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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.00,0:00:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance Stevens] Posting posting
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.00,0:00:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, here we are: we're there.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.00,0:00:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With - this is learning 2gether, another episode of learning together,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.00,0:00:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is the 14th of July.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.00,0:00:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Happy independence day to any French we have listening.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.00,0:00:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course the could be listening, if not live, on the stream.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.00,0:00:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, they're not in the hangout, probably but we --
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.00,0:00:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's see, we also, we have recordings.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.00,0:00:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you might be listening on the recording.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.00,0:00:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is July 14, 2013.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.00,0:00:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're going to have a discussion today about Amara, amara.org,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.00,0:00:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a little captioning, or what do you call them?,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.00,0:00:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a - little tag at the bottom: transcribes the lyrics for you,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.00,0:00:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you transcribe the lyrics and it helps you make lyrics to media.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.00,0:01:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're going to find out what kind of media you can use and possibly some alternatives
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.00,0:01:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that might -- that some of us have been playing with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.00,0:01:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was playing with it earlier today and I found it really easy to use.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.00,0:01:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, it's just an interesting tool I--
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.00,0:01:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we got interested in it because Claude and Lucia - and I think that's Lucia I recognized a little ago:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.00,0:01:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi Lucia. She's just joined us. Your name just came up.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.00,0:01:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She did a lot of work transcribing our last MOOC session that we had.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.00,0:01:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we've got recording of that, MP3 recordings, YouTube recordings and also now, this transcription,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.00,0:01:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has been a little bit cleaned up through crowdsourcing.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.00,0:01:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, welcome everybody. Maybe we can go round and have people introduce themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.00,0:01:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say who's here.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.00,0:01:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Test your mike.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.00,0:01:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina Liakos] So, being to your right, I will --\N[Vance] There you are
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.00,0:02:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina]--introduce myself: my name is Nina Liakos.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.00,0:02:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm experimenting with my lower third and unable to move my flag from right to left.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.00,0:02:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] No, it's just right: you're looking out to it\N[Nina] Oh, I'm looking at [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.00,0:02:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] We're looking into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.00,0:02:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] OK then, all right\N[Vance] Yeah, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.00,0:02:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Does it say were I work?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.00,0:02:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tried to put that.\N[Vance] Maryland English Institute...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.00,0:02:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Yeah! It worked! And what's a preset?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.00,0:02:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] A preset? I don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.00,0:02:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] It's telling me "Please enter a name for your preset first." Anyway: no matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.00,0:02:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin Stewart] You can now [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.00,0:02:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry: I was going to answer the question.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.00,0:02:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The preset is just a way that you can actually set your lower third.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.00,0:02:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you might have several lower thirds, depending on the type of interaction and community
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.00,0:02:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you are participating in.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.00,0:02:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, it's just a way to say this.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.00,0:02:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] All right, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.00,0:02:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, yes, in addition to working there, I am also a WebHead
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.00,0:02:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this year I'm the lead coordinator for the Electronic Village Online
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.00,0:03:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trying to spread the word.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.00,0:03:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Call for Proposals is out and we'd love to have some of you guys put in proposals
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.00,0:03:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or participate, or both.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.00,0:03:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm outside Washington DC.\N[Vance] EVO sessions --
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.00,0:03:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] evosessions.pbworks.com [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.00,0:03:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I've put the link in the text chat.\N[Nina] Yes, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.00,0:03:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also trying to get out of my hangout toolbars
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.00,0:03:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will mute my mike.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.00,0:03:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Just click on the chat tool and it will put it over there [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.00,0:03:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok! So next over is Lucia I believe
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.00,0:03:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I recall from the text chat that I just helped transcribe
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.00,0:03:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Lucia was having trouble getting her mike going
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.00,0:03:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you have to unmute yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.00,0:03:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you - is your mike working, Lucia?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.00,0:03:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe she doesn't....
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.00,0:03:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you hear us?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.00,0:04:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] She said she had problems with the audio now,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.00,0:04:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] in the chat.\N[Vance] Ah, ok! Let's come back to...Oh,no! There she is!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.00,0:04:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe she's got it now. Lucia, Can you hear us?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.00,0:04:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe... Shall we move to Diana?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.00,0:04:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we'll come back to Lucia.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.00,0:04:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Diana] Hallo everyone! I'm a newbie here, and I'm very happy to be here with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.00,0:04:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm the tutor of English from Ukraine
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.00,0:04:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, well, I'm trying when I have just some time off my job I have
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.00,0:04:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, you know, I have joined several groups and tried to learn new things
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.00,0:04:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I really loved to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.00,0:04:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Life Long Learning: this is my motto.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.00,0:04:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I'm learning!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.00,0:04:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Good ! Do you know Lena [check]?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.00,0:04:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Are you calling [check] sorry?\N[Diana] No
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.00,0:05:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Oh, OK, well, she is ... somebody who joins us from Ukraine every now and then.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.00,0:05:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Diana] Ok, no, I don't know her.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.00,0:05:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Ok! Claude? (5:05)
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.00,0:05:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] I'm Claude Almansi and I started using subtitling tools, sort of 7 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.00,0:05:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was immediatel fascinated by the possibility for education.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.00,0:05:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, subtitling is first and foremost for including deaf people,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.00,0:05:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as soon as I saw how it worked, I thought what a good thing for education.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.00,0:05:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'll try to present some of the things we can do with subtitling tools in schools.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.00,0:05:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] OK. Next over is Benamin Stewart who has --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.00,0:05:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going on vacation after this week, and Benjamin is stepping in next week
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.00,0:05:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to help keep Learning 2gether moving forward,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.00,0:06:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and any volunteers who want to come forward in the next couple of weeks,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.00,0:06:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have -- Benjamin has actually set up a Google Doc for that,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.00,0:06:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can enter your name there, or you can also write on the wiki.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.00,0:06:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyhow, that's an aside, but thank you very much, Benjamin, for doing that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.00,0:06:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tell us about yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.00,0:06:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benajamin] Sure, and I'll try to include that link a little bit later
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.00,0:06:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for those of you who are either watching this recording, or --
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.00,0:06:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for those who wish to be participating in the coming weeks, in your absence, Vance,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.00,0:06:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,............ my name is Benjamin Stewart [check] (6:31)
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.00,0:06:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm an American, and I live in Aguascalientes, Mexico,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.00,0:06:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I teach free service English teachers at the public university here
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.00,0:06:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have my website here and if you want to know a little bit more,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.00,0:06:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll include the link here in my lower third.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.00,0:06:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I'm happy to be here and look forward to learning more about Amara.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.00,0:07:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] And that jo on the far end is Andreas. Andreas, nice to see you. How are you?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.00,0:07:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Andreas Formiconi] Hello. I'm fine, thank you. Hello to everybodyy.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.00,0:07:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, Vance.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.00,0:07:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here because Lucia is a student of mine in some sort of online courses I'm giving.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.00,0:07:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Claude is claiming to be a student of mine too, actually she is a powerful co-worker.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.00,0:07:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm a physicist playing and hacking with education stuff since --
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.00,0:07:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, some 10 years, something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.00,0:07:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I was trying to deliver a cMOOC, connectivist MOOC, last three months,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.00,0:07:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now I'm experimenting something different.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.00,0:08:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why I'm here. Thank you, Vance.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.00,0:08:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yeah! What a nice MOOC it was, apparently,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.00,0:08:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And well, OK, when we get Lucia back -- it looks like she has gone after some missing devices.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.00,0:08:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, Claude, did you want to tell us a little bit about Amara?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.00,0:08:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes. Amara was first called Universal Subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.00,0:08:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's an online subtitling tool, which produces --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.00,0:08:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sorry, first one thing: I'm not going to make differences between captions and subtitles,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.00,0:08:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are not the same for English English people and for English American people.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.00,0:08:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'll say "subtitling" and then I'll say "translating" when you use already-made subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.00,0:08:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make them in another language.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.00,0:08:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Amara started as Universal Subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.00,0:08:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the great advantage of it, and Lucia will be able to testify to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.00,0:09:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it is extremely simple to use.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.00,0:09:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just transcribe what you hear,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.00,0:09:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you synchronize it with the audio.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.00,0:09:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the software produces the subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.00,0:09:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was the basic application, back in 2010.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.00,0:09:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they added a lot of other things and it became a little less simple,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.00,0:09:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it remains still the simplest way of producing subtitles for a video.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.00,0:09:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So apart from the interest for the deaf people, it's also very useful for schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.00,0:09:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because -- I'm from Switzerland, so take a kindergarten in Switzerland
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.00,0:09:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they speak dialect, a sort of esoteric Swiss-German dialect:
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.00,0:09:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the teacher could make a video, subtitle it in German,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.00,0:10:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then other people could translate the subtitles in all sorts of languages,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.00,0:10:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that video would have an audience with all the other teachers,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.00,0:10:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe even kids of kindergarten, this way.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.00,0:10:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is why I've been using Amara for a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.00,0:10:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we can speak also of, say, alternative ways of using Amara after [inaudible: other voice overlapping] (10:24)
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.00,0:10:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[off voice] It's not taking it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.00,0:10:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I'll see if...\N[Off voice] [inaudible] ... manual
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.00,0:10:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Elaine here, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.00,0:10:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It might have worked. All right, OK
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.00,0:10:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's trying to set herself up, obviously, getting some help.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.00,0:10:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's Elaine Marshall, and also Ana Cristina Pratas has just joined us.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.00,0:10:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is your mike working, Ana Cristina?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.00,0:10:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No [laughs], OK. Well, we can read your lips.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.00,0:10:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] I think it's working now, can you hear me?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.00,0:10:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yes, we can, Ana, OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.00,0:10:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] Good evening everybody, from Al Ain in the UA.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.00,0:11:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, Vance and everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.00,0:11:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] OK. Claude was just telling us a little bit about Amara, that worked,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.00,0:11:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how easy it is to use to caption videos and other media, presumably.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.00,0:11:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes, I've even used it to translate text.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.00,0:11:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I made a very long video without anything in it,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.00,0:11:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I created false subtitles from a short story by Cory Doctorow,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.00,0:11:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I translated between the subtitles into Italian.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.00,0:11:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was quite fun to do, but it's not the best way of translating a text,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.00,0:11:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it works quite well.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.00,0:11:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can do all sorts of things with a subtitling tool,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.00,0:11:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because basically, what it does is it allows you to transcribe
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.00,0:12:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then to time if you want, but not per force, what you've transcribed.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.00,0:12:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you can download the subtitles either as subtitles with the time indications,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.00,0:12:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just as a transcript
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.00,0:12:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that, Andreas did this afternoon with Lucia's translation of the last meeting about the cMOOC:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.00,0:12:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he downloaded the Italian translation and then he --
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.00,0:12:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, he actually edited it for readability, but he pasted it in his blog.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.00,0:12:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, that's what I like about textual subtitling versus subtitling in a video,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.00,0:12:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apart from the fact that I'm very clumsy with my hands
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.00,0:12:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if I have to burn in subtitles in a video, it takes me hours.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.00,0:12:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's also because if you have a separate text file that makes - that shows the subtitles in the video,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.00,0:12:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can then do all sorts of things with the text file.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.00,0:13:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Now, to make the text file, you have to do it yourself
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.00,0:13:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or can you - suppose YouTube already has a transcription of some sort
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.00,0:13:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can you use that?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.00,0:13:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude - laughs] Sometimes - sometime, Vance\N[Vance .... it is junk]
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.00,0:13:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Now we've done that, I remember, with another subtitler,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.00,0:13:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a video of the US presidential campaign.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.00,0:13:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It looked as if the automatic captions were reusable.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.00,0:13:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we stuck through it, but I mean, it was fun too,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.00,0:13:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we didn't use Amara directly, we used something called Google Translator Toolkit
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.00,0:13:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you can use from the video on YouTube when you already have subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.00,0:14:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we asked PBS, because it was a PBS video, to just save the automatic subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.00,0:14:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if they were really new subtitles, then ask for a translation into English of the English subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.00,0:14:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we corrected - because what the Toolkit does is that it gives you the original subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.00,0:14:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it gives you the automatic translation.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.00,0:14:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So of course, there you had the Toolkit translating bad English into bad English.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.00,0:14:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we just corrected the second part.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.00,0:14:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was fun, but I mean, we never did it again.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.00,0:14:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it probably took us twice as much as, had we started from scratch.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.00,0:14:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's going to become possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.00,0:14:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Automatic captions are still total rubbish and you must never offer them for listening.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.00,0:14:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn't make sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.00,0:14:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes it's very vulgar.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.00,0:14:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was one case of an Italian video of the Deaf Institute in Italy.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.00,0:15:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At one point, a woman said "corona", which means "crown",
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.00,0:15:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the autocaption said "fanculo", which means "fuck off".
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.00,0:15:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there was no reason why "corona" should become "fanculo,"
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.00,0:15:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean no phonetical reason.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.00,0:15:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's better to - I mean if you have autocaptions on a YouTube video,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.00,0:15:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's much better to do real captions, because you'll find some appalling things in the autocaptions.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.00,0:15:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I have some pretty funny ones in some of Andreas' own videos, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.00,0:15:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I can't remember them offhand.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.00,0:15:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But sometimes it works. It will work, I'd say, in a couple of years' time,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.00,0:15:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this will completely change subtitling,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.00,0:15:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's improving really all the time, the automatic [voice] recognition.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.00,0:16:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Just a quick word to Lucia, who is in the stream.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.00,0:16:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe Lowan [check] is there too: Lowan Dahaha [check] has been popping in and out.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.00,0:16:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now we have 8 people in the hangout and there should be room for 10.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.00,0:16:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So its' just an announcement in case you're listening on the stream:
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.00,0:16:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you should be able to get in if you act fast on this.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.00,0:16:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One time offer [laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.00,0:16:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, we have two places actually, that's pretty good.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.00,0:16:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. Are there any questions for Claude at this point or--?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.00,0:16:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] I think I've a question [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.00,0:16:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the work in progress yesterday.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.00,0:16:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] I joined Amara and I'm afraid\N[Vance] Move your headphone down. Headphone isn't--
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.00,0:16:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Can you hear -- Shall I start again?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.00,0:16:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] That's better.\N[Nina] Yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.00,0:16:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] I have raised it to eat my apple.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.00,0:17:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yesterday I was looking at the video that's not a video with Vance and you all.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.00,0:17:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't manage to do anything with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.00,0:17:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I couldn't -- I didn't recognize the different pages
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.00,0:17:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the ......[check] text thing which is dragon pad or whatever - wherever the instructions were
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.00,0:17:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't recognize the pages I was on;
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.00,0:17:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I would click on the subtitle, it looked like I should be able to edit it
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.00,0:17:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I couldn't edit it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.00,0:17:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I was just looking at it, but couldn't do anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.00,0:17:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm also afraid that I jumped in and linked my YouTube account to that as
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.00,0:17:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you then told me that I shouldn't do.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.00,0:17:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I wondered if I could undo that somehow.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.00,0:17:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, so, that was my experience and I wonder if you could comment on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.00,0:17:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes, well, unlinking your YouTube account:
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.00,0:17:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you should have a link in your Amara account to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.00,0:18:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If not, you go to your Google Account and there is a setting, but then I can put the link maybe--
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.00,0:18:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps not right now, on how to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.00,0:18:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But from your Google account, you can also review all the apps you have authorized
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.00,0:18:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] to do things to your account.\N[Nina] OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.00,0:18:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] and then you can revoke the authorization.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.00,0:18:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you will still be landed with the link that Amara has put on your videos,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.00,0:18:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this you'll have to delete by hand.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.00,0:18:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] What will it have put on all my videos?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.00,0:18:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Something saying: "Help us caption this video at..."
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.00,0:18:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then there's a URL for an Amara page.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.00,0:18:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Actually, most of my videos are private, so it wouldn't make any difference anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.00,0:18:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Ah, then you mustn't worry about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.00,0:18:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But many people hadn't realized that when they had a video that was unlisted,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.00,0:18:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would get pumped to Amara with the link put and all that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.00,0:19:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At one point -- there's a thread in the help forum
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.00,0:19:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was about asking for deletion of videos and subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.00,0:19:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they got so swamped by requests from people who had done the syncing
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.00,0:19:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but didn't mean the effect
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.00,0:19:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they just changed the conditions and said they'd only delete videos
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.00,0:19:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when there was a DMCA takedown request
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.00,0:19:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I thought was a little odd for something that was meant to be open and free in its spirit.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.00,0:19:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, I mean, the trick is, if you've done that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.00,0:19:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you find yourself with Amara pages for videos you don't want Amara pages for,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.00,0:19:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you first of all unsync the two things,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.00,0:20:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you're not going to get the Amara subtitles fed automatically, without any possible control,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.00,0:20:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to your YouTube videos.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.00,0:20:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, well, if you then want to have the subtitles,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.00,0:20:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can start them on the Amara page
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.00,0:20:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then YOU decide when you want to add them to YOUR videos,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.00,0:20:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Andreas has done with several of the videos that we subtitled in the L--
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.00,0:20:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do you pronounce that? -- well, in the cMOOC.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.00,0:20:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we made the subtitles and he fished them from the Amara page and he added them to his video.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.00,0:20:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And unless you have thousands of videos, like, say, TED conferences,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.00,0:20:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it really doesn't make sense to [inaudible: have subtitles fed automatically to your videos]
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.00,0:20:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's easy to download a subtitle file and then add it to your YouTube video.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.00,0:20:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, there at least you've got control.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.00,0:21:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The syncing to YouTube thing might be a good idea if they gave you this control about what's happening
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.00,0:21:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they don't.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.00,0:21:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes you get vandals. You know Gangnam Style?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.00,0:21:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] You know the Gangnam Style video by PSY?\N[Nina, Vance] Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.00,0:21:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yeah, well, just before Xmas, someone vandalized the Spanish subtitles of that on Amara
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.00,0:21:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really vulgarly. I mean, I'm no prude, but that was really very vulgar.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.00,0:21:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that stopped there because there was no direct connection to the YouTube video,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.00,0:21:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but otherwise, had PSY done that, had he synced his videos,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.00,0:21:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extremely vulgar subtitles would have gone directly on his YouTube video --
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.00,0:21:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with almost, back then a milliard, now - sorry: a billion - now certainly a billion views.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.00,0:22:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's really inciting vandalism, this sync,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.00,0:22:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it is set up.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.00,0:22:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you can help me try to convince Amara to give people moderating control about
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.00,0:22:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is getting back to their YouTube videos, I'd be very grateful, because there are too --
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.00,0:22:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Yeah, it makes me not actually - it makes me kind of reluctant to participate in this.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.00,0:22:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems like we shouldn't be able to -- to change people's videos on YouTube.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.00,0:22:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, maybe you can make a new one with subtitles,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.00,0:22:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you shouldn't be able to change it irretrievably.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.00,0:22:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Exactly. That's really one of the issues: it's an issue --
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.00,0:22:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also there is an issue, vice versa,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.00,0:22:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people not knowing that their subtitles are going directly to YouTube.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.00,0:22:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, people can download them and add them.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.00,0:22:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, if you find your subtitles this way,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.00,0:23:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can go to the person and say: "Hey, please say I've done the subtitles" or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.00,0:23:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a communication.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.00,0:23:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if the person has synced accounts,there's no [garbled audio] (23:07)
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.00,0:23:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... I didn't even know you had stuff and subtitles and things, the subtitles just arrived.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.00,0:23:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But - sorry: I think this is a very important issue and I've been very sanguine about it on the help forum,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.00,0:23:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think maybe it's better if we perhaps [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.00,0:23:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mentioned [inaudible] Nina?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.00,0:23:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Yes. I'm sorry, you're kind of alternately freezing and I didn't get the question.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.00,0:23:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] No - you had a problem with editing subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.00,0:23:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] I wasn't able to edit anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.00,0:23:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] The one you...\N[Nina] ... I was in the right place.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.00,0:24:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] On the subtitle page, did you see the Edit link, on top right?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.00,0:24:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yeah, there's a tab. It's an Edit tab.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.00,0:24:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] I think I did. Let me go back and look at what I was looking at.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.00,0:24:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] That lets you in, and then I think I didn't understand, there are three choices,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.00,0:24:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one is cancel, discard and something else
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.00,0:24:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I pressed something else, and it said "Are you just playing around? If so, please discard."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.00,0:24:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] So that was just a...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.00,0:24:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Oh, you went through to the new editor, if you got that kind of message.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.00,0:24:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Oh? OK. Well, anyway, it was quite simple.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.00,0:24:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[people talking together]
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.00,0:24:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin] Yeah, I had a problem - oh, go ahead, Nina, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.00,0:25:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] This is - that link is where I was and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.00,0:25:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's see, I'm trying to - because I clicked on English to view subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.00,0:25:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] and on top of the English page, you should have seen Edit - Edit subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.00,0:25:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Now, the link you gave is to the main page\N[Nina] I'm trying to click on it
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.00,0:25:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's not doing anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.00,0:25:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, here it goes.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.00,0:25:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right. So, what I see at the top is: Subtitles Comments Revisions, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.00,0:25:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,higher than that, it's Subtitle videos Watch Volunteer Pro Services Help.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.00,0:25:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] No no no, sorry.\N[Nina] Oh, I see it: Edit Subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.00,0:25:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see it, I see it. OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.00,0:25:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And "Somebody else is currently editing, so please wait and try again later."
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.00,0:26:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, yeah, I think I didn't - didn't see that tab. It was kind of grayed out.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.00,0:26:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes. [inaudible: I didn't know] that link to Stacy Weston's tutorial PDF
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.00,0:26:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is actually much clearer because it's much better set up than
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.00,0:26:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible: the thing that we wrote in the piratepad]
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.00,0:26:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you want to try again, I'll try to get that link again.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.00,0:26:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oops - it (check)
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.00,0:26:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I can't.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.00,0:26:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Is it just happening to Claude's sound or is it everybody's sound that is sometimes...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.00,0:26:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Claude's sound. Yes, it's kind of, it's just getting a little tinny,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.00,0:26:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's obviously a bandwidth issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.00,0:26:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, don't worry about it: it's only happening sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.00,0:26:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, carry on.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.00,0:27:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] When that happens, I can't get anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.00,0:27:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Hm hm.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.00,0:27:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] So Benjamin, you had a comment?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.00,0:27:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin] Yeah, a question actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.00,0:27:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand that there is an automatic pause function or option.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.00,0:27:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yesterday I spent a few minutes trying to edit video, a YouTube video, to add some subtitles,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.00,0:27:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was able to add the video and - but I started off trying to use the automatic pause -
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.00,0:27:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't remember exactly how it's labeled - function and I couldn't get that to work,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.00,0:27:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so then I went to using just the Tab and the Shift Tab to play the video 4 seconds,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.00,0:27:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or repeat the video, and that worked very well.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.00,0:27:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I was able to very quickly add subtitles using the Tab function.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.00,0:27:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I wasn't able to use the automatic function,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.00,0:27:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that was one of the two problems that I had yesterday.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.00,0:27:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How is the automatic pause function supposed to work or --
Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.00,0:28:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and should this work on all browsers?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.00,0:28:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] I must say I tried the automatic function, what, 5 times, just hated it and never use it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.00,0:28:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I use, like you, the tab pause stopping and then restarting the video.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.00,0:28:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the 4-second one, the one for beginners, is quite good too,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.00,0:28:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except that at times, 4 seconds end in the middle of a sentence.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.00,0:28:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used the advanced from the start [check]. I think that's the easiest one,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.00,0:28:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if they say that the automatic pause one is the best one.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.00,0:28:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I really dislike the automatic, because if you have a language issue, it won't stop when you want, etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.00,0:28:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just skipped that one, I've never used that.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.00,0:28:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, except for trying at the very beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.00,0:28:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin] I'm sorry, and how does the advanced function work? -- or feature?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.00,0:28:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly like the 4-second one, except that you don't have the 4-second pause:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.00,0:29:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you only use your Tab to stop and restart, and you use Shift Tab to rewind.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.00,0:29:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the rewind, sometimes they say it's 4 seconds, sometimes they say it's 8 seconds
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.00,0:29:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes, in fact, it's more than 8 seconds, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.00,0:29:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it doesn't really matter. I mean that's, say, that's the weak point of the traditional editor.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.00,0:29:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's rewinding: it rewinds too much. Other editors have just 1-second rewind, which is much more sensible.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.00,0:29:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this changes with the new editor.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.00,0:29:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the new editor, the command is back and forward to the next and former subtitle.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.00,0:29:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's very sensible.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.00,0:29:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the same thing you actually have -- in YouTube, you even have a subtitle editor
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.00,0:29:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it works like that, and it's the same thing as well in other subtitling tools,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.00,0:30:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you can move from subtitle to subtitle.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.00,0:30:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The most, the finest navigation tool, I think, is in DotSUB. I'll write that here. That's--
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.00,0:30:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin] If I could ask you a second part to another problem I was having
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.00,0:30:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was able to advance to next, well phase I guess: there are kind of 3 or 4 steps that are involved.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.00,0:30:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was able to to the syncing stage but I was not able to get the syncing to work at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.00,0:30:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't figure it out [check], just in the few minutes I was trying to play around with it,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.00,0:30:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it looks like you -- you play the video and there is a red kind of vertical line that progresses,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.00,0:30:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you choose where you want to insert the subtitle.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.00,0:30:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I couldn't get that -- either couldn't get it to work or couldn't figure it out.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.00,0:31:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that -- I guess it's working properly -- I'm assuming I just did something wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.00,0:31:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But could you explain a little bit how that works?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.00,0:31:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes, again, I'm going to speak about the editor that comes up normally,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.00,0:31:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not the one you get to if you say you want to try the beta new editor,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.00,0:31:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the beta new editor is another kettle of fish. So let's stick to the main one.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.00,0:31:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. What you do when you want to sync, synchronize your transcript,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.00,0:31:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you use that [Tab] key to stop and start the video.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.00,0:31:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when you get at the end of a subtitle, you stop the video and then,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.00,0:31:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you click on the buttons that are indicated on the right to mark the end of the subtitle.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.00,0:31:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that clear?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.00,0:31:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin] Err, yeah. I'll have to try, to experiment with this.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.00,0:32:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kind of hard to see.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.00,0:32:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes. I have linked again Lucy Weston's tutorial, which is extremely good.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.00,0:32:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then DotSUB.com shouldn't be below that: that's another message I've added.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:14.00,0:32:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the "How to create captions using Amara" .pdf is really extremely good.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.00,0:32:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she's got great screen captures as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.00,0:32:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is more up to date than Amara's own documentation.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.00,0:32:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin] I don't suppose you have the link to--\N[Claude] I've put it
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.00,0:32:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin] a link to maybe a demonstration where it takes the viewer
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.00,0:32:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the whole process of adding subtitles?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.00,0:32:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.00,0:32:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes in - I'd have to find the piratepad again, but in the piratepad thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.00,0:33:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, I have the links also to the subtitled versions of the tutorials that do appear
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.00,0:33:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you are using the tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.00,0:33:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Didn't you see the video first?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.00,0:33:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, before you started writing, didn't you see the video?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.00,0:33:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It should have shown you a video.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.00,0:33:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, as this is not always appearing, I've got that in the piratepad somewhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.00,0:33:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll get the URL of the piratepad.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.00,0:33:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Yes, I just saw it and it's there.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.00,0:33:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I'm chatting with Lucia - let's see, there is the piratepad up here somewhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.00,0:33:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't recognize its -- anyway we'll find it in a moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.00,0:33:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm chatting with Lucia and asked her.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.00,0:33:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She said that when I subtitled, she got an e-mail with my revisions.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.00,0:33:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I asked her if you can revert Amara back to previous versions.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.00,0:33:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She says yes, you can recover any version on Amara,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.00,0:34:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I suppose that's one answer to vandalism.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.00,0:34:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she also said that Benjamin was asking about automatic pause and she has typed:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.00,0:34:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"When you're listening you st -- and suddenly you start typing without touching the tab key:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.00,0:34:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the audio stops automatically."
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.00,0:34:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't know: it was an answer to one of your questions, Benjamin.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.00,0:34:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that satisfactory?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.00,0:34:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance(?)] -- as I can't remember the question it was an answer to.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.00,0:34:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] It was about automatic mode in transcribing.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.00,0:34:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, then, if Lucia can do that, that's good. It's just that I find it very difficult to use.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.00,0:34:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I mean, you can try it: Lucia's description seems very convincing.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.00,0:34:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] So I have another question:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.00,0:34:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like to use songs on YouTube and that's really great when I find songs with--
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.00,0:35:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the subtitles are already done. But sometimes they're -- wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.00,0:35:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or sometimes they're bad English or sometimes they have no capitalization or punctuation.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.00,0:35:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, with Amara, can I edit those subtitles?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.00,0:35:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, for me, God knows how?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.00,0:35:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or would I have to start again?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.00,0:35:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] It depends what kind of subtitles they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.00,0:35:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they are textual subtitles, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.00,0:35:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you add the video to Amara, then the YouTube existing subtitles will be added to the Amara page
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.00,0:35:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you can edit them.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.00,0:35:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible, repeated:] If they are burned in the video, then you have to recopy the thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.00,0:35:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then resync it and all that.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.00,0:36:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is a team on Amara, which is called Music Captioning, where we have actually lots of songs
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.00,0:36:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we do usually is that we find a YouTube video which doesn't have captions,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.00,0:36:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we find the captions somewhere else,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.00,0:36:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there are lots of songs
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.00,0:36:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that already have their captions somewhere else,\N[note: I meant written lyrics, not captions; same in next ST]
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.00,0:36:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we use the existing captions just by copy-pasting or by uploading them as transcript
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.00,0:36:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we correct that and we sync that.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.00,0:36:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is -- I don't know if any of you know Richard Gresswell?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.00,0:36:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He teaches English in Bulgaria and he has a marvelous site
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.00,0:36:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I think I mentioned it somewhere in the pad -
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.00,0:36:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with songs with subtitles and then under there, also activities
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.00,0:36:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can be done with the songs and subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.00,0:37:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he uses Amara subtitling for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.00,0:37:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he is a member of the Music Captioning team.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.00,0:37:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] I have a question, if I may.\N[Claude] Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.00,0:37:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] Claude, initially you talked about some lexical gaps that sometimes happen
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.00,0:37:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you gave the example of Spanish and Italian.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.00,0:37:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I work in the Middle East and the script is different.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.00,0:37:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also teach online occasionally to Nepal, where the script is different again.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.00,0:37:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does Amara translate scripts which are non Roman scripts?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.00,0:37:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes. Amara uses what is called UTF-8 encoding.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.00,0:37:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if a script has a UTF-8 encoding, it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.00,0:38:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you have -- you have for example three kinds of Chinese subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.00,0:38:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't know Chinese, so I don't know if the scripts also vary,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.00,0:38:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's according to how literary or how [inaudible] the language is.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.00,0:38:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can have Japanese, you have Thai, you now have Urdu, which took a long time, you have Hindi.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.00,0:38:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yes: I'm not sure about Nepalese, I could --
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.00,0:38:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you can do is check that by trying to translate some existing subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.00,0:38:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll have all the languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.00,0:38:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] Great: including Arabic? Everybody (check} including Arabic?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.00,0:38:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes.\N[Ana Cristina] Wow, great.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.00,0:38:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes, yes: Arabic, certainly.\N[Ana Cristina] Thank you. [Claude] My pleasure.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.00,0:38:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I mentioned I've been playing with a tool called Instreamia
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.00,0:39:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and actually this is my experience of captioning
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.00,0:39:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm trying to...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.00,0:39:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's what I know I'm trying to put together
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.00,0:39:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the similarities between the two and
Dialogue: 0,0:39:06.00,0:39:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instreamia isn't open source.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.00,0:39:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It produces opensource artefacts but it doesn't
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.00,0:39:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not something you can just [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.00,0:39:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I [check] because I partecipated in a LCMOOC
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.00,0:39:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which they told us everybody was on an
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.00,0:39:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instreamia accounts for a year.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.00,0:39:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, I've been playing with it
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.00,0:39:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Instreamia does a lot of things
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.00,0:39:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has a [check] just beyond captioning
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.00,0:39:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the captioning is the one I have been using most
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.00,0:39:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm finding that sometimes I try to get a transcription
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.00,0:39:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of you tube videos and pull them in
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.00,0:39:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, of course, you have to do...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.00,0:39:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes it does a lot of work for you
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.00,0:39:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes not much work at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.00,0:39:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's quite [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.00,0:39:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's much better od course if you can do
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.00,0:39:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you just suggested in, say
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.00,0:39:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use a music video, where you can go to lyrics
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.00,0:40:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lyric site and get the lyrics there,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.00,0:40:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then use those
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.00,0:40:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,syncronize the lyrics
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.00,0:40:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, anyhow... I'm just.... it's...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:14.00,0:40:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I know how that works
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.00,0:40:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you find...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.00,0:40:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it works only with youtube videos
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.00,0:40:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the video has to be on youtube
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.00,0:40:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.00,0:40:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the youtube itself isn't altering
Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.00,0:40:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It plays in the Instreamia interface
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.00,0:40:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and captions come up
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.00,0:40:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,below the video and like Amara you can edit
Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.00,0:40:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those captions and you can change the syncronization
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.00,0:40:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also it does some [check] on them
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.00,0:40:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and allow and does some grammar, grammatical exercise
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.00,0:40:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some vocabulary work, and things like
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.00,0:40:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:40:55.00,0:40:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Oh, and that's free!
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.00,0:41:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yeah, it's kind of [check] in that respect, but of course
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.00,0:41:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I [check] use that much, I...
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.00,0:41:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very interesting if you
Dialogue: 0,0:41:05.00,0:41:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can go actually to Instreamia.com and you can
Dialogue: 0,0:41:07.00,0:41:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explore some of the things, videos that the people put there
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.00,0:41:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, in theory, that is open source
Dialogue: 0,0:41:13.00,0:41:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or better, it's open ...artefacts... open educational resources, let's put it that way,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:19.00,0:41:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not open source, but they're open educational
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.00,0:41:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resources that anyyone can go and play with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.00,0:41:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a lot of fun to go and find, say ,a Latin-Spanish
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.00,0:41:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,video that has a really exuberant singer and
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.00,0:41:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you really want to understand that
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.00,0:41:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can get translations and you can get
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.00,0:41:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those as you're listening
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.00,0:41:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it becomes a game to where
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.00,0:41:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to find a word
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.00,0:41:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a missing word from a choice of structures
Dialogue: 0,0:41:52.00,0:41:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[voices overlap]
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.00,0:41:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] What I hadn't to [check] this [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.00,0:42:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instreamia will also prompt - I dont't
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.00,0:42:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know what the technical word is - automatic captions from Youtube?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.00,0:42:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Ah, well no! It uses whatever is in Youtube
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.00,0:42:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, Youtube apparently tries to caption everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.00,0:42:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There usually is a transcript, sometimes there is
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.00,0:42:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes there isn't, but transcripts that you find there is usually
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.00,0:42:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,garbage, so, you know...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.00,0:42:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Will it be possible to transcript because Amara doesn't do that
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.00,0:42:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yes, it will! That's a nice thing about Instreamia
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.00,0:42:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It actually uses your transcript. When it downloads the video
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.00,0:42:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into Instreamia it downloads the transcript as well
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.00,0:42:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and syncronizes it, so that's work done for you
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.00,0:42:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] [inaudible] Sorry, even the automatic
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.00,0:42:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transcript made by Youtube gets pulled to Instreamia?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.00,0:42:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] That's it. Whatever is there.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.00,0:42:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever is there
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.00,0:42:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] That's a difference with Amara.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.00,0:42:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With Amara you have to cheat a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.00,0:42:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you want automatic
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.00,0:42:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to pretend that it's s not automatic
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.00,0:42:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and save it as it were normal
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.00,0:43:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then Amara will pump it
Dialogue: 0,0:43:01.00,0:43:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but normally Amara only pumps humanly subtitles from Youtube
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.00,0:43:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] mmm, Yeah and sometimes
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.00,0:43:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] I also, yeah, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.00,0:43:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Oh well, sometimes subtitles will be closed caption
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.00,0:43:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes will use it different systems to [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.00,0:43:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put some work into it and set up captions.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.00,0:43:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] of different kinds.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.00,0:43:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes you [check] attempt to...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.00,0:43:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you put a transcript over a recording
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.00,0:43:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes it's fairly accurate,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.00,0:43:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's very useful if you get one like that
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.00,0:43:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you just make a few changes
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.00,0:43:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[voices overlap]
Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.00,0:43:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] I've just one question for Vance, sorry, it's very quickly
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.00,0:43:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you done these captions with gap-fills for students
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.00,0:43:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or have you got the students to create
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.00,0:44:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the gap-fills for the video?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.00,0:44:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Well, that's done automatically
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.00,0:44:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can...I'll put a link in the..., I can put a link here
Dialogue: 0,0:44:07.00,0:44:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I get a moment and
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.00,0:44:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you [check] you go to..
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.00,0:44:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the students go to my site [check] my
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.00,0:44:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instreamia account and then they have yo create
Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.00,0:44:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an account, which is very simple
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.00,0:44:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] mmm
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.00,0:44:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] you just [check] the email address and password
Dialogue: 0,0:44:25.00,0:44:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you can see anything that's there in Instreamia
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.00,0:44:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I guess you need to make an account but [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.00,0:44:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an email address and a password and a username.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.00,0:44:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then you get the whole field,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:39.00,0:44:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I can give the link to mine, so you can see what's done
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.00,0:44:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it basically does
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.00,0:44:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it makes about 10 or 15 different exercise types
Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.00,0:44:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,automatically based on natural language processing
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.00,0:44:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check]
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.00,0:44:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a very interesting product it doesn't work all that
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.00,0:45:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smoothly at the moment, but the concept is really interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.00,0:45:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wrote an article about it
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.00,0:45:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check]
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.00,0:45:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that links it in the Piratepad
Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.00,0:45:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] Great! Thank you, thank you!
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.00,0:45:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] And, Vance, can it use also downloads of subtitles as with Amara or not?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.00,0:45:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I don't think, no, I dont't think so
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.00,0:45:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know people you can copy-paste
Dialogue: 0,0:45:27.00,0:45:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That it sort comes one at a time
Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.00,0:45:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think once it's in Amara you can use it
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.00,0:45:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there is not much you can really get out of it, so...
Dialogue: 0,0:45:36.00,0:45:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] But I mean in Instreamia, in Instreamia
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.00,0:45:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Ah Instreamia! I meant it in Instreamia
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.00,0:45:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] also [voices overlap]
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.00,0:45:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because that's for me the really big advantage of tools like Amara
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.00,0:45:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the one this is about, but also Dot.sub or
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.00,0:45:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Subtitle-horse and I love Subtitle-horse because
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.00,0:46:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's such a good name [46:00]
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.00,0:46:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The great advantages are that the subtitles can be downloaded
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.00,0:46:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reused in other contexts. For example
Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.00,0:46:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once I subtitled a video about missing people in Pakistan
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.00,0:46:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I did that using this stuff and then I tried to convert to the time tools
Dialogue: 0,0:46:21.00,0:46:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by hand [CHECK]
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.00,0:46:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I tried with several
Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.00,0:46:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] in the meantime
Dialogue: 0,0:46:30.00,0:46:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most of them sort of said: 'No. it's buggy'
Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.00,0:46:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of them accepted and the [check] fixed subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.00,0:46:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that I was able to reuse them on the [check] platforms and that I think
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.00,0:46:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really the great advantage of true
Dialogue: 0,0:46:46.00,0:46:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only Amara. Amara is nice with [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:46:50.00,0:46:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free and open source software.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.00,0:47:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But of all those online subtitling sites that use open standard formats for download
Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.00,0:47:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I... you can download subtitles as [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.00,0:47:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can also use .srt which is one of the formats of .spv
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.00,0:47:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now there's a new format where you can use on Youtube - which is called web vtt
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.00,0:47:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's really fashinating because
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.00,0:47:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soon you'll be able to use that for script
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.00,0:47:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and audio description - you know, the description of things for the blind people
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.00,0:47:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then browsers, in a couple of years time probably, will be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.00,0:47:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do the vocal synthesis of that, so,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:39.00,0:47:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead of having to do their expensive process of recording and order description,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.00,0:47:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inserting that in the video etc,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.00,0:47:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blind people will be able to switch that on and off
Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.00,0:47:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, if the description is too long, it would stop the video
Dialogue: 0,0:47:56.00,0:48:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while the description is read, and that's [check].
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.00,0:48:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think... For me it's not so much [check] beyond the video
Dialogue: 0,0:48:05.00,0:48:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, that's nice and that's important
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.00,0:48:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's what you can do with the file that makes the subtitle here
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.00,0:48:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I find fashinating.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.00,0:48:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in fact in these sort of alternative uses I indicate [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:48:23.00,0:48:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, say, you could
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.00,0:48:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Say you have not this hangout which [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.00,0:48:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to last one hour.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.00,0:48:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But sometimes you have conferences and then people don't video record
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.00,0:48:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it and you have [CHECK] 3 hours
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.00,0:48:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they went back online
Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.00,0:48:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course nobody is going to listen to a 3 hour-video
Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.00,0:48:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just [check]and there's always you know the glitches noise and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.00,0:48:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you really want people to be able to use that
Dialogue: 0,0:48:53.00,0:48:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the first step edit it, cut it and
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.00,0:49:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digestible pieces and that you could do it with a subtitle tool
Dialogue: 0,0:49:02.00,0:49:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you don't have to write subtitles because it's a a subtitle tool
Dialogue: 0,0:49:05.00,0:49:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could [check] from there to there cut
Dialogue: 0,0:49:10.00,0:49:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so on , and then you use that and you have all your time to
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.00,0:49:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] what you want to cut and what you want to keep
Dialogue: 0,0:49:19.00,0:49:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all you could have [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:49:22.00,0:49:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a video you haven't made yourself
Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.00,0:49:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you want to do a [check] study on one hour to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:27.00,0:49:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's very long for a student
Dialogue: 0,0:49:30.00,0:49:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then, you ask them not to do the whole subtitling which
Dialogue: 0,0:49:35.00,0:49:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,takes a lot of time, but use the tool to think
Dialogue: 0,0:49:41.00,0:49:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,notes that sync with the video
Dialogue: 0,0:49:41.00,0:49:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that would be on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:44.00,0:49:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not trying to [CHECK]
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.00,0:49:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I mean is that a subtitling tool just allows you to show
Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.00,0:49:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,text on a video at a given time and produces
Dialogue: 0,0:49:56.00,0:50:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a file where these indications are present
Dialogue: 0,0:50:02.00,0:50:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can use it for [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:50:06.00,0:50:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provided that you can access the file downloaded
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.00,0:50:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do things for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.00,0:50:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance][check] One of the interesting things about Instreamia
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.00,0:50:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is you can do things.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:26.00,0:50:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want I can show you just briefly
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.00,0:50:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I just happen to have on a screenshare
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.00,0:50:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] plays something really quickly and
Dialogue: 0,0:50:38.00,0:50:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can just sort see what it does.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.00,0:50:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's see! Here we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:44.00,0:50:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What have I got here? Yep! [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.00,0:50:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'll grab one of these items here
Dialogue: 0,0:50:49.00,0:50:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my window's just changed
Dialogue: 0,0:50:51.00,0:50:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't do that
Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.00,0:50:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, no! It did! It has cut my email [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:50:57.00,0:50:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok here we go on Instreamia. Let's begin
Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.00,0:51:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ok [check], Don't open anything
Dialogue: 0,0:51:00.00,0:51:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, that's the url
Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.00,0:51:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm looking for the one with 'Space oddity': that's a nice one
Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.00,0:51:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the Canadian astronaut who [check] the space
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.00,0:51:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and took the 'Space oddity' so I'll pick up this live listening exercise
Dialogue: 0,0:51:21.00,0:51:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't know if you will hear anything
Dialogue: 0,0:51:24.00,0:51:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it doesn't really matter: you know the song
Dialogue: 0,0:51:28.00,0:51:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Ground control to major Tom"
Dialogue: 0,0:51:31.00,0:51:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what you can see here is it starts playing
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.00,0:51:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if you can hear anything
Dialogue: 0,0:51:38.00,0:51:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no, I [check] on mute somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.00,0:51:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyway ok
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.00,0:51:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyway you can see the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:47.00,0:51:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just see the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.00,0:51:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately's the intro there
Dialogue: 0,0:51:52.00,0:51:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when it says "Ground control to major Tom"
Dialogue: 0,0:51:54.00,0:51:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you start see gaps appear
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.00,0:51:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so now it says
Dialogue: 0,0:51:59.00,0:52:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Ground control to major Tom"
Dialogue: 0,0:52:01.00,0:52:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then repeat that
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.00,0:52:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it jumps down to the next one
Dialogue: 0,0:52:05.00,0:52:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when it goes to the next one
Dialogue: 0,0:52:10.00,0:52:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a gap
Dialogue: 0,0:52:14.00,0:52:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ok so now you get a [check] but it stops
Dialogue: 0,0:52:20.00,0:52:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if, to get the song to keep playing
Dialogue: 0,0:52:22.00,0:52:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to choose on
Dialogue: 0,0:52:26.00,0:52:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then it resumes and you get the next one
Dialogue: 0,0:52:29.00,0:52:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, ok, I would stop that
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.00,0:52:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it actually [check] here because ...ok
Dialogue: 0,0:52:34.00,0:52:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] That's kind of complicated
Dialogue: 0,0:52:39.00,0:52:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance]You know, the interesting here is that
Dialogue: 0,0:52:43.00,0:52:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complicated is what it does
Dialogue: 0,0:52:45.00,0:52:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's not complicated what you do.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:47.00,0:52:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you do is just put the
Dialogue: 0,0:52:52.00,0:52:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just [voices overlap] video and then, yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.00,0:52:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no, you don't have to do that: it does it!
Dialogue: 0,0:52:57.00,0:53:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The software does it. So that actually would be something that... if Amara [check] open source
Dialogue: 0,0:53:04.00,0:53:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't be surprised they've used some Amara
Dialogue: 0,0:53:08.00,0:53:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tools and their work.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:10.00,0:53:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it all open source?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:12.00,0:53:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes, it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:14.00,0:53:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yes, ok. But...
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.00,0:53:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes, it is. But the thing of making the video go forward when you add something
Dialogue: 0,0:53:20.00,0:53:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in it, Coursera [check] also have that in their videos, except that - you know -
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.00,0:53:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the video will go
Dialogue: 0,0:53:28.00,0:53:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will go ahead to the point point
Dialogue: 0,0:53:30.00,0:53:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll see a little yellow sign
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.00,0:53:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[?] Yes
Dialogue: 0,0:53:35.00,0:53:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] ...on the subtitles and that's why you
Dialogue: 0,0:53:37.00,0:53:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have questions and [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.00,0:53:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the middle of the video
Dialogue: 0,0:53:42.00,0:53:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[?] Right! I was wondering how they do that! It's good!
Dialogue: 0,0:53:44.00,0:53:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] In the same way as Instreamia, I think!
Dialogue: 0,0:53:49.00,0:53:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[?] Makes the video interactive
Dialogue: 0,0:53:52.00,0:53:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] and personally ... Sorry, I'm not breaking rules
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.00,0:54:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that there's a time for everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:01.00,0:54:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, I mean, you have a lecture. I didn't [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:54:08.00,0:54:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for digital signal processing, which is really
Dialogue: 0,0:54:10.00,0:54:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cheecky because I just sort of script through my
Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.00,0:54:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] school exams in Maths and they requested
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.00,0:54:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,high calculus [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:54:22.00,0:54:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, so, I [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:54:27.00,0:54:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, if I had
Dialogue: 0,0:54:31.00,0:54:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I had to stop answering questions when I was listening to that sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.00,0:54:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very recognizable logic of the people who are [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:54:43.00,0:54:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what you did to digital
Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.00,0:54:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check]
Dialogue: 0,0:54:47.00,0:54:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in such a way, I have been [check] so maybe...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:49.00,0:54:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, I think it's better to have the video
Dialogue: 0,0:54:52.00,0:54:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you understand the video
Dialogue: 0,0:54:54.00,0:54:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you work on the video
Dialogue: 0,0:54:55.00,0:54:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do [check] on the video
Dialogue: 0,0:54:57.00,0:55:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can take notes on it
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.00,0:55:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you have the text.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:02.00,0:55:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's already done [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:55:05.00,0:55:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,correctness of subtitles in the video,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:07.00,0:55:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also take notes on video.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.00,0:55:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to add a text in the middle of that!
Dialogue: 0,0:55:12.00,0:55:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know...[check]perhaps I'm no digital [check], I'm afraid.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:19.00,0:55:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yeah, there are so many ways to do it, but it's really interesting to find
Dialogue: 0,0:55:23.00,0:55:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all of these companies automated something that - you know -
Dialogue: 0,0:55:27.00,0:55:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can choose from the tools and\N
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.00,0:55:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you're talking about to
Dialogue: 0,0:55:32.00,0:55:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever you're talking about [check] to put text in the middle\N
Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.00,0:55:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not having a text in the middle or - you know -
Dialogue: 0,0:55:36.00,0:55:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you can find a script that will make that easier for you to deliver\N
Dialogue: 0,0:55:40.00,0:55:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, that's nice but it's a bit [check] you know - that
Dialogue: 0,0:55:42.00,0:55:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know - that can be very useful.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.00,0:55:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yeah, but I mean...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:47.00,0:55:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I come from Andreas CMOOC where it's really learned centred
Dialogue: 0,0:55:54.00,0:56:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you [inaudible] already a restriction of
Dialogue: 0,0:56:00.00,0:56:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what learners can do with a video [inaudible] and it's better to have the students
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.00,0:56:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.00,0:56:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I stop that.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:17.00,0:56:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scripting things.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:20.00,0:56:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scripting things, scripting all the descriptions, scripting [check], scripting misheard subtitles.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:27.00,0:56:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That can be very funny to do.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.00,0:56:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can suggest those activities and then the students will
Dialogue: 0,0:56:34.00,0:56:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find their own way on explore tools.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:36.00,0:56:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The potential of syncing a text with a video
Dialogue: 0,0:56:41.00,0:56:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that if you have
Dialogue: 0,0:56:43.00,0:56:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, if they can skip the text, that's fine
Dialogue: 0,0:56:45.00,0:56:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check]they can ignore it, but the [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:56:49.00,0:56:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they should be able to enter the editing
Dialogue: 0,0:56:53.00,0:57:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to download the syncs and do all sort of [check] things with the [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:57:01.00,0:57:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ana Cristina] I just want to thank you both because I think
Dialogue: 0,0:57:07.00,0:57:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amara is great for the students' education if you are teaching online
Dialogue: 0,0:57:15.00,0:57:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where personally I think I would like - and I will hopefully use Instreamia in the
Dialogue: 0,0:57:21.00,0:57:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,classroom. I think it's great to have the students to create their own
Dialogue: 0,0:57:28.00,0:57:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gap fills for a song.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:30.00,0:57:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\NI don't know in my context whether I could get them to use Amara\N
Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.00,0:57:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but definitely for online course with more adult learners
Dialogue: 0,0:57:41.00,0:57:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's.... let's say - I think - very student centred.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:48.00,0:57:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] And this is... put me in mind of the - you know - a lot of work that's gone in video
Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.00,0:57:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you [check] to do is video\N
Dialogue: 0,0:57:58.00,0:58:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but [check] of it\N
Dialogue: 0,0:58:03.00,0:58:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll just put a link in the etherpad text chat
Dialogue: 0,0:58:06.00,0:58:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to an article about [check] and then
Dialogue: 0,0:58:11.00,0:58:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they were doing was recreating tools
Dialogue: 0,0:58:16.00,0:58:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you could play videos and news broadcast
Dialogue: 0,0:58:20.00,0:58:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in German let's say and you could turn these
Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.00,0:58:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the subtitles, because they had closed captions
Dialogue: 0,0:58:30.00,0:58:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at that time you can turn those on or off if you...
Dialogue: 0,0:58:33.00,0:58:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can play the video with or without the subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:58:36.00,0:58:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or see the subtitles or see the translation.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:37.00,0:58:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have different choices
Dialogue: 0,0:58:39.00,0:58:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes I even see this in my class
Dialogue: 0,0:58:42.00,0:58:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when my students watch videos.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:44.00,0:58:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes, though, choose videos with [check] subtitles
Dialogue: 0,0:58:45.00,0:58:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes they turn these off
Dialogue: 0,0:58:47.00,0:58:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes they have subtitles in English
Dialogue: 0,0:58:50.00,0:58:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with those [check] something in English and it has
Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.00,0:58:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a subtitle
Dialogue: 0,0:58:52.00,0:58:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes they listen, watch a [check]film in Japanese
Dialogue: 0,0:58:56.00,0:58:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't have the subtitle, you know, so
Dialogue: 0,0:58:59.00,0:59:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] That's quite [voices overlap]
Dialogue: 0,0:59:02.00,0:59:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] They're choosing - you know -how the modality
Dialogue: 0,0:59:05.00,0:59:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they want to experience this video
Dialogue: 0,0:59:08.00,0:59:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and giving the choice to the students is -
Dialogue: 0,0:59:11.00,0:59:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you said - it's student centred - you know
Dialogue: 0,0:59:14.00,0:59:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is ...[check] from the tools
Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.00,0:59:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will give students different choices
Dialogue: 0,0:59:18.00,0:59:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for getting at the language in the video can have...that's ...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:22.00,0:59:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and actually let them learn for themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:59:24.00,0:59:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the language that's there
Dialogue: 0,0:59:26.00,0:59:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's really valuable
Dialogue: 0,0:59:28.00,0:59:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and captioning is the real key of this - you know -
Dialogue: 0,0:59:30.00,0:59:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is why Amara is so important
Dialogue: 0,0:59:34.00,0:59:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why this [check] is so important.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:36.00,0:59:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Now, a few things I would like to mention still
Dialogue: 0,0:59:39.00,0:59:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On Youtube now it's possible also to have
Dialogue: 0,0:59:44.00,0:59:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a twitter stream appearing as a closed caption
Dialogue: 0,0:59:48.00,0:59:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't yet really studied them,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:52.00,0:59:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this is really fashinating
Dialogue: 0,0:59:54.00,0:59:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have a Youtube stream video
Dialogue: 0,0:59:58.00,1:00:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] are presumably producing now
Dialogue: 0,1:00:00.00,1:00:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you see appearing as
Dialogue: 0,1:00:04.00,1:00:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a live, a stream tool [check] about the video
Dialogue: 0,1:00:09.00,1:00:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that I really find fashinating
Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.00,1:00:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want to come back to the...
Dialogue: 0,1:00:14.00,1:00:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the learning [check] caption text
Dialogue: 0,1:00:17.00,1:00:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of which is not closed caption text
Dialogue: 0,1:00:20.00,1:00:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It does produce text
Dialogue: 0,1:00:22.00,1:00:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is not a text that is available
Dialogue: 0,1:00:24.00,1:00:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to everyone but which is also
Dialogue: 0,1:00:26.00,1:00:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fashinating. It's same language captioning
Dialogue: 0,1:00:29.00,1:00:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the idea started in India
Dialogue: 0,1:00:32.00,1:00:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professors decided that as everybody
Dialogue: 0,1:00:34.00,1:00:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,loved Bollywood songs
Dialogue: 0,1:00:37.00,1:00:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if TV started showing them with karaoke type captions,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:42.00,1:00:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people would learn to read without a notice [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.00,1:00:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not learning but keep their reading ability
Dialogue: 0,1:00:51.00,1:00:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's working very well
Dialogue: 0,1:00:52.00,1:00:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then there's a [check] professor who teaches English
Dialogue: 0,1:00:56.00,1:00:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to students with reading difficulties
Dialogue: 0,1:00:59.00,1:01:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he makes them make the karaoke subtitles
Dialogue: 0,1:01:04.00,1:01:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they've done that on Shakespeare
Dialogue: 0,1:01:08.00,1:01:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've done that on songs
Dialogue: 0,1:01:10.00,1:01:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've done that on the Bible and anything.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:12.00,1:01:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They did the recording from the internet
Dialogue: 0,1:01:14.00,1:01:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archive because you have a lot of books
Dialogue: 0,1:01:16.00,1:01:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are read aloud and have a text as well
Dialogue: 0,1:01:19.00,1:01:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then, I don't know
Dialogue: 0,1:01:21.00,1:01:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how they do it because I tried it
Dialogue: 0,1:01:23.00,1:01:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I go bunkers because it means such a concentration
Dialogue: 0,1:01:26.00,1:01:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but...you sort of tap the space bar everytime you
Dialogue: 0,1:01:31.00,1:01:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want the new word to appear in the karaoke caption
Dialogue: 0,1:01:36.00,1:01:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really the students who have reading problems
Dialogue: 0,1:01:40.00,1:01:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they made the most beautiful videos
Dialogue: 0,1:01:44.00,1:01:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also use a bouncing ball
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.00,1:01:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's crazy because you have
Dialogue: 0,1:01:50.00,1:01:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to tap each syllable so that the ball bounces on them
Dialogue: 0,1:01:53.00,1:01:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think that's really something worth
Dialogue: 0,1:01:56.00,1:02:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exploring, same language subtitling
Dialogue: 0,1:02:02.00,1:02:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yeah, and also get in your students to do it
Dialogue: 0,1:02:08.00,1:02:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yeah, exactly
Dialogue: 0,1:02:09.00,1:02:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I think it's so important also to work with
Dialogue: 0,1:02:11.00,1:02:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,short items if you can... I get them - you know -
Dialogue: 0,1:02:14.00,1:02:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you shouldn't get long movies
Dialogue: 0,1:02:16.00,1:02:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're really difficult
Dialogue: 0,1:02:19.00,1:02:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:20.00,1:02:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] one minute videos
Dialogue: 0,1:02:22.00,1:02:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yeah, those...\N
Dialogue: 0,1:02:23.00,1:02:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[voices overlap]
Dialogue: 0,1:02:28.00,1:02:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] because when you start within a tool
Dialogue: 0,1:02:29.00,1:02:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even a tool like Amara which is extremely simple
Dialogue: 0,1:02:32.00,1:02:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, Andreas and I started on some [check] video in dot.sub
Dialogue: 0,1:02:40.00,1:02:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I remember we had moments when just
Dialogue: 0,1:02:42.00,1:02:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we sort of just exited because just simply finger [coverance? check]
Dialogue: 0,1:02:48.00,1:02:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and getting the syncing done is done a little bit differently on Dot.sub
Dialogue: 0,1:02:52.00,1:02:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, very [check]; a manually student [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:02:57.00,1:02:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the manual dexterity
Dialogue: 0,1:02:59.00,1:03:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's good to start with very short things
Dialogue: 0,1:03:01.00,1:03:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I remember my first [check] captioning
Dialogue: 0,1:03:05.00,1:03:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it could have taken me sort of 10 minutes to get
Dialogue: 0,1:03:09.00,1:03:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20 seconds of video subtitle.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:13.00,1:03:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, yes, don't tell them to do [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:03:18.00,1:03:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although it's much easier on Amara than on other platrforms
Dialogue: 0,1:03:24.00,1:03:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you can do that collaboratively.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:27.00,1:03:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As we deal it with Lucia:
Dialogue: 0,1:03:30.00,1:03:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she transcribed and I synced
Dialogue: 0,1:03:33.00,1:03:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she... we did that as we went along.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:36.00,1:03:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] What we have done was the video we've
Dialogue: 0,1:03:39.00,1:03:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just spoken on for the itis13
Dialogue: 0,1:03:42.00,1:03:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Yes, that's the one
Dialogue: 0,1:03:44.00,1:03:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] [inaudible] Yeah
Dialogue: 0,1:03:48.00,1:03:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] But also we did them into someone's else
Dialogue: 0,1:03:51.00,1:03:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something on a documentary about Pompei
Dialogue: 0,1:03:56.00,1:03:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He...a lot of titling was
Dialogue: 0,1:03:58.00,1:04:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from an Indonesian ad
Dialogue: 0,1:04:02.00,1:04:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was interested also for theological reasons: he is a muslim
Dialogue: 0,1:04:07.00,1:04:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he was interested in Pompei
Dialogue: 0,1:04:10.00,1:04:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an example of god punishing men...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:13.00,1:04:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, though, humanity
Dialogue: 0,1:04:15.00,1:04:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, we started.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:17.00,1:04:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been to Pompei, he hadn't
Dialogue: 0,1:04:19.00,1:04:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I was [check] actor who did doctor Spock
Dialogue: 0,1:04:25.00,1:04:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Star Trek - they [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:04:27.00,1:04:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway I would
Dialogue: 0,1:04:28.00,1:04:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would transcribe
Dialogue: 0,1:04:30.00,1:04:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the end I would put the
Dialogue: 0,1:04:32.00,1:04:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check]
Dialogue: 0,1:04:34.00,1:04:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said: 'Look! You don't have to do that
Dialogue: 0,1:04:36.00,1:04:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we don't have to do it as Amara says.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:39.00,1:04:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to do all the transcripts
Dialogue: 0,1:04:41.00,1:04:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then captions
Dialogue: 0,1:04:42.00,1:04:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then syncronize.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:45.00,1:04:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can transcribe and then
Dialogue: 0,1:04:46.00,1:04:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you start syncronize
Dialogue: 0,1:04:48.00,1:04:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you go on transcribing: it works, too!'
Dialogue: 0,1:04:50.00,1:04:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's sort of [check] that's important
Dialogue: 0,1:04:53.00,1:04:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it isn't as far as [check] discouraging
Dialogue: 0,1:04:57.00,1:04:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can already see some subtitles
Dialogue: 0,1:04:59.00,1:05:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appear before you [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:05:01.00,1:05:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's a sort of thing that people
Dialogue: 0,1:05:04.00,1:05:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find on their own - I mean -
Dialogue: 0,1:05:06.00,1:05:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we did the activity for
Dialogue: 0,1:05:08.00,1:05:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with lt13
Dialogue: 0,1:05:10.00,1:05:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were two big bugs I think on Amara
Dialogue: 0,1:05:17.00,1:05:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while a lot of people were starting to
Dialogue: 0,1:05:20.00,1:05:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,subtitle
Dialogue: 0,1:05:22.00,1:05:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were totally unfaced
Dialogue: 0,1:05:24.00,1:05:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never known people who [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:05:28.00,1:05:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of losing it when the bug starts.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:32.00,1:05:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They just went along
Dialogue: 0,1:05:33.00,1:05:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They found alternative ways to go on working
Dialogue: 0,1:05:37.00,1:05:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is [check] to do that a few
Dialogue: 0,1:05:42.00,1:05:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:05:44.00,1:05:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right too much serious about how it works.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:47.00,1:05:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what we helped them
Dialogue: 0,1:05:50.00,1:05:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of sails through this big bug...was that
Dialogue: 0,1:05:53.00,1:05:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh well, oh!
Dialogue: 0,1:05:55.00,1:05:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That isn't looking as it shouldn't look!
Dialogue: 0,1:05:58.00,1:06:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what can I do?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:00.00,1:06:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they found [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:06:02.00,1:06:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because Amara is still extremely simple
Dialogue: 0,1:06:06.00,1:06:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in its concepts
Dialogue: 0,1:06:07.00,1:06:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what makes me slightly...
Dialogue: 0,1:06:11.00,1:06:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I must try Instreamia
Dialogue: 0,1:06:14.00,1:06:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I sort was [check] to\N
Dialogue: 0,1:06:19.00,1:06:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing too many things at a time
Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.00,1:06:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] [voices overlap] and try to learn a language
Dialogue: 0,1:06:26.00,1:06:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I just find it really compelling
Dialogue: 0,1:06:29.00,1:06:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what sucked me into it
Dialogue: 0,1:06:31.00,1:06:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was doing it in Spanish
Dialogue: 0,1:06:33.00,1:06:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and playing the videos and my
Dialogue: 0,1:06:36.00,1:06:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know - my [check] whatever [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:06:41.00,1:06:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and theories
Dialogue: 0,1:06:42.00,1:06:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was just drawing me into it
Dialogue: 0,1:06:44.00,1:06:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those guys saying in their interviews and in their
Dialogue: 0,1:06:46.00,1:06:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lectures that there really challenge [check] material
Dialogue: 0,1:06:49.00,1:06:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as though they run mooc like courses
Dialogue: 0,1:06:54.00,1:06:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for language learners
Dialogue: 0,1:06:55.00,1:06:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're always forgetting feed-back
Dialogue: 0,1:06:58.00,1:07:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from either the English teachers or
Dialogue: 0,1:07:00.00,1:07:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working with or their language learners
Dialogue: 0,1:07:02.00,1:07:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're just finding that
Dialogue: 0,1:07:04.00,1:07:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're very challenged to keep content coming
Dialogue: 0,1:07:07.00,1:07:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because students [check] of that sort
Dialogue: 0,1:07:10.00,1:07:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I don't know, it is...just try
Dialogue: 0,1:07:12.00,1:07:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it appeals, you know,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:14.00,1:07:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the idea I think it would be
Dialogue: 0,1:07:15.00,1:07:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get so many tools [check]
Dialogue: 0,1:07:18.00,1:07:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] them like they are translation tools
Dialogue: 0,1:07:20.00,1:07:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] awful
Dialogue: 0,1:07:22.00,1:07:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] translating from Spanish to English
Dialogue: 0,1:07:24.00,1:07:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to just understand what's going on
Dialogue: 0,1:07:26.00,1:07:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are tools
Dialogue: 0,1:07:28.00,1:07:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can be challenged on
Dialogue: 0,1:07:30.00,1:07:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are so many options
Dialogue: 0,1:07:32.00,1:07:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because once you've got one video
Dialogue: 0,1:07:35.00,1:07:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,synced with its transcripts
Dialogue: 0,1:07:37.00,1:07:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then all their tools work on it
Dialogue: 0,1:07:40.00,1:07:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So - you know - whatever they do
Dialogue: 0,1:07:44.00,1:07:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't have to use them
Dialogue: 0,1:07:45.00,1:07:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can if you want
Dialogue: 0,1:07:47.00,1:07:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] I wanted just to say something
Dialogue: 0,1:07:49.00,1:07:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about translating.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:50.00,1:07:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, Amara has a feature
Dialogue: 0,1:07:53.00,1:07:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says "Translate with Bing"
Dialogue: 0,1:07:56.00,1:08:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's probably the worst thing
Dialogue: 0,1:08:00.00,1:08:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can do if you are
Dialogue: 0,1:08:02.00,1:08:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,translating together with other people.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:05.00,1:08:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really idiotic
Dialogue: 0,1:08:08.00,1:08:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean - if a video has subtitles on Youtube
Dialogue: 0,1:08:14.00,1:08:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can get, as a viewer,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:17.00,1:08:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can get the automatic translation
Dialogue: 0,1:08:20.00,1:08:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the existing subtitles, ok?
Dialogue: 0,1:08:23.00,1:08:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just click on the CC thing
Dialogue: 0,1:08:26.00,1:08:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a list of languages
Dialogue: 0,1:08:28.00,1:08:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have Translate Beta
Dialogue: 0,1:08:30.00,1:08:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you get your Google translation
Dialogue: 0,1:08:33.00,1:08:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of [check] subtitles
Dialogue: 0,1:08:35.00,1:08:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you have asked for them as a viewer
Dialogue: 0,1:08:36.00,1:08:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a publisher, as a whatever
Dialogue: 0,1:08:40.00,1:08:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't force that sort of thing onto
Dialogue: 0,1:08:43.00,1:08:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people as it were a translation
Dialogue: 0,1:08:47.00,1:08:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what I have tried long to
Dialogue: 0,1:08:50.00,1:08:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,convince Amara to withdraw this feature but
Dialogue: 0,1:08:52.00,1:08:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they find some people who want this
Dialogue: 0,1:08:54.00,1:08:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, ok, we have it
Dialogue: 0,1:08:56.00,1:08:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but don't choose it, please.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:59.00,1:09:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I'm going to have to step out
Dialogue: 0,1:09:02.00,1:09:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got some cases I should do to prepare
Dialogue: 0,1:09:05.00,1:09:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for my vacation
Dialogue: 0,1:09:07.00,1:09:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check]
Dialogue: 0,1:09:08.00,1:09:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Monday
Dialogue: 0,1:09:09.00,1:09:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Where are you going, Vance?
Dialogue: 0,1:09:11.00,1:09:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I'm going to [check] valley with my wife and son on Sunday
Dialogue: 0,1:09:13.00,1:09:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we're going to Commodo very quickly
Dialogue: 0,1:09:16.00,1:09:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check]
Dialogue: 0,1:09:18.00,1:09:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Is that of dragons?
Dialogue: 0,1:09:19.00,1:09:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yeah
Dialogue: 0,1:09:21.00,1:09:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Very cool!
Dialogue: 0,1:09:22.00,1:09:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] It isn't diving
Dialogue: 0,1:09:23.00,1:09:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Have a great time!
Dialogue: 0,1:09:25.00,1:09:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] voices overlap
Dialogue: 0,1:09:32.00,1:09:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] I've got a lot of space in my suitcase
Dialogue: 0,1:09:34.00,1:09:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, it was very nice of everyone of you to come
Dialogue: 0,1:09:38.00,1:09:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and populate this event
Dialogue: 0,1:09:42.00,1:09:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cristina, Andreas, Benjamin is here
Dialogue: 0,1:09:47.00,1:09:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Claude of course
Dialogue: 0,1:09:50.00,1:09:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Diana
Dialogue: 0,1:09:51.00,1:09:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and [check] came from Ukraine and she has been
Dialogue: 0,1:09:54.00,1:09:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here all the time
Dialogue: 0,1:09:56.00,1:10:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] is the wall that we see there
Dialogue: 0,1:10:00.00,1:10:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he did try to come
Dialogue: 0,1:10:01.00,1:10:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Nina
Dialogue: 0,1:10:03.00,1:10:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and myself.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:04.00,1:10:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's nine of us so there was room in the chat
Dialogue: 0,1:10:06.00,1:10:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lucia had to leave because of connectively
Dialogue: 0,1:10:09.00,1:10:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problems to hang up
Dialogue: 0,1:10:11.00,1:10:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she's still there
Dialogue: 0,1:10:13.00,1:10:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I even think I see a J.L. who might
Dialogue: 0,1:10:15.00,1:10:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even see us in the stream from the etherpad chat window
Dialogue: 0,1:10:20.00,1:10:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got to teach people how to put
Dialogue: 0,1:10:23.00,1:10:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your name there
Dialogue: 0,1:10:25.00,1:10:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyway there are some screenshots
Dialogue: 0,1:10:26.00,1:10:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you are interested you can
Dialogue: 0,1:10:28.00,1:10:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,open a sort of screencast and see how to use that
Dialogue: 0,1:10:31.00,1:10:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,etherpad tool
Dialogue: 0,1:10:33.00,1:10:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we won't do that now
Dialogue: 0,1:10:35.00,1:10:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, this is a Learning Together event
Dialogue: 0,1:10:39.00,1:10:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the 14th of July 2013
Dialogue: 0,1:10:41.00,1:10:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've been talking with Claude and Lucia
Dialogue: 0,1:10:45.00,1:10:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have been doing this work on
Dialogue: 0,1:10:49.00,1:10:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amara.org and showing us
Dialogue: 0,1:10:51.00,1:10:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] open source tool
Dialogue: 0,1:10:53.00,1:10:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've been talking about the possibilities for it
Dialogue: 0,1:10:57.00,1:10:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and next week Benjamin is going to
Dialogue: 0,1:10:59.00,1:11:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bring his community
Dialogue: 0,1:11:01.00,1:11:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Teachers, most [check] interested in
Dialogue: 0,1:11:06.00,1:11:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's TILL tell us about it
Dialogue: 0,1:11:10.00,1:11:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Benjamin]Hi, it's an acronym which stands for Teachers for Interactive Language Learning
Dialogue: 0,1:11:15.00,1:11:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's just a community that I set up
Dialogue: 0,1:11:17.00,1:11:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and next week we'll be talking about
Dialogue: 0,1:11:20.00,1:11:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gamification, virtual classrooms,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:21.00,1:11:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically games and language learning
Dialogue: 0,1:11:24.00,1:11:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so [check] is interested in partecipating
Dialogue: 0,1:11:27.00,1:11:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who [check] and shares experiences and ideas on the matter
Dialogue: 0,1:11:31.00,1:11:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have included link in the chat
Dialogue: 0,1:11:33.00,1:11:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you can check out
Dialogue: 0,1:11:36.00,1:11:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the event that I created
Dialogue: 0,1:11:38.00,1:11:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so ....Yeah
Dialogue: 0,1:11:40.00,1:11:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd love to have you
Dialogue: 0,1:11:41.00,1:11:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyone who is interested and
Dialogue: 0,1:11:43.00,1:11:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partecipate in the discussion
Dialogue: 0,1:11:44.00,1:11:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Same time, Benjamin?
Dialogue: 0,1:11:46.00,1:11:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will it be same time as today?
Dialogue: 0,1:11:49.00,1:11:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[voices overlap] same time, yes
Dialogue: 0,1:11:54.00,1:11:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Ok. And also, as I know [check] event
Dialogue: 0,1:11:56.00,1:11:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from where [check] wifi
Dialogue: 0,1:11:58.00,1:12:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be an easy matter for me just to
Dialogue: 0,1:12:01.00,1:12:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just transcript them to the learning 2gether pbworks.com page
Dialogue: 0,1:12:04.00,1:12:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that will keep track of what's going on
Dialogue: 0,1:12:07.00,1:12:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are a couple of Sundays and Mondays
Dialogue: 0,1:12:10.00,1:12:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are still open if someone of you would like to
Dialogue: 0,1:12:11.00,1:12:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a session, you can start a discussion
Dialogue: 0,1:12:15.00,1:12:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Benjamin, is probably happy to do it
Dialogue: 0,1:12:16.00,1:12:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check]
Dialogue: 0,1:12:18.00,1:12:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] A Goggle doc
Dialogue: 0,1:12:22.00,1:12:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I've got linked somewhere
Dialogue: 0,1:12:25.00,1:12:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from all our spaces.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:26.00,1:12:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, you can try it
Dialogue: 0,1:12:29.00,1:12:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you look hard
Dialogue: 0,1:12:32.00,1:12:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] ok
Dialogue: 0,1:12:33.00,1:12:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] But there's a document where you can write the
Dialogue: 0,1:12:37.00,1:12:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anybody can go to and write any suggestions
Dialogue: 0,1:12:39.00,1:12:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for events or topics you would like to discuss.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:40.00,1:12:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, that's a way of keeping
Dialogue: 0,1:12:42.00,1:12:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this [check] going over the summer and
Dialogue: 0,1:12:43.00,1:12:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm certainly glad that Benjamin
Dialogue: 0,1:12:45.00,1:12:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stepped in and offer to do something there.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:47.00,1:12:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if anybody else wants to grab
Dialogue: 0,1:12:50.00,1:12:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ball might get [check] off backwards
Dialogue: 0,1:12:53.00,1:12:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pass after next week, so...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:56.00,1:12:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] what he can
Dialogue: 0,1:12:58.00,1:13:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[check] and everybody was listening
Dialogue: 0,1:13:01.00,1:13:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the audio from this
Dialogue: 0,1:13:02.00,1:13:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the podcast because I make an mp3 recording
Dialogue: 0,1:13:05.00,1:13:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Youtube video and
Dialogue: 0,1:13:08.00,1:13:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I post that on Learning 2gether.net.archive
Dialogue: 0,1:13:11.00,1:13:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will store this
Dialogue: 0,1:13:13.00,1:13:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's how Learning 2gether works
Dialogue: 0,1:13:16.00,1:13:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] Thank you all
Dialogue: 0,1:13:19.00,1:13:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Ok, thanks very much
Dialogue: 0,1:13:20.00,1:13:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Thanks, Claude
Dialogue: 0,1:13:22.00,1:13:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Cristina] Thank you very much
Dialogue: 0,1:13:24.00,1:13:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Claude] And I must explore Instreamia beyond prejudices. Thank you very much
Dialogue: 0,1:13:33.00,1:13:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nina] Ciao!
Dialogue: 0,1:13:35.00,1:13:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Vance] Yeah! Have a look! Ok! Bye bye!