
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.32,0:04:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the idea of a portrait.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.20,0:04:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kind of, how far I could go
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.15,0:04:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,away from what an eye is--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.44,0:04:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what a nose is,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.57,0:04:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what a mouth is--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.10,0:04:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and still hopefully have it read as\Na portrait in someway.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.13,0:04:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, for example, just talking about these pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.54,0:04:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're so new that I don’t know
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.70,0:04:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the answers to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.76,0:04:26.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I think it takes a long time to,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.97,0:04:31.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of, understand what it is you're doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.12,0:04:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STILER] I've been in a stage\Nfor a couple of months
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.03,0:04:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where, like, I haven’t been able to figure out
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.47,0:04:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I want to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.30,0:04:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.32,0:04:44.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to be delusional to, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.86,0:04:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep coming back everyday
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.60,0:04:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make more failures.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.20,0:04:54.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just feel like I'm never satisfied\Nwith my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.66,0:04:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's good--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.66,0:04:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, I'm always antsy.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.81,0:04:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just want to keep growing\Nand making things
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.23,0:05:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are beyond my expectations
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.91,0:05:04.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and making things that are ambitious
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.67,0:05:06.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and terrify me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.04,0:05:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[GORDON] I think I'm, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.52,0:05:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right in between, generationally.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.49,0:05:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived half my life before the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.82,0:05:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and half my life after.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.23,0:05:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think that there's
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.45,0:05:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a really interesting conflict between
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.89,0:05:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the analog versus the digital.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.49,0:05:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I love both.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.84,0:05:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Camera shutter clicks]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.52,0:05:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.54,0:05:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, this really large still life.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.68,0:05:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I made a quick selection of watermelon,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.78,0:05:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the green jug,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.75,0:05:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the blue plum,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.73,0:05:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the orange peach.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.96,0:05:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then created a new canvas,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.80,0:05:53.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, kind of, stamped those...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.34,0:05:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that selection into the new canvas.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.47,0:06:00.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was curious--and still am curious--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.74,0:06:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there was a way to make
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.68,0:06:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non-representational images
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.78,0:06:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also, still, in some way,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.03,0:06:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are related to my photographs--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.91,0:06:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they're, kind of,\Nan in-between thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.06,0:06:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just kind of interested to see
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.90,0:06:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the line between a photograph,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.46,0:06:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a painting, and a sculpture lies.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.59,0:06:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the real question is
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.37,0:06:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can you continue to work
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.53,0:06:27.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and continue to be truly invested
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.85,0:06:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and truly interested in what you're doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.02,0:06:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, for me, the only way to do that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.63,0:06:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to try new things--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.25,0:06:37.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to invent new ways of making pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.24,0:06:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that, eventually,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.91,0:06:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe those questions will have answers.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.40,0:06:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, like, right now,\NI'm just, kind of,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.60,0:06:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking the questions, I think.