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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Talks at Google - Peter Gabriel - \NOctober 2nd, 2012)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.86,0:00:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.52,0:00:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi there,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.99,0:00:26.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Introducing] Peter Gabriel, Google - \NGoogle, Peter Gabriel.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.52,0:00:31.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]\N
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.14,0:00:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is another Talks at Google event\Nand we're very, very pleased \N
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.17,0:00:36.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to welcome musician, artist and activist\NPeter Gabriel today.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.17,0:00:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are going to have the great chance \Nto ask him questions
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.44,0:00:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about his current tour\Nand the 25th anniversary of "So"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.16,0:00:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is going to be released\Nactually at the end of October,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.62,0:00:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on October 22nd,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.62,0:00:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'll have also some chance \Nfor the audience to ask him questions as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.10,0:00:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why don't we get started?\N
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.34,0:00:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You 're here on tour, \Nin the middle of the tour.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.34,0:00:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what was the story behind the tour? \NHow did it come to be?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.37,0:01:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Peter Gabriel] \NWell, there were a number of things,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.18,0:01:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I have never really \Ndone a retro tour before
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.39,0:01:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was pretty resistant, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.86,0:01:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know Robert Plant quite well \Nand we were chiding each other
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on who was going to succumb\Nto the big money first.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, I went to see the Beach Boys\Ndo Pet Sounds
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I always used to love.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that convinced me that\Nto see one of the records you enjoy
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from start to finish\Nwas an actually good thing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that coincided \Nwith some nice offers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that was an easy decision.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm actually going to \Ntake a sabbatical year
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with my family.\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got a teacher coming out with us
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so it helps underwrite\Nthat sabbatical year as well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were a number of reasons but,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I decided to bring back the band\Nthat originally toured that record
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so that's been fun\Nand we're actually having a great time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do the evening in three parts.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first part is based on the idea\Nthat the process is often as interesting
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if not more interesting \Nthan the final product.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we start off with an unfinished song
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we do sort of rehearsal mode\Nwith the house lights on,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the starter.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the main course is a few songs,\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more electronic\Nor electric versions of things
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then the last chunk, \Nif you can get through all that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get your dessert \Nwhich is the "So" album.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's how it works.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Interviewer]\NSpecifically about the "SO" album,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're playing,\Nthe actual tour is called "Back to front"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that seems to be the sort of \Nthe format you just discussed
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but playing "So",\Nthe track order that you have now
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That wasn't the original track order, \Ncorrect?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, this is an interesting diversion\Nabout technology,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because although I'm a big fan of vinyl
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was also a great fan of \Nthe digital world
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because suddenly we could get\Nmore dynamics in the music
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there were restrictions \Nin the vinyl world.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, the track\N"In your eyes"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always wanted to go \Nat the end of the record
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it has a good bass line there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To get a fat bass line \Non a full vinyl record,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't put it near the end.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to have it nearer the beginning,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it went on the start of side two\Njust because there wasn't enough room
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\Nfor the needle to vibrate\Nas it got close to the center.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, then, when CDs came along,\NI was able to take that track
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put it back on the end\Nwhere it always should have been.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on this release that's coming up,\Nit's a couple of variations.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I understand, there's the CD itself\Nrereleased and remastered
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's the third time \Nyou remastered that ...
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, as long as people keep buying it \Nwe'll remaster it (audience laughs)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, it's going to be\Na comprehensive boxed set
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's got both CDs,\Nmaterial that hasn't been released yet
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also a DVD with some concert footage,\Nand you've been sitting on this,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this has been in the stores...
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Peter) Yeah, we'll throw\Nany old shit in there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, it was old, get it in.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, but there were a couple of things\Nwe were waiting for the right day,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, you always get more interested\Nin the latest thing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we'd sort of forgotten about that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also we shot the film, the show,\N25, 26 years ago
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scorcese had been producing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he had got \Nthis wonderful cinematographer doing it
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we hadn't realised quite what we had,\NSo we went back to the film,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean tons of film cans \Nhad to be carefully resurrected
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we took\Nall the data off the film
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then \Nhad a much better resolution version
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that concert \Nthat we had done previously.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Interviewer) And the actual \Nproduction of "So"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also some of the videos\Ndocumenting that...
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over what time period\Ndid that actually happen?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From when you thought about \Nthe album you did originally
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to getting it out the door?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Peter) So on this latest thing...?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Interviewer) The original.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that just sort of happened\Nas things came up.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There wasn't really \Na brillant master plan.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, when we finish this \Nthen what else do we need to do?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were trying film things,\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, again, if you have the opportunity\Nto have two gigs in the same place
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it makes filming a lot easier\N'cause you can do the set up,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the mistakes you make\Non the first day
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can try and sort out\Non the second day.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we did that in Greece as well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when you're approaching songwriting,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe at the time \Nyou're approaching songwriting,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With regards to "So",\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did you have a list of songs\Nand then say, "OK, right,\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to select\Nthese musicians to start working with"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or were you writing \Nand recording at the same time?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm always writing lyrics \Nuntil the day it's released, really.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm slow with those, \Nbut there were a few ideas.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, I had forgotten this\Nbut Manu and Tony said
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Sledgehammer was an afterthought.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a taxi, \Nwaiting to take Manu back to Paris
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we had an hour left.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I said, I've got this new idea\Nthat maybe we could just put a demo down\N\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean we carried on working on it \Ncause it felt great,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was quite an after thought.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then Sledgehammer\Nalso took on a life of its own
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it came to the video\Nwhich you worked with Arvin on and others
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My son, first, straightaway said,\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The chickens! That looks \Njust like Wallace and Grommit!"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did that come to be?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, the man who did the chickens was\Nthe man who created Wallace and Grommit.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was working \Nwith this brilliant director
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Steven R. Johnson \Nand he brought in the Quay Brothers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is a fantastic sort of\Ndark East European looking animation.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I saw they've now got \Na big thing at MOMA in New York.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I bought an AARDman animation\Nwho were from down the road in Bristol.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Steven and I had a couple of weeks \Njust bashing through ideas
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we bought in the others.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was a really exciting \Ncreative brainstorming.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's always been one of the things\NI most enjoy about what I do\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is working with people\Nfrom different backgrounds,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often smarter than I am\Nand just cooking something up.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was a great experience, \Nbut quite painful too
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause we did everything \Nthe old fashioned way
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frame by frame.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when you see a sky\Nmoving across my face
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has been painted \Nframe by frame
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the skin gets very raw.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you're under glass \Nwith a lot of raw fish,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on day one, that's fun, but day two ...\Nat least you put the blame on the fish.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that video I think\Nis actually the most played video
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever on MTV.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, granted, \Nthey don't play
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite as many videos these days, \Nbut still the fact...(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's a huge accomplishment.\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having been relatively young at that age,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was so different\Nfrom anything that was out there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it set a standard for an experience
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was getting you \Ninto the mind of the writer
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the artist in a different way.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An entertainment value that \Nwasn't just for the sake of entertainment
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also telling a story.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I think that\Nwhat was great about videos then
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that there were\Npeople who wanted to watch them
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was a budget\Nand there were no rules.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you could do \Nwhat the hell you wanted
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was no one there\Nto say "No, this is the way we do it."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Back to songwriting, I want to ask
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mike Rutherford made the comment once\Nthat you're a frustrated drummer.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You started as a drummer in school.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think you think more rhythmically,\Noriginally, about a song,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or do you think more melodically?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think both. There are some things\Nthat are just based on melody,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but groove is \Nwhat drove me into music.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think drummers, \Nthey seem to be in command
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this really loud thing\Nand it looks like a lot of fun.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what I wanted to be.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was very enthusiastic.\NNot very good.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was fine \Nin the early days of Genesis
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we had guys\Nwho were good solid drummers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they weren't that creative.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then when we got Phil,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately he was \Na way better drummer than I was.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I used to still have\Nsome bits of my drum kit onstage
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would find my bass drum\Nfull of carpet.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gradually these things\Nwere getting reduced,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that was a subtle way of saying\Nthat maybe I wasn't the best timekeeper.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, being a major drum fan
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I worked with some of \Nthe best drummers in the world, I think.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of those is Stewart Copeland\Nwho is also a lousy timekeeper.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Interviewer]\NJust don't tell that to Stewqrt Copeland.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I've told him, he'll say it himself,\Nbecause he races.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the energy he puts into his drumming\Nand the attack on that is fantastic.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He does that brilliantly.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Interviewer] On that album\Nhe played high-hat
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, this is the thing;\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had so many wonderful drummers\NI could cut out bits and pieces
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get a bit of a high-hat from Stewart,\Na kick from Manu and whatever it was...
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm a bit obsessive\Nas you might guess from this.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The groove has to be right.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We work quite hard trying to find
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,grooves that aren't the regular ones\Nyou're hearing on the radio.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Interviewer] With having this band\Nback on stage together,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are there some moments\Nwhen you look around and it's déjà vu?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, and we all look exactly the same\Nas we did twenty-five years ago.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, a couple of the guys do,\NI wish I could say that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a bit like family get-togethers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you end up with\Nthe same bunch of folk
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing exactly the same thing\Nas you always did,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with all the pleasures and problems\Nthat went along the first time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it feels very familiar\Nbut I'm enjoying it a lot.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Interviewer] And as far as the way\Nin which the songs evolve
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you're on tour,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's that section that's defined as\N'let's play with these more'
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but do you also come back\Nand rearrange the songs a little bit?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are they the same songs
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you started out with\Nat the beginning of the tour
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you wind up with at the end?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we try to get them right\Nso we are tweaking,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every sound check \Nwe're trying to find a few weaknesses
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nail them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We never used to play \Nall those tracks together
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partly because two of them\Nwere a bitch to get right.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We couldn't get them working.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think we're \Nclosing in on them anyway.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You do want to keep changing it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, I keep forgetting
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we did start off\Nrehearsing some other stuff as well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we've got things\Nbeginning to feel like a real show
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and working properly,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then when you do change the numbers over
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that means also \Nthat you need to re-program the lights
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all that stuff.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we will be doing that,\Ngetting some flexibility,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but gently.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Interviewer] In a tour like this \NI know that you've always
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put a lot of energy and time\Nto make a concert a full experience,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just 'OK, here's some nice lights\Nand here are the songs'
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,played the best they can be
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also the experience of the songs,\Nin a way.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much time goes into\Nprepping for a tour like this?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a fair bit,\NI've got some very smart people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, there was an idea,\Noriginally 25-26 years ago
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was just doing videos
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I saw the cameras on these booms\Nthat were being manually operated.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought the way they moved\Nwas really cool.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we replaced the cameras with lights
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now we've got lights\Nwith little cameras on them as well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they're still manually operated.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm working on another show after this\Nwhich will be more robotic, I think.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this one, I'm really enjoying\Nthe manual element.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It feels quite futuristic\Nand retro simultaneously.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Interviewer] And speaking of robots,\Nyou've always been
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Silicon-Valley-speak,\Nand early-adopter of technology,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with CDRoms