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[Vance Stevens] Posting posting

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Ah, here we are: we're there.

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With - this is learning 2gether, another episode of learning together,

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and this is the 14th of July.

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Happy independence day to any French we have listening.

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And of course the could be listening, if not live, on the stream.

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Well, they're not in the hangout, probably but we --

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let's see, we also, we have recordings.

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So you might be listening on the recording.

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So this is July 14, 2013.

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We're going to have a discussion today about Amara, amara.org,

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which is a little captioning, or what do you call them?,

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a - little tag at the bottom: transcribes the lyrics for you,

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or you transcribe the lyrics and it helps you make lyrics to media.

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So we're going to find out what kind of media you can use and possibly some alternatives

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that might -- that some of us have been playing with it.

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I was playing with it earlier today and I found it really easy to use.

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And so, it's just an interesting tool I--

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we got interested in it because Claude and Lucia - and I think that's Lucia I recognized a little ago:

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Hi Lucia. She's just joined us. Your name just came up.

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She did a lot of work transcribing our last MOOC session that we had.

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And so we've got recording of that, MP3 recordings, YouTube recordings and also now, this transcription,

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which has been a little bit cleaned up through crowdsourcing.

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So, welcome everybody. Maybe we can go round and have people introduce themselves

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and say who's here.

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Test your mike.

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[Nina Liakos] So, being to your right, I will --
[Vance] There you are

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[Nina]--introduce myself: my name is Nina Liakos.

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I'm experimenting with my lower third and unable to move my flag from right to left.

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[Vance] No, it's just right: you're looking out to it
[Nina] Oh, I'm looking at [inaudible]

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[Vance] We're looking into it.

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[Nina] OK then, all right
[Vance] Yeah, yeah.

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[Nina] Does it say were I work?

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I tried to put that.
[Vance] Maryland English Institute...

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[Nina] Yeah! It worked! And what's a preset?

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[Vance] A preset? I don't know.

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[Nina] It's telling me "Please enter a name for your preset first." Anyway: no matter.

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[Benjamin Stewart] You can now [check]

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Sorry: I was going to answer the question.

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The preset is just a way that you can actually set your lower third.

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So, you might have several lower thirds, depending on the type of interaction and community

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that you are participating in.

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And so, it's just a way to say this.

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[Nina] All right, thank you.

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So, yes, in addition to working there, I am also a WebHead

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and this year I'm the lead coordinator for the Electronic Village Online

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and trying to spread the word.

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The Call for Proposals is out and we'd love to have some of you guys put in proposals

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or participate, or both.

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And I'm outside Washington DC.
[Vance] EVO sessions --

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[Vance] evosessions.pbworks.com [check]

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[Vance] I've put the link in the text chat.
[Nina] Yes, thank you.

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I'm also trying to get out of my hangout toolbars

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I will mute my mike.

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[Vance] Just click on the chat tool and it will put it over there [check]

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Ok! So next over is Lucia I believe

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I recall from the text chat that I just helped transcribe

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that Lucia was having trouble getting her mike going

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so you have to unmute yourself.

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Have you - is your mike working, Lucia?

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Maybe she doesn't....

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Can you hear us?

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[Claude] She said she had problems with the audio now,

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[Claude] in the chat.
[Vance] Ah, ok! Let's come back to...Oh,no! There she is!

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Maybe she's got it now. Lucia, Can you hear us?

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Maybe... Shall we move to Diana?

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And then we'll come back to Lucia.

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[Diana] Hallo everyone! I'm a newbie here, and I'm very happy to be here with you.

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So I'm the tutor of English from Ukraine

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and, well, I'm trying when I have just some time off my job I have

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well, you know, I have joined several groups and tried to learn new things

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which I really loved to do.

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So Life Long Learning: this is my motto.

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So, I'm learning!

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[Vance] Good ! Do you know Lena [check]?

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[Vance] Are you calling [check] sorry?
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[Vance] Oh, OK, well, she is ... somebody who joins us from Ukraine every now and then.

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[Diana] Ok, no, I don't know her.

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[Vance] Ok! Claude? (5:05)

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[Claude] I'm Claude Almansi and I started using subtitling tools, sort of 7 years ago.

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And I was immediatel fascinated by the possibility for education.

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I mean, subtitling is first and foremost for including deaf people,

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but as soon as I saw how it worked, I thought what a good thing for education.

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And I'll try to present some of the things we can do with subtitling tools in schools.

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[Vance] OK. Next over is Benamin Stewart who has --

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I'm going on vacation after this week, and Benjamin is stepping in next week

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to try to help keep Learning 2gether moving forward,

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and any volunteers who want to come forward in the next couple of weeks,

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we have -- Benjamin has actually set up a Google Doc for that,

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so you can enter your name there, or you can also write on the wiki.

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[Benajamin] Sure, and I'll try to include that link a little bit later

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for those of you who are either watching this recording, or --

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for those who wish to be participating in the coming weeks, in your absence, Vance,

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and I'm an American, and I live in Aguascalientes, Mexico,

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and I teach free service English teachers at the public university here

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and I have my website here and if you want to know a little bit more,

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I'll include the link here in my lower third.

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So, I'm happy to be here and look forward to learning more about Amara.

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[Vance] And that jo on the far end is Andreas. Andreas, nice to see you. How are you?

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[Andreas Formiconi] Hello. I'm fine, thank you. Hello to everybodyy.

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Thank you, Vance.

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I'm here because Lucia is a student of mine in some sort of online courses I'm giving.

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Claude is claiming to be a student of mine too, actually she is a powerful co-worker.

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And I'm a physicist playing and hacking with education stuff since --

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I don't know, some 10 years, something like that.

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Now I was trying to deliver a cMOOC, connectivist MOOC, last three months,

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and now I'm experimenting something different.

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So that's why I'm here. Thank you, Vance.

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[Vance] Yeah! What a nice MOOC it was, apparently,

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And well, OK, when we get Lucia back -- it looks like she has gone after some missing devices.

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But anyway, Claude, did you want to tell us a little bit about Amara?

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[Claude] Yes. Amara was first called Universal Subtitles

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because they are not the same for English English people and for English American people.

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to make them in another language.

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and the great advantage of it, and Lucia will be able to testify to that,

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is that it is extremely simple to use.

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You just transcribe what you hear,

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And then we can speak also of, say, alternative ways of using Amara after [inaudible: other voice overlapping] (10:24)

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[off voice] It's not taking it.

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[Vance] I'll see if...
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[Vance] Elaine here, OK?

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It might have worked. All right, OK

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She's trying to set herself up, obviously, getting some help.

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That's Elaine Marshall, and also Ana Cristina Pratas has just joined us.

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Is your mike working, Ana Cristina?

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[Ana Cristina] I think it's working now, can you hear me?

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[Vance] Yes, we can, Ana, OK.

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[Ana Cristina] Good evening everybody, from Al Ain in the UA.

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Thank you very much, Vance and everybody.

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[Claude] Yes, I've even used it to translate text.

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[Vance] Now, to make the text file, you have to do it yourself

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[Claude - laughs] Sometimes - sometime, Vance
[Vance .... it is junk]

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I think I have some pretty funny ones in some of Andreas' own videos, actually,

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but I can't remember them offhand.

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this will completely change subtitling,

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because it's improving really all the time, the automatic [voice] recognition.

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[Vance] Just a quick word to Lucia, who is in the stream.

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Maybe Lowan [check] is there too: Lowan Dahaha [check] has been popping in and out.

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Right now we have 8 people in the hangout and there should be room for 10.

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So its' just an announcement in case you're listening on the stream:

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you should be able to get in if you act fast on this.

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One time offer [laughs]

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OK. Are there any questions for Claude at this point or--?

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the work in progress yesterday.

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[Nina] I joined Amara and I'm afraid
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[Vance] That's better.
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[Nina] I have raised it to eat my apple.

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So yesterday I was looking at the video that's not a video with Vance and you all.

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I couldn't manage to do anything with it.

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Anyway, so, that was my experience and I wonder if you could comment on that.

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perhaps not right now, on how to do that.

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[Claude] to do things to your account.
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[Claude] and then you can revoke the authorization.

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Then you will still be landed with the link that Amara has put on your videos,

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[Nina] What will it have put on all my videos?

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[Claude] Something saying: "Help us caption this video at..."

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[Nina] Actually, most of my videos are private, so it wouldn't make any difference anyway.

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[Claude] Ah, then you mustn't worry about that.

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as Andreas has done with several of the videos that we subtitled in the L--

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And unless you have thousands of videos, like, say, TED conferences,

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it really doesn't make sense to [inaudible: have subtitles fed automatically to your videos]

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[Claude] You know the Gangnam Style video by PSY?
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[Claude] Yeah, well, just before Xmas, someone vandalized the Spanish subtitles of that on Amara

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really vulgarly. I mean, I'm no prude, but that was really very vulgar.

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extremely vulgar subtitles would have gone directly on his YouTube video --

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with almost, back then a milliard, now - sorry: a billion - now certainly a billion views.

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what is getting back to their YouTube videos, I'd be very grateful, because there are too --

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[Nina] Yeah, it makes me not actually - it makes me kind of reluctant to participate in this.

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It seems like we shouldn't be able to -- to change people's videos on YouTube.

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I mean, maybe you can make a new one with subtitles,

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[Claude] Exactly. That's really one of the issues: it's an issue --

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and also there is an issue, vice versa,

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of people not knowing that their subtitles are going directly to YouTube.

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Of course, people can download them and add them.

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you can go to the person and say: "Hey, please say I've done the subtitles" or something.

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There's a communication.

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... I didn't even know you had stuff and subtitles and things, the subtitles just arrived.

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But - sorry: I think this is a very important issue and I've been very sanguine about it on the help forum,

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You mentioned [inaudible] Nina?

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[Nina] Yes. I'm sorry, you're kind of alternately freezing and I didn't get the question.

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[Claude] No - you had a problem with editing subtitles.

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[Nina] I wasn't able to edit anything.

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[Claude] The one you...
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[Claude] On the subtitle page, did you see the Edit link, on top right?

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[Vance] Yeah, there's a tab. It's an Edit tab.

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[Nina] I think I did. Let me go back and look at what I was looking at.

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[Vance] That lets you in, and then I think I didn't understand, there are three choices,

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one is cancel, discard and something else

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and I pressed something else, and it said "Are you just playing around? If so, please discard."

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[Vance] So that was just a...

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[Claude] Oh, you went through to the new editor, if you got that kind of message.

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[Vance] Oh? OK. Well, anyway, it was quite simple.

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[people talking together]

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[Benjamin] Yeah, I had a problem - oh, go ahead, Nina, sorry.

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[Nina] This is - that link is where I was and

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let's see, I'm trying to - because I clicked on English to view subtitles

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[Claude] and on top of the English page, you should have seen Edit - Edit subtitles.

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[Claude] Now, the link you gave is to the main page
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OK, here it goes.

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All right. So, what I see at the top is: Subtitles Comments Revisions, and then

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higher than that, it's Subtitle videos Watch Volunteer Pro Services Help.

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[Claude] No no no, sorry.
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I see it, I see it. OK.

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And "Somebody else is currently editing, so please wait and try again later."

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OK, yeah, I think I didn't - didn't see that tab. It was kind of grayed out.

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[Claude] Yes. [inaudible: I didn't know] that link to Stacy Weston's tutorial PDF

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which is actually much clearer because it's much better set up than

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[inaudible: the thing that we wrote in the piratepad]

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And if you want to try again, I'll try to get that link again.

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Oops - it (check)

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No, I can't.

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[Nina] Is it just happening to Claude's sound or is it everybody's sound that is sometimes...

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[Vance] Claude's sound. Yes, it's kind of, it's just getting a little tinny,

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it's obviously a bandwidth issue.

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So, carry on.

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[Nina] When that happens, I can't get anything.

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[Vance] Hm hm.

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[Vance] So Benjamin, you had a comment?

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[Benjamin] Yeah, a question actually.

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I understand that there is an automatic pause function or option.

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And yesterday I spent a few minutes trying to edit video, a YouTube video, to add some subtitles,

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and I was able to add the video and - but I started off trying to use the automatic pause -

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I don't remember exactly how it's labeled - function and I couldn't get that to work,

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so then I went to using just the Tab and the Shift Tab to play the video 4 seconds,

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or repeat the video, and that worked very well.

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So I was able to very quickly add subtitles using the Tab function.

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How is the automatic pause function supposed to work or --

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and should this work on all browsers?

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[Claude] I must say I tried the automatic function, what, 5 times, just hated it and never use it.

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I use, like you, the tab pause stopping and then restarting the video.

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And the 4-second one, the one for beginners, is quite good too,

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except that at times, 4 seconds end in the middle of a sentence.

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I used the advanced from the start [check]. I think that's the easiest one,

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even if they say that the automatic pause one is the best one.

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But I really dislike the automatic, because if you have a language issue, it won't stop when you want, etc.

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So I just skipped that one, I've never used that.

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I mean, except for trying at the very beginning.

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[Benjamin] I'm sorry, and how does the advanced function work? -- or feature?

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Exactly like the 4-second one, except that you don't have the 4-second pause:

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you only use your Tab to stop and restart, and you use Shift Tab to rewind.

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and sometimes, in fact, it's more than 8 seconds, actually.

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But it doesn't really matter. I mean that's, say, that's the weak point of the traditional editor.

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It's rewinding: it rewinds too much. Other editors have just 1-second rewind, which is much more sensible.

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But this changes with the new editor.

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And that's very sensible.

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That's the same thing you actually have -- in YouTube, you even have a subtitle editor

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and it works like that, and it's the same thing as well in other subtitling tools,

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where you can move from subtitle to subtitle.

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The most, the finest navigation tool, I think, is in DotSUB. I'll write that here. That's--

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[Benjamin] If I could ask you a second part to another problem I was having

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I was able to advance to next, well phase I guess: there are kind of 3 or 4 steps that are involved.

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I was able to to the syncing stage but I was not able to get the syncing to work at all.

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I couldn't figure it out [check], just in the few minutes I was trying to play around with it,

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it looks like you -- you play the video and there is a red kind of vertical line that progresses,

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that you choose where you want to insert the subtitle.

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Is that -- I guess it's working properly -- I'm assuming I just did something wrong.

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But could you explain a little bit how that works?

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[Claude] Yes, again, I'm going to speak about the editor that comes up normally,

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not the one you get to if you say you want to try the beta new editor,

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because the beta new editor is another kettle of fish. So let's stick to the main one.

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Yes. What you do when you want to sync, synchronize your transcript,

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Is that clear?

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[Benjamin] Err, yeah. I'll have to try, to experiment with this.

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It's kind of hard to see.

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[Claude] Yes. I have linked again Lucy Weston's tutorial, which is extremely good.

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And then DotSUB.com shouldn't be below that: that's another message I've added.

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But the "How to create captions using Amara" .pdf is really extremely good.

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[Benjamin] I don't suppose you have the link to--
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[Benjamin] a link to maybe a demonstration where it takes the viewer

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through the whole process of adding subtitles?

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[inaudible]

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[Claude] Yes in - I'd have to find the piratepad again, but in the piratepad thing,

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yes, I have the links also to the subtitled versions of the tutorials that do appear

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as you are using the tool.

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Didn't you see the video first?

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You know, before you started writing, didn't you see the video?

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It should have shown you a video.

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But anyway, as this is not always appearing, I've got that in the piratepad somewhere.

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I'll get the URL of the piratepad.

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[Nina] Yes, I just saw it and it's there.

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[Vance] I'm chatting with Lucia - let's see, there is the piratepad up here somewhere.

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I can't recognize its -- anyway we'll find it in a moment.

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But I'm chatting with Lucia and asked her.

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She said that when I subtitled, she got an e-mail with my revisions.

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So I asked her if you can revert Amara back to previous versions.

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She says yes, you can recover any version on Amara,

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so I suppose that's one answer to vandalism.

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"When you're listening you st -- and suddenly you start typing without touching the tab key:

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the audio stops automatically."

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So I don't know: it was an answer to one of your questions, Benjamin.

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Is that satisfactory?

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[Vance(?)] -- as I can't remember the question it was an answer to.

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[Claude] It was about automatic mode in transcribing.

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OK, then, if Lucia can do that, that's good. It's just that I find it very difficult to use.

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But I mean, you can try it: Lucia's description seems very convincing.

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[Nina] So I have another question:

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I like to use songs on YouTube and that's really great when I find songs with--

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where the subtitles are already done. But sometimes they're -- wrong.

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Or sometimes they're bad English or sometimes they have no capitalization or punctuation.

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So, with Amara, can I edit those subtitles?

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which, for me, God knows how?

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Or would I have to start again?

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[Claude] It depends what kind of subtitles they are.

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If you add the video to Amara, then the YouTube existing subtitles will be added to the Amara page

439
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and then you can edit them.

440
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[inaudible, repeated:] If they are burned in the video, then you have to recopy the thing,

441
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and then resync it and all that.

442
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:07,000
But there is a team on Amara, which is called Music Captioning, where we have actually lots of songs

443
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and what we do usually is that we find a YouTube video which doesn't have captions,

444
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then we find the captions somewhere else,

445
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because there are lots of songs

446
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000
that already have their captions somewhere else,
[note: I meant written lyrics, not captions; same in next ST]

447
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:27,000
and then we use the existing captions just by copy-pasting or by uploading them as transcript

448
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,000
and then we correct that and we sync that.

449
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And there is -- I don't know if any of you know Richard Gresswell?

450
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He teaches English in Bulgaria and he has a marvelous site

451
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- I think I mentioned it somewhere in the pad -

452
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with songs with subtitles and then under there, also activities

453
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that can be done with the songs and subtitles.

454
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And he uses Amara subtitling for that.

455
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And he is a member of the Music Captioning team.

456
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[Ana Cristina] I have a question, if I may.
[Claude] Sure.

457
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[Ana Cristina] Claude, initially you talked about some lexical gaps that sometimes happen

458
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and you gave the example of Spanish and Italian.

459
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I work in the Middle East and the script is different.

460
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I also teach online occasionally to Nepal, where the script is different again.

461
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Does Amara translate scripts which are non Roman scripts?

462
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,000
[Claude] Yes. Amara uses what is called UTF-8 encoding.

463
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So if a script has a UTF-8 encoding, it works.

464
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:03,000
So if you have -- you have for example three kinds of Chinese subtitles.

465
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And I don't know Chinese, so I don't know if the scripts also vary,

466
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but it's according to how literary or how [inaudible] the language is.

467
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You can have Japanese, you have Thai, you now have Urdu, which took a long time, you have Hindi.

468
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And yes: I'm not sure about Nepalese, I could --

469
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What you can do is check that by trying to translate some existing subtitles

470
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and you'll have all the languages.

471
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[Ana Cristina] Great: including Arabic? Everybody (check} including Arabic?

472
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000
[Claude] Yes.
[Ana Cristina] Wow, great.

473
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,000
[Claude] Yes, yes: Arabic, certainly.
[Ana Cristina] Thank you. [Claude] My pleasure.

474
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[Vance] I mentioned I've been playing with a tool called Instreamia

475
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and actually this is my experience of captioning

476
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and I'm trying to...

477
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because that's what I know I'm trying to put together

478
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000
the similarities between the two and

479
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Instreamia isn't open source.

480
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It produces opensource artefacts but it doesn't

481
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it's not something you can just [check]

482
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I [check] because I partecipated in a LCMOOC

483
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in which they told us everybody was on an

484
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Instreamia accounts for a year.

485
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
But anyway, I've been playing with it

486
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and Instreamia does a lot of things

487
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it has a [check] just beyond captioning

488
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but the captioning is the one I have been using most

489
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and I'm finding that sometimes I try to get a transcription

490
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of you tube videos and pull them in

491
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and, of course, you have to do...

492
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sometimes it does a lot of work for you

493
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and sometimes not much work at all.

494
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But it's quite [check]

495
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It's much better od course if you can do

496
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what you just suggested in, say

497
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use a music video, where you can go to lyrics

498
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a lyric site and get the lyrics there,

499
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then use those

500
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syncronize the lyrics

501
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but, anyhow... I'm just.... it's...

502
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So I know how that works

503
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you find...

504
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
it works only with youtube videos

505
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so the video has to be on youtube

506
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but it...

507
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the youtube itself isn't altering

508
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It plays in the Instreamia interface

509
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and captions come up

510
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below the video and like Amara you can edit

511
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those captions and you can change the syncronization

512
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also it does some [check] on them

513
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and allow and does some grammar, grammatical exercise

514
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some vocabulary work, and things like

515
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that [check]

516
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[Claude] Oh, and that's free!

517
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000
[Vance] Yeah, it's kind of [check] in that respect, but of course

518
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I [check] use that much, I...

519
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
It's very interesting if you

520
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
can go actually to Instreamia.com and you can

521
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explore some of the things, videos that the people put there

522
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because, in theory, that is open source

523
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:19,000
or better, it's open ...artefacts... open educational resources, let's put it that way,

524
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000
not open source, but they're open educational

525
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
resources that anyyone can go and play with it.

526
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
It's a lot of fun to go and find, say ,a Latin-Spanish

527
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:32,000
video that has a really exuberant singer and

528
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you really want to understand that

529
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and you can get translations and you can get

530
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those as you're listening

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00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
and it becomes a game to where

532
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you want to find a word

533
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000
a missing word from a choice of structures

534
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
[voices overlap]

535
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,000
[Claude] What I hadn't to [check] this [check]

536
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Instreamia will also prompt - I dont't

537
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,000
know what the technical word is - automatic captions from Youtube?

538
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000
[Vance] Ah, well no! It uses whatever is in Youtube

539
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000
you know, Youtube apparently tries to caption everything.

540
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000
There usually is a transcript, sometimes there is

541
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000
sometimes there isn't, but transcripts that you find there is usually

542
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
garbage, so, you know...

543
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:26,000
[Claude] Will it be possible to transcript because Amara doesn't do that

544
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,000
[Vance] Yes, it will! That's a nice thing about Instreamia

545
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
It actually uses your transcript. When it downloads the video

546
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
into Instreamia it downloads the transcript as well

547
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,000
and syncronizes it, so that's work done for you

548
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000
[Claude] [inaudible] Sorry, even the automatic

549
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000
transcript made by Youtube gets pulled to Instreamia?

550
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000
[Vance] That's it. Whatever is there.

551
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Whatever is there

552
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
[Claude] That's a difference with Amara.

553
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
With Amara you have to cheat a little bit

554
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
if you want automatic

555
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
you have to pretend that it's s not automatic

556
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,000
and save it as it were normal

557
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000
and then Amara will pump it

558
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,000
but normally Amara only pumps humanly subtitles from Youtube

559
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,000
[Vance] mmm, Yeah and sometimes

560
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,000
[Claude] I also, yeah, sorry.

561
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,000
[Vance] Oh well, sometimes subtitles will be closed caption

562
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,000
and sometimes will use it different systems to [check]

563
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,000
put some work into it and set up captions.

564
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000
[check] of different kinds.

565
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Sometimes you [check] attempt to...

566
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,000
you put a transcript over a recording

567
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
and sometimes it's fairly accurate,

568
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000
so that's very useful if you get one like that

569
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,000
and you just make a few changes

570
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,000
[voices overlap]

571
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,000
[Ana Cristina] I've just one question for Vance, sorry, it's very quickly

572
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Have you done these captions with gap-fills for students

573
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
or have you got the students to create

574
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000
the gap-fills for the video?

575
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,000
[Vance] Well, that's done automatically

576
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,000
I can...I'll put a link in the..., I can put a link here

577
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000
when I get a moment and

578
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
when you [check] you go to..

579
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000
the students go to my site [check] my

580
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,000
Instreamia account and then they have yo create

581
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,000
an account, which is very simple

582
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,000
[Ana Cristina] mmm

583
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
[Vance] you just [check] the email address and password

584
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,000
and then you can see anything that's there in Instreamia

585
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
So I guess you need to make an account but [check]

586
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,000
an email address and a password and a username.

587
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,000
But then you get the whole field,

588
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,000
but I can give the link to mine, so you can see what's done

589
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
but it basically does

590
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it makes about 10 or 15 different exercise types

591
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,000
automatically based on natural language processing

592
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
[check]

593
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
As a very interesting product it doesn't work all that

594
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,000
smoothly at the moment, but the concept is really interesting.

595
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
And I wrote an article about it

596
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
[check]

597
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
that links it in the Piratepad

598
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,000
[Ana Cristina] Great! Thank you, thank you!

599
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:19,000
[Claude] And, Vance, can it use also downloads of subtitles as with Amara or not?

600
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:25,000
[Vance] I don't think, no, I dont't think so

601
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000
I don't know people you can copy-paste

602
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,000
That it sort comes one at a time

603
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
I think once it's in Amara you can use it

604
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,000
but there is not much you can really get out of it, so...

605
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000
[Claude] But I mean in Instreamia, in Instreamia

606
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000
[Vance] Ah Instreamia! I meant it in Instreamia

607
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,000
[Claude] also [voices overlap]

608
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Because that's for me the really big advantage of tools like Amara

609
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,000
which is the one this is about, but also Dot.sub or

610
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Subtitle-horse and I love Subtitle-horse because

611
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,000
it's such a good name [46:00]

612
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,000
The great advantages are that the subtitles can be downloaded

613
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
and reused in other contexts. For example

614
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,000
once I subtitled a video about missing people in Pakistan

615
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:21,000
and I did that using this stuff and then I tried to convert to the time tools

616
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,000
by hand [CHECK]

617
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So I tried with several

618
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,000
[check] in the meantime

619
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,000
and most of them sort of said: 'No. it's buggy'

620
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,000
and one of them accepted and the [check] fixed subtitles.

621
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So that I was able to reuse them on the [check] platforms and that I think

622
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is really the great advantage of true

623
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Not only Amara. Amara is nice with [check]

624
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,000
free and open source software.

625
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:02,000
But of all those online subtitling sites that use open standard formats for download

626
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,000
I... you can download subtitles as [inaudible]

627
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,000
but you can also use .srt which is one of the formats of .spv

628
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:19,000
And now there's a new format where you can use on Youtube - which is called web vtt

629
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,000
and that's really fashinating because

630
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,000
soon you'll be able to use that for script

631
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,000
and audio description - you know, the description of things for the blind people

632
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,000
and then browsers, in a couple of years time probably, will be able to

633
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,000
do the vocal synthesis of that, so,

634
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:46,000
instead of having to do their expensive process of recording and order description,

635
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,000
inserting that in the video etc,

636
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,000
blind people will be able to switch that on and off

637
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000
and, if the description is too long, it would stop the video

638
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,000
while the description is read, and that's [check].

639
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And I think... For me it's not so much [check] beyond the video

640
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Yes, that's nice and that's important

641
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:15,000
but it's what you can do with the file that makes the subtitle here

642
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,000
that I find fashinating.

643
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And in fact in these sort of alternative uses I indicate [check]

644
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that, say, you could

645
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Say you have not this hangout which [check]

646
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to last one hour.

647
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But sometimes you have conferences and then people don't video record

648
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it and you have [CHECK] 3 hours

649
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,000
and they went back online

650
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,000
of course nobody is going to listen to a 3 hour-video

651
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and just [check]and there's always you know the glitches noise and so on

652
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,000
So, if you really want people to be able to use that

653
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,000
for the first step edit it, cut it and

654
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:02,000
digestible pieces and that you could do it with a subtitle tool

655
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,000
because you don't have to write subtitles because it's a a subtitle tool

656
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,000
you could [check] from there to there cut

657
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,000
and so on , and then you use that and you have all your time to

658
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000
[check] what you want to cut and what you want to keep

659
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,000
all you could have [check]

660
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
a video you haven't made yourself

661
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
but you want to do a [check] study on one hour to do.

662
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,000
That's very long for a student

663
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and then, you ask them not to do the whole subtitling which

664
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takes a lot of time, but use the tool to think

665
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,000
notes that sync with the video

666
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and that would be on it.

667
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000
I'm not trying to [CHECK]

668
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,000
What I mean is that a subtitling tool just allows you to show

669
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:56,000
text on a video at a given time and produces

670
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:02,000
a file where these indications are present

671
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,000
so you can use it for [check]

672
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provided that you can access the file downloaded

673
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and do things for it.

674
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[Vance][check] One of the interesting things about Instreamia

675
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is you can do things.

676
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If you want I can show you just briefly

677
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because I just happen to have on a screenshare

678
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[check] plays something really quickly and

679
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000
you can just sort see what it does.

680
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Let's see! Here we go.

681
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,000
What have I got here? Yep! [check]

682
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So I'll grab one of these items here

683
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Oh, my window's just changed

684
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000
I wouldn't do that

685
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Oh, no! It did! It has cut my email [check]

686
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Ok here we go on Instreamia. Let's begin

687
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ok [check], Don't open anything

688
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Ok, that's the url

689
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,000
I'm looking for the one with 'Space oddity': that's a nice one

690
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:17,000
This is the Canadian astronaut who [check] the space

691
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,000
and took the 'Space oddity' so I'll pick up this live listening exercise

692
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,000
and I don't know if you will hear anything

693
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,000
but it doesn't really matter: you know the song

694
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000
"Ground control to major Tom"

695
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,000
so what you can see here is it starts playing

696
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,000
I don't know if you can hear anything

697
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,000
no, I [check] on mute somehow

698
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,000
anyway ok

699
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,000
anyway you can see the

700
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000
you just see the

701
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
unfortunately's the intro there

702
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,000
but when it says "Ground control to major Tom"

703
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,000
then you start see gaps appear

704
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
so now it says

705
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
"Ground control to major Tom"

706
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000
and then repeat that

707
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,000
and it jumps down to the next one

708
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Now, when it goes to the next one

709
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
there's a gap

710
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,000
ok so now you get a [check] but it stops

711
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,000
so if, to get the song to keep playing

712
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,000
you have to choose on

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00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,000
and then it resumes and you get the next one

714
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000
So, ok, I would stop that

715
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
it actually [check] here because ...ok

716
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,000
[Nina] That's kind of complicated

717
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,000
[Vance]You know, the interesting here is that

718
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000
complicated is what it does

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00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,000
but it's not complicated what you do.

720
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,000
What you do is just put the

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00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,000
just [voices overlap] video and then, yeah,

722
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,000
no, you don't have to do that: it does it!

723
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:04,000
The software does it. So that actually would be something that... if Amara [check] open source

724
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,000
I wouldn't be surprised they've used some Amara

725
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
tools and their work.

726
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Is it all open source?

727
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000
[Claude] Yes, it is.

728
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,000
[Vance] Yes, ok. But...

729
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,000
[Claude] Yes, it is. But the thing of making the video go forward when you add something

730
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:26,000
in it, Coursera [check] also have that in their videos, except that - you know -

731
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000
the video will go

732
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,000
will go ahead to the point point

733
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,000
We'll see a little yellow sign

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00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,000
[?] Yes

735
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
[Claude] ...on the subtitles and that's why you

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00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000
have questions and [check]

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00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,000
in the middle of the video

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00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000
[?] Right! I was wondering how they do that! It's good!

739
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:49,000
[Claude] In the same way as Instreamia, I think!

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00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,000
[?] Makes the video interactive

741
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,000
[Claude] and personally ... Sorry, I'm not breaking rules

742
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,000
I think that there's a time for everything.

743
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:08,000
First, I mean, you have a lecture. I didn't [check]

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for digital signal processing, which is really

745
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,000
cheecky because I just sort of script through my

746
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,000
[check] school exams in Maths and they requested

747
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:22,000
high calculus [inaudible]

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00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,000
but, so, I [inaudible]

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But, if I had

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00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:37,000
if I had to stop answering questions when I was listening to that sort of

751
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:43,000
very recognizable logic of the people who are [check]

752
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,000
about what you did to digital

753
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,000
[check]

754
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000
in such a way, I have been [check] so maybe...

755
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,000
I think, I think it's better to have the video

756
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000
you understand the video

757
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,000
you work on the video

758
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,000
you do [check] on the video

759
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,000
you can take notes on it

760
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,000
and then you have the text.

761
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,000
It's already done [check]

762
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,000
correctness of subtitles in the video,

763
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,000
also take notes on video.

764
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,000
You don't have to add a text in the middle of that!

765
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I don't know...[check]perhaps I'm no digital [check], I'm afraid.

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00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,000
[Vance] Yeah, there are so many ways to do it, but it's really interesting to find

767
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that all of these companies automated something that - you know -

768
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you can choose from the tools and


769
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
what you're talking about to

770
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
whatever you're talking about [check] to put text in the middle


771
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I'm not having a text in the middle or - you know -

772
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,000
if you can find a script that will make that easier for you to deliver


773
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you know, that's nice but it's a bit [check] you know - that

774
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,000
you know - that can be very useful.

775
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,000
[Claude] Yeah, but I mean...

776
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:53,000
I come from Andreas CMOOC where it's really learned centred

777
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:00,000
So, if you [inaudible] already a restriction of

778
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,000
what learners can do with a video [inaudible] and it's better to have the students

779
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:14,000
[inaudible]

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00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,000
I stop that.

781
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Scripting things.

782
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:27,000
Scripting things, scripting all the descriptions, scripting [check], scripting misheard subtitles.

783
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,000
That can be very funny to do.


784
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,000
You can suggest those activities and then the students will

785
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000
find their own way on explore tools.

786
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,000
The potential of syncing a text with a video

787
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,000
I think that if you have

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00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,000
I mean, if they can skip the text, that's fine

789
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,000
[check]they can ignore it, but the [check]

790
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,000
they should be able to enter the editing

791
00:56:53,000 --> 00:57:01,000
to download the syncs and do all sort of [check] things with the [check]

792
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:07,000
[Ana Cristina] I just want to thank you both because I think

793
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Amara is great for the students' education if you are teaching online

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00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:21,000
where personally I think I would like - and I will hopefully use Instreamia in the

795
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:28,000
classroom. I think it's great to have the students to create their own

796
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,000
gap fills for a song.

797
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:36,000

I don't know in my context whether I could get them to use Amara


798
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,000
but definitely for online course with more adult learners

799
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:47,000
because that's.... let's say - I think - very student centred.

800
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:56,000
[Vance] And this is... put me in mind of the - you know - a lot of work that's gone in video

801
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000
you [check] to do is video


802
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,000
but [check] of it


803
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,000
I'll just put a link in the etherpad text chat

804
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,000
to an article about [check] and then

805
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,000
what they were doing was recreating tools

806
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,000
where you could play videos and news broadcast

807
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,000
in German let's say and you could turn these

808
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000
the subtitles, because they had closed captions

809
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,000
at that time you can turn those on or off if you...

810
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,000
you can play the video with or without the subtitles

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00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000
or see the subtitles or see the translation.

812
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000
So you have different choices

813
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,000
And sometimes I even see this in my class

814
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,000
when my students watch videos.

815
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,000
sometimes, though, choose videos with [check] subtitles

816
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,000
and sometimes they turn these off

817
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,000
and sometimes they have subtitles in English

818
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,000
with those [check] something in English and it has

819
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,000
a subtitle

820
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,000
Sometimes they listen, watch a [check]film in Japanese

821
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,000
that doesn't have the subtitle, you know, so

822
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,000
[Nina] That's quite [voices overlap]

823
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,000
[Vance] They're choosing - you know -how the modality

824
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,000
that they want to experience this video

825
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
and giving the choice to the students is -

826
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,000
as you said - it's student centred - you know

827
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,000
this is ...[check] from the tools

828
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,000
that will give students different choices

829
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,000
for getting at the language in the video can have...that's ...

830
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
and actually let them learn for themselves

831
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,000
some of the language that's there

832
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,000
that's really valuable

833
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,000
and captioning is the real key of this - you know -

834
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,000
which is why Amara is so important

835
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,000
and why this [check] is so important.

836
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,000
[Claude] Now, a few things I would like to mention still

837
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On Youtube now it's possible also to have

838
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,000
a twitter stream appearing as a closed caption

839
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,000
I haven't yet really studied them,

840
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,000
but this is really fashinating

841
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,000
You have a Youtube stream video

842
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,000
[check] are presumably producing now

843
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,000
and you see appearing as

844
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:09,000
a live, a stream tool [check] about the video

845
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,000
and that I really find fashinating

846
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,000
and I want to come back to the...

847
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,000
to the learning [check] caption text

848
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,000
some of which is not closed caption text

849
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,000
It does produce text

850
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
but it is not a text that is available

851
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000
to everyone but which is also

852
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,000
fashinating. It's same language captioning

853
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,000
and the idea started in India

854
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Professors decided that as everybody

855
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,000
loved Bollywood songs

856
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:42,000
if TV started showing them with karaoke type captions,

857
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,000
people would learn to read without a notice [check]

858
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,000
not learning but keep their reading ability

859
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000
That's working very well

860
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,000
Then there's a [check] professor who teaches English

861
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,000
to students with reading difficulties

862
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:04,000
And he makes them make the karaoke subtitles

863
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,000
and they've done that on Shakespeare

864
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,000
they've done that on songs

865
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,000
they've done that on the Bible and anything.

866
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000
They did the recording from the internet

867
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,000
archive because you have a lot of books

868
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,000
that are read aloud and have a text as well

869
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,000
and then, I don't know

870
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,000
how they do it because I tried it

871
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,000
I go bunkers because it means such a concentration

872
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:31,000
but...you sort of tap the space bar everytime you

873
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:36,000
want the new word to appear in the karaoke caption

874
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,000
and really the students who have reading problems

875
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,000
they made the most beautiful videos

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01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,000
They also use a bouncing ball

877
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,000
and that's crazy because you have

878
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,000
to tap each syllable so that the ball bounces on them

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,000
and I think that's really something worth

880
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:01,000
exploring, same language subtitling

881
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,000
[Vance] Yeah, and also get in your students to do it

882
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,000
[Claude] Yeah, exactly

883
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,000
[Vance] I think it's so important also to work with

884
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,000
short items if you can... I get them - you know -

885
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,000
you shouldn't get long movies

886
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,000
they're really difficult

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01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,000
you know...

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[Nina] one minute videos

889
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,000
[Vance] Yeah, those...


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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,000
[voices overlap]

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[Claude] because when you start within a tool

892
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,000
even a tool like Amara which is extremely simple

893
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:39,000
I mean, Andreas and I started on some [check] video in dot.sub

894
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,000
and I remember we had moments when just

895
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:48,000
we sort of just exited because just simply finger [coverance? check]

896
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,000
and getting the syncing done is done a little bit differently on Dot.sub

897
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,000
yeah, very [check]; a manually student [check]

898
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,000
the manual dexterity

899
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,000
So it's good to start with very short things

900
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,000
because I remember my first [check] captioning

901
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,000
it could have taken me sort of 10 minutes to get

902
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,000
20 seconds of video subtitle.

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01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,000
And so, yes, don't tell them to do [check]

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:24,000
although it's much easier on Amara than on other platrforms

905
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,000
because you can do that collaboratively.

906
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,000
As we deal it with Lucia:

907
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,000
she transcribed and I synced

908
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,000
and she... we did that as we went along.

909
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,000
[Vance] What we have done was the video we've

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01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,000
just spoken on for the itis13

911
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,000
[Claude] Yes, that's the one

912
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,000
[Vance] [inaudible] Yeah

913
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,000
[Claude] But also we did them into someone's else

914
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:56,000
something on a documentary about Pompei

915
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,000
He...a lot of titling was

916
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,000
from an Indonesian ad

917
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:07,000
He was interested also for theological reasons: he is a muslim

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01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,000
but he was interested in Pompei

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01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,000
as an example of god punishing men...

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,000
people, though, humanity

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01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,000
Anyway, we started.

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01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,000
I have been to Pompei, he hadn't

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01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:25,000
so I was [check] actor who did doctor Spock

924
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,000
in Star Trek - they [check]

925
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,000
Anyway I would

926
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,000
I would transcribe

927
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,000
At the end I would put the

928
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,000
[check]

929
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,000
I said: 'Look! You don't have to do that

930
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,000
because we don't have to do it as Amara says.

931
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,000
You don't have to do all the transcripts

932
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,000
and then captions

933
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,000
and then syncronize.

934
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,000
You can transcribe and then

935
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,000
you start syncronize

936
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,000
and then you go on transcribing: it works, too!'

937
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,000
And that's sort of [check] that's important

938
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,000
because it isn't as far as [check] discouraging

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you can already see some subtitles

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appear before you [check]

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And that's a sort of thing that people

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find on their own - I mean -

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When we did the activity for

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with lt13

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there were two big bugs I think on Amara

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while a lot of people were starting to

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subtitle

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They were totally unfaced

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I have never known people who [check]

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sort of losing it when the bug starts.

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They just went along

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They found alternative ways to go on working

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and it is [check] to do that a few

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have [check]

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Right too much serious about how it works.

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I think what we helped them

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sort of sails through this big bug...was that

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Oh well, oh!

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That isn't looking as it shouldn't look!

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So what can I do?

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And they found [check]

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Because Amara is still extremely simple

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in its concepts

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That's what makes me slightly...

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I must try Instreamia

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but I sort was [check] to


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doing too many things at a time

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[Vance] [voices overlap] and try to learn a language

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because I just find it really compelling

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what sucked me into it

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was doing it in Spanish

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and playing the videos and my

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you know - my [check] whatever [check]

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and theories

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was just drawing me into it

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and those guys saying in their interviews and in their

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lectures that there really challenge [check] material

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as though they run mooc like courses

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for language learners

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and they're always forgetting feed-back

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from either the English teachers or

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working with or their language learners

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and they're just finding that

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they're very challenged to keep content coming

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because students [check] of that sort

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So, I don't know, it is...just try

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If it appeals, you know,

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the idea I think it would be

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to get so many tools [check]

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[check] them like they are translation tools

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[check] awful

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[check] translating from Spanish to English

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but to just understand what's going on

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there are tools

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that you can be challenged on

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So there are so many options

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because once you've got one video

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synced with its transcripts

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then all their tools work on it

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So - you know - whatever they do

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you don't have to use them

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you can if you want

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[Claude] I wanted just to say something

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about translating.

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Unfortunately, Amara has a feature

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that says "Translate with Bing"

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and it's probably the worst thing

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you can do if you are

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translating together with other people.

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It's really idiotic

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I mean - if a video has subtitles on Youtube

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you can get, as a viewer,

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you can get the automatic translation

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of the existing subtitles, ok?

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you just click on the CC thing

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you have a list of languages

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and you have Translate Beta

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and you get your Google translation

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of [check] subtitles

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but you have asked for them as a viewer

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as a publisher, as a whatever

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you can't force that sort of thing onto

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people as it were a translation

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and what I have tried long to

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convince Amara to withdraw this feature but

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they find some people who want this

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,000
so, ok, we have it

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but don't choose it, please.

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,000
[Vance] I'm going to have to step out

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,000
I've got some cases I should do to prepare

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for my vacation

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[check]

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Monday

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[Nina] Where are you going, Vance?

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[Vance] I'm going to [check] valley with my wife and son on Sunday

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and then we're going to Commodo very quickly

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[check]

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[Nina] Is that of dragons?

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,000
[Vance] Yeah

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01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,000
[Nina] Very cool!

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,000
[Vance] It isn't diving

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[Nina] Have a great time!

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[check] voices overlap

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[Vance] I've got a lot of space in my suitcase

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01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,000
But anyway, it was very nice of everyone of you to come

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and populate this event

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01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:47,000
Cristina, Andreas, Benjamin is here

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01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,000
and Claude of course

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,000
and Diana

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01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,000
and [check] came from Ukraine and she has been

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here all the time

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,000
[check] is the wall that we see there

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,000
but he did try to come

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and Nina

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and myself.

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000
That's nine of us so there was room in the chat

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Lucia had to leave because of connectively

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problems to hang up

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01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,000
but she's still there

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and I even think I see a J.L. who might

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:20,000
even see us in the stream from the etherpad chat window

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,000
I've got to teach people how to put

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your name there

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01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000
anyway there are some screenshots

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
if you are interested you can

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open a sort of screencast and see how to use that

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etherpad tool

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But we won't do that now

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,000
But anyway, this is a Learning Together event

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01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000
from the 14th of July 2013

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we've been talking with Claude and Lucia

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who have been doing this work on

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Amara.org and showing us

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[check] open source tool

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01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,000
and we've been talking about the possibilities for it

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and next week Benjamin is going to

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bring his community

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Teachers, most [check] interested in

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01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,000
what's TILL tell us about it

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[Benjamin]Hi, it's an acronym which stands for Teachers for Interactive Language Learning

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and it's just a community that I set up

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01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
and next week we'll be talking about

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gamification, virtual classrooms,

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basically games and language learning

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01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,000
so [check] is interested in partecipating

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who [check] and shares experiences and ideas on the matter

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and I have included link in the chat

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where you can check out

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the event that I created

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and so ....Yeah

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I'd love to have you

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01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,000
anyone who is interested and

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,000
partecipate in the discussion

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01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,000
[Nina] Same time, Benjamin?

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01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,000
Will it be same time as today?

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[voices overlap] same time, yes

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[Vance] Ok. And also, as I know [check] event

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from where [check] wifi

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should be an easy matter for me just to

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just transcript them to the learning 2gether pbworks.com page

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So that will keep track of what's going on

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and there are a couple of Sundays and Mondays

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that are still open if someone of you would like to

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01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,000
have a session, you can start a discussion

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Benjamin, is probably happy to do it

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[check]

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[check] A Goggle doc

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which I've got linked somewhere

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from all our spaces.

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Anyway, you can try it

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if you look hard

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01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,000
[Nina] ok

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01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,000
[Vance] But there's a document where you can write the

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,000
anybody can go to and write any suggestions

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01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,000
for events or topics you would like to discuss.

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000
But anyway, that's a way of keeping

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01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,000
this [check] going over the summer and

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01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,000
I'm certainly glad that Benjamin

1119
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,000
stepped in and offer to do something there.

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01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,000
So if anybody else wants to grab

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01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,000
the ball might get [check] off backwards

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01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,000
pass after next week, so...

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01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,000
[check] what he can

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,000
[check] and everybody was listening

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to the audio from this

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01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,000
in the podcast because I make an mp3 recording

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from the Youtube video and

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I post that on Learning 2gether.net.archive

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which will store this

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And that's how Learning 2gether works

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,000
[Claude] Thank you all

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,000
[Vance] Ok, thanks very much

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01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,000
[Nina] Thanks, Claude

1134
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,000
[Cristina] Thank you very much

1135
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:32,000
[Claude] And I must explore Instreamia beyond prejudices. Thank you very much

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[Nina] Ciao!

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[Vance] Yeah! Have a look! Ok! Bye bye!