1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 先講個故事 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 幾年前,有個活動策劃打電話給我 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 因為我要辦一個講座 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 她打給我說 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 「我實在想不出來」 6 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 「在傳單上要怎麼介紹你」 7 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 我想說「為什麼想不出來?」 8 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 她答:「看過你演講」 9 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,000 「我想應該稱呼你為研究員」 10 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,000 「但我怕這樣寫,沒有人會來聽演講」 11 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,000 「因為研究員都很無聊、無關緊要」 12 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,000 (笑聲) 13 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 好吧 14 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,000 然後她說「但我喜歡你演講的原因」 15 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,000 「是因為很像在說故事」 16 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 「所以我要稱你為說書人」 17 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 我內心學術、沒安全感那面就跳出來 18 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 「妳要叫我什麼?」 19 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 她說:「說故事的人阿」 20 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 我心想:「何不乾脆叫我魔法小精靈?」 21 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 (笑聲) 22 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,000 「讓我想一下」 23 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 我鼓起勇氣 24 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 我想:我是說書人 25 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 我是定性研究員 26 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 我工作就是搜集故事 27 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 也許故事就是有靈魂的數據 28 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 或許我真的就是說書人 29 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 我就說:「好吧」 30 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 「你就叫我研究說書員」 31 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 她就回:「哈,沒這東西」 32 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,000 (笑聲) 33 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 所以我是個研究說書員 34 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 我今天要告訴各位的 35 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 是關於看法的擴展 36 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 我要分享給各位幾個故事 37 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 是我研究的一部份 38 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,000 這部份徹底的擴展了我的觀點 39 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 並確實改變了我生活、愛、 40 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 工作、為人父母的過程 41 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,000 這是我故事的開始 42 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 當時我還是個年輕的研究員,念博士 43 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 第一年,我有個教授 44 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 告訴我們 45 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,000 「是這樣的」 46 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 「你無法測量的,就不存在」 47 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 我想他只是講些好聽話而已 48 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 我就說:「真的嗎?」他回:「千真萬確」 49 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 你們要明白 50 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 我學士、碩士都念社工 51 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 我的博士學位也是社工 52 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 所以我的學術事業 53 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,000 都圍繞著 54 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 一些相信 55 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 「生活很混亂,愛它吧」的人 56 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 但我是那種「生活很混亂」 57 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 「那就收拾整齊」 58 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000 「並收進便當盒裡」的人 59 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 (笑聲) 60 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 我想我找到我的路 61 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 發現一個能帶著我的事業 62 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 社工常說的一句話 63 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,000 偎緊工作令人不舒服的部份 64 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 我則是那種,遇到不愉快就趕緊 65 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 想辦法對付他並拿A 66 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 我這樣催眠自己 67 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 對此很期待 68 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,000 我想,這就是我要做的大事了 69 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,000 因為我對這些混亂的話題有興趣 70 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 但我想讓他們變得不混亂 71 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 我想搞懂他們 72 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 我想徹底研究這些 73 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,000 我知道很重要的事 74 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 並把秘密找出來分享給大家 75 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,000 所以我從"連結"開始 76 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000 因為,當了十年社工 77 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,000 你會理解到 78 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,000 連結就是我們都在此的原因 79 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,000 這是我們生命被賦予意義的東西 80 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,000 一切都與這相關 81 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 不管你跟哪個領域的人聊天 82 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,000 不論是社會公平、心理健康、 受虐與疏忽照顧 83 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 我們知道,連結 84 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 感受到彼此的連結是 85 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,000 在神經生物學來說,是我們天生的 86 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 我們在此的原因 87 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,000 所以我想,我要以連結開始研究 88 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 我想你們都經歷過 89 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 老闆給的工作評價 90 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 可能會是37件極佳的表現 91 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 但有一件是 -- 尚待改進 92 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,000 (笑聲) 93 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 你腦子只會想這那尚待改進的事 94 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 我的研究也是這樣 95 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 因為當你問人們關於愛的故事 96 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 他們會告訴你心碎的故事 97 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,000 當你問人們關於歸屬的故事 98 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000 他們會告訴你那些他們被排除在外 99 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 的椎心經驗 100 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 因為當你問人們關於連結的故事 101 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 他們會告訴你那些分離的故事 102 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 所以很快的,研究開始的六週後 103 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 就是這件不知如何命名的事 104 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 讓連結瓦解 105 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,000 我不懂也從未見過 106 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 所以我將研究暫停 107 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 我想,我一定要知道這是為什麼 108 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 原來就是羞恥 109 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 羞恥很好理解 110 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 就是害怕失去連結 111 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 我的哪些部份 112 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 如果外人知道了 113 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 會不會不想與我往來 114 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 羞恥,我可以告訴你們 115 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 是普遍存在的,我們都有 116 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 那些沒有羞恥心的人 117 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 沒有同情心與人類連結 118 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000 沒人想談羞恥 119 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 越不談感受越大 120 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,000 鞏固羞恥的東西 121 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 這種「我不夠好」的感受 122 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,000 我想我們都經歷過 123 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 「不夠徹底、不夠纖瘦」 124 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 「不夠有錢、不夠漂亮、不夠聰明」 125 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 「不夠有才」 126 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 支撐這種 127 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 極痛苦的脆弱感的 128 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 是這種 129 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 為了要有連結 130 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 我們必須讓自己被看見 131 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 真的被看見 132 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,000 各位都知道,我恨脆弱 133 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 所以我想,這是我 134 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,000 用量尺贏回來的機會 135 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 我一定要搞懂這東西 136 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 我要花一年的時間,破解羞恥 137 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 我一定要了解脆弱是如何運作 138 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,000 我要打敗它 139 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 我準備好了,也很興奮 140 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 各位也知道,結果沒有很好 141 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 (笑聲) 142 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 你們都懂 143 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 關於羞恥我可以講很多 144 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,000 但會佔用到其他講者的時間 145 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,000 我可以告訴你的是,研究最終 146 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 這是我十年的研究所學到最重要 147 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 的其中一件事 148 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 我的一年 149 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 變成六年 150 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 數千個故事 151 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 數百個面談,團體會晤 152 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 某階段還有人寄給我日記手札 153 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 告訴我他們的故事 154 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000 六年間有數千筆數據 155 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 我也大概弄懂了 156 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 我有點明白羞恥是什麼 157 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 是怎麼運作的 158 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 我寫了本書 159 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 出版了個理論 160 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,000 但有件事還是不對 161 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 就是 162 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 我將我訪問過的人 163 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,000 分為兩組 164 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 一組是認為自己有價值的人 -- 165 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 這也是核心的部份 166 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 個人價值感 -- 167 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,000 這些人有很強的愛與歸屬感 168 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,000 另一組是掙扎的人 169 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,000 他們總想自己是否夠好 170 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,000 兩組間只有一個可變因素 171 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 有強烈愛與歸屬感的人 172 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 與掙扎的人之間 173 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000 只有一個可變因素 174 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 這就是,那些 175 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 有強烈愛與歸屬感的人 176 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 相信他們是值得愛與歸屬的 177 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 就這樣 178 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 他們相信這是值得的 179 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000 對我來說,困難的部份 180 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 唯一讓我們無法連結的部份 181 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,000 就是害怕我們不值得彼此連結 182 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,000 這個在個人以及工作上來說 183 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,000 我覺得我應該要更精確理解 184 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,000 所以我 185 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 將所有的訪談裡 186 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 看得出個人價值感的案例拿出來 187 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 只看這些人 188 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 這些人有什麼共同點? 189 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 我對辦公用品有點龜毛 190 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 但這是另一個故事了 191 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 我拿了個分類文件夾、一隻簽字筆 192 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 我就想,這研究要怎麼稱呼? 193 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 我想到的第一個字就是 194 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 全心全意 195 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,000 這些都是全心付出的人,以強烈價值感活著 196 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,000 所以我在資料夾上這樣寫 197 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 並開始看我所找到的資料 198 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 事實上 199 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 我所做的是 200 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,000 前四天都密集研究資料 201 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 回到最初的訪問、故事、事件 202 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 主題是什麼?模式是什麼? 203 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 我老公帶孩子出遠門 204 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,000 因為我整個廢寢忘食 205 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 我狂寫資料 206 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,000 進入我"研究員模式" 207 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 我的研究結果是這樣的 208 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,000 他們共有的 209 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 是勇氣(courage) 210 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,000 我想簡單解釋勇氣(courage)與勇敢(bravery)的不同 211 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 勇氣最初的定義 212 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 最早變成英語的時候 213 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,000 是拉丁字源cor,表示"心(heart)" 214 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 而它最初的定義 215 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 就是全心全意講述關於你自己的故事 216 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 所以這些人 217 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,000 有著承認不完美 218 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000 的勇氣 219 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 他們有同情心 220 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 對自己好之後對別人好 221 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,000 因為,後來發現,你要對別人有同情心 222 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,000 就一定要先對自己好 223 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 最後,他們都有著連結 224 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,000 這是困難的部份 225 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 就是"真實性"的結果 226 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 他們願意放下他們想成為的自己 227 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 為了做真正的自己 228 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 而為了與人連結 229 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000 就必須這麼做 230 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 他們的另一個共通點 231 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 是這個 232 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,000 他們坦蕩的接受脆弱 233 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,000 他們相信 234 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 讓他們脆弱的 235 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 會讓他們美麗 236 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 他們並不是說脆弱 237 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 是很自在的事 238 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 也不是很痛心的事 239 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 從我早期"羞恥"訪問中發現的 240 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,000 他們認為脆弱是必須的 241 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 他們談到願意先說 242 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 「我愛你」 243 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,000 願意 244 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 去做那些 245 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,000 不保證美好的事 246 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000 願意 247 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 在乳房X光檢查後深呼吸 248 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 等待醫生回電 249 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 願意投入一場戀愛 250 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 不論結果好不好 251 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,000 他們認為這是很基本的 252 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,000 我個人認為這是背叛 253 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,000 因為我發了誓要 254 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 做研究 255 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 研究的定義 256 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,000 就是控制和預測、研究現象 257 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000 就這麼簡單 258 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,000 控制和預測 259 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 所以我原本的任務 260 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,000 控制和預測 261 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 變成發現到人們都與脆弱一起生活 262 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,000 並停止控制和預測 263 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000 後來導致我有點小崩潰 264 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,000 (笑聲) 265 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 應該是這樣 266 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,000 (笑聲) 267 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000 沒錯 268 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,000 我稱為崩潰,我心理醫師稱為心靈覺醒 269 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,000 心靈覺醒好聽多了 270 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,000 不過我確定就是崩潰沒錯 271 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 所以我把工作放下,去找心理醫師 272 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 告訴你吧,當你打電話給朋友並問他們: 273 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 「我想我需要看心理醫生了,你有建議誰嗎?」的時候 274 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 就瞭解自己是誰了 275 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 我五個朋友都說 276 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,000 「真慶幸我不是你心理醫師」 277 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 (笑聲) 278 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,000 我就說:「你這什麼意思?」 279 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 他們就說:「我只是說說」 280 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 「別帶你的量尺就對了」 281 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 好吧 282 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000 我找到了個醫師 283 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,000 我第一次與Diana的會診 284 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,000 我帶上我的清單 285 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,000 就是全心全意訪問清單,並坐下 286 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,000 她說:「你好嗎?」 287 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 我說:「我很好阿」 288 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 她說:「你怎麼了?」 289 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 我的心理醫師也看心理醫師 290 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 因為每個人都有心事 291 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 然後他們胡扯的功力都很厲害 292 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 (笑聲) 293 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 然後我說 294 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 「是這樣的,我在掙扎」 295 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 她說:「掙扎什麼?」 296 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 我說:「我跟脆弱槓上了」 297 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,000 「我知道脆弱是丟臉和害怕」 298 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 「的核心」 299 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 「為了自我價值的掙扎」 300 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,000 「但似乎也孕育出了」 301 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 「喜悅、創造力」 302 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 「歸屬和愛」 303 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 「所以我想我遇到困難了」 304 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 「我需要幫忙」 305 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 「但是,不要跟我講」 306 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,000 「我家庭怎樣」 307 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,000 「我童年怎樣的廢話」 308 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 (笑聲) 309 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 「告訴我怎麼做就好」 310 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,000 (笑聲) 311 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000 (掌聲) 312 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 謝謝 313 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,000 然後她就 314 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 (笑聲) 315 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000 我問:「很糟吧?」 316 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,000 她答:「不好也不壞啦」 317 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 (笑聲) 318 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 「不就這樣」 319 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,000 我說:「天哪,我完了」 320 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,000 (笑聲) 321 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 是也不是啦 322 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,000 我看了一年的醫生 323 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,000 你們知道有些人 324 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,000 在明白脆弱與溫柔很重要之後 325 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,000 會舉旗投降 326 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 A: 這不是我的個性 327 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,000 B: 我不跟這種人交朋友 328 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,000 (笑聲) 329 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 對我來說,很像長達幾年的街頭鬥毆 330 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,000 打鬥很激烈 331 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 脆弱揍我,我打回去 332 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,000 我輸了 333 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 但卻贏了我的生活 334 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 所以我繼續這個研究 335 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,000 花了幾年時間 336 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 試著搞清楚這些全心全意的人 337 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 他們所做出的選擇 338 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,000 他們怎麼應付 339 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 脆弱感的 340 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,000 為什麼我們如此掙扎? 341 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000 只有我與脆弱掙扎嗎? 342 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,000 不是 343 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 這是我所學到的 344 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,000 我們麻痺脆弱 345 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 例如我們在等待重要電話時 346 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000 蠻好笑的,我在推特和臉書上打了 347 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 「要如何定義脆弱?」 348 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000 「為什麼會感到脆弱?」 349 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,000 大概一個半小時後,我收到150個回覆 350 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 因為我想知道 351 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 大家的情形 352 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 找老公幫忙 353 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,000 因為我病了,而且才新婚、 354 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,000 向老公求歡、 355 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 向老婆求歡、 356 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 被拒絕、邀人去約會、 357 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 等著醫生回電、 358 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 被辭退、辭退員工 -- 359 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 這就是我們的生活 360 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 我們生活在脆弱的世界裡 361 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 而我們應付脆弱的其中一個方式 362 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 就是麻痺脆弱感 363 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 我認為這是有證據的 364 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,000 證據存在不只是唯一理由 365 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,000 我認為這是美國史上 366 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 越來越多負債、 367 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 肥胖 368 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,000 成癮、依賴藥物、 369 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,000 成群的很大原因 370 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,000 問題是 -- 這是我從研究中學到的 -- 371 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000 你無法選擇去麻痺情感 372 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,000 不能說,我不喜歡這感覺 373 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 脆弱感、悲傷、羞恥 374 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,000 害怕、失望等等 375 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,000 我不想要有這種感受 376 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000 去喝啤酒和香蕉堅果鬆餅解悶 377 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 (笑聲) 378 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 麻痺這些感覺 379 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 我知道這笑聲 380 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,000 我把你們的生活都研究透徹了 381 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 天哪被發現了 382 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000 (笑聲) 383 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,000 要麻痺難過的感覺 384 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,000 就要麻痹憐憫、情感 385 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 你不能選擇性麻痺 386 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,000 當我們麻痺這些 387 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 我們麻痺喜悅 388 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 我們麻痺感激 389 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,000 我們麻痺快樂 390 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,000 之後感到痛苦 391 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 然後追求目標與意義 392 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 之後感到脆弱 393 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 然後去喝啤酒和香蕉堅果鬆餅解悶 394 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,000 如此變成惡性循環 395 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,000 我們必須想想 396 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,000 我們為什麼、如何麻痺 397 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000 並不一定是因為習慣了 398 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,000 我們會做的另一件事 399 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,000 是確定那些令人不確定的事 400 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 宗教已從信仰與神秘 401 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 變成確定的事 402 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,000 我對、你錯、閉嘴 403 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 就這樣 404 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,000 就是確定性 405 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 我們越怕,就越脆弱 406 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 然後更害怕 407 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 有點像現今的政治 408 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 沒有談話 409 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 沒有交談 410 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,000 只有責怪 411 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 你們知道研究上怎麼描述"責怪"嗎? 412 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,000 釋放痛苦與不安的方式之一 413 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000 我們追求完美 414 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,000 世上唯有我希望生活如此 415 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 但不這麼稱心 416 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000 我們選擇將屁股的脂肪抽出來 417 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 並拿去豐唇 418 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,000 (笑聲) 419 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 我希望幾百年後的人們 420 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 會對此瞠目咋舌 421 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 (笑聲) 422 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 我們追求完美時,最危險的 423 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000 就是要孩子完美 424 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000 跟你們講怎麼對待孩子吧 425 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000 他們生來就得掙扎以達目的 426 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 當你手上抱著完美的寶寶時 427 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000 我們的工作不是說:「看看她,真完美」 428 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000 「我的工作是讓她保持完美」 429 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,000 「確定她五年級時選上網球隊,國一跳級念耶魯」 430 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,000 這不是我們的工作 431 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000 我們的工作是看著他們說 432 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000 「你知道嗎?你不完美,你生來就得掙扎」 433 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000 「但你值得愛與歸屬的」 434 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 這才是我們的工作 435 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 如果一整代孩子都這麼養 436 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 那今日的問題都可迎刃而解 437 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,000 我們假裝我們所做的 438 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,000 對他人沒有影響 439 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 我們在他人的生活中都是這麼做的 440 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 還會合作完成-- 441 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000 不管是財政援助或油輪漏油、 442 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000 產品回收-- 443 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 我們假裝我們所做的 444 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,000 對他人沒有極大的影響 445 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 大公司們,我們沒這麼好騙 446 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000 我們只要你們老實的說聲 447 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,000 「對不起」 448 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 「我們會彌補」 449 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 但還有別的方法的,我留此作結 450 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 這是我發現的: 451 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 讓自己被看見 452 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 最深層的那面 453 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 脆弱的那面 454 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000 全心全意去愛 455 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 即使不保證有回報 456 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 即使很困難 457 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000 尤其身為一個家長,我告訴你們,當我們恐懼時 458 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,000 表達感激與喜樂 459 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000 是很痛徹心扉的 460 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000 當我們想:「我能否這麼愛你?」 461 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000 「我能熱情地相信嗎?」 462 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000 「我可以對此勇敢嗎?」的時候 463 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000 能夠停下來,別把一切想的太糟糕 464 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000 然後告訴自己:「我很感激」 465 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,000 「因為會感到脆弱代表我還活著」 466 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,000 最後,我想最重要的是 467 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000 相信自己足夠了 468 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 因為如果我們都能 469 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,000 相信自己「我夠好了」 470 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,000 那我們便會停止抱怨並開始傾聽 471 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000 我們對身邊的人會更溫柔仁慈 472 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000 對自己也會更溫柔仁慈 473 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 就這樣,謝謝各位 474 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,000 (掌聲)