A Holocaust survivor on memory, legacy, and the future | Mala Tribich | TEDxCourtauldInstitute
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0:10 - 0:15I am here because I am witness
to the horrific events -
0:15 - 0:19that befell European Jewry
during the Second World War. -
0:21 - 0:24And I experienced some of them:
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0:24 - 0:30life in a ghetto, life as a hidden child,
as a slave labourer -
0:31 - 0:33and in two concentration camps.
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0:34 - 0:39I'm one of those fast disappearing
numbers of Holocaust survivors -
0:39 - 0:43who can say, "I saw it. I was there."
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0:44 - 0:51My task this morning is to condense
five and a half years and aftermath -
0:51 - 0:57into 18 minutes, so I've had
a very difficult job to select. -
0:59 - 1:03I was born in Poland
in a town called Piotrków, -
1:04 - 1:07actually Piotrków Trybunalski,
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1:08 - 1:12which had a population of about 55,000,
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1:12 - 1:15of whom some 15,000 were Jewish.
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1:16 - 1:18There were several synagogues.
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1:18 - 1:20This is the Great Synagogue,
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1:20 - 1:24a splendid building
which dates back to 1793. -
1:24 - 1:27It was badly damaged during the war.
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1:28 - 1:30I was the middle child of three,
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1:30 - 1:33with an older brother, Ben,
and a younger sister, Łucja. -
1:33 - 1:38My father had a flour mill -
he was a partner in a flour mill. -
1:38 - 1:43My mother was a housewife
who looked after us at home. -
1:43 - 1:45I had relatives in several nearby towns,
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1:45 - 1:49and we used to visit
and spend holidays together. -
1:49 - 1:56I started my education at nursery,
the equivalent of infants, when I was four -
1:56 - 2:00and made many friends.
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2:00 - 2:03I moved up to junior school
at the age of six. -
2:04 - 2:06We observed the Jewish festivals,
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2:06 - 2:12and in short, I was living
a normal happy life in a loving family -
2:12 - 2:13at the age of eight.
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2:13 - 2:18But in 1939, on the 1st of September,
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2:18 - 2:22when the German army invaded Poland,
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2:22 - 2:24my world collapsed.
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2:26 - 2:29My hometown, being near the border,
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2:29 - 2:33was attacked immediately
by Stuka dive bombers, -
2:33 - 2:37which had small sirens
attached to the wings -
2:37 - 2:39to make a frightening noise.
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2:39 - 2:44The bombs had whistles
attached to them at the fins, -
2:44 - 2:48all designed to create panic,
which they did. -
2:49 - 2:52The Polish army was no match
for the Germans, -
2:52 - 2:56so Piotrków was very quickly overrun.
-
2:57 - 3:03The occupying troops started
a campaign of looting and terror. -
3:04 - 3:07People were attacked for no reason at all.
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3:07 - 3:11Someone we knew,
my father's accountant, was shot, -
3:11 - 3:17and his body was left lying
in a block of flats for a whole week. -
3:17 - 3:21The German authorities
quickly imposed restrictions: -
3:22 - 3:24all radios were confiscated,
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3:24 - 3:28so we were isolated
from the outside world, -
3:28 - 3:31and valuables had to be handed in.
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3:32 - 3:35Jews were placed under curfew
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3:35 - 3:40and were not allowed to walk
on certain streets, -
3:40 - 3:44as this sign shows here.
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3:44 - 3:50We were also required to wear
an armband with the Star of David, -
3:50 - 3:51that is shown here.
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3:52 - 3:58Piotrków was the first town
in Poland to have a ghetto. -
3:58 - 4:03At the beginning of November,
all the Jews were removed from their homes -
4:03 - 4:08and herded into a small area of the town
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4:08 - 4:14into which some 10,000 Jews
from surrounding areas were also packed, -
4:14 - 4:17so it immediately became very overcrowded.
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4:19 - 4:23There could be as many
as three families to a room. -
4:24 - 4:28Malnutrition and the inadequate
sanitary conditions -
4:28 - 4:32caused much illness
and many epidemic diseases, -
4:32 - 4:36which in turn caused thousands of deaths.
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4:37 - 4:41This street sign
with skull and crossbones, -
4:41 - 4:44which I remember very well,
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4:44 - 4:46points to the ghetto.
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4:46 - 4:49Although there were frequent round-ups
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4:49 - 4:52and people were being sent away
to various camps, -
4:52 - 4:57the main deportation came
in the autumn of 1942, -
4:57 - 5:03and I only managed to avoid it
because my father and my uncle -
5:03 - 5:09paid for my cousin Idzia and me to stay
with a Polish family, the Maciejewskis, -
5:09 - 5:13in a nearby town, Częstochowa,
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5:14 - 5:16where we lived as Christians.
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5:17 - 5:21Now, this is a slide of my cousin Idzia.
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5:22 - 5:29This shows you where Częstochowa was
in relation to my hometown. -
5:29 - 5:33We felt very vulnerable and scared
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5:33 - 5:38because there was actually a reward
for turning in hidden Jews, -
5:38 - 5:42and Idzia, an only child,
was very homesick -
5:42 - 5:44and begged to be taken back.
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5:45 - 5:46So after some time,
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5:46 - 5:53the Maciejewskis supposedly
took her back to Polish friends -
5:53 - 5:57who she said were hiding
her parents' valuables. -
5:59 - 6:00In the meantime,
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6:00 - 6:0622,000 people had been deported
to the extermination camp of Treblinka, -
6:08 - 6:11where they were murdered immediately.
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6:11 - 6:16And what came to be called
"the big ghetto" was liquidated. -
6:17 - 6:22The remaining inhabitants,
mainly those with work permits, -
6:22 - 6:26were confined to a much smaller area,
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6:26 - 6:28and when it felt safe,
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6:28 - 6:34my father arranged for me to return
to what we called "the small ghetto." -
6:34 - 6:40When I arrived, I found that although
the valuables had been collected, -
6:40 - 6:42Idzia had not been returned.
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6:43 - 6:48There was nothing my distraught uncle
and aunt could do about it, -
6:48 - 6:51and we never found out
what happened to Idzia. -
6:51 - 6:56Then, after only a few weeks,
in early December, -
6:56 - 7:02more than 500 women and children,
including my mother and younger sister, -
7:02 - 7:06were rounded up and imprisoned
in the desecrated synagogue -
7:07 - 7:10for about a week
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7:10 - 7:16without food, water,
warmth or hygienic facilities. -
7:16 - 7:22And at dawn, on Sunday,
the 20th of December, 1942, -
7:22 - 7:28they were marched in groups of 50
to the nearby Rakow Forest -
7:28 - 7:34and brutally murdered
in front of newly-dug mass graves. -
7:35 - 7:40Only my mother's quick thinking
saved me from being among them. -
7:42 - 7:46Then my aunt Irene Helfgott,
whose husband had been shot, -
7:46 - 7:49was deported to a labour camp,
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7:49 - 7:53and I was left
to look after my cousin Ann, -
7:54 - 7:57my aunt's five-year-old daughter.
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7:57 - 8:00Then, there was the final selection.
-
8:00 - 8:05Everyone without work permits,
which included me and Ann, -
8:05 - 8:11were lined up outside the ghetto,
waiting to be loaded onto trucks. -
8:11 - 8:15We were guarded, none too gently,
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8:15 - 8:19by police and soldiers with rifles
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8:19 - 8:22supervised by a German officer.
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8:22 - 8:26I don't know what gave me
the idea or the courage, -
8:26 - 8:28but I stepped out of line,
-
8:28 - 8:30walked up to him,
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8:30 - 8:35explained that I had been separated
from my father and brother -
8:35 - 8:38and asked if I could go back
into the ghetto. -
8:39 - 8:41He looked at me with amazement,
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8:41 - 8:43then smiled
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8:44 - 8:48and told one of the policemen
to take me back inside. -
8:48 - 8:53On the way, after an argument,
I managed to collect my cousin Ann too. -
8:53 - 9:00All those remaining had work permits
and were sent to two local labour camps, -
9:00 - 9:02and the ghetto was liquidated.
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9:02 - 9:07My father and brother were allocated
to the local plywood factory, -
9:07 - 9:10where, through an unbelievable
stroke of luck, -
9:10 - 9:14I also managed to go together with them.
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9:15 - 9:19So at the age of twelve,
I became a slave labourer. -
9:19 - 9:21For almost two years,
-
9:21 - 9:26I was working with machines that made
plywood huts for the German army. -
9:27 - 9:33We did not live together as a family;
men and women were housed separately. -
9:33 - 9:39While I was out at work, other women
in the barracks kept an eye on Ann. -
9:39 - 9:45Living conditions were grim,
and food was at barely subsistence level, -
9:45 - 9:49but somehow we managed to keep going.
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9:49 - 9:55Then, towards the end of 1944,
the final deportation took place. -
9:56 - 10:00My father and brother were sent
to Buchenwald with the men, -
10:01 - 10:05Ann and I, two aunts
and a number of my friends -
10:05 - 10:10were deported with the women
to Ravensbrück concentration camp, -
10:10 - 10:13which was in Germany, north of Berlin.
-
10:13 - 10:18Although conditions
had been constantly deteriorating -
10:18 - 10:23and at times we felt
that they could not get any worse, -
10:23 - 10:27somehow we managed to retain our hope.
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10:27 - 10:33But when we arrived in Ravensbrück,
we felt that we would not survive. -
10:33 - 10:38We had to queue up
and all our details were recorded. -
10:39 - 10:41Then we had to undress,
-
10:41 - 10:43everything was taken away from us,
-
10:44 - 10:46our heads were shaved,
-
10:46 - 10:50we went through cold communal showers
-
10:51 - 10:53and were given
the concentration camp garb, -
10:53 - 10:59which consisted of a thin striped skirt,
jacket and a pair of clogs. -
11:00 - 11:06When we emerged at the other end,
we could not even recognise one another. -
11:06 - 11:08We all looked the same.
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11:09 - 11:14Our personalities, our very souls
had been taken from us. -
11:14 - 11:18And at that moment, we lost hope.
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11:19 - 11:24One of my aunts, Frania Klein,
died within a few days, -
11:24 - 11:29and my best friend, Pema Blachman,
died soon after that. -
11:29 - 11:31People were just giving up.
-
11:33 - 11:36I was in Ravensbrück
for a little over two months, -
11:36 - 11:41and my main memories
are of the interminable Appells - -
11:41 - 11:46when we had to stand on the parade ground
and be counted repeatedly -
11:46 - 11:49until the numbers were correct -
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11:49 - 11:51and the meagre daily rations -
-
11:51 - 11:55half a slice of something dark
called "bread," -
11:55 - 11:58some grey liquid called "soup"
-
11:58 - 12:02and some brown liquid
called "ersatz coffee." -
12:03 - 12:06But little did we know what was to come.
-
12:07 - 12:11In February 1945, as the Russian
army was approaching, -
12:11 - 12:17the Germans became anxious
to hide the evidence of their evil deeds. -
12:17 - 12:20So we were marched
to the cattle trucks again, -
12:20 - 12:26and at the end of that journey,
we found ourselves in Bergen-Belsen. -
12:26 - 12:29When we arrived, the place
was so overcrowded -
12:29 - 12:33that we were put up
in a large tent on bare ground, -
12:33 - 12:39and this in mid-winter
with temperatures well below freezing. -
12:39 - 12:43Next morning, we entered the main camp,
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12:43 - 12:48and the scene that faced us
defies description. -
12:48 - 12:51It was like something out of hell.
-
12:51 - 12:55There was a kind of smog and a smell
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12:55 - 13:00and skeletal figures shuffling around
aimlessly like zombies. -
13:00 - 13:03There were dead bodies everywhere
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13:03 - 13:10and large piles of twisted,
decaying, decomposing corpses. -
13:12 - 13:14Typhus and other diseases were raging.
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13:15 - 13:17Food was almost non-existent.
-
13:18 - 13:23We were allocated to a hut,
but the accommodation was so overcrowded -
13:23 - 13:30that the hut which would have held 80
might contain hundreds of people, -
13:30 - 13:32as many as a thousand.
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13:33 - 13:35Then, quite by chance,
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13:35 - 13:39I heard that there was a children's hut
somewhere in the camp, -
13:39 - 13:41so I set out to find it.
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13:41 - 13:46This is the hut, 211, the children's hut.
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13:46 - 13:49When we got there, we were interviewed
by the people in charge, -
13:49 - 13:52Doctor Bimko and Sister Luba.
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13:53 - 13:56And although at first
they would not accept us, -
13:56 - 13:59because they also were very overcrowded,
-
13:59 - 14:04with some persistence, I managed
to get my cousin and myself admitted. -
14:05 - 14:07The children were mostly Dutch,
-
14:07 - 14:11but there were some
other nationalities too. -
14:11 - 14:14I still have a vivid picture
-
14:15 - 14:17of the view from my window:
-
14:19 - 14:23there was a shed for dead bodies
right opposite us -
14:23 - 14:26and a constant procession all day.
-
14:27 - 14:31At first, bodies were brought
in rather dilapidated carts, -
14:32 - 14:36but after that, they were
dragged along in blankets, -
14:36 - 14:43and then it finally degenerated into
a body being just dragged along by a limb -
14:43 - 14:46and just thrown into this hut.
-
14:47 - 14:52Just as awful was that the people
who were forced to do this -
14:52 - 14:55were barely alive themselves.
-
14:56 - 15:00Although the conditions in these
children's homes were marginally better, -
15:00 - 15:03I went down with typhus
and was extremely ill. -
15:04 - 15:09I was unaware of my surroundings
for quite some days -
15:09 - 15:12and must have been starting to recover
-
15:12 - 15:13when one day,
-
15:13 - 15:15in an upper bunk by the window,
-
15:15 - 15:20I saw some emaciated people
running towards the gate, -
15:20 - 15:26and all I could think of was,
How did they have the strength to run? -
15:26 - 15:29That was the moment of liberation,
-
15:29 - 15:35when the British troops entered the camp
on the 15th of April, 1945. -
15:36 - 15:39Within two days, a hospital was set up,
-
15:40 - 15:43and the medical nursing and relief teams
-
15:43 - 15:47under the command of Brigadier Glyn Hughes
-
15:48 - 15:54gave themselves body and soul
to the task of saving lives. -
15:54 - 15:59Thanks to their dedication,
commitment and compassion, -
15:59 - 16:02I was nursed back to health.
-
16:02 - 16:05I still remember their kindness
-
16:05 - 16:09after suffering years
of cruelty and deprivation. -
16:11 - 16:13When the British took over,
-
16:13 - 16:18the German commandant Kramer
was immediately arrested, -
16:18 - 16:22and the guards were forced
to collect the bodies, -
16:23 - 16:27which could only be buried in mass graves.
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16:28 - 16:31Then, all the huts were burnt,
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16:33 - 16:37and a temporary memorial was set up.
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16:39 - 16:42In July 1945,
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16:43 - 16:47Ann and I were sent to Sweden
with a group of children -
16:47 - 16:49for rehabilitation,
-
16:49 - 16:52and subsequently I learnt
-
16:52 - 16:57that my brother Ben was the only
other survivor of my immediate family. -
16:58 - 17:01He was among a group of children survivors
-
17:01 - 17:05who had been flown
to England in August 1945. -
17:05 - 17:06And from him,
-
17:06 - 17:11I heard that our father had been shot
-
17:11 - 17:14trying to escape from a death march,
-
17:15 - 17:19and that was only four days
before the end of the war. -
17:21 - 17:26Ben and I were reunited
when I came to England in 1947. -
17:27 - 17:31There was no financial support
for immigrants in those days. -
17:31 - 17:35I was sponsored by
a Jewish charitable organisation, -
17:36 - 17:40and my first task
was to learn the language -
17:40 - 17:43and sufficient skills to support myself,
-
17:43 - 17:47which I was able to do within 12 months.
-
17:47 - 17:49I joined a social club
-
17:49 - 17:54which had been set up to help survivors
to integrate with the community, -
17:54 - 17:58and through friends, I met Morris Tribich,
-
17:58 - 17:59a young architect
-
17:59 - 18:04who had spent five and a half years
in the Royal Engineers, -
18:04 - 18:07some of it in the front line
in North Africa -
18:07 - 18:11and at Montecassino, in Italy.
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18:11 - 18:16We were married in 1950,
had two children, three grandchildren -
18:16 - 18:22and enjoyed a happy life
together for 43 years -
18:22 - 18:24before he sadly died.
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18:24 - 18:27Once my children were at school,
-
18:27 - 18:31I set about working
at the education that I had missed -
18:31 - 18:34and took O and A levels
-
18:34 - 18:40and eventually obtained a degree
in sociology from London University. -
18:40 - 18:45Some years ago, to help me prepare
a PowerPoint presentation, -
18:45 - 18:50my friend David, a retired doctor
and a very old family friend, -
18:50 - 18:54did a computer search
for information about my hometown, -
18:55 - 18:58and he found the original typed list
-
18:58 - 19:05of the names and ages of transport 132
-
19:05 - 19:10of 277 Jewish women and 9 children
-
19:10 - 19:14who had deported
from Piotrków to Ravensbrück -
19:14 - 19:17at the end of November 1944.
-
19:18 - 19:24And on that list, he found my name
and the names of my aunts, my cousin Ann, -
19:24 - 19:29and he told me that although he had heard
me tell my story several times, -
19:29 - 19:35to see the actual physical evidence
of what had happened to us -
19:35 - 19:38left him in tears.
-
19:38 - 19:44Yet there are still people
who say that it never happened. -
19:45 - 19:47About 20 years ago,
-
19:47 - 19:52I started to speak in public
about my experiences during the war, -
19:52 - 19:57mainly at schools under the auspices
of the Holocaust Educational Trust (HET) -
19:57 - 20:01and at Beth Shalom,
the Holocaust Centre in Nottingham. -
20:02 - 20:06More recently, since the appointment
of HET ambassadors, -
20:06 - 20:10I find that I'm speaking
quite often at universities. -
20:10 - 20:16So contrary to the rumours
that come back to us from overseas, -
20:16 - 20:20Holocaust education
is very active in the UK -
20:20 - 20:23and is strongly supported
by the government. -
20:23 - 20:27When we speak about the Holocaust,
we have to remember -
20:27 - 20:31that is was not only the Jews
who were the victims. -
20:32 - 20:37The extermination programme
started as early as 1940 -
20:37 - 20:41with the mentally and
physically handicapped, -
20:41 - 20:46on whom, by trial and error, the man
who became the notorious commandant -
20:46 - 20:53of the extermination camps at Sobibór
and Treblinka, Franz Stangl, -
20:53 - 20:58learned his trade
and how to square his conscience. -
20:58 - 21:00And when it was in full swing,
-
21:00 - 21:05the victims included also
the Roma, Jehovah's Witnesses -
21:05 - 21:09and other groups who did not conform
to the Nazi ideal. -
21:11 - 21:17One would have thought that the revelation
of the hideous crimes against humanity -
21:17 - 21:21that took place in Germany
and the occupied countries -
21:21 - 21:23during the Second World War
-
21:23 - 21:26would have been such a shock to humankind
-
21:26 - 21:33that any resurgence of such destructive
racial and religious hatred -
21:33 - 21:35would be inconceivable.
-
21:36 - 21:41Yet, in spite of the Holocaust being
the best documented atrocity -
21:41 - 21:44in the whole of human history,
-
21:44 - 21:48there are people who claim
that it never happened. -
21:48 - 21:55So this, to me, is the value
of what we remaining survivors are doing: -
21:55 - 22:00remembering the victims and teaching
the generations that follow us -
22:01 - 22:03to be ever on their guard
-
22:03 - 22:07against the denial
and the repetition of such evil. -
22:07 - 22:12When I did my first trial run
of this talk, David said, -
22:12 - 22:18"You can't finish with that slide,
you need something more upbeat. -
22:19 - 22:24Would you ever have dreamt
when you were queuing up and shivering -
22:25 - 22:28when you arrived at Ravensbrück
-
22:28 - 22:32on that freezing November day in 1944,
-
22:32 - 22:35that almost 60 years later
-
22:35 - 22:39you would be doing
what's on the next slide?" -
22:39 - 22:41And I said, "Not in a million years."
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22:42 - 22:44Thank you very much.
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22:44 - 22:46(Applause)
- Title:
- A Holocaust survivor on memory, legacy, and the future | Mala Tribich | TEDxCourtauldInstitute
- Description:
-
January 27, 2015, marked the 70th Holocaust Memorial Day and the inauguration of the UK Holocaust Memorial Foundation. By promoting awareness of what happened during the Holocaust, Mala hopes that we may remain vigilant against anti-Semitism and other forms of prejudice in society today.
Mala Tribich was born in 1930 in Piotrkow Trybunalski, Poland. When the Nazis invaded in 1939, Mala’s family fled eastwards but were later forced into the ghetto established in her hometown. When the ghetto was liquidated, Mala was sent to Ravensbrück concentration camp and then to Bergen-Belsen. She came to England in 1947, where she married and gained a degree, and she now works closely with the Holocaust Educational Trust, an organisation devoted to educating young people about the Holocaust and the important lessons it teaches us.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
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- English
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- Duration:
- 22:52