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  1. [Politicians, Voting And Democracy]

  2. Politicians are human beings, and like the rest of us are influenced by the environment
  3. So once politicians reach the parliamentary environment they will behave accordingly.
  4. Human government has been around for many thousand of years actually -sure
  5. and they've been fighting and killing each other. All human upgraded governments are basically corrupt,
  6. they serve the 'in-group'. They have to, otherwise they'd never get elected.
  7. So here you sit back with the illusion of patching up the society, making it good,
  8. getting decent people in government. All that's delusional. You have to have a government not based on money.
  9. You have to have a government with machines that distribute goods and services, regardless of race, religion or private beliefs.
  10. In other ways, people must be permitted to live the lifestyle that they prefer.
  11. Without you telling them what to do.
  12. When you come up and you say "this is the right way", it's your way, the way you were brought up,
  13. but that doesn't make it right, it just makes it appropriate for you.
  14. The future will be very different than the world today, the future will be based upon:
  15. Does the system work? Does it serve most people? Does it maintain a healthy relationship in sharing values?
  16. Or does the system damage that? This is how we decide what system is to be selected.
  17. How well does the system works? That's the final test, that's used in engineering standards,
  18. that's the only system that's valid.
  19. Now, is it a democracy? People ask me.
  20. I put it this way: Is it a participatory democracy? -Well I participate. -Well then come here sometimes. -I want to participate right away.
  21. -That's good! how would you prevent cars from hitting each other? -I don't know.
  22. -How do you prevent a building catching fire? -I don't know.
  23. -How do you participate? Did you vote for the space program? Did anybody vote for Vietnam war?
  24. Did anybody vote for any war? Did anybody vote for the Moon project?
  25. How the hell do you participate then?
  26. Half of all american adults understand that the earth orbits the sun yearly
  27. according to a basic science survey.
  28. Nevertheless there's enthusiasm for research acceptance on fields like genetic engineering
  29. and nuclear power, that are viewed with suspicion. Only about 25% of american adults
  30. get passing grades in the national science foundation survey of what people know about
  31. basic science and economics. I mean this is singing your song isn't it?
  32. Well, it certainly is what I'm talking about in "The demon haunted world".
  33. My feeling, Charlie is not that the pseudo science and superstition
  34. and "new age", so called, beliefs and the fundamental zealotry are something new,
  35. they have been with us for as long as we've been human,
  36. but we live in an age based on science and technology with formidable technological powers.
  37. Science and technology are propelling us forward at accelerating rates
  38. Thats right! And if we don't understand it, about "we" I mean we general public
  39. if it's something like "ohh I'm not good at that, I don't know anything about it"
  40. Then who is making all the decisions about science and technology that are going to determine
  41. what kind of a future our children live in? Just uh, some members of congress?
  42. But there's no more than a handful of members of congress who have any background in science at all!
  43. And the republican congress has just abolished it's own office of technology assessment,
  44. The organization that gave them by participation competent advice on science and technology
  45. They say "We don't want to know".
  46. There's two kinds of dangers, one is what I just talked about,
  47. that we've arranged the society based on science and technology
  48. in which nobody understands anything about science and technology
  49. and this combustible mixture of ignorance and power, sooner or later
  50. is gonna blow up in our faces, I mean, who is running the science and technology
  51. in a democracy if the people don't know anything about it?
  52. And the second reason I'm worried about this
  53. is that science is more than a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking
  54. a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
  55. with a fine understanding of human fallibility.
  56. If we are not to able to ask skeptical questions to interrogate those who tell us that something is true
  57. to be skeptical of those in authority. Then we are up for grabs
  58. for the next charlatan political or religious who comes hobblling along.
  59. Have we (the point is made and maybe by you), anyway when was the last time a president made a speech about science?
  60. It is this notion that, science is not a great interest to us, in some sense,
  61. that somehow we dont wanna learn.
  62. You see, people read the stock market quotations
  63. and financial papers, look how complex that is.
  64. They know the direct connections to their own...
  65. There's a motivation, but they are capable of it, large amounts of people.
  66. People are able of look at sport statistics, look how many people can do that!
  67. Understanding science is not more difficult than that, it doesn't involve greater intellectual activities.
  68. But the thing about science is first of all, it's after the way the universe really is, and not what makes us feel better.
  69. And a lot of the competing doctors are after what feels good
  70. and not what's true.
  71. It's not politicians that can solve problems, they have no technical capabilities,
  72. they don't know how to solve problems. Even if they were sincere,
  73. they don't know how to solve problems.
  74. It's the technicians that produce the desalinization plants.
  75. It's the technicians that give you electricity, that give you motor vehicles,
  76. that heat your house and cool it in the summer time.
  77. It's technology that solves problems
  78. not politics, politics cannot solve problems cause they are not trained to do so.
  79. And writing your congressmen is fantastic, they tell you to write your congressman if you want something done.
  80. The men in washington should be at the forefront of technology,
  81. the forefront of human study, the forefront of crime
  82. all the factors that shape human behaviour. You don't have to write your congressmen
  83. What kind of people are they that are appointed to do that job?
  84. Instead of putting up a sign: "Drive carefully, slippery when wet"
  85. put abrasive in the highway so its not slippery when wet.
  86. And if a person gets in the car they are drunk and the car oscillates a great deal,
  87. there's a little pendulum that swings up and back and that would
  88. pull the car over to the side, not a law, a solution.
  89. Put sonar and radar in all auto mobiles so they can't hit one another.
  90. Man made laws are attempts to deal with occurring problems
  91. and not knowing how to solve them, they make a law.
  92. So you live in a managed world, and your kids in the future will say to you, wasn't it obvious?
  93. That you paid off senators, you paid off governments, you paid off different people
  94. to get your will? Isn't that obvious? I guess not.
  95. And so, if you do away with the money system, you can't have the sale of drugs. You can't pay off senators. You can't buy people.
  96. You understand what I'm saying? As long as you've got money, no matter who you elect.
  97. You say, "Well, maybe if we elect decent people in government..." No way, even if you had
  98. the most decent people in the world, taken from the best churches you like
  99. If you ran out of resources, be lying, cheating, killing, stealing.
  100. It's resources that people need, not money. Access to resources.
  101. But we have more than enough resources. Have you considered the money spent on world war II
  102. you could have wiped out the slums all over the world,
  103. educated people, built the best universities free of charge.
  104. Why do we do it free of charge?
  105. Because the smarter the kids are, the richer all of us will be.
  106. Every kid shooting up drugs, hanging out in malls. Why? They have no place to go.
  107. There should be art centers, music centers, cultural centers, theater groups, where people can go.
  108. They hang out in malls and coats stands because there's no place to go.
  109. And the government, I would say this, the government than entry, doesn't give a shit about people.
  110. Proof, now. They would not outsource. I have a big factory: if I pay my help more than the minimum wage,
  111. I can't stay in business, if he outsources to China. Do you understand?
  112. You're not going to invest in the company that builds playgrounds for the women's children that work in the factory.
  113. You want the money spent on products advertising so the income is greater. So you invest in it.
  114. So we're all sons of bitches in the monetary system.
  115. It makes us that way.
  116. Well I say if you're not... consult your bank account and see who you are.
  117. But there's a reason, there's a reason... there's a reason for this, there's a reason education sucks,
  118. it's the same reason it will never, ever, ever be fixed.
  119. It's never gonna get any better, don't look for it, be happy with what you got.
  120. Because the owners of this country don't want that.
  121. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners: the big wealthy business interests,
  122. that control things and they make all the important decisions.
  123. Forget the politicians, the politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice.
  124. You don't! You have no choice.
  125. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important lands,
  126. they own and control the corporations,
  127. they've long since born to pay for the senate the congress to stay down as their city holes, they got the judges in their back pocket,
  128. and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get here,
  129. they got you by the balls! They've spent billions of dollars every year lobbying,
  130. lobbying to get what they want!
  131. But we know what they want, they want more for themselves and less for everybody else!
  132. But I'll tell you what they don't want: they don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking,
  133. they don't want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking,
  134. they're not interested in that, that doesn't help them. That's against their interests.
  135. That's right!
  136. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table
  137. figuring how badly they are getting fucked by a system
  138. that threw them overboard thirty fucking years ago. They don't want that. You know what they want?
  139. They want obedient workers. Obedient workers.
  140. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paper work
  141. and just dumb enough, to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs
  142. with the lower pay and the longer hours the reduced benefits the end of overtime
  143. and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it,
  144. and now they are coming for your social security money. They want your fucking retirement money.
  145. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on wall street.
  146. And you know something? They'll get it, they'll get it all from you sooner or later,
  147. because they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it.
  148. You and I are not in the big club.
  149. By the way it's the same big club they used to beat you over the head with all day long and they tell you what to believe.
  150. All day long beating you over the head and the media's telling you
  151. what to believe, what to think and what to buy.
  152. The table is tilted folks, the game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.
  153. Good honest hard working people, white collar, blue collar, it doesn't matter what color shirt you have on,
  154. good honest hard working people continue, these are people of modest means,
  155. continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don't give a fuck about them.
  156. They don't give a fuck about you, they don't give a fuck about you, they don't care about you,
  157. at all! At all! At all!
  158. You know?
  159. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.
  160. That's what the owners count on: the fact the americans will probably remain willfully ignorant
  161. of the big, red white and blue dick that's been jammed up their assholes everyday.
  162. Because the owners of this country know the truth, it's called the American dream,
  163. cause you have to be asleep to believe it.
  164. [Alternative Solutions]
  165. Decisions must not represent personal opinions,
  166. but an action as result of scientific research.
  167. Politicians have no technical understanding, and thus provide no value
  168. when arriving at a decision.
  169. The nearest thing that I know, is to arrive at decisions, rather than make them.
  170. Arriving at decisions meaning: put all your decisions to test, see if they work.
  171. Use scientific scales of performance.
  172. And in that manner, we can probably arrive at closer agreements with nations.
  173. I believe that all nations need the same things:
  174. clean air, clean water, arable land,
  175. and medical and health security.
  176. And access to food, and the necessities of life.
  177. If we fail to work together, attempting to solve these problems,
  178. I feel the problems will continue, in much more vicious ways,
  179. because we are not touching or not addressing the actual manifestation,
  180. how these values come into being.
  181. So when I say, decisions have to be arrived at,
  182. first you have to study the carrying capacity of the planet, what it's capable of supporting.
  183. Then you design your cities, and population densities so that they correspond
  184. to the carrying capacity of the environment.
  185. That's what I mean when I say: people do not make decisions, they arrive at them.
  186. And how do you decide how much oxygen you carry on the submarine?
  187. Well, depends on the amount of people in the submarine,
  188. and how long you wish to be submerged.
  189. That determine that.
  190. How do you know how much water to carry on the submarine?
  191. How do you know how much food to carry? How do you know how much electrical power?
  192. Depends on the performance you want of that submarine,
  193. then you put in the proper electrical power
  194. for operating the submarine.
  195. You have to put enough food, and refrigeration equipment
  196. to feed the crew. If you don't provide for them, the technology may work, but the crew won't.
  197. So you have to not make decisions, you have to arrive at them
  198. Wants are irrelevant. Necessities are paramount, and they must be related to planetary resources.
  199. But the whole idea is in contradiction with the monetary system,
  200. so we need a different system.
  201. Reality is reality, and there can only be one,
  202. and it is best defined by scientific observation.
  203. Humans can only observe,
  204. actions or decisions are taken in relation to observations,
  205. and not some erroneous opinion.