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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.91,0:00:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anne Milgram: Congressman,\NI was about to introduce you
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.52,0:00:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say a little more --
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.85,0:00:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will Hurd: Hey, Anne. How are you?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.49,0:00:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Hi, how are you doing?\NThank you so much for joining us tonight.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.72,0:00:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're so lucky to have you here with us.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.09,0:00:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've already explained\Nthat you're actually in Washington
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.83,0:00:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you're working.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.06,0:00:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was about to tell folks
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.52,0:00:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you represent\Nthe 23rd district of Texas.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.34,0:00:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But maybe you could tell us\Na little bit about your district
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.83,0:00:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and describe it for us.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.90,0:00:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: Sure, my district in Southwest Texas\Nis 29 counties, two time zones,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.51,0:00:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,820 miles of border\Nfrom Eagle Pass, Texas
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.47,0:00:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the way to El Paso.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.29,0:00:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes 10 and a half hours to drive\Nacross my district at 80 miles an hour,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.83,0:00:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the speed limit\Nin most of the district.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.15,0:00:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I found out a couple of weekends ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.16,0:00:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not the speed limit\Nin all the district.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.32,0:00:51.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.84,0:00:55.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a 71-percent Latino district,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.84,0:00:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's the district that\NI've been representing
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.31,0:01:01.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for now my third term in Congress.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.11,0:01:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you think\Nabout the issue of the border,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.32,0:01:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have more border\Nthan any other member of Congress.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.58,0:01:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spent nine and a half years\Nas an undercover officer in the CIA,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.51,0:01:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chasing bad people all across the country.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.52,0:01:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when it comes to securing our border,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.47,0:01:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's something I know a little bit about.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.14,0:01:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: One of the things I learned recently\Nwhich I hadn't known before
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.47,0:01:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that your district\Nis actually the size, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.40,0:01:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the state of Georgia?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.74,0:01:29.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: That's right.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.93,0:01:33.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's larger than 26 states,\Nroughly the size of the state of Georgia.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.100,0:01:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's pretty big.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.09,0:01:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: So as an expert in national security
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.60,0:01:39.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as a member of Congress,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.01,0:01:42.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've been called upon\Nto think about issues
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.81,0:01:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,related to immigration,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.47,0:01:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in recent years,\Nparticularly about the border wall.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.43,0:01:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is your reaction\Nto President Trump's statement
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.24,0:01:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we need a big, beautiful wall\Nthat would stretch across our border,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.52,0:01:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at 18 to 30 feet high?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.81,0:02:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: I've been saying this since I first\Nran for Congress back in 2009,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.22,0:02:04.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is not a new topic,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.43,0:02:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that building a 30-foot-high\Nconcrete structure
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.04,0:02:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from sea to shining sea
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.71,0:02:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the most expensive\Nand least effective way
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.57,0:02:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do border security.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.47,0:02:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are parts of the border
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.89,0:02:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where Border Patrol's\Nresponse time to a threat
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.20,0:02:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is measured in hours to days.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.86,0:02:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If your response time\Nis measured in hours to days,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.68,0:02:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then a wall is not a physical barrier.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.67,0:02:30.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should be having technology\Nalong the border,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.96,0:02:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should have operation\Ncontrol of our border,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.61,0:02:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means we know everything\Nthat's going back and forth across it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.04,0:02:39.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can do a lot of that with technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.02,0:02:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also need more folks\Nwithin our border patrol.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.43,0:02:45.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in addition to doing all this,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.63,0:02:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the things we should be able to do\Nis streamline legal immigration.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.65,0:02:53.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're going to be\Na productive member of our society,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.35,0:02:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's get you here as quickly as possible,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.40,0:02:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but let's do it legally.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.58,0:02:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we're able to streamline that,\Nthen you're going to see
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.56,0:03:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the pressures\Nrelieved along our border
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.04,0:03:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and allow men and women in Border Patrol\Nto focus on human trafficking
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.34,0:03:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and drug-trafficking\Norganizations as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.48,0:03:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Congressman,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.33,0:03:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's also been a conversation\Nnationally about using emergency funds
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.33,0:03:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to build the border wall
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.65,0:03:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and taking those funds\Nfrom the United States military.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.23,0:03:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What has your position been on that issue?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.32,0:03:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: I'm one of the few Republicans up here\Nthat has opposed that effort.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.18,0:03:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are just now rebuilding our military,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.60,0:03:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and taking funds away from making sure
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.95,0:03:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that our brothers and sisters,\Nour wives and our husbands
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.99,0:03:42.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have the training and equipment they need
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.02,0:03:47.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to take care of us\Nin far-flung places --
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.20,0:03:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking money away from them\Nis not an efficient use of our resources,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.65,0:03:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially if it's going to build a ...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.06,0:03:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I always say\Nit's a fourth-century solution
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.81,0:04:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a 21st-century problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.13,0:04:05.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the reality is,\Nwhat we should be focusing on
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.65,0:04:08.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is some of the other root causes\Nof this problem,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.82,0:04:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many of your speakers today\Nhave talked about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.70,0:04:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of those key root problems\Nare violence, lack of economic opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.58,0:04:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and extreme poverty,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.10,0:04:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically, in the Northern Triangle:\NEl Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.63,0:04:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should be working --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.76,0:04:28.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: I was going to ask\Nwhat you would recommend
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.100,0:04:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,United States government does\Nto address the underlying,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.05,0:04:34.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we call push factors, or root causes
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.49,0:04:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in those three countries\Nin Central America?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.91,0:04:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: One of the things I learned\Nas an undercover officer in the CIA
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.10,0:04:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is be nice with nice guys\Nand tough with tough guys.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.83,0:04:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the principles\Nof being nice with nice guys
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.44,0:04:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to strengthen our alliances.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.97,0:04:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a number of programs\Ncurrently in these three countries
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.37,0:04:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that USAID and the State Department\Nis doing to address this violence issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.01,0:05:00.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we know, in El Salvador,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.71,0:05:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the problems was\Nthat the police were corrupt.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.68,0:05:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we've worked with the Salvadorians\Nto purge the police,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.08,0:05:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rehire new folks,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.48,0:05:14.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use community policing tactics.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.51,0:05:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are tactics the men and women\Nin the United States of America
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.36,0:05:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and police forces
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.57,0:05:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use every single day.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.23,0:05:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when we did this\Nin certain communities,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.39,0:05:25.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guess what happened?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.58,0:05:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We saw a decrease in the violence\Nthat was happening in those communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.10,0:05:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we also saw
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.29,0:05:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a decrease in the number of people\Nthat were leaving those areas
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.41,0:05:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to come\Nto the United States illegally.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.08,0:05:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a fraction of the cost\Nto solve a problem there,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.80,0:05:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before it ultimately reaches our border.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.58,0:05:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the reasons\Nthat you have violence and crime
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.75,0:05:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is political corruption
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.33,0:05:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the lack of central governments\Nto protect its citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.99,0:05:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this is something\Nwe should be continuing to work on.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.83,0:06:00.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We shouldn't be decreasing\Nthe amount of money that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.03,0:06:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're sending to these countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.89,0:06:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually think\Nwe should be increasing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.100,0:06:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe the first thing --\Nwe should have done this months ago --
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.20,0:06:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is select a special representative\Nfor the Northern Triangle.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.67,0:06:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a senior diplomat
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.48,0:06:17.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's going to work to make sure\Nwe're using all of our levers of power
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.90,0:06:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help these three countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.43,0:06:22.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then that we're doing it\Nin a coordinated effort.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.94,0:06:25.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not just a problem\Nfor the United States and Mexico,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.87,0:06:28.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a problem for the entire\Nwestern hemisphere.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.37,0:06:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, where is the Organization\Nof American States?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.69,0:06:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where is the International\NDevelopment Bank?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.83,0:06:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should be having a collective plan\Nto address these root causes.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.49,0:06:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you talk about violence,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.22,0:06:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of times, we talk\Nabout these terrible gangs like MS-13.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.10,0:06:49.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's also violence like\Nwomen being beaten by their husbands.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.20,0:06:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they have nobody else to go to,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.54,0:06:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are unable to deal\Nwith this current problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.80,0:06:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are the types of issues
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.15,0:07:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we should be increasing\Nour diplomacy,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.46,0:07:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,increasing our economic development aid.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.26,0:07:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Please, I want to take you now
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.56,0:07:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from thinking about the root causes\Nin Central America
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.86,0:07:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to thinking about the separation\Nof children and families
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.96,0:07:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.81,0:07:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Starting in April 2018,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.78,0:07:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Trump administration began\Na no-tolerance policy
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.58,0:07:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for immigrants, people seeking\Nrefugee status, asylum
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.37,0:07:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.82,0:07:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that led to the separation\Nof 2,700 children
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.80,0:07:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the first year\Nthat that program was run.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.68,0:07:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I want to address this with you,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.47,0:07:39.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want to separate it up front\Ninto two different conversations.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.84,0:07:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the things\Nthat the administration did
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.97,0:07:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was file legal court papers,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.37,0:07:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying that one of the primary\Npurposes of the separations
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.81,0:07:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was to act as a deterrent
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.96,0:07:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against people coming\Nto the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.25,0:07:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to talk for a moment\Nabout that from a moral perspective
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.78,0:07:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to get your views.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.38,0:08:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: We shouldn't be doing it,\Nperiod. It's real simple.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.11,0:08:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And guess what, it wasn't a deterrent.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.52,0:08:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You only saw an increase\Nin the amount of illegal immigration.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.19,0:08:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you're sitting,\Ndebating a strategy,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.94,0:08:18.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if somebody comes up with the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.05,0:08:21.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of snatching a child\Nout of their mother's arms,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.63,0:08:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to go back to the drawing board.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.14,0:08:27.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not what the United States\Nof America stands for,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.01,0:08:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is not a Republican\Nor a Democrat or independent thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.97,0:08:34.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a human decency thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.58,0:08:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, using that strategy,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.14,0:08:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it didn't achieve the ultimate purpose.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.57,0:08:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And ultimately, the amount\Nof research that is done
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.40,0:08:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the impact that\Nthe detention of children has --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.32,0:08:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially if it's over 21 days --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.62,0:08:52.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has on their development and their future
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.63,0:08:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is disastrous.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.81,0:08:57.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we shouldn't be trying to detain\Nchildren for any more than 21 days,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.22,0:09:00.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we should be getting children,\Nif they're in our custody,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.50,0:09:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should be taking care of them humanely,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.69,0:09:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and making sure they're with people
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.62,0:09:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can provide them a safe\Nand loving environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.73,0:09:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: I would challenge you\Neven on the 21-day number,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.66,0:09:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for the purposes of this conversation,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.31,0:09:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to follow up\Non something you just said,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.55,0:09:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is both that it's wrong\Nto detain children,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.46,0:09:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it's not effective.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.62,0:09:25.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the question, then, is why\Ndoes the administration continue to do it,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.57,0:09:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we've seen 900 additional children\Nseparated from their parents
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.39,0:09:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the summer of 2018?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.70,0:09:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is this happening?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.16,0:09:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: Well, that's something\Nthat you'd have to ultimately
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.28,0:09:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask the administration.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.48,0:09:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are questions that I've been asking.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.51,0:09:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Tornillo facility is in my district.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.54,0:09:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are buildings that are not\Ndesigned to hold anybody
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.47,0:09:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for multiple days,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.92,0:09:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let alone children.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.68,0:09:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should be making sure\Nthat if they are in our custody --
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.22,0:10:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of times for\Nthe uncompanied children,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.28,0:10:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't have a ...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.43,0:10:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't know of a patron or a family\Nmember in the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.73,0:10:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we should make sure\Nthat they're in facilities
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.41,0:10:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they're able to go to school
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.08,0:10:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have proper food and health care.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.97,0:10:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we're able to find\Na sponsor or family member,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.16,0:10:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's get them into that custody,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.44,0:10:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while they're waiting\Nfor their immigration court case.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.28,0:10:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the other issue here.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.91,0:10:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you have a backlog of cases --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.73,0:10:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's now 900,000 cases\Nthat are backlogged --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.02,0:10:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should be able to do\Nan immigration hearing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.63,0:10:35.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within nine months.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.91,0:10:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think most of the legal community\Nthinks that is enough time
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.37,0:10:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do something like this,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.81,0:10:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that we can facilitate\Nwhether someone, an individual,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.70,0:10:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is able to stay in the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.46,0:10:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they're going to have to be returned\Nback to their home country,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.64,0:10:53.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than being in this limbo\Nfor five years.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.98,0:10:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: If we think about\Nthe asylum system today,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.55,0:11:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people are coming and saying\Nthat they have a credible threat,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.09,0:11:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they will be persecuted back home,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.13,0:11:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we think about the fact\Nthat on average,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.31,0:11:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's about two years for someone\Nto get an asylum hearing,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.43,0:11:11.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that many people are not represented\Nas they go through that process,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.81,0:11:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it makes me think about something
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.42,0:11:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they say in the health care\Nspace all the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.88,0:11:18.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is that every system\Nis perfectly designed
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.55,0:11:20.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get the results it gets.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.75,0:11:22.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so as you think about this
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.21,0:11:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and think about how we would\Nredesign this system
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.41,0:11:27.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to not do what we're doing,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.88,0:11:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is years and years\Nof detention and separations and hardship
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.07,0:11:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people seeking --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.30,0:11:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again, asylum being a lawful\NUnited States government process --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.78,0:11:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people seeking\Nto enter our country lawfully.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.31,0:11:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What should we do?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.50,0:11:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: I tried to increase\Nby four billion dollars
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.25,0:11:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the amount of resources that HHS has
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.48,0:11:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to specifically deal,\Nultimately, with children.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.30,0:11:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we need more immigration judges\Nin order to process these cases,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.50,0:12:04.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think we need to ensure\Nthat folks can get representation.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.01,0:12:09.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been able to work with a number\Nof lawyers up and down the border
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.55,0:12:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make sure they are being able\Nto get access to the folks
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.00,0:12:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are having these problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.74,0:12:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this is something\Nthat we should be able to design.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.49,0:12:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And ultimately, when it comes to children,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.08,0:12:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should be doing everything we can\Nwhen they're in our custody,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.28,0:12:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to take care of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.03,0:12:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: So I have two more questions for you
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.98,0:12:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before I'm going to let you\Ngo back to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.06,0:12:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first is about our focus\Nin the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.34,0:12:39.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the questions of immigration.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.21,0:12:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if you look\Nat some of the statistics,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.42,0:12:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see that of people\Nwho are undocumented
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.43,0:12:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.76,0:12:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the majority of people\Nhave overstayed on visas,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.29,0:12:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they haven't come through the border.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.12,0:12:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at the people\Nwho try to enter the country
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.90,0:12:55.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are on the terrorist watch list,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.73,0:12:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they enter overwhelmingly\Nthrough the airports
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.73,0:13:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not through the border.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.07,0:13:02.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we look at drugs\Ncoming into the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.43,0:13:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has been a huge part\Nof this conversation,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.74,0:13:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the vast majority of those drugs\Ncome through our ports
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.04,0:13:10.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and through other points of entry,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.24,0:13:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not through backpacks\Non people crossing the border.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.83,0:13:15.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the thing I always ask
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.12,0:13:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I always worry about with government,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.27,0:13:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that we focus so much on one thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.65,0:13:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my question for you\Nis whether we are focused
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.86,0:13:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this conversation nationally\Nabout the border,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.18,0:13:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every day and every minute of every day,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.82,0:13:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we're looking\Ncompletely in the wrong direction.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.02,0:13:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: I would agree with your premise.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.54,0:13:37.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you have --
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.71,0:13:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's start with the economic benefits.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.61,0:13:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you have 3.6 percent unemployment,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.74,0:13:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what does that mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.93,0:13:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means you need folks\Nin every industry,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.09,0:13:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's agriculture\Nor artificial intelligence.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.62,0:13:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why aren't we streamlining\Nlegal immigration?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.62,0:13:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should be able\Nto make this market based
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.22,0:13:55.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to have folks come in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.55,0:13:58.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be productive members of our society.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.34,0:14:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it comes to the drug issue\Nyou're talking about,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.32,0:14:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, it's in our ports of entry,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.99,0:14:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's also coming in to our shores.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.90,0:14:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Coast Guard is only able to action
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.06,0:14:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,25 percent of the known\Nintelligence they have
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.72,0:14:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on drugs coming into our country.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.11,0:14:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The metric that we should\Nbe measuring [is]
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.60,0:14:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are we seeing a decrease of deaths\Nfrom overdose from drugs overseas,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.65,0:14:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are we seeing a decrease\Nin illegal immigration?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.31,0:14:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not how many miles of fencing\Nthat we have ultimately built.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.86,0:14:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we have benefited
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.95,0:14:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the brain drain\Nof every other country
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.99,0:14:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the last couple of decades.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.52,0:14:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to see that continue,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.93,0:14:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want to see that continue\Nwith the hardworking drain.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.78,0:14:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I can sell you this:
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.98,0:14:46.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at last Congress, Pete Aguilar,\Na Democrat from California, and I
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.70,0:14:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a piece of legislation\Ncalled the USA Act:
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.16,0:14:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strong border security,\Nstreamline legal immigration,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.53,0:14:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fix DACA -- 1.2 million kids who have\Nonly known the United States of America
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.28,0:14:58.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as their home --
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.48,0:15:00.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these kids, or I should say\Nyoung men and women,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.75,0:15:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are already Americans,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.08,0:15:05.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's not have them go through\Nany more uncertainty
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.01,0:15:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make that ultimately happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.14,0:15:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had 245 people that were willing\Nto sign this bill into law,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.18,0:15:16.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it wasn't allowed to come forward\Nunder a Republican speaker,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.03,0:15:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also the current Democratic speaker\Nhasn't brought this bill
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.86,0:15:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through in something\Nthat we would be able to pass.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.56,0:15:24.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: So I want to close,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.21,0:15:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you are, perhaps, most famous --\NI don't know if that's fair --
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.09,0:15:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you took a road trip\Nwith Beto O'Rourke
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.41,0:15:34.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from your district to Washington, DC,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.09,0:15:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you've become known\Nfor reaching across the aisle
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.60,0:15:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and engaging in these\Nbipartisan conversations.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.85,0:15:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the things\NI've seen you say repeatedly
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.78,0:15:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to talk about how we are all united.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.18,0:15:49.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think, when we think\Nabout the language of immigration
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.20,0:15:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we start hearing words\Nabout enemies and militarization,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.48,0:15:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the real question is:\NHow do we convince all Americans
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.30,0:16:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to understand what you say\Nthat more unites us than divides us?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.27,0:16:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WH: Crisscrossing a district like mine\Nthat's truly 50-50 --
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.25,0:16:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,50 percent Democrat,\N50 percent Republican,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.28,0:16:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's been very clear to me\Nthat way more unites us than divides us.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.21,0:16:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we focus on those things\Nthat we agree on,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.55,0:16:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll all be better off.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.92,0:16:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm not going to get\Na perfect attendance award
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.85,0:16:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for going to church,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.06,0:16:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do remember when Jesus\Nwas in the Second Temple
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.30,0:16:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Pharisees asked him\Nwhat's the most important commandment,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.45,0:16:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he said to "Love thy Lord God\Nwith all your heart, mind and soul."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.84,0:16:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But people forget he also said,\N"Equally as important,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.82,0:16:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to love thy neighbor like thyself."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.95,0:16:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we remember that\Nand realize what it would mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.14,0:16:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what you would\Nhave to be going through
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.18,0:16:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be living in a situation
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.53,0:16:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you may send your child\Non a 3,000-mile perilous journey,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.52,0:16:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's what you think\Nthe only thing for their future,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.04,0:16:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the only thing that you can do\Nto make sure their future is bright,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.21,0:16:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we all remember that situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.32,0:17:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and think what we would do\Nin that situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.52,0:17:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we'd also be better off.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.90,0:17:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Thank you, Congressman.\NThank you so much for joining us tonight.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.40,0:17:09.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)